[03:02] <spiv> Meeting time?
[03:02] <spiv> Barry said he wasn't here, IIRC.
[03:03] <spiv> Did mwhudson volunteer last week to run the meeting, or am I imagining that? :)
[03:04] <barry> #startmeeting
[03:04] <MootBot> Meeting started at 21:06. The chair is barry.
[03:04] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[03:04] <thumper> hi barry
[03:04] <jml> barry: hi
[03:04] <barry> thumper: hi!
[03:04] <mwhudson> spiv: no, that's next week and the week after
[03:04] <barry> jml: hi!
[03:04] <spiv> mwhudson: ah.
[03:04] <spiv> Hi!
[03:04] <mwhudson> spiv: though i wasn't completely sure of this until barry arrived :)
[03:04] <barry> spiv: hi!
[03:04] <mwhudson> barry: hello
[03:05] <barry> welcome to this week's asiapacreviewersmeeting
[03:05] <spiv> mwhudson: that approximates "I'm imagining that" fairly well :)
[03:05] <barry> st00pid spacebar
[03:06] <barry> [TOPIC] agenda
[03:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda
[03:06] <barry> == Agenda ==
[03:06] <barry>  * Roll call
[03:06] <barry>  * Next meeting
[03:06] <barry>  * Action items
[03:06] <barry>  * Queue status
[03:06] <barry>  * Mentoring update
[03:06] <barry>  * Review process
[03:06] <barry> [TOPIC] next meeting
[03:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  next meeting
[03:06] <thumper> now += 1 week
[03:06] <barry> yep, with mwhudson chairing the next two
[03:07] <mwhudson> right
[03:07] <thumper> cool
[03:07] <barry> thanks!
[03:07] <barry> [TOPIC] action items
[03:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  action items
[03:07] <barry>  * mwhudson to start discussion on page test purpose
[03:07] <mwhudson> done
[03:08] <barry> mwhudson: yes, thanks for getting ball rolling!
[03:08] <barry>  * thumper to submit a bug for moving ftests contents to tests
[03:08] <mwhudson> not huge amounts of actual discussion yet, but no serious disagreements
[03:08] <thumper> completely forgot about that one
[03:08]  * barry still has to follow up on that thread
[03:08] <thumper> but ISTR someone else filed one
[03:08] <thumper> I have hundreds of unred emails right now
[03:09] <barry> thumper: i think so too
[03:09] <thumper> or even unread
[03:09] <barry> thumper: can you double check to make sure that's been filed?
[03:09] <thumper> sure
[03:09] <barry> thumper: thanks
[03:09] <barry>  * jml to find out how divmodders test their javascript
[03:10] <jml> same as last week. have talked with them but need to dig into code.
[03:10] <barry> jml: cool. let's just keep it on the agenda
[03:10] <barry> the rest of the action items are for ameus
[03:11] <jml> ok
[03:11] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Queue status
[03:11] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Queue status
[03:11]  * barry sucks for not being able to do on-call today
[03:11] <barry> there are three pink branches, but i know about the launchpadlib-integration branch
[03:12] <barry> and of course the neverending testsuite2 branch
[03:12] <barry> any comments on the queue from you guys?
[03:13]  * thumper is wrestling with firefox
[03:13] <jml> barry: what's the testsuite2 branch again?
[03:13] <mwhudson> hm, i approved  mpt/launchpad/2008-07-location-ff2 i think
[03:13] <barry> jml: i don't exactly remember but every time i try to kill it, jamesh or stub says "no"
[03:14] <mwhudson> didn't realise it was on PendingReviews
[03:14] <barry> maybe i should ping them again on it
[03:14] <jml> *nod*
[03:14] <barry> [ACTION] barry to ping jamesh and stub on the testsuite2 branch
[03:14] <MootBot> ACTION received:  barry to ping jamesh and stub on the testsuite2 branch
[03:15] <jml> barry: get one of them to write a cover letter.
[03:15] <barry> [TOPIC] mentoring updates
[03:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  mentoring updates
[03:15] <barry> jml: or move it to wip
[03:15] <jml> barry: or both :)
[03:16] <barry> jml: good idea
[03:16] <jml> barry: the advantage of a cover letter is we'll know what it is.
[03:16] <barry> yeah!
[03:16]  * barry has nothing on mentoring
[03:17] <mwhudson> who is being mentored currently?
[03:17] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Review process
[03:17] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Review process
[03:17] <barry> mwhudson: i think it's edwin cprov
[03:17] <mwhudson> and aaron?
[03:18] <barry> mwhudson: yep, though he hasn't started yet.  i plan on talking with him tomorrow
[03:18] <mwhudson> ok
[03:19]  * barry has nothing on the review process
[03:19] <barry> anything else from you guys?  anything you want me to ask/communicate to the ameus?
[03:19] <mwhudson> hmm, https://launchpad.canonical.com/PreMergeReviews#head-2dd754eaa80be7573433fe3e30b217789644c607 seems rather spectacularly out of date
[03:20] <jml> barry: nothing from me.
[03:20] <barry> [ACTION] barry to update PreMergeReviews
[03:20] <MootBot> ACTION received:  barry to update PreMergeReviews
[03:20] <barry> mwhudson: phew , yes!
[03:20] <mwhudson> most of stacking landed in bzr yesterday/last night
[03:20] <barry> yay!
[03:20] <thumper> \o/
[03:20] <mwhudson> so that's one stop closer to dogfooding launchpad
[03:20] <jml> yeah.
[03:21] <barry> mwhudson: that will rock
[03:21] <barry> mwhudson: is there anything clients have to be aware of when we switch to stacking?
[03:21]  * jml smiles
[03:21] <barry> mwhudson: or do we just change our urls? :)
[03:21] <jml> barry: you'll need to be using a client bzr that supports stacking
[03:22] <thumper> barry: it should be pretty transparent as a client
[03:22] <barry> jml: 1.6?
[03:22] <mwhudson> but hopefully, bzr 1.6 and some locations.conf changes and that's it
[03:22] <jml> barry: then Launchpad will tell the client how to stack
[03:22] <barry> are there any weird interactions between stacking and looms?
[03:23] <jml> not that I'm aware of. haven't rigorously tested that angle though
[03:23] <thumper> I'm not sure about stacked looms right now
[03:23] <barry> many of us are quite addicted to looms
[03:24] <spiv> I wouldn't expect any great surprises there.
[03:24] <jml> barry: yeah, I use looms a lot
[03:24] <jml> barry: but "addicted" is a pretty strong word.
[03:24] <spiv> They operate at different layers.
[03:24] <mwhudson> even if noone quite understands what 'record' does :)
[03:25] <mwhudson> spiv: but looms define a new branch format... doesn't it inherit from branch6?
[03:25] <mwhudson> looks like the plugin will need updating a bit
[03:26] <barry> [ALIASES] jfdi = record
[03:26] <jml> surely you mean: jfdi = record ''
[03:26] <jml> you have to specify a message :)
[03:26] <barry> jml: :-D
[03:26] <mwhudson> mine is usually 'whut'
[03:26] <jml> so, I'm about to take a train ride
[03:27]  * barry hearts trains
[03:27] <jml> on this train ride I will be either testing stacking or patching bzr-loom to fix record
[03:27] <barry> jml: when you say "fix record" do you mean "get rid of the onion in the varnish"?
[03:28] <jml> barry: I mean start making tweaks along the lines of discussions I've had with lifeless
[03:28] <jml> barry: I don't understand record, but I assume lifeless does :)
[03:28] <spiv> barry: that's a phrase I haven't heard before...
[03:28] <barry> jml: if lifeless doesn't understand record, then nobody does :)
[03:28] <jml> barry: things like a log of recordings, commit-style editing, a status indicator showing that you need to record
[03:29] <barry> spiv: jim fulton used to tell this story regarding zope3. not easy to relate in irc ;)
[03:29] <spiv> I understand the intent of record, I think.
[03:29] <spiv> I'm not sure how far apart the implementation and the intent are.
[03:29] <jml> I understand the intent
[03:29] <jml> I'm just not yet convinced it's a good idea.
[03:30] <barry> spiv: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?OnionInTheVarnish
[03:30] <spiv> barry: ta
[03:30] <mwhudson> aaaaaaaaaaaanyway
[03:30] <barry> yes.  that's all i have
[03:30] <barry> #endmeeting
[03:30] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 21:32.
[03:31] <barry> thanks everyone.  have a good few weeks
[03:31] <mwhudson> you too
[03:31] <mwhudson> plz fix the test suite in montreal
[03:31] <mwhudson> :
[03:31] <mwhudson> :)
[03:31] <barry> mwhudson: oh yes
[03:31] <barry> see ya