[20:36] <newz2000> mdke said to go ahead and have the meeting without him, so I guess we'll schedule a meeting for very soon.
[20:42] <vbabiy> newz2000: any Idea when yet? I would like to make it
[20:43] <newz2000> no, Vorlon is keeping a list of timezones. I may ask him if he pops online soon
[20:44] <vbabiy> newz2000: cool.
[20:44] <vbabiy> hows everything been going?
[20:45] <newz2000> good here...
[20:45] <newz2000> how about you?
[20:46] <vbabiy> same, I am planning on getting a rough draft of the feature tour together today
[20:46] <newz2000> cool
[20:46] <newz2000> I like what you did, also that mockup that came as a reply
[20:47] <vbabiy> newz2000: do we have the src for the current tour
[20:47] <newz2000> kind of... it's just a bunch of html pages
[20:48] <newz2000> this was done by an outside contractor or agency and I'm not sure what tool they used
[20:48] <newz2000> some pages are msdos formatted, some are unix formatted
[20:52] <vbabiy> newz2000: O really, well then forget it I can recreate the screen pretty quick
[20:53] <vbabiy> Also if we used a Dell screen, would that be willing to pay for the ad :)
[20:53] <newz2000> :-)
[20:53] <vbabiy> that would be kinda of cool
[20:54] <newz2000> I'd say try to not use anything that looks distinctly like a specific brand
[20:55] <newz2000> Ubuntu is getting big enough that it's attracting many hardware vendors and it would be a shame to scare any awy
[20:57] <vbabiy> newz2000: this is very true, didn't even think of that
[20:58] <newz2000> not as many people know this, but Sun has down a lot of work to certify their servers for Ubuntu (cf www.ubuntu.com/sun ) and additionally have an
[20:58] <newz2000> awesome library of stock images I could use
[20:58] <newz2000> but the problem is their servers look so distinctive that if I used their images it'd be like plastering a big sun ad on the site.
[21:29] <vbabiy> yeah
[22:24] <hubuntu> hi newz2000:
[22:25] <hubuntu> have you made some changes to the template for the shipit.ubuntu.com site?
[22:25] <newz2000> hey hubuntu
[22:25] <newz2000> not for shipit perse, but I"ve got a slightly updated version of it for another project
[22:25] <hubuntu> is that something that may go into production for ubuntu sites?
[22:26] <hubuntu> We are defining the layout template for spreadubuntu and it would be nice to work on the right template or global idea at least
[22:27] <newz2000> hubuntu: let me give you what I have... I'm not going to guarantee that it won't evolve, but it's the best I have now
[22:27] <hubuntu> that sound good enough for us
[22:30] <newz2000> hubuntu: you'll have to remove the shipit stuff in there
[22:30] <newz2000> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mnuzum/projects/ubuntu08.zip
[22:31] <newz2000> do you want the svg image for creating the header graphic?
[22:32] <pep> Hi
[22:32] <newz2000> hi pep!
[22:32] <hubuntu> newz2000: If we use that template do we have to keep the Canonical copyright note as it is or can we change it to include the Marketing Team, for instance?
[22:33] <newz2000> no, please change it as a matter of fact
[22:33] <pep> I suppose hubuntu showed the spreadubuntu mock-up...
[22:33] <pep> :)
[22:33] <newz2000> no
[22:33]  * newz2000 would love to see it
[22:33] <pep> http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/1834/mockup6bismn7.png I quickly gimp'ed this this afternoon
[22:34] <pep> using bits of screenshots uf ubuntu.com
[22:34] <newz2000> so I made some decissions for ubuntu.com that may not apply to you...
[22:34] <pep> but hubuntu made me notice the lower end taht is nicely rounded on https://shipit.ubuntu.com/, so I'll add that...
[22:35] <newz2000> here's my layout guide for ubuntu.com: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mnuzum/projects/ubuntu-layout-guide.png
[22:35] <pep> thank you
[22:35] <hubuntu> yes newz2000 the svg would be nice to have
[22:35] <newz2000> so the html template I just gave him confirms to those dimensions
[22:35] <hubuntu> thank you very much newz2000 :)
[22:35] <newz2000> also, here is my layout helper I gave to the design agency who did some of our graphics (that still didn't get it right)
[22:35] <newz2000> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mnuzum/projects/layout-guide-helper.png
[22:36] <newz2000> this last image shows you should measure the image width from the perceived edge of the image, not the actual edge
[22:36] <newz2000> so your header could be bigger than 852... if it has a 3px drop shadow on both sides it might be 852 + 3px + 3px
[22:37] <pep> newz2000: oh well this is just a draft, nothing concrete, so I'll mix something in-line with the rest of the ubntu sites.... but you must know that we serve a very precise purpose... much like an ftp browser... this was the first mock-up: http://dicidailleurs.houbsi.org/uploads/file/mockup.png
[22:37] <newz2000> no prob. Feel free to deviate, I'm just explaining why things are they way they are
[22:37] <hubuntu> is the javascript thing possible in this version newz2000?
[22:37] <hubuntu> have you found a solution to the hardcoded menu?
[22:38] <newz2000> hubuntu: I think my solution will be to not have drop down menus
[22:38] <newz2000> I'd say plan for that
[22:38] <hubuntu> sound very unweb2ish, but good enough after knowing the background story
[22:38] <pep> hubuntu: why'd we need drop-down menus anyway?
[22:39] <hubuntu> see ubuntu.com
[22:39] <hubuntu> not that we need them, but it's sort of cool
[22:39] <hubuntu> I dropped them out in ubuntu.ec
[22:39] <pep> Oh, yes of course... well it depends which links we decide to put in the top-right hand corner...
[22:39] <hubuntu> too much work, too little time, no access to ftp
[22:39] <newz2000> hubuntu: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mnuzum/projects/header.svg
[22:40] <newz2000> best viewed in inkscape
[22:42] <hubuntu> thank you. I will download everything here and upload it in my slicehost pep
[22:43] <pep> hubuntu: I got it here too
[22:43] <hubuntu> good
[22:46] <pep> newz2000: As you probably saw on the mockup, I'd like to use the same clipper-type box for the content of the site, like here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download can I re-use the same code?
[22:47] <newz2000> of course, you may also want to do a quick google for "sliding doors"
[22:48] <newz2000> there's an article on 'a list apart' about that technique for tabs
[22:48] <pep> thanks for the info
[22:48] <pep> by the way
[22:48] <newz2000> try "sliding doors css"
[22:48] <pep> I noticed that it works well whilst on the download tab, but when you click on "buy ubuntu on cd", the other tabs are not shaded....
[22:48] <newz2000> the tabs can be far better than that link. The design agency who did our theme did that withoutout thought about how it would actually be implemented in html (imho)
[22:48] <pep> just a detail
[22:49] <newz2000> yes, correct
[22:49] <newz2000> I just set the opacity down on non active tabs, which is a hack
[22:49] <pep> Well, I wanted to keep it in-line with ubuntu.com, so I'll probably use the same design, correcting that shading bug of course
[22:49] <pep> ok, I wrote it down.
[23:37] <pep> thanks for your help newz2000!
[23:37] <pep> good night