[20:36] mdke said to go ahead and have the meeting without him, so I guess we'll schedule a meeting for very soon. [20:42] newz2000: any Idea when yet? I would like to make it [20:43] no, Vorlon is keeping a list of timezones. I may ask him if he pops online soon [20:44] newz2000: cool. [20:44] hows everything been going? [20:45] good here... [20:45] how about you? [20:46] same, I am planning on getting a rough draft of the feature tour together today [20:46] cool [20:46] I like what you did, also that mockup that came as a reply [20:47] newz2000: do we have the src for the current tour [20:47] kind of... it's just a bunch of html pages [20:48] this was done by an outside contractor or agency and I'm not sure what tool they used [20:48] some pages are msdos formatted, some are unix formatted [20:52] newz2000: O really, well then forget it I can recreate the screen pretty quick [20:53] Also if we used a Dell screen, would that be willing to pay for the ad :) [20:53] :-) [20:53] that would be kinda of cool [20:54] I'd say try to not use anything that looks distinctly like a specific brand [20:55] Ubuntu is getting big enough that it's attracting many hardware vendors and it would be a shame to scare any awy [20:57] newz2000: this is very true, didn't even think of that [20:58] not as many people know this, but Sun has down a lot of work to certify their servers for Ubuntu (cf www.ubuntu.com/sun ) and additionally have an [20:58] awesome library of stock images I could use [20:58] but the problem is their servers look so distinctive that if I used their images it'd be like plastering a big sun ad on the site. [21:29] yeah [22:24] hi newz2000: [22:25] have you made some changes to the template for the shipit.ubuntu.com site? [22:25] hey hubuntu [22:25] not for shipit perse, but I"ve got a slightly updated version of it for another project [22:25] is that something that may go into production for ubuntu sites? [22:26] We are defining the layout template for spreadubuntu and it would be nice to work on the right template or global idea at least [22:27] hubuntu: let me give you what I have... I'm not going to guarantee that it won't evolve, but it's the best I have now [22:27] that sound good enough for us [22:30] hubuntu: you'll have to remove the shipit stuff in there [22:30] http://people.ubuntu.com/~mnuzum/projects/ubuntu08.zip [22:31] do you want the svg image for creating the header graphic? [22:32] Hi [22:32] hi pep! [22:32] newz2000: If we use that template do we have to keep the Canonical copyright note as it is or can we change it to include the Marketing Team, for instance? [22:33] no, please change it as a matter of fact [22:33] I suppose hubuntu showed the spreadubuntu mock-up... [22:33] :) [22:33] no [22:33] * newz2000 would love to see it [22:33] http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/1834/mockup6bismn7.png I quickly gimp'ed this this afternoon [22:34] using bits of screenshots uf ubuntu.com [22:34] so I made some decissions for ubuntu.com that may not apply to you... [22:34] but hubuntu made me notice the lower end taht is nicely rounded on https://shipit.ubuntu.com/, so I'll add that... [22:35] here's my layout guide for ubuntu.com: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mnuzum/projects/ubuntu-layout-guide.png [22:35] thank you [22:35] yes newz2000 the svg would be nice to have [22:35] so the html template I just gave him confirms to those dimensions [22:35] thank you very much newz2000 :) [22:35] also, here is my layout helper I gave to the design agency who did some of our graphics (that still didn't get it right) [22:35] http://people.ubuntu.com/~mnuzum/projects/layout-guide-helper.png [22:36] this last image shows you should measure the image width from the perceived edge of the image, not the actual edge [22:36] so your header could be bigger than 852... if it has a 3px drop shadow on both sides it might be 852 + 3px + 3px [22:37] newz2000: oh well this is just a draft, nothing concrete, so I'll mix something in-line with the rest of the ubntu sites.... but you must know that we serve a very precise purpose... much like an ftp browser... this was the first mock-up: http://dicidailleurs.houbsi.org/uploads/file/mockup.png [22:37] no prob. Feel free to deviate, I'm just explaining why things are they way they are [22:37] is the javascript thing possible in this version newz2000? [22:37] have you found a solution to the hardcoded menu? [22:38] hubuntu: I think my solution will be to not have drop down menus [22:38] I'd say plan for that [22:38] sound very unweb2ish, but good enough after knowing the background story [22:38] hubuntu: why'd we need drop-down menus anyway? [22:39] see ubuntu.com [22:39] not that we need them, but it's sort of cool [22:39] I dropped them out in ubuntu.ec [22:39] Oh, yes of course... well it depends which links we decide to put in the top-right hand corner... [22:39] too much work, too little time, no access to ftp [22:39] hubuntu: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mnuzum/projects/header.svg [22:40] best viewed in inkscape [22:42] thank you. I will download everything here and upload it in my slicehost pep [22:43] hubuntu: I got it here too [22:43] good [22:46] newz2000: As you probably saw on the mockup, I'd like to use the same clipper-type box for the content of the site, like here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download can I re-use the same code? [22:47] of course, you may also want to do a quick google for "sliding doors" [22:48] there's an article on 'a list apart' about that technique for tabs [22:48] thanks for the info [22:48] by the way [22:48] try "sliding doors css" [22:48] I noticed that it works well whilst on the download tab, but when you click on "buy ubuntu on cd", the other tabs are not shaded.... [22:48] the tabs can be far better than that link. The design agency who did our theme did that withoutout thought about how it would actually be implemented in html (imho) [22:48] just a detail [22:49] yes, correct [22:49] I just set the opacity down on non active tabs, which is a hack [22:49] Well, I wanted to keep it in-line with ubuntu.com, so I'll probably use the same design, correcting that shading bug of course [22:49] ok, I wrote it down. [23:37] thanks for your help newz2000! [23:37] good night