[03:02] <resproblem> hello...i'm on xubuntu 8 and my resolution is stuck at 800x600; whenever i try the "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" command, no video settings pop up like every online forums says
[03:02] <resproblem> anyone know whats wrong with my reconfigure thing?
[03:36] <LetsGo67> How do I share songs from Xubuntu to a Vista PC?
[03:39] <LetsGo67> Anyone?
[04:01] <fourChan> is it possible to install a clean version of ubuntu? without any software?
[04:01] <fourChan> is it possible to install a clean version of ubuntu? without any software?
[06:37] <CostaRicanQuaker> i have kubuntu ubuntu and xubuntu isntalled
[06:38] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i get the bar to be on the bottom,
[06:38] <CostaRicanQuaker> the taskbar with the menu
[06:38] <CostaRicanQuaker> and how do i get the maclike bubbly menu
[06:38] <CostaRicanQuaker> brb gotta reboot
[07:32] <fretlessdavis> hey, wine left a bunch of unused icons from old programs in my applications list under 'other'; how can I get rid of them since I can't access that from the menu manager?
[07:36] <fretlessdavis> anyone? sorry... I'm a total newbie
[07:51] <zoredache> fretlessdavis: what was your question?
[07:55] <fretlessdavis> wine left a bunch of stuff in an other directory
[07:55] <fretlessdavis> stuff that's not on my system
[07:55] <fretlessdavis> how do I gt rid of it?
[07:56] <fretlessdavis> applications> othr
[07:56] <fretlessdavis> other*
[07:56] <zoredache> just drag it to the trash?
[07:56] <fretlessdavis> can't get rid of it in menu settings
[07:56] <zoredache> oh, in the menu....
[07:57] <RyanVanDiemen> the best thing is to edit the menu and leave the tick box empty next to it
[07:57] <RyanVanDiemen> that`s the cleanest solution i guess
[07:58] <fretlessdavis> I can't get to that directory in the menu settings... that's where I'm having trouble
[07:59] <zoredache> http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/07/12/manually-edit-the-xfce-menu/
[08:00] <zoredache> http://xfce.wikia.com/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Questions#How_to_edit_the_auto_generated_menu_with_the_menu_editor.3F
[08:01] <zoredache> those two articles look like they might address what you want
[08:01] <fretlessdavis> thanks zoredache
[08:02] <zoredache> but anyway I believe you can't edit it because some of the menu is generated based on the .desktop files
[08:04] <zoredache> you would find those in /usr/share/applications.  You might want to take a quick peak in that folder to see if it has any files that match what you are trying to remove
[08:05] <CCCn> hi why im unable to create any kind of docs?
[08:06] <zoredache> CCCn: perhaps you are looking for the wrong thing... Maybe you are looking for what xfce calls a 'panel'
[08:07] <fretlessdavis> zoredache: they're there, but I can't delete them from the browser
[08:07] <fretlessdavis> will I be able to at the terminal?
[08:07] <zoredache> fretlessdavis: from the terminal you will be able to delete if you do it with sudo
[08:08] <fretlessdavis> k thanks
[08:08] <fretlessdavis> what's the command for delete?
[08:08] <fretlessdavis> I just recently switched to linux
[08:08] <zoredache> you could also do a 'gksu thunar' to start up a root file browser
[08:08] <fretlessdavis> still have dos commands in my head :-/
[08:08] <zoredache> fretlessdavis: the delete command is 'rm filename'
[08:08] <fretlessdavis> 'k
[08:10] <fretlessdavis> thanks for the root access in thunar command
[08:10] <fretlessdavis> I got it
[08:10] <CCCn> im in root's group already......zooredache....i do the same at the terminal but it cant be saved or closed (it close by term only)
[08:11] <zoredache> CCCn: what?
[08:11] <CCCn> create a doc...i mean
[08:12] <zoredache> what do you mean when you say 'doc'?
[08:13] <zoredache> are you talking about something like the thing at the bottem of the screen in OSX or are you talking about a MSWord compatible file
[08:13] <CCCn> i can create it in terminal (DOCument) but it still cant be saved
[08:13] <fretlessdavis> hmmm. they're not in that folder.  I'll take a look at those links and ask at #winehq since wine did it
[08:13] <fretlessdavis> thanks!
[08:15] <CCCn> im talkin bout linux .conf file (4 example)
[08:15] <CCCn> in terminal im usin somthing like that ^O^S
[08:17] <CCCn> oh man tell me that im loser & i go away...
[08:17] <CCCn> :-)
[08:18] <zoredache> you aren't a loser....
[08:18] <CCCn> ok thx
[08:18] <zoredache> what program are you trying to use to edit the file?
[08:18] <CCCn> first it was terminal
[08:19] <zoredache> if you want to edit something outside of your home directory in a terminal a command like 'gksu nano /etc/filename' would be what you want
[08:20] <zoredache> if you want a gui you could simply do an 'alt-f2' and run 'gksu mousepad'
[08:21] <CCCn> ok stop and big thankz ill try it after ok!!! thx zore
[09:25] <fretlessdavis> I accidentily deleted my last panel
[09:25] <fretlessdavis> how can I get it back?
[09:29] <fretlessdavis> anyone?
[09:34] <fretlessdavis_> anyone know how to get panels back? I accidentily deleted the only one I had
[09:40] <fretlessdavis> anyone, I'm afraid to do anything until I can fix it
[10:44] <RyanVanDiemen> hi guys
[10:44] <RyanVanDiemen> does anybody know how do I change bootsplash in xubuntu?
[10:47] <RyanVanDiemen> I installed xubuntu-desktop on top of my gnome-ubuntu installation and would like to change my bootsplash into xubuntu one without re-installing the system
[10:48] <piju> RyanVanDiemen, install startupmanager
[10:49] <RyanVanDiemen> you can modify these settings there?
[10:50] <piju> RyanVanDiemen, install startupmanager
[10:50] <piju> RyanVanDiemen, install startupmanager
[10:50] <piju> RyanVanDiemen, install startupmanager
[10:50] <RyanVanDiemen> ok, I`ll check that, thank you
[10:51] <piju> np
[10:51] <RyanVanDiemen> I found on their page that you can even edit GRUB with startupmanager, but I use qgrubeditor for GRUB editing, will they not collide or something?
[11:07] <matteo_> Hi, anyone know how i can edit the xfce menu in Xubuntu 8.04??
[11:14] <Rev_> hello ppl
[11:30] <CCCn> hello and i wonna know it again :-) there is an option in the shell "Create a document" but it is half-deleted...than theres a question - it is normal?
[11:31] <charlie-tca> I'm running Gutsy 7.10, and don't think I have that.
[11:32] <CCCn> u mean ur not sure about this option?
[11:32] <charlie-tca> yes
[11:33] <charlie-tca> In 7.10, I have create from template and it allows creating documents in mousepad
[11:35] <CCCn> yea...i do too...but i just wonder why its been halfdeleted... i mean green
[11:35] <Alecmg> matteo_: thats a common question
[11:35] <Alecmg> there are some quides
[11:35] <Alecmg> but overall editing xfce menu is a pain
[11:36] <CCCn> shell in xfce = pain?
[11:37] <Alecmg> shell is a shell
[11:37] <CCCn> i just cant get it clear...in windows or mac i can create anythin from shell...
[11:39] <CCCn> mousepad works, terminal - normal, and shell still keep silence
[11:39] <CCCn> w h y
[11:39] <CCCn> thats question...
[11:41] <CCCn> silence everywere
[11:44] <CCCn> could somes guides help me with enabling root rights in xubuntu permanently?
[11:45] <CCCn> any guides?
[11:46] <CCCn> im selfmadechatin'shit'lol :-)
[12:52] <Kardoso> hi all
[12:53] <charlie-tca> Kardoso: hello
[12:54] <Kardoso> Can I run Xubuntu from a slow PC: 64 MB RAM, Pentium 2 processor ?
[12:54] <charlie-tca> I don't think 64 MB is enough. I do run version 6.06 on 192 MB, though
[12:55] <Kardoso> Ok. That is an extra-slow PC, I think, thats running Windows 98.. very very slow
[12:56] <Kardoso> charlie-tca: thanks
[12:56] <charlie-tca> I believe it. I have a PII and PIII
[12:56] <charlie-tca> :)
[12:56] <RyanVanDiemen> hi kardoso, minimum is 192 MB unfortunately
[12:56] <KammyDoe> Why cant I find ndiswrapper-source in the package lists?
[12:56] <Kardoso> My home computer is Pentium 4 Dual core, Ubuntu runs great on it.
[12:57] <Kardoso> hi RyanVanDiemen, ok, thanks
[12:57] <RyanVanDiemen> np I run it on 1GB, works well :)
[12:57] <Kardoso> me too :) i speaked about a school computer
[12:58] <KammyDoe> :|
[12:58] <charlie-tca> I got it working on a PIII with 256MB, slow but adequate
[12:58] <KammyDoe> :(
[12:58]  * KammyDoe needs help
[12:58] <Kardoso> I'm running Ubuntu (from home) on Pentium IIII with 1 GB RAM
[12:58] <charlie-tca> KammyDoe: what is it you need help with?
[12:58] <KammyDoe> I need help with a Dell to get ndiswrapper running with Xubuntu
[12:58] <KammyDoe> using* Xubuntu
[12:59] <Kardoso> Charlie-tca: If I need to use that computer (the 64 MB's) I cant wait for the end, because that is too slow :(
[12:59] <charlie-tca> Sorry, I haven't used ndiswrapper in 2 years.
[12:59] <charlie-tca> Kardoso: I hear you. Maybe upgrade the memory?
[13:00] <Kardoso> Thanks. I would to do it, but I cant, because that is a school computer
[13:00] <charlie-tca> :(
[13:00] <Kardoso> But, anyway, I will should it to the Director
[13:00] <Kardoso> :(
[13:00] <Kardoso> at tomorrow
[13:03] <Kardoso> Where can I view how many RAM?
[13:03] <MrNaz> is there an ftp client for ubuntu that isnt totally crappy?
[13:04] <charlie-tca> Kardoso: is that required to run Xubuntu RAM?
[13:05] <MrNaz> xubuntu was designed specifically to be lighter on memory and cpu
[13:05] <MrNaz> all the built in apps are lightweight
[13:05] <Kardoso> I want to check how many RAM in the PCs.
[13:05] <MrNaz> Kardoso when you boot up it'll tell you
[13:05] <Kardoso> ok
[13:06] <Kardoso> MrNaz and Charlie-tca I try it now. I'll come back soon
[13:06] <MrNaz> Kardoso you can also type this:     cat /proc/meminfo
[13:06] <charlie-tca> MrNaz: I use gftp, but I hear ProFTP is good
[13:06] <Kardoso_> MrNaz: ok, thanks
[13:06] <MrNaz> gftp is pathetic....
[13:06] <Kardoso_> MrNaz: to Terminal?
[13:06] <charlie-tca> depends on your use...
[13:07] <MrNaz> Kardoso_ yes
[13:07] <Kardoso_> MrNaz, thanks
[13:07] <vonhalenbach> hi
[13:07] <MrNaz> charlie-tca you cant select multiple files in the que for que management, you cant transfer single files on some servers, its SSH2 file handling is buggy...
[13:07] <MrNaz> it really is a poor piece of software
[13:07] <Kardoso_> I'll try it now. I'll come back soon
[13:08] <vonhalenbach> is it already possible to mount a usb-memorystick with xubuntu?
[13:08] <charlie-tca> vonhalenbach: yes
[13:08] <MrNaz> vonhalenbach it should be plug and play
[13:08] <vonhalenbach> oh cool
[13:09] <vonhalenbach> Which version do you use?
[13:09] <MrNaz> hardy
[13:09] <Kardoso> Ok, I did
[13:09] <vonhalenbach> hm
[13:09] <Kardoso> Here is the the detalies:
[13:09] <vonhalenbach> I just tried hardy with many different sticks. It failed.
[13:10] <charlie-tca> vonhalenbach: Are you using Hardy?
[13:10] <vonhalenbach> at the moment i use feisty. Hardy is on my other computer.
[13:10] <Kardoso> 1.PC: 64 MB RAM 2.: 64 MB RAM 3.: 128 MB 4.: 256 MB 5.: 128
[13:11] <Kardoso> Can I run Xubuntu on 4. PC?
[13:11] <charlie-tca> vonhalenbach: i don't remember feisty having that ability. You can try mounting it in /media
[13:11] <vonhalenbach> okay
[13:11] <Kardoso> Theese PCs has PentiumIII
[13:12] <charlie-tca> Hardy is different. Some sticks will mount, but they show up in /media instead of the desktop now
[13:12] <vonhalenbach> Did you really try a memory stick with your computer? charlie-tca
[13:13] <charlie-tca> Not in Hardy, but in Gutsy and 6.06
[13:13] <vonhalenbach> dmesg says something about a dead device.
[13:13] <vonhalenbach> lol
[13:13] <charlie-tca> Are you running in a virtual machine?
[13:14] <vonhalenbach> then you should try a bit newer version.
[13:14] <Kardoso> Charlie-tca and MrNaz: Can I run Xubuntu from the 4th PC? (256 MB RAM, Pentium III)
[13:14] <charlie-tca> Kardoso: Yes, you should even be able to use the live CD, I think.
[13:14] <Kardoso> Charlie-tca: Thanks.
[13:15] <charlie-tca> I'm looking up the requirement, to make sure
[13:16] <charlie-tca> Kardoso: verified it. You should be able to run the live CD and install if you want
[13:16] <Kardoso> ok, thx
[13:16] <vonhalenbach> Kardoso: Yes, you need just a bit more than 128 MB for Xubuntu. But for the lifecd it needs more than 256MB. Try the alternate CD.
[13:16] <charlie-tca> good luck
[13:17] <Kardoso> thx, i try now... :)
[13:17] <Kardoso> Can I run Xubuntu from our another computer (1 GB RAM, Intel Celeron) ?
[13:18] <vonhalenbach> sure!
[13:18] <Kardoso> cool, thanks
[13:18] <Kardoso> I try that too
[13:18] <Kardoso> I come back soon.
[13:18] <vonhalenbach> okay
[13:20] <vonhalenbach> cody-somerville: hi
[13:20] <cody-somerville> hi :]
[13:20] <vonhalenbach> do you by chance have a usb-memorystick?
[13:21] <vonhalenbach> which version do you run? Hardy ?
[13:21] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: what time is the Community council?
[13:21] <Kardoso> Ok, I'm here.
[13:22] <Kardoso> So. Xubuntu started on the 256 MB's PC. It was little slow while it started, but now runs good.
[13:22] <Kardoso> Runs great on 1 GB RAM + Celeron
[13:23] <vonhalenbach> did you install, or do you use the livecd?
[13:23] <Kardoso> live CD
[13:23] <vonhalenbach> oh wow.
[13:23] <charlie-tca> Kardoso: good to hear that
[13:23] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, It should be already happening :(
[13:23] <charlie-tca> That's what I thought, but the council never showed up
[13:23] <Kardoso> Charlie-tca: thanks, best to see it :)
[13:24] <Kardoso> I will install it now
[13:24] <Kardoso> Xubuntu is great, I will install it now
[13:24] <Kardoso> How many free space need for it?
[13:25] <charlie-tca> 1.5 GB
[13:25] <Kardoso> ok
[13:25] <vonhalenbach> under 2 GB
[13:25] <Kardoso> Can it be on a file like as Ubuntu Hardy heron?
[13:25] <charlie-tca> If you can, though, try to give it about 3 GB, at least
[13:25] <Kardoso> Or do I need another partition?
[13:26] <vonhalenbach> You want to run it as a file from windows?
[13:26] <Kardoso> yes
[13:26] <Kardoso> yes, I want
[13:26] <Kardoso> Can i?
[13:26] <vonhalenbach> i don't know, if this is already implemented in Xubuntu.
[13:27] <Kardoso> ok, I will check it soon.
[13:27] <vonhalenbach> Which windows do you have?
[13:27] <Kardoso> Windows XP on the another computer
[13:27] <Kardoso> on my computer Windows Vista
[13:27] <Kardoso> and Ubuntu
[13:27] <vonhalenbach> okay.
[13:28] <Kardoso> i want to install Xubuntu for a file in Windows XP
[13:28] <vonhalenbach> You could do that with ubuntu.
[13:28] <Kardoso> ok
[13:29] <Kardoso> Can I use the wireless (SMCWUSB) netcard in Xubuntu?
[13:29] <vonhalenbach> It should be possible.
[13:29] <Kardoso> Ok thanks
[13:30] <vonhalenbach> You have to enable and configure it in the network manager.
[13:30] <Kardoso> Ok. I tried it under Ubuntu, it detected automatically
[13:30] <vonhalenbach> great!
[13:30] <Kardoso> Will Xubuntu detect it too?
[13:31] <vonhalenbach> then it should be able to detect it too.
[13:31] <Kardoso> Ok, thanks
[13:32] <Kardoso> I just choosed the network and its worked! :) In Windows, it NEVER worked.. Ubuntu and Xubuntu are great
[13:32] <vonhalenbach> It is getting better.
[13:32] <Kardoso> Wow! Im tested, and I confirm its work
[13:32] <Kardoso> Xubuntu detected it too
[13:32] <vonhalenbach> okay. cewl
[13:33] <Kardoso> Can Xubuntu detect the Mobile HDDs? (Samsung 320GB SATA HDD)
[13:33] <vonhalenbach> sure
[13:33] <Kardoso> on USB interface
[13:33] <Kardoso> great! thanks
[13:34] <Kardoso> Ok. I'll now logoff, and install Xubuntu. I think it will work great. Thank you all for the help.
[13:35] <vonhalenbach> no problem.
[13:35] <Kardoso> Have a very nice day, good bye
[13:35] <vonhalenbach> you too.
[14:24] <RyanVanDiemen> guys, anybody has some experience playing freeorion ?
[14:25] <RyanVanDiemen> I heard it`s still in development phase, so i`m just curious if it`s playable...
[16:50] <Kardoso> hi all
[17:10] <charlie-tca> hi
[17:10] <charlie-tca> Did the install go well?
[17:12] <Kardoso> Charlie-tca: Yes, it did:)
[17:12] <Kardoso> thanks
[17:13] <Kardoso> Now, its working great
[17:13] <charlie-tca> Terrific. It's great when things work. :)
[17:14] <Kardoso> Thanks. I shoulded to my buddy too. I installed for him too, he think its great too :)
[17:14] <charlie-tca> Woo ee
[17:17] <Kardoso> His computer: 256 MB RAM (-8 MB for videocard), Pentium II. He said the Windows is very slow on his computer. When he saw Xubuntu he was very happy :)
[17:19] <charlie-tca> I know that feeling.
[17:20] <Kardoso> :)
[17:22] <Kardoso> Can I install languange packs for an installed Xubuntu?
[17:23] <charlie-tca> i think so, but I have never done it.
[17:24] <Kardoso> Where? From Synaptics?
[17:24] <TheSheep> Kardoso: sure, system->language support
[17:24] <Kardoso> TheSheep: Great! thanks
[17:24] <Kardoso> Is Hungarian language pack avaible for Xubuntu?
[17:25] <TheSheep> should be there on the list, in the worst case it will be incomplete and some apps will be still in English
[17:25] <TheSheep> in that case you can help translating
[17:25] <TheSheep> !rosetta
[17:26] <Kardoso> Ok. So I can translate?
[17:26] <Kardoso> Ok, thanks for the link I check it
[17:29] <TheSheep> Kardoso: it's actually https://translations.launchpad.net/
[17:29] <Kardoso> TheShepp: ok. Do I need register to translate?
[17:29] <TheSheep> I guess so
[17:30] <Kardoso> Ok. I can help translate between English and Hungarian
[17:30] <TheSheep> but then you can use that login also to report bugs and such
[17:30] <Kardoso> ok
[17:34] <Kardoso> Can I use MSN in Xubuntu? If yes, with which software?
[17:35] <TheSheep> Kardoso: pidgin, the default messenger, should be able to connect to the msn network
[17:35] <Kardoso> TheSheep: Ok. Does Pidgin support the MSN's webcam and audio chat?
[17:35] <TheSheep> no
[17:36] <TheSheep> it'll take some time before they manage to reverse-engineer that
[17:36] <Kardoso> ok. thanks
[17:37] <Kardoso> I'll now logoff. Thank you all for the help. Have a nice day, good bye.
[17:52] <Kardoso> hi
[17:52] <Kardoso> im back
[17:53] <Kardoso> Charlie-tca: Hi, I just now see Hungarian avaible too!
[17:54] <charlie-tca> :)
[17:54] <Kardoso> in the iso file: /isolinux/hu.hlp and hu.tr -- theese are the Hungarian lang files
[17:54] <Kardoso> and I didnt saw first :)
[17:55] <Kardoso> I just wanted to verify it. now i logoff again, good bye
[18:27] <nikolam> Just one question.
[18:28] <nikolam> Why there is no binary update paches for linux?
[18:28] <nikolam> After installing 8.04 LTS I updated to hundreds of megabytes of package updates
[18:29] <nikolam> Right now it is downloading linux-image security updated package for hardy-security
[18:29] <nikolam> 18Mb + something + something +..
[18:30] <nikolam> I imagine that if I don`t have fast internet, that it would be very hard to keep up with those updates
[18:31] <nikolam> So why there are no binary paches for ubuntu packages, that would be smaller then downloading whole new updated packages?
[18:31] <zoredache> because they would be difficult to maintain
[18:31] <zoredache> also it isn't something that apt system has support for right now
[18:32] <nikolam> Aha.
[18:32] <zoredache> but the real answer is probably... Nobody that knows how to program something like that has cared enough to do it
[18:33] <nikolam> So as far as everyone telling, Linux is mostly for people with fast internet connection.
[18:33] <nikolam> Update from 8.04 -> 8.04.1 was huge for download, at least
[18:34] <nikolam> I also plan to stay with LTS for a long time now
[18:35] <nikolam> zoredache, Is there some linux distro that do binary updates ? (so that required bandwith to mantain it is low)
[18:37] <zoredache> I don't think so
[18:37] <zoredache> if you have a good firewall you could just ignore the updates
[18:38] <nikolam> after all security updates are a must.
[18:38] <nikolam> Oh, I am for updates.
[18:38] <Woo__> Does Xubuntu have an option to autocheck for updates, and install them (possibly rebooting) like XP has?
[18:38] <zoredache> not always... many security updates deal with local exploits.. if your system isn't shared not much bad can happen
[18:38] <nikolam> Ok, need to go and restart machine :I After this update now
[18:38] <zoredache> Woo: yes....
[18:39] <Woo> zoredache: What's the problem?
[18:39] <zoredache> what problem?
[18:40] <Woo> I interpret many dots as rolling eyes
[18:41] <Woo> so I can just find it in a setting for the system somewhere?
[18:41] <zoredache> no the many dots (...) is an elipse.  Which means there is more to come
[18:41] <nikolam> Woo, You can make it do manually by starting Synaptic and selecting Settings>Repositories>Updates>Check for updates>Install security updates without confirmation
[18:41] <Woo> alright, great
[18:42] <Woo> i might set up a farm for some distributed computing
[18:42] <Woo> so it would be great if they auto-updated
[18:42] <nikolam> That is it.
[18:42] <Woo> i'll go check if i can do it on my home server running ubuntu as well
[18:42] <zoredache> you also might want to look at 'apticron', or 'auto-apt'
[18:43] <nikolam> That is for security updates. Maybe they would ask for recommended updates and rest non-security updates to confirm on desktop instalaltion
[18:43] <zoredache> for a farm of computers those might be better.  They don't need a gui, and you have more control of when, and what gets updated
[18:43] <Woo> I don't think it's user friendly enough with no gui
[18:43] <Woo> and the compters already have GPUs
[18:44] <Woo> computers*
[18:45] <zoredache> I guess it depends... I managed 50 servers...  I would never want to deal with a gui.  I like being able to fix something in a text file and then copy that text file around via ssh
[18:46] <Woo> well you know how :)
[18:46] <Woo> i preffer the text edition of the application i'm going to run, but linux is just so much to learn
[18:46] <nikolam> zoredache, You have a point.
[18:47] <Woo> ubuntu had that option as well
[18:47] <Woo> how do i close the update manager?
[18:48] <zoredache> try clicking the 'x' at the top right?
[18:48] <Woo> it doesn't work
[18:48] <nikolam> or y .. :))
[18:49] <zoredache> use alt-tab a couple times.  Make sure it hasn't opened any sub-windows and close those
[18:50] <Woo> i only have one window open
[18:51] <zoredache> hrm..
[18:52] <zoredache> well there is always the 'mean' way
[18:52] <zoredache> press 'ctrl-alt-esc' and your mouse pointer will turn into an 'x'  anything you click on will be killed
[18:52] <nikolam> Something about staying on LTS:.. http://ideas.4brad.com/node/486
[18:53] <nikolam> zoredache, is there an alternative to finding process with ps -A | grep process and killing it in command line?
[18:54] <nikolam> (After killing gui with ctrl-alt-esc)
[18:54] <Woo> hmm it doesn't like that command on remote desktop
[18:55] <Woo> does xubuntu have that problem as well?
[18:55] <Woo> i can only install updates half the time, really
[18:56] <Woo> unless i do it in the terminal
[18:56] <zoredache> nikolam: I am not quite sure what you are asking.  If you want to find kill in one step you can install 'psmisc' and then use 'killall programname'
[18:58] <nikolam> Ah I would just like that killing GUI means that app is actually closed.
[19:00] <Woo> linux should have this
[19:00] <nikolam> Eh, what should me proper procedure to initiate upgrading package of Browser I use (Seamonkey) to newer security-updated version, so that it would appear in Hardy LTS repository as updated package?
[19:00] <Woo> you open the system monitor, display all open windows and the ability to right click that window and select go to process. right now i don't know what the process that has the frozen update window is called.
[19:00] <nikolam> Shoul I file security-related bug report about upgrading package?
[19:01] <nikolam> Woo you can mostly identify it if it is using 100% cpu or something
[19:01] <zoredache> if there is a package that has a security bug that is in the cureent distro then yes
[19:02] <Woo> no i can't, system monitor uses 10% and then the rest 0%
[19:02] <Woo> although i have 100% use due to folding@home, it isn't listed
[19:02] <nikolam> or you can use accesories>appfinder , find an application name, righ-click it on more information and found out application name
[19:03] <nikolam> then you can do ps -A | grep appname
[19:03] <nikolam> and after finding process ID kill it with kill _pid_
[19:03] <nikolam> or kill -9 _pid_ if it won`t close
[19:04] <Woo> where is accessories?
[19:04] <nikolam> also U can use killall appname like zoredache is saying.
[19:04] <vinnl> Woo, under "Applications"
[19:04] <nikolam> Woo, If you use Xubuntu, it is under Xfce menu
[19:11] <nikolam> zoredache, I wuld like to learn to administer Linux/Ubuntu fully from command line (remote ssh administration)
[19:11] <nikolam> where should i start?
[19:15] <Woo> I don't see any appfinder under accessories
[19:22] <vonhalenbach> I did a Xubuntu 8.04 alternate CD install. It is not possible to mount any usb-memory device.
[19:23] <vonhalenbach> The usb joystick works.
[19:23] <cody-somerville> I mount usb thumb drives just fine.
[19:23] <vonhalenbach> On my Kubuntu Feisty the devices work.
[19:24] <vonhalenbach> Did you use the alterate installer?
[19:24] <vonhalenbach> Or the lifecd?
[19:25] <cody-somerville> It shouldn't matter.
[19:25] <vonhalenbach> dmesg shows something about option #1 could not be chosen, or something.
[19:25] <vonhalenbach> Did you use the lifecd?
[19:26] <cody-somerville> I can't remember.
[19:26] <vonhalenbach> how much memory do you have?
[19:27] <cody-somerville> 1GB
[19:27] <vonhalenbach> Then you used the lifecd.
[19:27] <cody-somerville> I'm pretty sure I used the alternative actually
[19:27] <vonhalenbach> cody-somerville: Could you try the alternate install CD on a spare computer?
[19:28] <cody-somerville> vonhalenbach, Why?
[19:28] <vonhalenbach> To test, where the failure belongs.
[19:28] <cody-somerville> What failure?
[19:29] <vonhalenbach> sorry, my english is not very good.
[19:29] <vonhalenbach> where the error is.
[19:29] <cody-somerville> What error are we talking about?
[19:30] <vonhalenbach> Usb works, but i can't mount any usb-Memory-devices.
[19:30] <cody-somerville> vonhalenbach, It works fine for me.
[19:30] <vonhalenbach> for me not.
[19:30] <vinnl> vonhalenbach, what's the difference between USB thumb drives and USB memory devices?
[19:31] <vonhalenbach> no difference.
[19:31] <vonhalenbach> I mean thumb drives.
[19:31] <vinnl> Oh wait xD
[19:31] <vinnl> That was Cody's line :P
[19:31] <vonhalenbach> I have several different kinds of it.
[19:31] <vinnl> vonhalenbach, how many different USB drives have you tried?
[19:32] <vonhalenbach> I have tried a 512MB memory stick and a multi-connection Usb-Cardreader.
[19:33] <vonhalenbach> And i own some digital cameras with a usb-memory device, but i did not test them yet.
[19:34] <vonhalenbach> And a usb-printer with such a device.
[19:34] <vinnl> vonhalenbach, could you try them?
[19:34] <vonhalenbach> So we can together search now, where the error is.
[19:35] <vonhalenbach> They work with my Kubuntu 7.04
[19:35] <vonhalenbach> Sure, i will connect my printer to the xubuntu computer now.
[19:35] <vinnl> Hmm, true, then it should work
[19:36] <vinnl> vonhalenbach, when you type "lsusb" in a terminal, are the devices shown?
[19:36] <vonhalenbach> maybe it is a driver issue from the kernel?
[19:37] <vonhalenbach> When i connect the thumbdrive and do a lsusb it hangs for a short while.
[19:37] <vonhalenbach> with the usb-joystick it works normally.
[19:38] <vonhalenbach> Usb-Bluetoooth and usb-wlan work too.
[19:39] <vonhalenbach> i have to search the dmesg for error messages.
[19:41] <RicoADF> G'day guys
[19:41] <vinnl> Hey RicoADF
[19:42] <RicoADF> just formatted my sister's PC and put Xubuntu on it, finally talked her into letting me give Windows the flick (was quite easy since XP was screwing up royally)
[19:43] <RicoADF> ive just downloaded the flash plugin which I want to install, whats the command again? (been awhile since ive needed to install a file not in the add/remove list lol)
[19:43] <TheSheep> RicoADF: just install it with synaptics
[19:43] <TheSheep> synaptic
[19:44] <RicoADF> so just search for flashplayer-installer?
[19:44] <vinnl> RicoADF, I believe flashplugin-nonfree
[19:44] <TheSheep> flashplugin-nonfree
[19:45] <RicoADF> ah there it is, thanks :), good thing about Linux is once u set ur machine up u dont need to format and setup again, bad thing is its easy to forget how u did it LOL
[19:46] <vinnl> RicoADF, you might want to consider installing xubuntu-restricted-extras :)
[19:47] <zoredache> RicoADF: make notes or make a backup of your system and you'll be able to figured out what you did
[19:48] <RicoADF> thankyou, wilco :)
[20:15] <vonhalenbach> cody-somerville: With the usb-printer it works. The internal cardreader is supported by xubuntu 8.04
[20:15] <vonhalenbach> I am happy now.
[20:16] <cody-somerville> :)
[20:16] <vonhalenbach> :)
[20:16] <vinnl> \0/
[20:18] <TheSheep> \./
[21:17] <PHANT0Ma> hello, can anybody give your /boot dir from 8.04 ?
[21:18] <TheSheep> PHANT0Ma: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/79534/
[21:20] <PHANT0Ma> TheSheep: can you upload grub dir to rapidshare or another place?
[21:21] <TheSheep> I'd rather not, there are passwords in there
[21:21] <TheSheep> I have custom config anwyays
[21:22] <TheSheep> but you should be able to recreate it with grub-install
[21:22] <PHANT0Ma> =( i need message, stage1 stage2 and fat_stage1_5
[21:22] <TheSheep> no message here, the rest I can uload
[21:23] <PHANT0Ma> hmmm...
[21:24] <PHANT0Ma> maybe default gfxmenu have another name
[21:24] <TheSheep> PHANT0Ma: http://sheep.art.pl/misc/grub.tar.gz
[21:26] <PHANT0Ma> TheSheep: thanks!
[21:31] <Snoopotic> Hi. I just chose another window-style in the window-manager. and after the reboot the task panel is gone :/ now I have to shutdown/reboot by console :/ do oyu have any idea?
[21:32] <vinnl> Snoopotic, try pressing Alt+F2 and running "xfce4-panel"
[21:40] <Snoopotic> ah there it is.
[21:41] <Snoopotic> why was it gone?
[21:41] <vinnl> I believe it had something to do with RAM, but I'm not sure
[21:52] <fourChan> attention rescue 6 and engine 12, a still alarm, respond to broad at potters for a shooting victim from the police
[21:52] <fourChan> attention rescue 6 and engine 12, a still alarm, respond to broad at potters for a shooting victim from the police
[21:54] <TGD> hi
[21:55] <TheSheep> hello TGD
[21:55] <TGD> i love ubuntu
[21:56] <TGD> and xfce
[21:56] <TGD> makes a good combo
[21:56] <David-A> love is a strong word, I have issues with ubuntu and xubuntu, but i "like" them, xubuntu a little more
[21:58] <TGD> wat issues
[21:59] <Snoopotic> I tried to use it in 7.10 and wasnt surprised. now I am :D
[21:59] <TGD> lol
[21:59] <TGD> kde rules all ov em tho
[21:59] <Snoopotic> 8.04 is better. esp of that network manager :D
[22:00] <Snoopotic> I cant I use it on a celeron 450mhz with 128 mb ram :D
[22:00] <TGD> ubuntu should include ndiswrapper
[22:00] <TheSheep> kde confuses me -- why does each and every app need to have a menu for changing its colors and fonts?
[22:00] <TGD> cuz
[22:01] <TGD> its special
[22:02] <TGD> lool
[22:02] <TGD> i think gnome sux
[22:02] <TheSheep> TGD: may I direct your attention to that awesome xubuntu-offtopic channel that gets underused? :)
[22:03] <TGD> whats this 4 then
[22:03] <TheSheep> !ot
[22:03] <TGD> ahh
[22:03] <TheSheep> Welcome! :)
[22:04] <TGD> i need help
[22:04] <TGD> is there a ndiswrapper gui
[22:06] <TheSheep> ndisgtk
[22:07] <vonhalenbach> i wish there would be a gui for bluetooth.
[22:07] <TGD> besides that
[22:07] <TGD> ill make a bluetooth gui
[22:07] <TheSheep> vonhalenbach: there are many, depends on what you do through bluetooth
[22:08] <vonhalenbach> and for wlan to see all clients on the net.
[22:08] <TGD> i cant install ndisgtk
[22:08] <TheSheep> vonhalenbach: you mean like wifiradar or something?
[22:08] <vonhalenbach> Is it possible to see in a gui all mobile phones in the bluetooth range?
[22:08] <vonhalenbach> yeah.
[22:09] <TGD> yep
[22:09] <TGD> why not get windows
[22:09] <TheSheep> vonhalenbach: yes, there are some gnome bt utils for that
[22:09] <vonhalenbach> i hate windows.
[22:09] <TGD> xp is ok
[22:10] <vonhalenbach> i never tried xp
[22:10] <TGD> try it
[22:10] <vonhalenbach> no
[22:10] <TheSheep> TGD: recommending windows is not really solving anything for xubuntu users, is it?
[22:11] <TGD> y
[22:11] <TGD> umm
[22:11] <TGD> maby
[22:11] <TGD> windows switched me
[22:11] <TheSheep> vonhalenbach: try installing bluez-gnome
[22:11] <vonhalenbach> okay. Thank you!
[22:12] <TGD> is there a php chan
[22:12] <TheSheep> vonhalenbach: then bluetooth-properties should list all devices in range
[22:12] <vonhalenbach> cool!
[22:13] <TGD> i need a bt adapter
[22:13] <TGD> for ubuntu
[22:14] <TGD> recomend me 1 plz
[22:14] <TGD> england plz
[22:15] <TheSheep> TGD: http://www.wiili.org/index.php/Compatible_Bluetooth_Devices
[22:15] <TGD> will ndiswrapper install bt drivers?
[22:16] <TheSheep> no idea
[22:16] <TGD> it worked for my graphics card
[22:18] <TGD> soo sory
[22:18] <TGD> error
[22:18] <TGD> hmm
[22:19] <thinkmassive> in evolution the font of selected items is the same as the background color (of the selected item) until I click somewhere else... has anyone else noticed this?
[22:19] <thinkmassive> actually it's white until I change focus, then it returns to black
[22:19] <vinnl> thinkmassive, is this with Xubuntu's default theme?
[22:20] <thinkmassive> no, is that a function of the theme?
[22:20] <thinkmassive> it's fine in other app's as far as I've noticed, only evolution shows the bug
[22:20] <TheSheep> thinkmassive: either that or evolution has the colors hardcoded
[22:20] <TGD> webmin always works
[22:21] <thinkmassive> now that you all mention it, I think my text highlight color is usually white...
[22:22] <thinkmassive> it's just strange how evolution reverts it to black when I defocus the newly selected item, oh well
[22:22] <TheSheep> thinkmassive: report a bug in evolution :)
[22:23] <vinnl> Upstream I suppose
[22:27] <TGD> ubottu has died
[22:32] <TGD> why shoulnt i use debian stuff on ubuntu
[22:33] <TheSheep> TGD: because the packages might be incomatible in nasty and non-obvious ways, leading to brakage and data loss
[22:33] <TGD> ok so
[22:34] <TGD> keep the live cd
[22:34] <TheSheep> data loss as in losing your own files
[22:34] <TheSheep> or breaking them
[22:35] <TGD> oh well
[22:35] <TGD> im used to it
[22:35] <TheSheep> do it at your own risk
[22:35] <TheSheep> but don't recommend to others
[22:36] <TGD> ok
[22:36] <TGD> i only use ubuntu packagges anyway
[22:40] <Snoopotic> heh lol
[22:40] <Snoopotic> in 7.10 it couldnt get into hibernate. now in 8.04 it doesnt come back from hibernate ^^ lol
[22:40] <TGD> whats better compile php myself ot apt-get?
[22:40] <TheSheep> Snoopotic: make sure you have enough swap space
[22:41] <TheSheep> TGD: the latter
[22:41] <TGD> huh
[22:41] <Snoopotic> TheSheep ... enough? :D I have 128 MB RAM... and made a 256 MB swappartition.
[22:41] <TGD> how much swap space i need
[22:42] <Snoopotic> is it enough? :D my hdd is only 6GB :D
[22:42] <TheSheep> Snoopotic: well, you need at least as much *free* swap space when you are hibernating as you have ram
[22:43] <TheSheep> Snoopotic: so unless you normally use 128MB of swap, it's ok
[22:43] <TGD> make a 2 gig swap space
[22:43] <TheSheep> TGD: please
[22:43] <TGD> please
[22:43] <TGD> itl help
[22:43] <TGD> alot
[22:44] <vinnl> TGD, not if you hard drive is only 6GB
[22:44] <TGD> lol
[22:44] <David-A> my firefox 2 currently use 86MB ram and 235MB ram+swap. 256MB swap seems a little to little. firefox 3 is said to be better.
[22:44] <TheSheep> David-A: you can also limit ff2
[22:45] <David-A> TheSheep: i have tried
[22:45] <TGD> buy more rar or bigger hdd
[22:46] <TheSheep> TGD: please
[22:46] <TGD> please
[22:46] <TGD> itl help
[22:47] <TGD> or stripping the os might help
[22:48] <TheSheep> TGD: can you stop giving these pointless advices, like trying windows xp, buying better hardware, etc.?
[22:48] <TGD> but u need the know how
[22:48] <TheSheep> Snoopotic: any messages you get? anything in dmesg?
[22:49] <Snoopotic> hmm lets see
[22:52]  * charlie-tca thanks, TheSheep
[22:52] <Snoopotic> btw I set the boot-flag acpi=force :D
[22:54] <TheSheep> Snoopotic: if it works...
[22:55]  * TheSheep tests his hibernation
[22:55] <Snoopotic> better than without ^^
[22:55] <Snoopotic> without it doesnt power off, ther I need to power off manually after "halt"-ing
[22:56] <Snoopotic> whatever i dont really need hibernation :D
[22:57] <Snoopotic> it might speed up the boot process of that "machine" but maybe it slows down after some reboots rom hibernation :D
[22:57] <TheSheep> nope, doesn't work
[22:58] <Snoopotic> ^^
[23:00] <Snoopotic> do you know if there is any client to do a remote-desktop session to a windows-computer just with its builtin remote desktop? is there a linux client that can handle windows remotedesktop?
[23:01] <TheSheep> Snoopotic: sure, for starters the one installed by default should handle it
[23:02] <TheSheep> Snoopotic: there is aso command-line one called 'rdesktop'
[23:02] <TheSheep> also
[23:02] <Snoopotic> sure? hmm so you mean I just need to enter the correct port? hmm
[23:02] <TheSheep> you might need to enable it on the windows side
[23:12] <thinkmassive> Snoopotic: I use rdesktop all the time and it works great
[23:13] <thinkmassive> remote desktop is usually disabled by default on XP and Vista though
[23:18] <Snoopotic> haha nice.
[23:18] <Snoopotic> yeah im on it now ^^
[23:18] <Snoopotic> its very fast.