=== Zeeded[AFK] is now known as Zeeded [03:02] hello...i'm on xubuntu 8 and my resolution is stuck at 800x600; whenever i try the "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" command, no video settings pop up like every online forums says [03:02] anyone know whats wrong with my reconfigure thing? [03:36] How do I share songs from Xubuntu to a Vista PC? [03:39] Anyone? [04:01] is it possible to install a clean version of ubuntu? without any software? [04:01] is it possible to install a clean version of ubuntu? without any software? === adam is now known as maxamillion [06:37] i have kubuntu ubuntu and xubuntu isntalled [06:38] how do i get the bar to be on the bottom, [06:38] the taskbar with the menu [06:38] and how do i get the maclike bubbly menu [06:38] brb gotta reboot [07:32] hey, wine left a bunch of unused icons from old programs in my applications list under 'other'; how can I get rid of them since I can't access that from the menu manager? [07:36] anyone? sorry... I'm a total newbie === zoredache_ is now known as zoredache [07:51] fretlessdavis: what was your question? [07:55] wine left a bunch of stuff in an other directory [07:55] stuff that's not on my system [07:55] how do I gt rid of it? [07:56] applications> othr [07:56] other* [07:56] just drag it to the trash? [07:56] can't get rid of it in menu settings [07:56] oh, in the menu.... [07:57] the best thing is to edit the menu and leave the tick box empty next to it [07:57] that`s the cleanest solution i guess [07:58] I can't get to that directory in the menu settings... that's where I'm having trouble [07:59] http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/07/12/manually-edit-the-xfce-menu/ [08:00] http://xfce.wikia.com/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Questions#How_to_edit_the_auto_generated_menu_with_the_menu_editor.3F [08:01] those two articles look like they might address what you want [08:01] thanks zoredache [08:02] but anyway I believe you can't edit it because some of the menu is generated based on the .desktop files [08:04] you would find those in /usr/share/applications. You might want to take a quick peak in that folder to see if it has any files that match what you are trying to remove [08:05] hi why im unable to create any kind of docs? [08:06] CCCn: perhaps you are looking for the wrong thing... Maybe you are looking for what xfce calls a 'panel' [08:07] zoredache: they're there, but I can't delete them from the browser [08:07] will I be able to at the terminal? [08:07] fretlessdavis: from the terminal you will be able to delete if you do it with sudo [08:08] k thanks [08:08] what's the command for delete? [08:08] I just recently switched to linux [08:08] you could also do a 'gksu thunar' to start up a root file browser [08:08] still have dos commands in my head :-/ [08:08] fretlessdavis: the delete command is 'rm filename' [08:08] 'k [08:10] thanks for the root access in thunar command [08:10] I got it [08:10] im in root's group already......zooredache....i do the same at the terminal but it cant be saved or closed (it close by term only) [08:11] CCCn: what? [08:11] create a doc...i mean [08:12] what do you mean when you say 'doc'? [08:13] are you talking about something like the thing at the bottem of the screen in OSX or are you talking about a MSWord compatible file [08:13] i can create it in terminal (DOCument) but it still cant be saved [08:13] hmmm. they're not in that folder. I'll take a look at those links and ask at #winehq since wine did it [08:13] thanks! [08:15] im talkin bout linux .conf file (4 example) [08:15] in terminal im usin somthing like that ^O^S [08:17] oh man tell me that im loser & i go away... [08:17] :-) [08:18] you aren't a loser.... [08:18] ok thx [08:18] what program are you trying to use to edit the file? [08:18] first it was terminal [08:19] if you want to edit something outside of your home directory in a terminal a command like 'gksu nano /etc/filename' would be what you want [08:20] if you want a gui you could simply do an 'alt-f2' and run 'gksu mousepad' [08:21] ok stop and big thankz ill try it after ok!!! thx zore === __alexconrad is now known as AlexCONRAD [09:25] I accidentily deleted my last panel [09:25] how can I get it back? [09:29] anyone? [09:34] anyone know how to get panels back? I accidentily deleted the only one I had [09:40] anyone, I'm afraid to do anything until I can fix it [10:44] hi guys [10:44] does anybody know how do I change bootsplash in xubuntu? [10:47] I installed xubuntu-desktop on top of my gnome-ubuntu installation and would like to change my bootsplash into xubuntu one without re-installing the system [10:48] RyanVanDiemen, install startupmanager [10:49] you can modify these settings there? [10:50] RyanVanDiemen, install startupmanager [10:50] RyanVanDiemen, install startupmanager [10:50] RyanVanDiemen, install startupmanager [10:50] ok, I`ll check that, thank you [10:51] np [10:51] I found on their page that you can even edit GRUB with startupmanager, but I use qgrubeditor for GRUB editing, will they not collide or something? [11:07] Hi, anyone know how i can edit the xfce menu in Xubuntu 8.04?? [11:14] hello ppl [11:30] hello and i wonna know it again :-) there is an option in the shell "Create a document" but it is half-deleted...than theres a question - it is normal? [11:31] I'm running Gutsy 7.10, and don't think I have that. [11:32] u mean ur not sure about this option? [11:32] yes [11:33] In 7.10, I have create from template and it allows creating documents in mousepad [11:35] yea...i do too...but i just wonder why its been halfdeleted... i mean green [11:35] matteo_: thats a common question [11:35] there are some quides [11:35] but overall editing xfce menu is a pain [11:36] shell in xfce = pain? [11:37] shell is a shell [11:37] i just cant get it clear...in windows or mac i can create anythin from shell... [11:39] mousepad works, terminal - normal, and shell still keep silence [11:39] w h y [11:39] thats question... [11:41] silence everywere [11:44] could somes guides help me with enabling root rights in xubuntu permanently? [11:45] any guides? [11:46] im selfmadechatin'shit'lol :-) [12:52] hi all [12:53] Kardoso: hello [12:54] Can I run Xubuntu from a slow PC: 64 MB RAM, Pentium 2 processor ? [12:54] I don't think 64 MB is enough. I do run version 6.06 on 192 MB, though [12:55] Ok. That is an extra-slow PC, I think, thats running Windows 98.. very very slow [12:56] charlie-tca: thanks [12:56] I believe it. I have a PII and PIII [12:56] :) [12:56] hi kardoso, minimum is 192 MB unfortunately [12:56] Why cant I find ndiswrapper-source in the package lists? [12:56] My home computer is Pentium 4 Dual core, Ubuntu runs great on it. [12:57] hi RyanVanDiemen, ok, thanks [12:57] np I run it on 1GB, works well :) [12:57] me too :) i speaked about a school computer [12:58] :| [12:58] I got it working on a PIII with 256MB, slow but adequate [12:58] :( [12:58] * KammyDoe needs help [12:58] I'm running Ubuntu (from home) on Pentium IIII with 1 GB RAM [12:58] KammyDoe: what is it you need help with? [12:58] I need help with a Dell to get ndiswrapper running with Xubuntu [12:58] using* Xubuntu [12:59] Charlie-tca: If I need to use that computer (the 64 MB's) I cant wait for the end, because that is too slow :( [12:59] Sorry, I haven't used ndiswrapper in 2 years. [12:59] Kardoso: I hear you. Maybe upgrade the memory? [13:00] Thanks. I would to do it, but I cant, because that is a school computer [13:00] :( [13:00] But, anyway, I will should it to the Director [13:00] :( [13:00] at tomorrow [13:03] Where can I view how many RAM? [13:03] is there an ftp client for ubuntu that isnt totally crappy? [13:04] Kardoso: is that required to run Xubuntu RAM? [13:05] xubuntu was designed specifically to be lighter on memory and cpu [13:05] all the built in apps are lightweight [13:05] I want to check how many RAM in the PCs. [13:05] Kardoso when you boot up it'll tell you [13:05] ok [13:06] MrNaz and Charlie-tca I try it now. I'll come back soon [13:06] Kardoso you can also type this: cat /proc/meminfo === Kardoso is now known as Kardoso_ [13:06] MrNaz: I use gftp, but I hear ProFTP is good [13:06] MrNaz: ok, thanks [13:06] gftp is pathetic.... [13:06] MrNaz: to Terminal? [13:06] depends on your use... [13:07] Kardoso_ yes [13:07] MrNaz, thanks [13:07] hi [13:07] charlie-tca you cant select multiple files in the que for que management, you cant transfer single files on some servers, its SSH2 file handling is buggy... [13:07] it really is a poor piece of software [13:07] I'll try it now. I'll come back soon === Kardoso_ is now known as Kardoso_brb [13:08] is it already possible to mount a usb-memorystick with xubuntu? [13:08] vonhalenbach: yes [13:08] vonhalenbach it should be plug and play [13:08] oh cool [13:09] Which version do you use? [13:09] hardy === Kardoso_brb is now known as Kardoso [13:09] Ok, I did [13:09] hm [13:09] Here is the the detalies: [13:09] I just tried hardy with many different sticks. It failed. [13:10] vonhalenbach: Are you using Hardy? [13:10] at the moment i use feisty. Hardy is on my other computer. [13:10] 1.PC: 64 MB RAM 2.: 64 MB RAM 3.: 128 MB 4.: 256 MB 5.: 128 [13:11] Can I run Xubuntu on 4. PC? [13:11] vonhalenbach: i don't remember feisty having that ability. You can try mounting it in /media [13:11] okay [13:11] Theese PCs has PentiumIII [13:12] Hardy is different. Some sticks will mount, but they show up in /media instead of the desktop now [13:12] Did you really try a memory stick with your computer? charlie-tca [13:13] Not in Hardy, but in Gutsy and 6.06 [13:13] dmesg says something about a dead device. [13:13] lol [13:13] Are you running in a virtual machine? [13:14] then you should try a bit newer version. [13:14] Charlie-tca and MrNaz: Can I run Xubuntu from the 4th PC? (256 MB RAM, Pentium III) [13:14] Kardoso: Yes, you should even be able to use the live CD, I think. [13:14] Charlie-tca: Thanks. [13:15] I'm looking up the requirement, to make sure [13:16] Kardoso: verified it. You should be able to run the live CD and install if you want [13:16] ok, thx [13:16] Kardoso: Yes, you need just a bit more than 128 MB for Xubuntu. But for the lifecd it needs more than 256MB. Try the alternate CD. [13:16] good luck [13:17] thx, i try now... :) [13:17] Can I run Xubuntu from our another computer (1 GB RAM, Intel Celeron) ? [13:18] sure! [13:18] cool, thanks [13:18] I try that too [13:18] I come back soon. [13:18] okay === Kardoso is now known as Kardoso_away_ [13:20] cody-somerville: hi [13:20] hi :] [13:20] do you by chance have a usb-memorystick? [13:21] which version do you run? Hardy ? [13:21] cody-somerville: what time is the Community council? === Kardoso_away_ is now known as Kardoso [13:21] Ok, I'm here. [13:22] So. Xubuntu started on the 256 MB's PC. It was little slow while it started, but now runs good. [13:22] Runs great on 1 GB RAM + Celeron [13:23] did you install, or do you use the livecd? [13:23] live CD [13:23] oh wow. [13:23] Kardoso: good to hear that [13:23] charlie-tca, It should be already happening :( [13:23] That's what I thought, but the council never showed up [13:23] Charlie-tca: thanks, best to see it :) [13:24] I will install it now [13:24] Xubuntu is great, I will install it now [13:24] How many free space need for it? [13:25] 1.5 GB [13:25] ok [13:25] under 2 GB [13:25] Can it be on a file like as Ubuntu Hardy heron? [13:25] If you can, though, try to give it about 3 GB, at least [13:25] Or do I need another partition? [13:26] You want to run it as a file from windows? [13:26] yes [13:26] yes, I want [13:26] Can i? [13:26] i don't know, if this is already implemented in Xubuntu. [13:27] ok, I will check it soon. [13:27] Which windows do you have? [13:27] Windows XP on the another computer [13:27] on my computer Windows Vista [13:27] and Ubuntu [13:27] okay. [13:28] i want to install Xubuntu for a file in Windows XP [13:28] You could do that with ubuntu. [13:28] ok [13:29] Can I use the wireless (SMCWUSB) netcard in Xubuntu? [13:29] It should be possible. [13:29] Ok thanks [13:30] You have to enable and configure it in the network manager. [13:30] Ok. I tried it under Ubuntu, it detected automatically [13:30] great! [13:30] Will Xubuntu detect it too? [13:31] then it should be able to detect it too. [13:31] Ok, thanks [13:32] I just choosed the network and its worked! :) In Windows, it NEVER worked.. Ubuntu and Xubuntu are great [13:32] It is getting better. [13:32] Wow! Im tested, and I confirm its work [13:32] Xubuntu detected it too [13:32] okay. cewl [13:33] Can Xubuntu detect the Mobile HDDs? (Samsung 320GB SATA HDD) [13:33] sure [13:33] on USB interface [13:33] great! thanks [13:34] Ok. I'll now logoff, and install Xubuntu. I think it will work great. Thank you all for the help. [13:35] no problem. [13:35] Have a very nice day, good bye [13:35] you too. === adam is now known as maxamillion [14:24] guys, anybody has some experience playing freeorion ? [14:25] I heard it`s still in development phase, so i`m just curious if it`s playable... === gaurdro_ is now known as gaurdro === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak [16:50] hi all [17:10] hi [17:10] Did the install go well? [17:12] Charlie-tca: Yes, it did:) [17:12] thanks [17:13] Now, its working great [17:13] Terrific. It's great when things work. :) [17:14] Thanks. I shoulded to my buddy too. I installed for him too, he think its great too :) [17:14] Woo ee [17:17] His computer: 256 MB RAM (-8 MB for videocard), Pentium II. He said the Windows is very slow on his computer. When he saw Xubuntu he was very happy :) [17:19] I know that feeling. [17:20] :) [17:22] Can I install languange packs for an installed Xubuntu? [17:23] i think so, but I have never done it. [17:24] Where? From Synaptics? [17:24] Kardoso: sure, system->language support [17:24] TheSheep: Great! thanks [17:24] Is Hungarian language pack avaible for Xubuntu? [17:25] should be there on the list, in the worst case it will be incomplete and some apps will be still in English [17:25] in that case you can help translating [17:25] !rosetta [17:25] rosetta is a Web-based system for translating open source software into any language. See https://launchpad.net/rosetta/+about [17:26] Ok. So I can translate? [17:26] Ok, thanks for the link I check it === Kardoso is now known as Kardoso_away === Kardoso_away is now known as Kardoso [17:29] Kardoso: it's actually https://translations.launchpad.net/ [17:29] TheShepp: ok. Do I need register to translate? [17:29] I guess so [17:30] Ok. I can help translate between English and Hungarian [17:30] but then you can use that login also to report bugs and such [17:30] ok [17:34] Can I use MSN in Xubuntu? If yes, with which software? [17:35] Kardoso: pidgin, the default messenger, should be able to connect to the msn network [17:35] TheSheep: Ok. Does Pidgin support the MSN's webcam and audio chat? [17:35] no [17:36] it'll take some time before they manage to reverse-engineer that [17:36] ok. thanks [17:37] I'll now logoff. Thank you all for the help. Have a nice day, good bye. [17:52] hi [17:52] im back [17:53] Charlie-tca: Hi, I just now see Hungarian avaible too! [17:54] :) [17:54] in the iso file: /isolinux/hu.hlp and hu.tr -- theese are the Hungarian lang files [17:54] and I didnt saw first :) [17:55] I just wanted to verify it. now i logoff again, good bye [18:27] Just one question. [18:28] Why there is no binary update paches for linux? [18:28] After installing 8.04 LTS I updated to hundreds of megabytes of package updates [18:29] Right now it is downloading linux-image security updated package for hardy-security [18:29] 18Mb + something + something +.. [18:30] I imagine that if I don`t have fast internet, that it would be very hard to keep up with those updates [18:31] So why there are no binary paches for ubuntu packages, that would be smaller then downloading whole new updated packages? [18:31] because they would be difficult to maintain [18:31] also it isn't something that apt system has support for right now [18:32] Aha. [18:32] but the real answer is probably... Nobody that knows how to program something like that has cared enough to do it [18:33] So as far as everyone telling, Linux is mostly for people with fast internet connection. [18:33] Update from 8.04 -> 8.04.1 was huge for download, at least [18:34] I also plan to stay with LTS for a long time now [18:35] zoredache, Is there some linux distro that do binary updates ? (so that required bandwith to mantain it is low) [18:37] I don't think so [18:37] if you have a good firewall you could just ignore the updates [18:38] after all security updates are a must. [18:38] Oh, I am for updates. [18:38] Does Xubuntu have an option to autocheck for updates, and install them (possibly rebooting) like XP has? === Woo__ is now known as WOo === WOo is now known as Woo [18:38] not always... many security updates deal with local exploits.. if your system isn't shared not much bad can happen [18:38] Ok, need to go and restart machine :I After this update now [18:38] Woo: yes.... [18:39] zoredache: What's the problem? [18:39] what problem? [18:40] I interpret many dots as rolling eyes [18:41] so I can just find it in a setting for the system somewhere? [18:41] no the many dots (...) is an elipse. Which means there is more to come [18:41] Woo, You can make it do manually by starting Synaptic and selecting Settings>Repositories>Updates>Check for updates>Install security updates without confirmation [18:41] alright, great [18:42] i might set up a farm for some distributed computing [18:42] so it would be great if they auto-updated [18:42] That is it. [18:42] i'll go check if i can do it on my home server running ubuntu as well [18:42] you also might want to look at 'apticron', or 'auto-apt' [18:43] That is for security updates. Maybe they would ask for recommended updates and rest non-security updates to confirm on desktop instalaltion [18:43] for a farm of computers those might be better. They don't need a gui, and you have more control of when, and what gets updated [18:43] I don't think it's user friendly enough with no gui [18:43] and the compters already have GPUs [18:44] computers* [18:45] I guess it depends... I managed 50 servers... I would never want to deal with a gui. I like being able to fix something in a text file and then copy that text file around via ssh [18:46] well you know how :) [18:46] i preffer the text edition of the application i'm going to run, but linux is just so much to learn [18:46] zoredache, You have a point. [18:47] ubuntu had that option as well [18:47] how do i close the update manager? [18:48] try clicking the 'x' at the top right? [18:48] it doesn't work [18:48] or y .. :)) [18:49] use alt-tab a couple times. Make sure it hasn't opened any sub-windows and close those [18:50] i only have one window open [18:51] hrm.. [18:52] well there is always the 'mean' way [18:52] press 'ctrl-alt-esc' and your mouse pointer will turn into an 'x' anything you click on will be killed [18:52] Something about staying on LTS:.. http://ideas.4brad.com/node/486 [18:53] zoredache, is there an alternative to finding process with ps -A | grep process and killing it in command line? [18:54] (After killing gui with ctrl-alt-esc) [18:54] hmm it doesn't like that command on remote desktop [18:55] does xubuntu have that problem as well? [18:55] i can only install updates half the time, really [18:56] unless i do it in the terminal [18:56] nikolam: I am not quite sure what you are asking. If you want to find kill in one step you can install 'psmisc' and then use 'killall programname' [18:58] Ah I would just like that killing GUI means that app is actually closed. [19:00] linux should have this [19:00] Eh, what should me proper procedure to initiate upgrading package of Browser I use (Seamonkey) to newer security-updated version, so that it would appear in Hardy LTS repository as updated package? [19:00] you open the system monitor, display all open windows and the ability to right click that window and select go to process. right now i don't know what the process that has the frozen update window is called. [19:00] Shoul I file security-related bug report about upgrading package? [19:01] Woo you can mostly identify it if it is using 100% cpu or something [19:01] if there is a package that has a security bug that is in the cureent distro then yes [19:02] no i can't, system monitor uses 10% and then the rest 0% [19:02] although i have 100% use due to folding@home, it isn't listed [19:02] or you can use accesories>appfinder , find an application name, righ-click it on more information and found out application name [19:03] then you can do ps -A | grep appname [19:03] and after finding process ID kill it with kill _pid_ [19:03] or kill -9 _pid_ if it won`t close [19:04] where is accessories? [19:04] also U can use killall appname like zoredache is saying. [19:04] Woo, under "Applications" [19:04] Woo, If you use Xubuntu, it is under Xfce menu [19:11] zoredache, I wuld like to learn to administer Linux/Ubuntu fully from command line (remote ssh administration) [19:11] where should i start? [19:15] I don't see any appfinder under accessories [19:22] I did a Xubuntu 8.04 alternate CD install. It is not possible to mount any usb-memory device. [19:23] The usb joystick works. [19:23] I mount usb thumb drives just fine. [19:23] On my Kubuntu Feisty the devices work. [19:24] Did you use the alterate installer? [19:24] Or the lifecd? [19:25] It shouldn't matter. [19:25] dmesg shows something about option #1 could not be chosen, or something. [19:25] Did you use the lifecd? [19:26] I can't remember. [19:26] how much memory do you have? [19:27] 1GB [19:27] Then you used the lifecd. [19:27] I'm pretty sure I used the alternative actually [19:27] cody-somerville: Could you try the alternate install CD on a spare computer? [19:28] vonhalenbach, Why? [19:28] To test, where the failure belongs. [19:28] What failure? [19:29] sorry, my english is not very good. [19:29] where the error is. [19:29] What error are we talking about? [19:30] Usb works, but i can't mount any usb-Memory-devices. [19:30]