[00:07] JontheEchidna: using intrepid as the distro series for an hardy backport is not the most efficient thing to do ;-) [00:07] * JontheEchidna must have been on crack or half asleep [00:08] hm [00:08] I know that feeling :P [00:08] lol [00:08] I'll resend the diff.gz and dsc in just a second [00:09] hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [00:09] I think [00:09] actually kdeplasma-addons' binary names [00:10] should be changed back to kdeplasmoids [00:10] or we need transitional packages [00:10] that conflicts/replaces is only going to work if the packages get pulled in by something [00:10] but since they currently aren't the conflicts/replaces doesn't have any effect unless someone installs the packages actually [00:10] a transitional package is a binary package entry in debian/control that just depends on the new package, ya? [00:11] JontheEchidna: that sounds reasonable as well [00:11] actually better [00:11] less work at backporting [00:11] JontheEchidna: why, where did you see that? [00:11] :) [00:11] uh [00:11] in skanlite [00:11] I think [00:11] yah [00:12] I forced xand3r to make a transitional package ^_^ [00:12] * apachelogger loves transitional packages [00:12] he did a nice job [00:12] much more reliable than repalces/conflicts [00:12] JontheEchidna: everyone here does [00:12] :) [00:12] that's the reason I prefer this channel over opensuse-kde ;-) [00:12] actually, the only reason :P [00:13] Oh hey, the kate icon changed for rc1 [00:14] IMO it looks tangoish [00:14] but I am only an oxygen member by love ... so my opinion doesn't care [00:14] live ain't fair, I tell you [00:14] or life [00:15] something like that at least [00:16] haha [00:16] transitional package for the libs! [00:17] the dev depends the libs, the dbg depends the libs, the mainpackage depends the libs and the mainpage depends the data [00:17] that is one nice transitional package [00:17] hooray [00:18] wait, wut? [00:19] haha! [00:19] just make a transitional package for the libs and everything else will get pulled in? [00:19] now I confused you [00:19] muahahaha [00:19] JontheEchidna: aye [00:19] ok! [00:19] I do it [00:19] * apachelogger is a kick ass sorcerer [00:20] ah [00:20] that dput didn't work too well [00:20] Uploading to notspecified (via ftp to SPECIFY.THE.STUPID.ARCHIVE): [00:22] Ok, so transitional package for the libs4 and change dist to hardy [00:22] * JontheEchidna makes dsc and diff.gz [00:23] JontheEchidna: [01:19:32] I do it [00:23] you should listen more carefully [00:23] Oh, I thought you said "do it" [00:23] omg [00:23] CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake-2.6/Modules/FindKDE4.cmake:35 (MESSAGE): [00:23] ERROR: Could not find KDE4 kde4-config [00:24] hm [00:24] oh [00:24] JontheEchidna: you exchanged the cdbs dir, right? [00:24] ... [00:24] <.< [00:24] >.> [00:24] nope [00:24] oh [00:24] boy [00:24] lewl [00:24] bad karma [00:24] really bad karma [00:24] I must have had [00:25] * JontheEchidna hits self with FTBFS stick [00:25] * vorian hands a bigger stick to JontheEchidna [00:27] hm [00:27] vorian: too big apparently [00:27] though, size doesn't matter that much anyway :P [00:28] * apachelogger uploaded ppa3 [00:28] that's what I hear [00:28] ohhh [00:28] how cute [00:28] it's kde-nightly night again [00:29] wtf [00:29] switch users logged me out :/ [00:29] how cool is that? [00:30] oh well, the new kdm theme is pretty cool [00:30] kde is blocking all the build servers iia iia oo [00:31] kde is blocking all the build servers iia iia oo aa eyyy [00:31] or was it eeeeey [00:31] KDE is taking over the world!!! [00:31] something like that [00:31] JontheEchidna: I luv it [00:31] finally [00:31] KDM [00:31] is pretty [00:31] for the first time in it's whole life [00:31] oh hey, that reminds me of a br at LP [00:32] Oo [00:32] br at lp [00:32] oO [00:32] bug report at launchpad [00:32] bratlp [00:32] way to many words with only 2 chars [00:32] me of a br at lp [00:32] mrofabratlp [00:32] erm [00:33] ohhhh [00:33] ppa3 is building [00:33] very nice [00:33] ppa3 of what? [00:33] *shrug* [00:33] oh [00:33] hold on [00:33] I should know that, right? [00:33] https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds [00:33] ohhh [00:34] these kernels!!! [00:34] grr [00:34] someone please upload something lpia mercury server is idle [00:35] JontheEchidna: do you have kdeplasma-addons installed yet? [00:35] Do you think that the new kdm theme satisfies 63287? [00:35] are you running hardy at all? [00:35] apachelogger: I don't have it installed, but I do run hardy [00:35] bug 63287 [00:35] Launchpad bug 63287 in kdebase "Login screen menu button doesn't look like a menu button" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63287 [00:36] JontheEchidna: well, perfect [00:36] JontheEchidna: https://edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+archive [00:36] add my repo [00:36] and [00:36] eh [00:36] ah [00:36] JontheEchidna: once the package is build, try upgrading [00:36] kk [00:36] * apachelogger just lost the topic right there [00:36] Konqueror kde4 doesn't happen to have the ability to not use CSS on a per domain basis does it? [00:37] ScottK: I have no idea what you mean [00:38] * JontheEchidna has to tastes his own packaging [00:38] * JontheEchidna sweats [00:38] JontheEchidna: actually your packaging pushed to perfection :P [00:38] oh [00:38] btw [00:38] JontheEchidna: what typo did you fix? [00:39] conflcits or something [00:39] instead of conflicts [00:39] sounds cool [00:39] apachelogger: FTBFS on amd64 [00:40] oh well [00:40] now did the same fault [00:40] *headdesk [00:40] though looking at the logs it gets pretty far... [00:42] well [00:42] new upload [00:42] apachelogger: Launchpad's U/I is actually reasonably usable if you set your browser to not use it's CSS. [00:42] ppa3build1 [00:42] So I'd like to be able to select a local CSS (empty one in this case) just for Launchpad. [00:42] hm [00:42] nope [00:42] In KDE3 I can select my own CSS, but only globally, not per domain. [00:42] only works on global scale [00:42] not per domain [00:43] Urgh. [00:43] ScottK: well, for kde3 there is a plugin at kde-apps [00:43] pretty much like that greasmonkey thingy for firefox IIRC [00:45] JontheEchidna: building now [00:46] kk [00:51] apachelogger: do I have to wait until the plasmoid-* packages to get uploaded to universe before backporting them to the ppa? [00:52] apachelogger: FTBFS again D: [00:53] cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/lib/kde4/libplasmaappletdialog.so': No such file or directory [00:53] eh???? [00:53] ???? [00:54] now it's getting weird [00:54] hmm, shouldn't that be /usr/lib/kde4/lib/libplasmaappletblahblabh? [00:54] bug 247393 [00:54] Launchpad bug 247393 in kdebase-workspace "[Intrepid KDE4] regression -- systray is incorrectly painted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/247393 [00:55] how did that work on intrepid?! [00:55] apachelogger: Did it work at all with the messed up debian/*.installs? [00:55] * apachelogger plames the installgen files [00:57] hm [01:00] hm [01:00] ok [01:00] JontheEchidna: sorrry, but I have to blame you [01:00] D: [01:00] what'd I do? [01:00] your install: [01:00] usr/lib/kde4/libplasmaappletdialog.so [01:00] old install: [01:00] usr/lib/kde4/lib/libplasmaappletdialog.so [01:00] [19:54:20] hmm, shouldn't that be /usr/lib/kde4/lib/libplasmaappletblahblabh? [01:00] I guess I was right... [01:01] too overzealous with kate's replace feature I guess [01:01] well [01:01] you just didn't use it properly :P [01:01] usr in intrepid == usr/lib/kde4 in hardy [01:01] intrepid install: [01:01] usr/lib/libplasmaappletdialog.so [01:01] I told it to replace usr/ with usr/lib/kde4/ [01:02] in all the install files [01:02] I did the installgen files by hand tho [01:02] well, they don't matter as far as I can tell [01:03] are the latest packages in the process of being built? my update is stopping with errors with the oxygen icons package and kdebase-runtime [01:04] yes they are built at Arby's machine ;-) [01:04] I'm mean - Are the latest packages *STILL* in the process of being built? [01:04] and Arby is sleeping [01:04] so no [01:04] and yes [01:05] they are not in the process of being built for the ppa [01:05] but they are in another way in the process of being built ;-) [01:05] * apachelogger should really start with yoga soonish [01:05] already 2am [01:05] k just wondering what was going on thx [01:06] harolddong: might take at least another 12 hours before someone gets to upload kdepim [01:06] well [01:06] maybe 8 [01:08] https://edge.launchpad.net/~jscinoz/+archive [01:08] another case of ppa loop of death [01:09] * apachelogger was already wondering why everyone is building googlegadets ;-) [01:10] and another one [01:10] https://edge.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=depwait [01:11] go go googlegadget [01:11] gogo googlegadget plasma compat! [01:11] ug [01:11] * apachelogger is getting depressed watching the build queue [01:11] plasma segfault [01:11] again [01:11] JontheEchidna: what did you do to vorian's plasma [01:12] <.< [01:12] finally we are building [01:12] JontheEchidna: you broke plasma? [01:12] not afaik >.> [01:12] [02:11:17] gogo googlegadget plasma compat! [01:12] plasma apparently didn't like that [01:12] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=859972 [01:12] that's a fun read [01:13] but ... all this leads me to my complaint about plasma being crashable by plasmoids again [01:13] apachelogger: if people wrote the plasmoids in a scripting language this'd all be not a problem [01:14] since the scripting api is sandboxed [01:14] vorian: is it segfaulting on startup? [01:14] yep [01:14] I have been running Debian since 4.1 beta1 , and I can say it's more stable though it's experimental than Kubuntu. I see every time there is an update they show up in drips in Kubuntu, and most of the time it looks like no prior testing has been done before it's being pushed into the repos. I could be wrong but it looks to me Kubuntu is really just sucking it out of Debian as they get out. [01:14] that [01:14] is [01:14] seriously [01:14] hurting [01:14] my [01:14] feelings [01:14] big [01:14] time [01:14] vorian: did you have kdeplasmoids plasmoids on the desktop? [01:14] :'-( [01:14] :'( [01:15] like we wouldn't be working our arses of [01:15] f [01:15] apachelogger: just wait til' the last comment [01:15] yah, but still [01:15] people having that feeling [01:15] makes me even more depressed than watching the soyuz build queue [01:15] :( [01:15] anway [01:16] * apachelogger hands vorian a cookie for the last comment [01:16] JontheEchidna: it builds [01:16] sucessfully [01:16] hooray [01:16] \o/ [01:16] * JontheEchidna updates [01:16] nah [01:16] not just yet [01:16] lpia finished [01:16] \o/ [01:16] next is i368 [01:16] yipppeee [01:16] *386 [01:16] * apachelogger never gets these digits right [01:16] lpia always finishes first because lpia always fails on stuff [01:16] ^_^ [01:17] good way to keep the queue short, right? ;-) [01:17] and it doesn't have the build-dep loops since it just fails anyway! [01:17] rofl [01:17] most of the time [01:20] JontheEchidna: go go kdeplasma-addons update [01:21] haha [01:21] though [01:21] that actually is kdeplasmoids-libs4 update [01:21] ah screw it [01:21] * apachelogger should go to bed earlier [01:21] The following packages will be upgraded: [01:21] kde-nightly-kdelibs [01:21] 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [01:21] mirror lag ftl [01:24] ooh, there it is [01:24] http://www.cs.arizona.edu/people/justin/packagemanagersecurity/papers.html [01:24] apachelogger: I'm not getting kdeplasma-addons-dev [01:24] I really don't think people doplying a product should do tests on the competitors [01:24] JontheEchidna: are you getting kdeplasma-addons? [01:25] just the libs [01:25] well [01:25] * apachelogger scrolls up and reads his concept [01:25] and whoa, looks like overwrite errors ahoy [01:25] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdeplasma-addons-libs4_4%3a4.0.98-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa4_i386.deb (--unpack): [01:25] trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde4/lib/libplasmaappletdialog.so.4.1.0', which is also in package kdeplasmoids-libs4 [01:26] ehm [01:26] [01:17:35] the dev depends the libs, the dbg depends the libs, the mainpackage depends the libs and the mainpage depends the data [01:26] do you see the problem? [01:26] * apachelogger uberheaddesks [01:27] * apachelogger rethinks that properly [01:28] the dev has a binary:Version dep on the libs [01:28] which means if it pulls in the dev package the lib has to be upgraded [01:28] * JontheEchidna is just about as confused as when you first proposed it [01:29] the dbg also binary:Version deps on the libs [01:29] so if the lib gets updated [01:29] teh dbg has to be updated as well [01:29] now comes the tricky part [01:29] JontheEchidna: apt-cache show kdeplasmoids please [01:30] wtf is up with scrolling in konsole [01:31] WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! [01:31] kdeplasma-addons-libs4 kdeplasmoids-libs4 [01:31] Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y [01:31] Get:1 http://ppa.launchpad.net hardy/main kdeplasma-addons-libs4 4:4.0.98-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa4 [12.3kB] [01:31] Get:2 http://ppa.launchpad.net hardy/main kdeplasmoids-libs4 4:4.0.98-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa4 [4128B] [01:31] hahahaha [01:31] oh boy [01:31] !paste | JontheEchidna [01:31] JontheEchidna: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [01:31] oops [01:32] why did it paste in konversation? [01:32] it was supposed to paste in kate! [01:32] grr [01:32] http://paste.ubuntu.com/27608/ [01:32] JontheEchidna: you should adjust your throttle [01:32] or use irssi [01:32] (the latter being superb) [01:33] hm [01:33] kdeplasmoids-libs4 [01:33] no version [01:33] that is funny :S [01:33] which means we need 2 transition packages [01:33] :/ [01:33] It seems konsole has been struck by the same bug [01:33] jonathan@jonathan-desktop:~$ apt-cache policy kdeplasmoids-libs4 [01:33] kdeplasmoids-libs4: [01:33] Installed: 4:4.0.98-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa4 [01:33] -dev causes an upgrade of libs [01:33] libs causes an upgrade of dbg [01:34] kdeplasma-addons itself causes an upgrade of data [01:34] huh, where'd by klipper go? [01:34] for some reason it doesn't autostart [01:34] since beta2 [01:34] no idea why [01:34] might be a packaging issue [01:36] oh, you +1'd my plasmoid [01:36] of course [01:37] so [01:37] guys [01:37] I have to share this with you :D [01:37] that is too insane to work [01:37] which one? [01:37] kdeplasmoids-dev transits to kdeplasma-addons-dev which conflicts/replaces kdeplasmoids-dev (<< 4:4.0.98) thus preventing file collisions [01:38] -libs4 has a binary:version dep on -dev thus gets updated, which causes -dbg to update because this got a binary:version dep on -libs4 [01:38] * JontheEchidna 's brain asplodes [01:38] hmmm [01:39] kdeplasmoids transits to kdeplasma-addons which conflicts/replaces kdeplasmoids (<< 4:4.0.98) thus preventing file collisions [01:39] kdeplasma-addons has source:version dep on -data thus causing data to update [01:39] since -libs4 -dbg and -data have a replaces/conflicts on the kdeplasmoids version of these packages they are supposed to get removed in the process of udate [01:40] this is going to be the strangest package transition ever [01:41] * JontheEchidna wonders if we'll regret this in the future [01:41] they'll go "wtf is this crap these deranged circus chimps on crack packaged?" [01:42] very likely [01:42] then onward! [01:42] yes, in intrepid+1 [01:42] vorian: honestly, we don't really need to provide a transition in intrepid [01:42] I'd do it just to see the above quoted in a changelog [01:43] as it is an in-development renaming [01:43] the "wtf is this crap" [01:43] in the change log? [01:43] bad changelog language! [01:43] apachelogger: agreed [01:44] Good signature on ../kdeplasma-addons_4.0.98-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa5.dsc. [01:44] Uploading to ppa (via ftp to ppa.launchpad.net): [01:44] there we go again [01:45] hehe [01:45] so, again, what do we do about kopete-crypto? [01:45] :) [01:46] tell everybody to encode their text messages in hex! [01:46] a23js30sjd013sdj [01:47] hm [01:47] that doesn't make too much sense to me [01:49] I think we should just update the package stdin did in revu [01:49] hm [01:49] it [01:49] does [01:49] not [01:49] work [01:50] that's why stdin is going to get it fixed upstream (hopefully) [01:50] oh [01:50] another 50 minutes pasted without yoga [01:50] apachelogger: what was the issue? [01:51] pasted is a nice word [01:51] especially in that context [01:51] ^_^ [01:51] oi [01:51] vorian: I described it sometime earlier today :P [01:51] bleh, i was at work [01:52] that's the problem with work, you usually mis the stuff that matters ;-) [01:52] ah well [01:52] haha [01:52] the cmake module [01:52] is having some kind of typo [01:52] the one responsible for finding kdepim that is [01:52] the 4.0.98 version? [01:52] which makes cmake not find kdepim [01:52] thus crypto is not going to compile [01:52] that cmake module is part of kdelibs [01:53] and Riddell didn't wanted to have it patched in kubuntu [01:53] but fixed upstream [01:53] roger [01:53] to ensure we don't break something [01:53] thanks for bringing me up-to-date [01:54] pas de problem [01:54] * apachelogger is wondering wheather one can actually say that in french [01:54]