[00:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: using intrepid as the distro series for an hardy backport is not the most efficient thing to do ;-)
[00:07]  * JontheEchidna must have been on crack or half asleep
[00:08] <apachelogger> hm
[00:08] <apachelogger> I know that feeling :P
[00:08] <JontheEchidna> lol
[00:08] <JontheEchidna> I'll resend the diff.gz and dsc in just a second
[00:09] <apachelogger> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[00:09] <apachelogger> I think
[00:09] <apachelogger> actually kdeplasma-addons' binary names
[00:10] <apachelogger> should be changed back to kdeplasmoids
[00:10] <apachelogger> or we need transitional packages
[00:10] <apachelogger> that conflicts/replaces is only going to work if the packages get pulled in by something
[00:10] <apachelogger> but since they currently aren't the conflicts/replaces doesn't have any effect unless someone installs the packages actually
[00:10] <JontheEchidna> a transitional package is a binary package entry in debian/control that just depends on the new package, ya?
[00:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that sounds reasonable as well
[00:11] <apachelogger> actually better
[00:11] <apachelogger> less work at backporting
[00:11] <vorian> JontheEchidna: why, where did you see that?
[00:11] <vorian> :)
[00:11] <JontheEchidna> uh
[00:11] <JontheEchidna> in skanlite
[00:11] <JontheEchidna> I think
[00:11] <apachelogger> yah
[00:12] <apachelogger> I forced xand3r to make a transitional package ^_^
[00:12]  * apachelogger loves transitional packages
[00:12] <JontheEchidna> he did a nice job
[00:12] <apachelogger> much more reliable than repalces/conflicts
[00:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: everyone here does
[00:12] <JontheEchidna> :)
[00:12] <apachelogger> that's the reason I prefer this channel over opensuse-kde ;-)
[00:12] <apachelogger> actually, the only reason :P
[00:13] <JontheEchidna> Oh hey, the kate icon changed for rc1
[00:14] <apachelogger> IMO it looks tangoish
[00:14] <apachelogger> but I am only an oxygen member by love ... so my opinion doesn't care
[00:14] <apachelogger> live ain't fair, I tell you
[00:14] <apachelogger> or life
[00:15] <apachelogger> something like that at least
[00:16] <apachelogger> haha
[00:16] <apachelogger> transitional package for the libs!
[00:17] <apachelogger> the dev depends the libs, the dbg depends the libs, the mainpackage depends the libs and the mainpage depends the data
[00:17] <apachelogger> that is one nice transitional package
[00:17] <apachelogger> hooray
[00:18] <JontheEchidna> wait, wut?
[00:19] <apachelogger> haha!
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> just make a transitional package for the libs and everything else will get pulled in?
[00:19] <apachelogger> now I confused you
[00:19] <apachelogger> muahahaha
[00:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: aye
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> ok!
[00:19] <apachelogger> I do it
[00:19]  * apachelogger is a kick ass sorcerer
[00:20] <apachelogger> ah
[00:20] <apachelogger> that dput didn't work too well
[00:20] <apachelogger> Uploading to notspecified (via ftp to SPECIFY.THE.STUPID.ARCHIVE):
[00:22] <JontheEchidna> Ok, so transitional package for the libs4 and change dist to hardy
[00:22]  * JontheEchidna makes dsc and diff.gz
[00:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: [01:19:32] <apachelogger> I do it
[00:23] <apachelogger> you should listen more carefully
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> Oh, I thought you said "do it"
[00:23] <apachelogger> omg
[00:23] <apachelogger> CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake-2.6/Modules/FindKDE4.cmake:35 (MESSAGE):
[00:23] <apachelogger>   ERROR: Could not find KDE4 kde4-config
[00:24] <apachelogger> hm
[00:24] <apachelogger> oh
[00:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you exchanged the cdbs dir, right?
[00:24] <JontheEchidna> ...
[00:24] <JontheEchidna> <.<
[00:24] <JontheEchidna> >.>
[00:24] <JontheEchidna> nope
[00:24] <apachelogger> oh
[00:24] <apachelogger> boy
[00:24] <JontheEchidna> lewl
[00:24] <apachelogger> bad karma
[00:24] <apachelogger> really bad karma
[00:24] <apachelogger> I must have had
[00:25]  * JontheEchidna hits self with FTBFS stick
[00:25]  * vorian hands a bigger stick to JontheEchidna 
[00:27] <apachelogger> hm
[00:27] <apachelogger> vorian: too big apparently
[00:27] <apachelogger> though, size doesn't matter that much anyway :P
[00:28]  * apachelogger uploaded ppa3
[00:28] <vorian> that's what I hear
[00:28] <apachelogger> ohhh
[00:28] <apachelogger> how cute
[00:28] <apachelogger> it's kde-nightly night again
[00:29] <JontheEchidna> wtf
[00:29] <JontheEchidna> switch users logged me out :/
[00:29] <JontheEchidna> how cool is that?
[00:30] <JontheEchidna> oh well, the new kdm theme is pretty cool
[00:30] <apachelogger> kde is blocking all the build servers iia iia oo
[00:31] <apachelogger> kde is blocking all the build servers iia iia oo aa eyyy
[00:31] <apachelogger> or was it eeeeey
[00:31] <JontheEchidna> KDE is taking over the world!!!
[00:31] <apachelogger> something like that
[00:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I luv it
[00:31] <apachelogger> finally
[00:31] <apachelogger> KDM
[00:31] <apachelogger> is pretty
[00:31] <apachelogger> for the first time in it's whole life
[00:31] <JontheEchidna> oh hey, that reminds me of a br at LP
[00:32] <apachelogger> Oo
[00:32] <apachelogger> br at lp
[00:32] <vorian> oO
[00:32] <JontheEchidna> bug report at launchpad
[00:32] <vorian> bratlp
[00:32] <apachelogger> way to many words with only 2 chars
[00:32] <apachelogger> me of a br at lp
[00:32] <vorian> mrofabratlp
[00:32] <vorian> erm
[00:33] <apachelogger> ohhhh
[00:33] <apachelogger> ppa3 is building
[00:33] <apachelogger> very nice
[00:33] <JontheEchidna> ppa3 of what?
[00:33] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[00:33] <apachelogger> oh
[00:33] <apachelogger> hold on
[00:33] <apachelogger> I should know that, right?
[00:33] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds
[00:33] <apachelogger> ohhh
[00:34] <apachelogger> these kernels!!!
[00:34] <JontheEchidna> grr
[00:34] <apachelogger> someone please upload something lpia mercury server is idle
[00:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do you have kdeplasma-addons installed yet?
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> Do you think that the new kdm theme satisfies 63287?
[00:35] <apachelogger> are you running hardy at all?
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I don't have it installed, but I do run hardy
[00:35] <apachelogger> bug 63287
[00:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, perfect
[00:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: https://edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+archive
[00:36] <apachelogger> add my repo
[00:36] <apachelogger> and
[00:36] <apachelogger> eh
[00:36] <apachelogger> ah
[00:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: once the package is build, try upgrading
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> kk
[00:36]  * apachelogger just lost the topic right there
[00:36] <ScottK> Konqueror kde4 doesn't happen to have the ability to not use CSS on a per domain basis does it?
[00:37] <apachelogger> ScottK: I have no idea what you mean
[00:38]  * JontheEchidna has to tastes his own packaging
[00:38]  * JontheEchidna sweats
[00:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: actually your packaging pushed to perfection :P
[00:38] <apachelogger> oh
[00:38] <apachelogger> btw
[00:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what typo did you fix?
[00:39] <JontheEchidna> conflcits or something
[00:39] <JontheEchidna> instead of conflicts
[00:39] <apachelogger> sounds cool
[00:39] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: FTBFS on amd64
[00:40] <apachelogger> oh well
[00:40] <apachelogger> now did the same fault
[00:40] <apachelogger> *headdesk
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> though looking at the logs it gets pretty far...
[00:42] <apachelogger> well
[00:42] <apachelogger> new upload
[00:42] <ScottK> apachelogger: Launchpad's U/I is actually reasonably usable if you set your browser to not use it's CSS.
[00:42] <apachelogger> ppa3build1
[00:42] <ScottK> So I'd like to be able to select a local CSS (empty one in this case) just for Launchpad.
[00:42] <apachelogger> hm
[00:42] <apachelogger> nope
[00:42] <ScottK> In KDE3 I can select my own CSS, but only globally, not per domain.
[00:42] <apachelogger> only works on global scale
[00:42] <apachelogger> not per domain
[00:43] <ScottK> Urgh.
[00:43] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, for kde3 there is a plugin at kde-apps
[00:43] <apachelogger> pretty much like that greasmonkey thingy for firefox IIRC
[00:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: building now
[00:46] <JontheEchidna> kk
[00:51] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: do I have to wait until the plasmoid-* packages to get uploaded to universe before backporting them to the ppa?
[00:52] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: FTBFS again D:
[00:53] <apachelogger> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/lib/kde4/libplasmaappletdialog.so': No such file or directory
[00:53] <apachelogger> eh????
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> ????
[00:54] <apachelogger> now it's getting weird
[00:54] <JontheEchidna> hmm, shouldn't that be /usr/lib/kde4/lib/libplasmaappletblahblabh?
[00:54] <vorian> bug 247393
[00:55] <apachelogger> how did that work on intrepid?!
[00:55] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: Did it work at all with the messed up debian/*.installs?
[00:55]  * apachelogger plames the installgen files
[00:57] <apachelogger> hm
[01:00] <apachelogger> hm
[01:00] <apachelogger> ok
[01:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: sorrry, but I have to blame you
[01:00] <JontheEchidna> D:
[01:00] <JontheEchidna> what'd I do?
[01:00] <apachelogger> your install:
[01:00] <apachelogger> usr/lib/kde4/libplasmaappletdialog.so
[01:00] <apachelogger> old install:
[01:00] <apachelogger> usr/lib/kde4/lib/libplasmaappletdialog.so
[01:00] <JontheEchidna> [19:54:20] <JontheEchidna> hmm, shouldn't that be /usr/lib/kde4/lib/libplasmaappletblahblabh?
[01:00] <JontheEchidna> I guess I was right...
[01:01] <JontheEchidna> too overzealous with kate's replace feature I guess
[01:01] <apachelogger> well
[01:01] <apachelogger> you just didn't use it properly :P
[01:01] <apachelogger> usr in intrepid == usr/lib/kde4 in hardy
[01:01] <apachelogger> intrepid install:
[01:01] <apachelogger> usr/lib/libplasmaappletdialog.so
[01:01] <JontheEchidna> I told it to replace usr/ with usr/lib/kde4/
[01:02] <JontheEchidna> in all the install files
[01:02] <JontheEchidna> I did the installgen files by hand tho
[01:02] <apachelogger> well, they don't matter as far as I can tell
[01:03] <harolddong> are the latest packages in the process of being built?  my update is stopping with errors with the oxygen icons package and kdebase-runtime
[01:04] <apachelogger> yes they are built at Arby's machine ;-)
[01:04] <harolddong> I'm mean - Are the latest packages *STILL* in the process of being built?
[01:04] <apachelogger> and Arby is sleeping
[01:04] <apachelogger> so no
[01:04] <apachelogger> and yes
[01:05] <apachelogger> they are not in the process of being built for the ppa
[01:05] <apachelogger> but they are in another way in the process of being built ;-)
[01:05]  * apachelogger should really start with yoga soonish
[01:05] <apachelogger> already 2am
[01:05] <harolddong> k just wondering what was going on thx
[01:06] <apachelogger> harolddong: might take at least another 12 hours before someone gets to upload kdepim
[01:06] <apachelogger> well
[01:06] <apachelogger> maybe 8
[01:08] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/~jscinoz/+archive
[01:08] <apachelogger> another case of ppa loop of death
[01:09]  * apachelogger was already wondering why everyone is building googlegadets ;-)
[01:10] <apachelogger> and another one
[01:10] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=depwait
[01:11] <vorian> go go googlegadget
[01:11] <JontheEchidna> gogo googlegadget plasma compat!
[01:11] <vorian> ug
[01:11]  * apachelogger is getting depressed watching the build queue
[01:11] <vorian> plasma segfault
[01:11] <vorian> again
[01:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what did you do to vorian's plasma
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> <.<
[01:12] <apachelogger> finally we are building
[01:12] <vorian> JontheEchidna: you broke plasma?
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> not afaik >.>
[01:12] <apachelogger> [02:11:17] <JontheEchidna> gogo googlegadget plasma compat!
[01:12] <apachelogger> plasma apparently didn't like that
[01:12] <vorian> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=859972
[01:12] <vorian> that's a fun read
[01:13] <apachelogger> but ... all this leads me to my complaint about plasma being crashable by plasmoids again
[01:13] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: if people wrote the plasmoids in a scripting language this'd all be not a problem
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> since the scripting api is sandboxed
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> vorian: is it segfaulting on startup?
[01:14] <vorian> yep
[01:14] <apachelogger> I have been running Debian since 4.1 beta1 , and I can say it's more stable though it's experimental than Kubuntu. I see every time there is an update they show up in drips in Kubuntu, and most of the time it looks like no prior testing has been done before it's being pushed into the repos. I could be wrong but it looks to me Kubuntu is really just sucking it out of Debian as they get out.
[01:14] <apachelogger> that
[01:14] <apachelogger> is
[01:14] <apachelogger> seriously
[01:14] <apachelogger> hurting
[01:14] <apachelogger> my
[01:14] <apachelogger> feelings
[01:14] <apachelogger> big
[01:14] <apachelogger> time
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> vorian: did you have kdeplasmoids plasmoids on the desktop?
[01:14] <apachelogger> :'-(
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> :'(
[01:15] <apachelogger> like we wouldn't be working our arses of
[01:15] <apachelogger> f
[01:15] <vorian> apachelogger: just wait til' the last comment
[01:15] <apachelogger> yah, but still
[01:15] <apachelogger> people having that feeling
[01:15] <apachelogger> makes me even more depressed than watching the soyuz build queue
[01:15] <vorian> :(
[01:15] <apachelogger> anway
[01:16]  * apachelogger hands vorian a cookie for the last comment
[01:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: it builds
[01:16] <apachelogger> sucessfully
[01:16] <apachelogger> hooray
[01:16] <apachelogger> \o/
[01:16]  * JontheEchidna updates
[01:16] <apachelogger> nah
[01:16] <apachelogger> not just yet
[01:16] <apachelogger> lpia finished
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[01:16] <apachelogger> next is i368
[01:16] <vorian> yipppeee
[01:16] <apachelogger> *386
[01:16]  * apachelogger never gets these digits right
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> lpia always finishes first because lpia always fails on stuff
[01:16] <apachelogger> ^_^
[01:17] <apachelogger> good way to keep the queue short, right? ;-)
[01:17] <JontheEchidna> and it doesn't have the build-dep loops since it just fails anyway!
[01:17] <apachelogger> rofl
[01:17] <JontheEchidna> most of the time
[01:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: go go kdeplasma-addons update
[01:21] <vorian> haha
[01:21] <apachelogger> though
[01:21] <apachelogger> that actually is kdeplasmoids-libs4 update
[01:21] <apachelogger> ah screw it
[01:21]  * apachelogger should go to bed earlier
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> The following packages will be upgraded:
[01:21] <JontheEchidna>   kde-nightly-kdelibs
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> mirror lag ftl
[01:24] <JontheEchidna> ooh, there it is
[01:24] <apachelogger> http://www.cs.arizona.edu/people/justin/packagemanagersecurity/papers.html
[01:24] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I'm not getting kdeplasma-addons-dev
[01:24] <apachelogger> I really don't think people doplying a product should do tests on the competitors
[01:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are you getting kdeplasma-addons?
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> just the libs
[01:25] <apachelogger> well
[01:25]  * apachelogger scrolls up and reads his concept
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> and whoa, looks like overwrite errors ahoy
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdeplasma-addons-libs4_4%3a4.0.98-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa4_i386.deb (--unpack):
[01:25] <JontheEchidna>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde4/lib/libplasmaappletdialog.so.4.1.0', which is also in package kdeplasmoids-libs4
[01:26] <apachelogger> ehm
[01:26] <apachelogger> [01:17:35] <apachelogger> the dev depends the libs, the dbg depends the libs, the mainpackage depends the libs and the mainpage depends the data
[01:26] <apachelogger> do you see the problem?
[01:26]  * apachelogger uberheaddesks
[01:27]  * apachelogger rethinks that properly
[01:28] <apachelogger> the dev has a binary:Version dep on the libs
[01:28] <apachelogger> which means if it pulls in the dev package the lib has to be upgraded
[01:28]  * JontheEchidna is just about as confused as when you first proposed it
[01:29] <apachelogger> the dbg also binary:Version deps on the libs
[01:29] <apachelogger> so if the lib gets updated
[01:29] <apachelogger> teh dbg has to be updated as well
[01:29] <apachelogger> now comes the tricky part
[01:29] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: apt-cache show kdeplasmoids please
[01:30] <JontheEchidna> wtf is up with scrolling in konsole
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[01:31] <JontheEchidna>   kdeplasma-addons-libs4 kdeplasmoids-libs4
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> Get:1 http://ppa.launchpad.net hardy/main kdeplasma-addons-libs4 4:4.0.98-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa4 [12.3kB]
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> Get:2 http://ppa.launchpad.net hardy/main kdeplasmoids-libs4 4:4.0.98-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa4 [4128B]
[01:31] <vorian> hahahaha
[01:31] <apachelogger> oh boy
[01:31] <vorian> !paste | JontheEchidna
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> oops
[01:32] <JontheEchidna> why did it paste in konversation?
[01:32] <JontheEchidna> it was supposed to paste in kate!
[01:32] <JontheEchidna> grr
[01:32] <JontheEchidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com/27608/
[01:32] <vorian> JontheEchidna: you should adjust your throttle
[01:32] <vorian> or use irssi
[01:32] <vorian> (the latter being superb)
[01:33] <apachelogger> hm
[01:33] <apachelogger> kdeplasmoids-libs4
[01:33] <apachelogger> no version
[01:33] <apachelogger> that is funny :S
[01:33] <apachelogger> which means we need 2 transition packages
[01:33] <vorian> :/
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> It seems konsole has been struck by the same bug
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> jonathan@jonathan-desktop:~$ apt-cache policy kdeplasmoids-libs4
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> kdeplasmoids-libs4:
[01:33] <JontheEchidna>   Installed: 4:4.0.98-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa4
[01:33] <apachelogger> -dev causes an upgrade of libs
[01:33] <apachelogger> libs causes an upgrade of dbg
[01:34] <apachelogger> kdeplasma-addons itself causes an upgrade of data
[01:34] <JontheEchidna> huh, where'd by klipper go?
[01:34] <apachelogger> for some reason it doesn't autostart
[01:34] <apachelogger> since beta2
[01:34] <apachelogger> no idea why
[01:34] <apachelogger> might be a packaging issue
[01:36] <vorian> oh, you +1'd my plasmoid
[01:36] <apachelogger> of course
[01:37] <apachelogger> so
[01:37] <apachelogger> guys
[01:37] <apachelogger> I have to share this with you :D
[01:37] <apachelogger> that is too insane to work
[01:37] <vorian> which one?
[01:37] <apachelogger> kdeplasmoids-dev transits to kdeplasma-addons-dev which conflicts/replaces kdeplasmoids-dev (<< 4:4.0.98) thus preventing file collisions
[01:38] <apachelogger> -libs4 has a binary:version dep on -dev thus gets updated, which causes -dbg to update because this got a binary:version dep on -libs4
[01:38]  * JontheEchidna 's brain asplodes
[01:38] <vorian> hmmm
[01:39] <apachelogger> kdeplasmoids transits to kdeplasma-addons which conflicts/replaces kdeplasmoids  (<< 4:4.0.98) thus preventing file collisions
[01:39] <apachelogger> kdeplasma-addons has source:version dep on -data thus causing data to update
[01:39] <apachelogger> since -libs4 -dbg and -data have a replaces/conflicts on the kdeplasmoids version of these packages they are supposed to get removed in the process of udate
[01:40] <apachelogger> this is going to be the strangest package transition ever
[01:41]  * JontheEchidna wonders if we'll regret this in the future
[01:41] <JontheEchidna> they'll go "wtf is this crap these deranged circus chimps on crack packaged?"
[01:42] <apachelogger> very likely
[01:42] <JontheEchidna> then onward!
[01:42] <vorian> yes, in intrepid+1
[01:42] <apachelogger> vorian: honestly, we don't really need to provide a transition in intrepid
[01:42] <JontheEchidna> I'd do it just to see the above quoted in a changelog
[01:43] <apachelogger> as it is an in-development renaming
[01:43] <jjesse> the "wtf is this crap"
[01:43] <jjesse> in the change log?
[01:43] <apachelogger> bad changelog language!
[01:43] <vorian> apachelogger: agreed
[01:44] <apachelogger> Good signature on ../kdeplasma-addons_4.0.98-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa5.dsc.
[01:44] <apachelogger> Uploading to ppa (via ftp to ppa.launchpad.net):
[01:44] <apachelogger> there we go again
[01:45] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[01:45] <vorian> so, again, what do we do about kopete-crypto?
[01:45] <vorian> :)
[01:46] <JontheEchidna> tell everybody to encode their text messages in hex!
[01:46] <vorian> a23js30sjd013sdj
[01:47] <apachelogger> hm
[01:47] <apachelogger> that doesn't make too much sense to me
[01:49] <vorian> I think we should just update the package stdin did in revu
[01:49] <apachelogger> hm
[01:49] <apachelogger> it
[01:49] <apachelogger> does
[01:49] <apachelogger> not
[01:49] <apachelogger> work
[01:50] <apachelogger> that's why stdin is going to get it fixed upstream (hopefully)
[01:50] <apachelogger> oh
[01:50] <apachelogger> another 50 minutes pasted without yoga
[01:50] <vorian> apachelogger: what was the issue?
[01:51] <apachelogger> pasted is a nice word
[01:51] <apachelogger> especially in that context
[01:51] <apachelogger> ^_^
[01:51] <apachelogger> oi
[01:51] <apachelogger> vorian: I described it sometime earlier today :P
[01:51] <vorian> bleh, i was at work
[01:52] <apachelogger> that's the problem with work, you usually mis the stuff that matters ;-)
[01:52] <apachelogger> ah well
[01:52] <vorian> haha
[01:52] <apachelogger> the cmake module
[01:52] <apachelogger> is having some kind of typo
[01:52] <apachelogger> the one responsible for finding kdepim that is
[01:52] <vorian> the 4.0.98 version?
[01:52] <apachelogger> which makes cmake not find kdepim
[01:52] <apachelogger> thus crypto is not going to compile
[01:52] <apachelogger> that cmake module is part of kdelibs
[01:53] <apachelogger> and Riddell didn't wanted to have it patched in kubuntu
[01:53] <apachelogger> but fixed upstream
[01:53] <vorian> roger
[01:53] <apachelogger> to ensure we don't break something
[01:53] <vorian> thanks for bringing me up-to-date
[01:54] <apachelogger> pas de problem
[01:54]  * apachelogger is wondering wheather one can actually say that in french
[01:54] <apachelogger> where are the french guys when you need one :S
[01:54] <vorian> ne problem pas
[01:55]  * apachelogger prefers slang
[01:56] <vorian> werd
[01:56] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: get ready
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> k
[01:56] <jjesse> there is nothing better in the world then your 3 week son falling asleep on your shoulder as he curls up and snuggles next to your head
[01:57] <apachelogger> hm
[01:58] <apachelogger> jjesse: I think falling asleep next to a beer barrel is better ;-)
[01:59] <apachelogger> hm
[01:59] <apachelogger> it's 2:59
[01:59] <jjesse> apachelogger: i would disagrre but thats ok w/ me
[01:59]  * apachelogger isn't exactly sure going to bed makes much sense anymore
[01:59] <jjesse> just sleep on a table, i hear they are comfortable
[01:59] <JontheEchidna> 8:59 here
[01:59] <apachelogger> :P
[02:00] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: where is here?  i take it you are in Eastern time?
[02:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: can you update already?
[02:00] <JontheEchidna> New Hampshire, USA
[02:00]  * jjesse is in michigan usa
[02:00]  * JontheEchidna is apt-get updating
[02:01] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: kdeplasmoids-libs4 updated and kdeplasma-addons-libs4 got installed
[02:02] <JontheEchidna> oh, here comes the rest
[02:02] <JontheEchidna> had to update again
[02:02] <JontheEchidna> oh wait? addons-libs4 just got updated again?
[02:02] <apachelogger> yeah
[02:02] <apachelogger> the first update didn't use the lastest packages
[02:02] <JontheEchidna> ah, ok
[02:03] <apachelogger> that's why only libs got updated
[02:03] <JontheEchidna> well it removed kdeplasmoids and kdeplasmoids-libs4
[02:03] <apachelogger> the question is - did it add the replacemens as necessary?
[02:03] <JontheEchidna> nope
[02:03]  * apachelogger can't type anymore
[02:06] <apachelogger> well
[02:06]  * apachelogger is uploading a save bet solution
[02:07] <apachelogger> yoga time
[02:07] <apachelogger> see you laters
[02:08] <vorian> nn
[02:08] <jjesse> buy
[02:08] <jjesse> bye
[02:44] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: ppa6 didn't pull them in either
[02:44] <JontheEchidna> it's not marking kdeplasmoids-data for removal either
[02:44] <vorian> :/
[02:59]  * JontheEchidna has to go for the night
[03:01] <vorian> nn
[03:34] <nixternal> vorian: there, finally completed the call for papers for OLF
[03:35] <vorian> yays!
[03:35] <vorian> nixternal: the OLF folks had their first meeting tonight
[03:35] <vorian> or, first of the final meetings
[03:35] <nixternal> I left options open for talks on KDE, Kubuntu, Ubuntu/Debian Development, and Community
[03:35] <nixternal> s/and/or
[03:36] <vorian> haha, That's great!
[03:37] <vorian> you are awesome nixternal
[03:37] <nixternal> probably will get denied unless Greg remembers me
[03:37] <nixternal> Greg is the big guy right?
[03:38] <vorian> yeah :)
[03:38] <nixternal> ahh, I got drunk in his bathtub :P
[03:38] <vorian> I've been volunteered to be on the speaker/presentaion committee
[03:38] <vorian> so I _know_ you'll get at least one slot
[03:39] <vorian> and jcastro
[03:39] <vorian> (who was also volunteered i think)
[03:39] <nixternal> groovy
[03:40] <nixternal> I think 2 would be great though :P
[03:40] <vorian> for real?
[03:40] <nixternal> cuz if I do 1, then either Kubuntu or KDE gets left out, and I can't have that
[03:40] <vorian> noted
[03:40] <nixternal> and then there is the possibility of 3...I mean how many Core Developers or MOTUs are gonna be there to give a dev talk? :P
[03:41] <nixternal> damn, what an ego!
[03:41] <vorian> haha
[03:41] <nixternal> damn, I have to give a talk this weekend and next weekend
[03:41] <nixternal> this weekend, I dunno what to talk about yet
[03:41] <vorian> puppies
[03:42] <nixternal> next weekend is "DocBook the right way"
[03:42] <nixternal> or Proper XML, I can't remember now
[03:42] <vorian> wth
[03:42] <vorian> what's that for?
[03:43] <nixternal> one of the LUGs
[03:43] <nixternal> and then in August is BarCamp Chicago
[03:43] <vorian> wow
[03:43] <nixternal> and one of the talks there is "Your fridge sucks as an appliance"
[03:44] <vorian> I wish colug did stuff like that
[03:44] <nixternal> make um do stuff like that
[03:44] <vorian> ja!
[03:44] <nixternal> www.syswear.com has some great t-shirts
[03:44] <nixternal> I have a few favorites on there
[03:45] <vorian> haha
[03:45] <vorian> "Overworked Employee"
[03:58] <ScottK> What is OLF?
[03:59] <vorian> Ohio Linux Fest
[03:59] <vorian> you should come!
[03:59] <vorian> ohiolinux.org
[04:00] <ScottK> Wrong side of the mountains for me.
[04:00] <nixternal> haha
[04:01] <ScottK> For me Ohio is "The place we stop on the way home from my Dad's house after Christmas if there's a big snowstorm in the mountains."
[04:01] <ScottK> Although the Air Force museum in Dayton is pretty cool.
[04:08]  * daskreech considers asploding
[04:09] <ScottK> daskreech: If that's about my Ohio comment, I'm kidding.  I'm from Kansas.  I definitely know about living a place people never stop.
[04:10] <vorian> Kansas!
[04:10] <vorian> Rock Chalk
[04:11] <vorian> :/
[04:11] <vorian> no KU fans
[04:12] <vorian> I lived in Lawrence for a while, lovely place
[04:15] <nixternal> in prison there?
[04:16] <vorian> Not Leavenworth
[04:17] <nixternal> I know Leavenworth
[04:17] <nixternal> I thought there was a state prison in lawrence
[04:17] <nixternal> seems I am wrong though...stupid Lockup on MSNBC
[04:17] <nixternal> always confusing me
[04:18] <vorian> bedazzzled!
[04:18] <vorian> lawrence is a really cool town though
[04:19] <ScottK> Both my parents went to KU.
[04:20] <ScottK> nixternal: All the prisons are in Leavonworth.  Military, Federal, and State.
[04:20] <vorian> cool :)
[04:20] <vorian> my Dad and brothers went to KU
[04:20] <vorian> I'm the black sheep
[04:27]  * daskreech shears vorian 
[04:27] <daskreech> I've always wanted a nice dark sweater
[04:27] <vorian> baaah
[04:28] <daskreech> ha ha
[04:30] <ScottK> In my Mom's family EVERYONE else went to K-State, so she was the black sheep.
[04:34] <vorian> That's one of the best rivalries in college sports
[04:35] <ScottK> So you understand.
[04:35] <vorian> oh yes
[04:36] <vorian> I got my brother a K-State chair as a gag-gift, i've never seen him so mad
[04:36] <vorian> I thought he was kidding at first, but he was really t-d off
[04:37] <vorian> We at Southwest Missouri State had no rivals
[04:38] <vorian> because nobody knows who the heck SMSU is :)
[04:38] <vorian> now known as MSU (Identity Crisis)
[04:39]  * ScottK know what that is.
[04:39] <vorian> yay!
[06:20] <Arby> morning all
[06:44] <Arby> anybody awake
[06:44] <Arby> I'm trying to backport kdepim 4.0.98 and failing with this error
[06:44] <Arby> http://paste.ubuntu.com/27646/
[06:45] <Arby> the path seems to be wrong in kdepim-dev.install but I can't work out what the right path is
[06:45] <_StefanS_> Arby: I got the same error here
[06:45] <_StefanS_> Arby: i just asked in #kubuntu-kde4
[06:46] <Arby> any luck?
[06:46] <Arby> the file it's looking for is present at kdepim-4.0.98/kleopatra/libkleopatraclient/core/command.h
[06:47] <Arby> but I can't figure where it's supposed go to
[06:47] <Arby> I think the problem is the change in where we install kde4 in hardy vs intrepid
[06:48]  * Arby looks hopefully in the direction of ScottK or vorian
[06:48] <Arby> I hoped to get this finished before I leave for work
[06:48] <Arby> (about 10 min)
[06:49] <Hobbsee> what's the
[06:49] <Hobbsee> ETA on the rest of the packages for
[06:49] <Hobbsee> KDE 4.1 RC1?
[06:49] <Hobbsee> bah.
[07:02]  * Arby admits defeat and goes to get ready for work
[07:03] <Arby> apachelogger: sorry I haven't managed to finish kdepim
[07:03] <Arby> apachelogger: the error stopping me is http://paste.ubuntu.com/27646/
[07:03] <Arby> apachelogger: see scrollback just above for synopisis of the problem
[07:04] <Arby> apachelogger: if we need kdepim before tonight someone else will have to do it
[07:04] <Arby> apachelogger: otherwise I'll try to sort it out after work
[07:04] <Arby> right now I'm out of time
[07:04] <Arby> :(
[08:36] <bdgraue> hello, i have a problem in the kde4.1rc1 with kmail. if i start konctact i get this error: http://pastebin.ca/1073114
[08:37] <bdgraue> is it a problem inkubuntu or in kde in general?
[09:01] <Riddell> hmm, this channel is highlighted but I don't know how to get konversation to tell me why
[09:07] <Tonio_> hi there
[09:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: hey, I just managed to finish the konq-plugins package for kde4
[09:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: although I'll submit it to debian first since I splitted the package a lot, in order to provide the plugins we want only
[09:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: most people want the search bar plugin but not the dom tree viewer one for example
[09:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: where does that live currently?
[09:08] <Riddell> (in svn)
[09:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: extras/base
[09:09] <Riddell> Tonio_: groovy, get it uploaded
[09:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: are you on a contribute day today?
[09:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope, but will by the end of the week
[09:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw, this time I'm back so don't worry, you can give me a few things to add to the todo :)
[09:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: I feel better, will have a new appartment soon, so let's go work on intrepid :)
[09:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: will you be at oscon ? I do
[09:11] <Riddell> no I won't
[09:11] <Riddell> kubuntu-default-settings could do with a clean out, most of the KDE 3 stuff can go
[09:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep I can handle that one
[09:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://toniox.org/temp/konq-plugins
[09:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: ig you want to review it
[09:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll try to get the changes in debian since I don't want to maintain that separate
[09:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: I still have to write the long descriptions for all the packages, I'll do that at 12
[09:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: along with kds btw
[09:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm also considering packaging kdebluetooth for kde4
[09:16] <Riddell> that would be good
[09:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: well it doesn't have an obex ioslave atm, bi problematic
[09:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: also konq-plugins is a new package, so it needs reviewing first, and also a MIR to get in main
[09:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is no more kdeaddons source package
[09:17] <Riddell> doesn't need a MIR, it came from kdeaddons so the code has already been in main
[09:17] <Riddell> 403 - Forbidden on that URL of yours
[09:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: you can refresh, should be okay this time
[09:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: still 403 - Forbidden
[09:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: this time it is ;)
[09:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: stupid scp, sorry....
[09:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've also changed the packaging name from konq-plugins to konqueror-plugins, with a transitional package
[09:35] <Tonio_> brb, restarting kde for rc1
[09:35] <Riddell> hmm, no l10n
[09:36] <Riddell> cdbs/kde.mk is old, we no longer use  -DKDE_DEFAULT_HOME=.kde4
[09:38] <Riddell> not sure about one package per plugin
[09:38] <Riddell> the descriptions are lacking
[09:40] <Riddell> I wouldn't use an epoch incase upstream decides on some random other numbering scheme
[10:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: I also noticed that klipper doesn't restore with kde session, probably cause there is no desktop file for it....
[10:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: looking if that's packaging issue
[10:11] <Tonio_> hum, nope there is one.....
[10:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'd suggest adding an autostart desktop file for klipper, although I'm not sure the lack of restoration is a local issue or if that's confirmed....
[10:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: klipper should always be started imho, btw
[10:18] <Riddell> hi Tonio_, yes that should be fixed
[10:18] <Riddell> [09:35] <Riddell> hmm, no l10n
[10:18] <Riddell> [09:36] <Riddell> cdbs/kde.mk is old, we no longer use  -DKDE_DEFAULT_HOME=.kde4
[10:18] <Riddell> [09:38] <Riddell> not sure about one package per plugin
[10:18] <Riddell> [09:38] <Riddell> the descriptions are lacking
[10:18] <Riddell> [09:40] <Riddell> I wouldn't use an epoch incase upstream decides on some random other numbering scheme
[10:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: right about the kde.mk and default
[10:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning the plugins..... well it makes sense for me to eparate them.... firefox extensions are packaged that way, also do most plugin based apps....
[10:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know about descriptions :) I'll write them today
[10:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: what do you mean by epoch incase upstream ?
[10:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: I simply don't understand what are you talking about on that point
[10:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: also the kde.mk in use is from debian (they already packaged it)
[10:25] <Riddell> well use the kde.mk from Kubuntu
[10:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: done...
[10:26] <Riddell> ignore the epoch point
[10:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki ;)
[10:26] <Tonio_> what does epoch mean ?
[10:26] <Tonio_> don't know the word in fact
[10:31] <Riddell> in the version number
[10:31] <Riddell> 4:4.1-0
[10:31] <Riddell> the 4: is the epoch
[10:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: we also have to fix the konqueror package to remove all the useless profiles, just to keep the standard file and web ones
[10:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll do that today
[10:48] <Riddell> ok
[10:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdebase uploaded
[10:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: currently building polished konq-plugins for review
[10:57] <Riddell> groovy
[10:58] <Tonio_> and then kdebluetooth4
[10:59] <Riddell> what can kdebluetooth4 do without its ioslave?
[10:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: also about konq-plugins we'll have to be very carefull if debian refuses our changes to the packaging.... cause their package may overwrite our one...
[11:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: also I really think installing all the plugins is an issue, dom tree viewer or user agent switcher is making it a mess for most people
[11:01] <Riddell> well, however you wish, I would do it as a konqeror-plugins for the stuff we want on the CD and a konqueror-plugins-extra for the stuff we don't
[11:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: you have the obex push client available for file transfert, also you have the kbluelock service, the kbluemon one etc...
[11:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: the ioslave is just another way to use obex, easier, but not necessary
[11:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep, we discussed that with apachelogger....
[11:02] <Tonio_> Riddell:  the problem in doing that is that those changes are not debian compatible :)
[11:02] <Riddell> right enough
[11:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: splitting all the plugins as fairly more chances to be accepted :)
[11:04] <Tonio_> allee: are you working on digikam-kde4 packaging ?
[11:04] <Tonio_> allee: I can help on that point too :)
[11:05] <Riddell> I think Xan3er was
[11:05] <Riddell> or whatever his nick is
[11:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki
[11:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: we have to package this too : http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/gtk-kde4?content=74689
[11:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: replacement for gtk-qt-engines
[11:06] <Riddell> we have gtk-qt-engine-kde4
[11:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: already ?
[11:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't we change the name to replace gtk-qt-engine ?
[11:07] <Tonio_> hum no, we still have kde3 apps....
[11:08] <Tonio_> hum, no we should in fact ;)
[11:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: any reason we still have both packages in the archives ?
[11:08] <allee> Tonio_: no, unfortunately much too busy.  Feel free to help.  Paul worked on it last sunday: alioth svn: kde-extras/digikam/branches/kde4/debian
[11:08] <Tonio_> allee: great, I'll have a look
[11:08] <Riddell> for kde 3 apps
[11:08] <Tonio_> allee: also as I said I did a lot of changes to the konq-plugins package
[11:09] <Tonio_> allee: will you help to have them accepted in debian eventually ?
[11:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: well it is not for kde3 apps :)
[11:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is for gtk apps
[11:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: do we want gtk apps to look like kde3 ones or not ?
[11:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw, gtk-qt-engine will not work with kde4, as the .kde/Autostart script isn't ran
[11:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: we probably just want gtk apps to look like kde4 ones and that's it no ?
[11:10] <allee> Tonio_: when I've some time again, off course I'll try to get them synced back
[11:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: mm, right enough
[11:10] <Tonio_> allee: super
[11:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I'll do the packaging transition then
[11:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: also I wonder what is the difference between gtk-qt-engine and gtk-kde4, ans which one works better...
[11:12] <Riddell> oh gtk-kde4 is just a KDE tool to edit the gtk settings
[11:12] <Riddell> not especially useful
[11:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope, it also allows to sync the theme with kde4 one
[11:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: and also deals with the icons, the way gtk-qt-engine does
[11:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: gtk-qt-engine-kde4 doesn't deal with icons
[11:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: the question is, will it break the settings for people also using gnome ? I'll have a look
[11:14] <Tonio_> and compare the 2 tools
[11:14] <Riddell> mmm
[11:14] <Riddell> thanks
[11:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum gtk-qt-engine-kde4 package seems to be broken.... I can't see anything in systemsettings
[11:35] <vorian> morning
[12:04] <nixternal> mornin'
[12:04] <vorian> yo
[12:07] <Tonio_> someone to review this please ? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=konq-plugins
[12:09] <vorian> Tonio_: sure thing
[12:10] <Tonio_> vorian: thanks
[12:26] <nixternal> hahaha, gettin' a good chuckle from the planet this morning
[12:26] <nixternal> get a virus on microsoft, or a ton of them, and you have been attacked
[12:26] <nixternal> no, you went somewhere you shouldn't have and not you got a ton of viruses
[12:27] <nixternal> s/not/now
[12:28]  * apachelogger is wondering why Arby didn't upload kdepim somewhere -.-
[12:29] <apachelogger> Nightrose: pling
[12:29]  * apachelogger is pretty tired
[12:29] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: pling
[12:29] <vorian> Tonio_: all i see, need to change original-maintainer
[12:30] <vorian> howdy apachelogger
[12:30] <apachelogger> ahoy vorian
[12:30] <Tonio_> vorian: hum true that
[12:30] <vorian> werd
[12:30] <Tonio_> anyone here knows a bit about cmake ?
[12:30] <apachelogger> <-- cmake god :P
[12:30] <Tonio_> gtk-qt-engine-kde4 ftbfs, can't understand why
[12:31]  * vorian bows and worships
[12:31] <apachelogger> Tonio_: you can't do an out-of-source-build
[12:31] <apachelogger> hm
[12:31] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I know, but whatever I try, it fails....
[12:31] <apachelogger> word war vi
[12:31] <Tonio_> even in a chroot
[12:31] <apachelogger> that game looks dark
[12:31] <Tonio_> pbuilder or so
[12:32] <apachelogger> Tonio_: the package?
[12:32] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yep
[12:32] <apachelogger> Tonio_: did you exchange the debian/cdbs directory?
[12:32] <Tonio_> yep
[12:32] <apachelogger> hm
[12:32] <apachelogger> Tonio_: what's the error then
[12:32] <Tonio_> apachelogger: even a local compilation fails
[12:32] <nixternal> what is the error Tonio_ ?
[12:32] <nixternal> haha
[12:33] <Tonio_> lemme show you the issue
[12:33]  * apachelogger is wondering why it breaks at all
[12:33] <Tonio_> apachelogger: it is a moc related problem
[12:33] <Tonio_> exactly the kind of things I HATE !
[12:33] <nixternal> Tonio_: you need to build-dep on automoc
[12:34] <Arby> apachelogger: read the scrollback, I was wrestling with it this morning
[12:34] <Arby> about 6-7am UK time
[12:34] <nixternal> automoc was separated from kde packages into its own package
[12:34] <Tonio_> nixternal: hum lemme look at that
[12:34] <Tonio_> nixternal: I already build-dep on it ;)
[12:34] <nixternal> hrmm
[12:35] <Tonio_> nixternal: btw even a local cmake . && make fails
[12:35] <apachelogger> Arby: yah, but I can't finish the package ;-)
[12:35] <Nightrose> apachelogger: plong (short)
[12:35] <Arby> apachelogger: briefly, debuild fell over because some of the paths in kdepim-dev.install
[12:35] <apachelogger> Nightrose: can you please check for updates of kdeplasmoids
[12:35] <nixternal> Tonio_: ahh, good then it isn't a packaging problem, but a gtk-qt problem :)
[12:35] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i had an update this morning
[12:35] <Nightrose> right now i am not at home
[12:35] <Arby> and I couldn't work out the correct path
[12:35] <apachelogger> Nightrose: did it work?
[12:35] <Tonio_> nixternal: I suspect the code is not compatible with kde4.1 for some reason
[12:35] <Nightrose> apachelogger: yes seems to work
[12:36] <Tonio_> not the code especially, but the cmake structure
[12:36] <nixternal> Tonio_: is this a new svn checkout of it?
[12:36] <Arby> I can fix it tonight but there's nothing I can do until then
[12:36] <apachelogger> nixternal: there aren't any changes in svn
[12:36] <Tonio_> nixternal: nope, rebuild from the old package
[12:36] <Arby> if someone can help me work out the paths
[12:36] <nixternal> ahh, fun
[12:36] <apachelogger> well, at least not very big changes
[12:36] <Tonio_> automoc4: process for /tmp/buildd/gtk-qt-engine-kde4-1.1/obj-i486-linux-gnu/kcm_gtk/moc_searchpaths.cpp failed: Unknown error
[12:36] <Tonio_> supercool issue no ? ;)
[12:36] <apachelogger> now
[12:36] <nixternal> haha
[12:36] <apachelogger> that is related to the out-of-source build
[12:37] <apachelogger> Arby: can you paste the .install?
[12:38] <Arby> not from here
[12:38] <Arby> it's on my laptop which is at home
[12:38] <apachelogger> m
[12:38] <apachelogger> hm
[12:38] <apachelogger> that doesn't make anysense :P
[12:38] <Arby> there's _literally_ nothing I can do until I get home
[12:38] <Arby> I'm at work, it's not a work laptop
[12:38] <vorian> didn't you memorize it!
[12:39] <Arby> erm no :P
[12:39] <Tonio_> Generating moc_searchpaths.cpp
[12:39] <Tonio_> moc: Too many input files specified
[12:39] <Arby> it's the path to libkleopatraclient/core/command.h that causes the problem
[12:40] <apachelogger> well
[12:40] <apachelogger> either kate replace also messed with you :P
[12:40] <apachelogger> or the path is just wrong
[12:40] <apachelogger> or the file doesn't get installed for some reason
[12:40] <apachelogger> so
[12:41] <apachelogger> who is around with a hardy + ppa4?
[12:41] <\sh> apachelogger: aehm...
[12:41] <apachelogger> ha!
[12:41]  * \sh runs
[12:41]  * \sh already updated ;)
[12:41] <apachelogger> \sh: install kdeplasmoids :P
[12:42] <apachelogger> \sh: then add my repo
[12:42] <\sh> it's my production computer
[12:42] <apachelogger> in case you already have my repo, remove it before installing kdeplasmoids
[12:42] <apachelogger> \sh: well, without new plasmoids plasma crashes
[12:42] <\sh> Get:1 http://ppa.launchpad.net hardy/main kdeplasmoids-data 4:4.0.83-0ubuntu1~hardy2 [3870kB]
[12:42] <\sh> Get:2 http://ppa.launchpad.net hardy/main kdeplasmoids-libs4 4:4.0.83-0ubuntu1~hardy2 [12.6kB]
[12:42] <\sh> Get:3 http://ppa.launchpad.net hardy/main kdeplasmoids 4:4.0.83-0ubuntu1~hardy2
[12:42] <Tonio_> nixternal: I can't even build from svn in fact.... I'd like to fix that one, but I'm affraid that's too complicated for me
[12:42] <apachelogger> making it less productive ;-)
[12:43] <apachelogger> \sh: once you add my repo try upgrading
[12:43] <\sh> apachelogger: url?
[12:43] <apachelogger> if kdeplasmoids properly transists to kdeplasma-addons I can move the package to the kde4 ppa
[12:43] <apachelogger> hooray
[12:43] <\sh> apachelogger: http://ppa.launchpad.net/apachelogger ?
[12:44] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i needed to tell it to install the package manually
[12:44] <apachelogger>  
[12:44] <apachelogger> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/apachelogger/ubuntu hardy main
[12:44] <Nightrose> i think
[12:44] <Nightrose> with your ppa enabled
[12:44] <apachelogger> Nightrose: that ain't good
[12:44]  * apachelogger is wondering why
[12:44] <Nightrose> (using adept updater)
[12:44] <\sh> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/27713/
[12:45] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pong
[12:45] <\sh> is it the result what you wanted?
[12:46] <apachelogger> nay
[12:46] <apachelogger> :(
[12:46] <apachelogger> well
[12:46] <Nightrose> apachelogger: well it showed up in the updates but didn't mark it for updating automatically (just to make that clear)
[12:46] <apachelogger> why is it kept back?
[12:46] <\sh> not builded?
[12:47] <apachelogger> frontpage says it is
[12:48] <apachelogger> maybe it's because kdeplasmoids-data doesn't have a transitional package
[12:48] <apachelogger> that would be kinda strange though
[12:50]  * gnomefreak no longer has broken or held back packages but i havent tried installing plasma stuff 
[12:51] <apachelogger> gnomefreak: delete googlegadgets from your ppa
[12:51] <apachelogger> it's contriubting to the ppa build loop of death
[12:51] <gnomefreak> apachelogger: i dont have it on mine
[12:51] <apachelogger> maybe that was someone else then
[12:51]  * apachelogger is too lazy to scroll up :P
[12:51]  * gnomefreak doesnt build google crap
[12:52] <gnomefreak> apachelogger: https://edge.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/+archive
[12:52] <gnomefreak> thats mine
[12:52] <gnomefreak> might have to remove edge
[12:53] <apachelogger> indeed, doesn't look like the one I stumbled upon
[13:06] <apachelogger> \sh, JontheEchidna: does it upgrade kdeplasmoids now?
[13:07] <JontheEchidna> It wasn't marked as an upgrade for me when I ponged you...
[13:07] <JontheEchidna> did you move to a different ppa?
[13:08] <apachelogger> no
[13:08] <JontheEchidna> (It's still marking ppa6 at you ppa as the latest version)
[13:08] <apachelogger> meh
[13:08] <apachelogger> lp is so slow sometimes
[13:08] <apachelogger> well, when ppa7 is available please try upgrading
[13:10] <JontheEchidna> ok here's a lol
[13:10] <JontheEchidna> I uninstalled everything kdeplasma-addons
[13:10] <JontheEchidna> and I'm reinstalling kdeplasmoids so I can test
[13:10] <JontheEchidna> now when I install kdeplasmoids
[13:10] <JontheEchidna> one of the deps it pulls in is kdeplasma-addons-data
[13:10] <JontheEchidna> oh, and the rest of kdeplasma-addons
[13:11] <JontheEchidna> heh, looks like it worked then
[13:11] <JontheEchidna> :D
[13:12]  * JontheEchidna is still half asleep
[13:12] <\sh> The following packages have been kept back:
[13:12] <\sh>   kdeplasmoids
[13:12] <\sh> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[13:12] <\sh> apachelogger: ^^
[13:13] <apachelogger> -.-
[13:13] <apachelogger> ok, this is bloody ridiculous
[13:13] <JontheEchidna> try dist-upgrade?
[13:13]  * apachelogger gets himself a coffee
[13:13] <\sh> apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:13] <\sh> yes
[13:13] <\sh> as always
[13:14] <JontheEchidna> lolwut? then why is it held back?
[13:22] <apachelogger> there is a transitional packages for every package
[13:22] <JontheEchidna> Hum, uh-oh guys. bug 248891
[13:22] <JontheEchidna> This guy has latest ppa kdebase-workspace and is having kdm not start on him
[13:23]  * JontheEchidna wonders how his kdm is starting
[13:24] <apachelogger> kdm: /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc
[13:24] <apachelogger> very strange indeed
[13:24] <\sh> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/27720/
[13:25] <apachelogger> \sh: that looks good, right?
[13:25] <Hobbsee> today just isn't my day :(
[13:25] <JontheEchidna> huzzah!
[13:25] <\sh> apachelogger: yes...
[13:25] <\sh> apachelogger: should it crash now?
[13:26] <apachelogger> hooray
[13:26] <apachelogger> \sh: nope
[13:26]  * JontheEchidna gives apachelogger a cookie
[13:26] <apachelogger> yummy
[13:27] <JontheEchidna> P.S. did you ever get to bed last night?
[13:27] <\sh> apachelogger: btw...what should I do with a dashboard?
[13:27]  * Hobbsee wanna cookie!
[13:28] <apachelogger> \sh: access your plasmoids
[13:29]  * apachelogger copies the addons over to the kde4 ppa
[13:29] <JontheEchidna> brb/bbl
[13:29] <apachelogger> one issue less
[13:29] <apachelogger> \sh: please run dpkg -S kdmrc
[13:30]  * apachelogger needs a hardy vm
[13:31] <\sh> shermann@wz-pc-010:~/workspace/leonov-kde/leonov-kde$ dpkg -S kdmrc
[13:31] <\sh> kdm-kde4: /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc
[13:31] <\sh> kdm-kde4: /usr/lib/kde4/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/kdm/kdmrc-ref.docbook
[13:31] <apachelogger> haha!
[13:31] <apachelogger> oh
[13:31] <\sh> fcking hell....desktop effects are working on two screens without crashing on an ati card
[13:31] <apachelogger> that was a bad merge I guess
[13:32] <apachelogger> \sh: oh, and do you know a good guide for setting up/maintaining a repository?
[13:32] <vorian> apachelogger: falcon?
[13:32] <\sh> apachelogger: depends .. apt-ftparchive (pool structure) or simple and easy
[13:32]  * vorian steps back into the abyss
[13:32] <apachelogger> poolish I guess ... I think about setting up a top secret repo for pre-release testing of KDE packges
[13:33] <vorian> falcon would be a good tool for that
[13:33] <gnomefreak> apachelogger: we have htem in Intrepid now :)
[13:34] <vorian> \o/
[13:35] <apachelogger> gnomefreak: them is...?
[13:43] <gnomefreak> apachelogger: the pre 4.1 packages
[13:44] <gnomefreak> pre as is beta or rc
[13:45] <gnomefreak> im assuming that is what you meant by pre-release testing packages
[13:47] <apachelogger> gnomefreak: pre-pre-release
[13:49] <gnomefreak> ah
[13:49] <apachelogger> vorian: I find the name rather stupid
[13:50] <apachelogger> falcon is also an entertainment company of that special kind ;-)
[13:52] <vorian> apachelogger: oh really?
[13:53] <apachelogger> vorian: ask the allknowing wikipedia
[13:53] <vorian> no, but thanks!
[13:53] <apachelogger> ;-)
[13:53] <vorian> i'll take your word for it
[13:54] <JontheEchidna> falcon entertainment?
[13:54] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: aye
[13:54]  * JontheEchidna is sorry he asked the allknowing wikipedia
[13:54] <JontheEchidna> lol
[13:54] <apachelogger> lol
[13:56]  * JontheEchidna tries to think up of a good sekret codename
[14:00] <vorian> hmm
[14:00] <vorian> i don't see a plasma segfault bug in -workspace
[14:01] <apachelogger> hm
[14:01] <apachelogger> an own server for the repo would be cool
[14:04] <vorian> what will you call it?
[14:08] <apachelogger> vorian: the repo?
[14:08] <vorian> yes, it has to have a shiny name
[14:08] <vorian> magical-wonerland
[14:09] <vorian> the-city-dump
[14:09] <apachelogger> KDE-Pre-Pre-Release-B0rkage
[14:09] <vorian> haha
[14:09] <apachelogger> hm
[14:10] <apachelogger> installing that on a gentoo box is going to be fun
[14:10] <vorian> is bug 249034 a dupe?
[14:10] <vorian> gentooooo
[14:11] <quassel251> hmm, quassel is quite scary
[14:11] <apachelogger> hey Riddell
[14:11] <apachelogger> vorian: fixed with latest kdeplasma-addons
[14:14] <Riddell> better
[14:15] <JontheEchidna> btw, how is this plasma-appletsrc? http://paste.ubuntu.com/27731/
[14:15] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: did you say something yesterday about not liking the device notifier on the left?
[14:15] <Riddell> Tonio_: poke, kdesudo-kde4 is reported to not work
[14:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: already told him
[14:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: known issue ;)
[14:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: aye, awful it is
[14:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll probably commit the new version toonight
[14:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: along with the kdesudo-kde4 kdesudo packaging transition
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: you think it should stay at the right of the launcher?
[14:16] <Riddell> ok, thanks
[14:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: and the appletsrc is defining geometry values which is giong to cause problems I guess
[14:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: konqueror-plugins is in NEW
[14:16] <\sh> apachelogger: already made a backport to hardy for new quassel ?
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> oh
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[14:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: I got it reviewed and uploaded
[14:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: launcher - quickacces - media
[14:17] <apachelogger> \sh: nope
[14:17] <apachelogger> I actually told jussi01
[14:17] <apachelogger> poke him :P
[14:17] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I was going to wait until quickaccess was actually a package to put that in there
[14:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: also gtk-qt-engines needs rebuild for /usr and ftbfs, I haven't been able to understand the issue (unknown moc error)
[14:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: same problem with local compilation within svn btw...
[14:22] <apachelogger> lol
[14:22] <apachelogger> I actually fixed the out-of-source building
[14:22]  * apachelogger didn't even remember ;-)
[14:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: apparantly there's a problem with kdesudo-kde4 currently where it doesn't connect to the X server, this is an X problem that's being fixed
[14:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: XAUTHORITY issue
[14:25] <Riddell> dunno
[14:25] <Riddell> bryce is looking at it
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> did my quit message say why I quit?
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> My session was killed when I started a new one
[14:25] <apachelogger> read errr 104
[14:26] <apachelogger> connection reset by peer
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> *sigh*
[14:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: maybe the network connection got dropped?
[14:26] <apachelogger> by knetworkmanager
[14:26] <vorian> [n=jonathan@unaffiliated/jontheechidna] has quit [K-Lined]
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> yeah, because it logged me out when I started a new session as a different user
[14:27] <JontheEchidna> oh hey that reminds me, new knetworkmanager to test
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> without geometry the applets don't get ordered right in the panel. :(
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> ugh, this is a pain
[14:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: these were the problems I was talking about
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> so then what determines the order...?
[14:33]  * JontheEchidna ponders
[14:33] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[14:37] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I've done some tests
[14:37] <JontheEchidna> I saved a plasma-appletsrc file with geometry
[14:37] <JontheEchidna> quit plasma
[14:37] <JontheEchidna> lowered screen res
[14:37] <JontheEchidna> and then started plasma
[14:37] <JontheEchidna> no problems, I think plasma auto-adjusts
[14:38] <JontheEchidna> oh, but if you set the resolution higer again...
[14:38] <JontheEchidna> you get a non-full width panel :/
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> solution: set the panel width insanely high
[14:39] <apachelogger> can never be high enough
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> not even if it's... over 9000?
[14:40] <JontheEchidna> they should just have a fullwidth option
[14:40] <JontheEchidna> would make life much easier
[14:41] <apachelogger> ack
[14:42]  * JontheEchidna tests
[14:43]  * apachelogger compiles a python stack for falcon
[14:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: /usr/bin/xauth -q -f /tmp/kdesudo-TT4636-xauth generate :0 trusted
[14:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: this is the command used by kdesudo to generate the xauthority file
[14:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: for some reason it seems to fail on intrepid
[14:44] <Tonio_> this was working before
[14:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: here is the error I'm getting
[14:44] <Tonio_>  /usr/bin/xauth: (argv):1:  couldn't query Security extension on display ":0"
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: it works with 9000 ^_^
[14:44] <apachelogger> patch work all around the place
[14:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: "Dunno"  talk to bryce
[14:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: once you have that stuff finished, please report a bug requesting improvements to plasma
[14:45]  * apachelogger hates workarounds
[14:45]  * JontheEchidna does too
[14:46] <JontheEchidna> We should be fine until computers start offering resolutions that horizontally offer 9000
[14:47] <JontheEchidna> Maybe I should file a wishlist bug @ plasma for a fullwidth option for the rc...
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> so that come 4.2 we won't have to work around it
[14:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: xorg problem with security extension, should be fixed soon
[14:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: kees looking at that
[14:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll probably have to wait for this to release the package since I can't really test atm what's going on...
[14:55] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kpackagekit.png   kpackagekit working surprisingly well
[15:04] <JontheEchidna> This is currently what I have: http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/defaultIntrepid2.jpg
[15:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: the kdesudo problem will be fixed once xorg is build.... we just tested the fix and it works
[15:08] <Riddell> phew
[15:10] <gnomefreak> JontheEchidna: yeah i hate that upper left square but you can close it
[15:11] <gnomefreak> cant remember if it was right click or there was a x to close it
[15:11] <JontheEchidna> both
[15:11] <JontheEchidna> That applet is for people with junk in their ~/Desktop folders
[15:11] <nixternal> hola compadres
[15:11]  * JontheEchidna justs removes it too
[15:11] <gnomefreak> JontheEchidna: ah
[15:11] <gnomefreak> morning nixternal
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> morning
[15:12] <nixternal> it is super hawt in the chi today
[15:13] <gnomefreak> nixternal: ill look into flash 10b2 once i figure out my key/LP/email issue
[15:13] <gnomefreak> it was supposed to happen today bt not likely
[15:13] <nixternal> flash sucks! free software ftw! :PO
[15:13] <gnomefreak> but
[15:13] <nixternal> whoa
[15:18] <gnomefreak> oh yeah forgot to tell you i found the problem last week just not sure if it is yours as well. i emailed upstream and they said that they were working on the issue and not sure when patch will be pushed into it but im guessing b3 will have it
[15:18] <gnomefreak> wmode is the problem for most of the flash 10 bugs
[15:21] <jjesse> nixternal: supposed to be 90 degrees in GR w/ 90% hummidy
[15:25] <nixternal> jjesse: yup, I feel your pain :)
[15:30] <Hobbsee> right, who should i hand over the kde4 ppa team to?
[15:30] <jjesse> nixternal
[15:30] <jjesse> hello Hobbsee
[15:30] <Riddell> Hobbsee: me?
[15:31] <nixternal> yo yo
[15:31] <nixternal> me?
[15:31] <nixternal> ;p
[15:31] <nixternal> of course it should go to Riddell, he needs more work to do :P
[15:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah, you want it?  OK
[15:35] <Hobbsee> heya jjesse
[15:35]  * Hobbsee curses launchpad
[15:35] <jjesse> Hobbsee: haven't heard/seen from you in a long time hope things are going well
[15:36] <Hobbsee> jjesse: not so great today, but otherwise, yes :)
[15:36] <jjesse> sorry to hear you aren't doing well today, but glad otherwise
[15:37] <Hobbsee> jjesse: i bricked my phone today, and the doctor messed up the needle she was giving me :(
[15:37] <jjesse> that sucks
[15:37] <jjesse> hate it when doctors screw things up
[15:37] <Hobbsee> yes, so i'm now back to a very old phone
[15:37] <Hobbsee> didn't hurt for that long, nor bleed, which was nice.
[15:40]  * jjesse doesn't like blood or needles
[15:40] <jjesse> which means i was mostly useless when my wife gave birth... had to make sure i was looking the opposite way
[15:41] <Hobbsee> haha
[15:41] <Hobbsee> yeah, that probably wouldn't be helpful
[15:42] <nixternal> jjesse: you wimp :P
[15:43] <nixternal> the needle didn't bother me, it was the extreme squeezing from my wife at the time that was worse :)
[15:43] <jjesse> dude its nasty down there :)
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> wow
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> what made xarchiver suck so bad?
[16:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: upgraded to a version of KDE 4 which uses .kde today.  kwin used the plastique border, we should maybe think about how to tell it not to
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: bug 249081
[16:21] <Riddell> I wonder if I set it to plastique myself at some point
[16:21] <Riddell> in which case, fair enough to keep it at that
[16:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: currently building kdesudo fancy testing once done ?
[16:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure
[16:23] <Riddell> testers wanted for kpackagekit   deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/jr/ubuntu intrepid main
[16:23] <Riddell> glatzor: would be intresting if you have comments on that ^^
[16:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ! I wanted to package that one :)
[16:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: what's the status of adept3 ?
[16:24] <Riddell> dunno, not heard from petr for a while
[16:24] <jjesse> there was a blog post the other day on kde planet the otehr day about it
[16:24] <jjesse> i think not much work was done on it if i remember correctly
[16:25] <jjesse> other day was sometime this week
[16:25] <Riddell> jjesse: about adept?
[16:26] <jjesse> yes about adept 3
[16:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://toniox.org/temp/kdesudo/
[16:27] <jjesse> looking right now for post
[16:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: also you have to install : http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Testing/xserver/
[16:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: otherwise, no access to xserver...
[16:28] <Riddell> wibble
[16:29] <Tonio_> kdesudo uploaded....waiting for xserver now :)
[16:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: in case you missed it, konq-plugin should be stuck in NEW, can you let it in ?
[16:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: I can't install those xserver packages, I'm on amd64, bryce says he's uploading now so I can test when it compiles in the archive
[16:30] <Tonio_> hum klipper.desktop should be broken somehow.... even alt+f2 canot find it.... weird
[16:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: ok, same for kdesudo then :)
[16:30] <jjesse> http://web.mornfall.net/blog/fast_forward.html very brief mention of adept 3
[16:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: that klipper not restoring looks like the desktop file is broken.... I don't understand why
[16:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: NoDisplay=true  ?
[16:31] <Riddell> mm, and the same file is used for autostart
[16:31] <Tonio_> yeah, I just saw that..... why ?
[16:31] <Tonio_> doesn't make sense hiding that one...
[16:32] <Riddell> well klipper shouldn't be in the menu, it's clutter when it's autostarted anyway
[16:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: well it depends if you want it autostarted or restored with ksmserver...
[16:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: we can simply patch to copy in /Etc/xdg/autostart.... that would be fine for me.... do I do that way ?
[16:33] <Tonio_> hum, no it is already autostarted.... weird...
[16:35] <Riddell> Tonio_: remove the NoDisplay patch and patch CMakeLists.txt to not install it into applications
[16:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll first test if that helps the autostart, and then will do
[16:39] <Riddell> yes, removing NoDisplay will help autostart
[16:49] <LaserJock> Riddell: openbabel has made a final release (2.2.0)
[16:50] <LaserJock> Riddell: are you going to have time to look at getting that?
[16:52] <Riddell> hmm
[16:52] <Riddell> LaserJock: is it just a sync from debian?
[16:52] <LaserJock> Riddell: should be yeah
[16:52] <Riddell> spose I could check that out
[16:53] <LaserJock> Riddell: I asked cryos about Kalzium and he said he checked that it does work with OB 2.2.0
[16:53] <LaserJock> Riddell: I can do it you don't have time, I just thought I'd check with you first as it affects you (or Kalzium) most directly
[16:54] <Riddell> I need a shoulder massage today
[16:54] <LaserJock> heh, well I can't do a lot about that
[16:54] <LaserJock> it would be a long flight to for a massage
[16:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum works...
[16:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: then we have a couple of other autostart files to patch :)
[16:56] <Tonio_>  /usr/share/autostart/kab2kabc.desktop:NoDisplay=true
[16:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: also that patch should go in kde svn I suspect...
[16:57] <Tonio_> I'll let you do that.... currently writing the patch
[17:00] <Tonio_> hum that's a kubuntu patc we added in fact, hehe :)
[17:05] <mluser-work> Will it be possible to install kde 3.5.x alongside kde4 in intrepid?
[17:06] <JontheEchidna> mluser-work: Nope
[17:06] <mluser-work> JontheEchidna: Ok.. thanks
[17:06] <JontheEchidna> The only KDE3 stuff is going to be where there isn't a KDE4 version for that software
[17:07] <JontheEchidna> brb
[17:07] <JontheEchidna> oops, wrong channel
[17:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: fyi, I'm just dropping the patch and changing klipper.install not to install the file (needs changing anyway, so no need to patch
[17:56] <Tonio_> apachelogger, nixternal: any idea of the status of the kde4 frontend for network-manager/solid ?
[19:16]  * jtechidna has backported plasmoid-weather and plasmoid-wifi for the ppa
[19:19] <Arby> apachelogger: you around
[19:19] <Arby> apachelogger: I'm to trying to defeat kdepim
[19:19] <Arby> currently stuck with http://paste.ubuntu.com/27797/
[19:20]  * JontheEchidna though kdepim was already built
[19:20] <Arby> could be, maybe apachelogger did it himself
[19:21] <Arby> I ran out of time this morning
[19:22] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, it's been built for the kde4 ppa
[19:28] <Arby> it has, oh dammit failed again :(
[19:31] <Arby> JontheEchidna: I don't see it, do you have a link/
[19:31] <Arby> ?
[19:32] <JontheEchidna> kmail-kde4 is at version 4.0.98
[19:32] <JontheEchidna> jonathan@jonathan-desktop:~/Documents/sauce/plasmoid-quickaccess$ apt-cache policy kmail-kde4
[19:32] <JontheEchidna> kmail-kde4:
[19:32] <JontheEchidna>   Installed: 4:4.0.98-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1
[19:33] <JontheEchidna> hmm, maybe I got that off apachelogger's ppa...
[19:33]  * JontheEchidna shrugs
[19:33] <JontheEchidna> brb
[19:33] <Arby> still, it's done somewhere
[19:34] <Arby> might as well go do something else then
[19:53] <vorian> NCommander: see /topic
[19:57] <NCommander> Awesome
[20:10]  * yuriy points at bug 190371
[20:19] <Xand3r> hey
[20:19] <Xand3r> intrepid builder has problem with dbus
[20:19] <Xand3r> Not creating home directory `/var/run/dbus'
[20:20] <Xand3r> complete log http://paste.ubuntu.com/27809/
[20:20] <Xand3r> please help me
[20:21] <Xand3r> apachelogger: hi
[20:22] <Xand3r> apachelogger: maybe you know something?
[20:23] <Xand3r> vorian: hi, you reported the ftbfs the first time, aybe you know why.
[20:26] <vorian> let me look at it again
[20:42] <Xand3r> vorian: thx
[20:50] <JontheEchidna> vorian: Could you review/upload kubuntu-kde4-members ppa backports for the plasmoid-weather and plasmoid-wifi packages?
[20:51]  * JontheEchidna really needs to work on becoming an motu
[20:59] <JontheEchidna> I've uploaded both to my ppa
[21:08] <vorian> JontheEchidna: sure
[21:08] <vorian> i need to get Xand3r first though
[21:08] <JontheEchidna> kk, no hurry
[21:08] <Xand3r> vorian: thx
[21:10] <Xand3r> but vorian dont hurry, take the time you need
[21:12] <vorian> thanks Xand3r :)
[21:17] <Xand3r> vorian: thank you for the help
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> vorian: currently correcting a few kinks with my packaging
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> ..and ppa
[21:33]  * JontheEchidna accidentally uploaded 0ubuntu1 to the ppa instead of 0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> ooh, I know why it's always failing
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> forgot to change over to libplasma2 as a build-dep
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> oh, wait, that shouldn't matter since it's libplasma-dev
[21:40]  * JontheEchidna realizes he'd have to upload all the build-deps to his ppa
[21:40]  * vorian looks at digicam
[21:40] <JontheEchidna> vorian: Can I just throw these up on revu?
[21:41] <Nightrose> Tm_T: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=121624041402575&w=2
[21:47] <Xand3r> vorian: thx
[21:49] <vorian> JontheEchidna: what package?
[21:49] <JontheEchidna> vorian: plasmoid-weather and plasmoid-wifi
[21:49] <JontheEchidna> backported for kde4 ppa
[21:50] <vorian> what's your lp id?
[21:50] <vorian> i'll check them there
[21:50] <Xand3r> Nightrose: nice idea!
[21:50] <Nightrose> Xand3r: not mine ;-)
[21:50] <Xand3r> Nightrose: no, but nice
[21:51] <JontheEchidna> vorian: ~echidnaman
[21:51] <Nightrose> hmm jep
[21:51] <vorian> ta
[21:51] <JontheEchidna> But I deleted the packages since they didn't build and were causing headaches
[21:51] <Xand3r> Nightrose: but i think there will be a problem
[21:51] <JontheEchidna> oh well, at least it help me catch some errors
[21:52] <Xand3r> the programms have changedm i dont think that they use the old configfile sheme
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> oh hey, the source is still there
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> http://ppa.launchpad.net/echidnaman/ubuntu/pool/main/p/plasmoid-weather/
[21:53] <vorian> Xand3r: the problem is with libpng-dev
[21:53] <Xand3r> vorian: ok
[21:54] <Xand3r> vorian: you have top tell me were you saw that
[21:54] <vorian> Xand3r: also, try to keep lines at 80 characters long if possible.
[21:54] <vorian> Xand3r: build-deps
[21:54] <vorian> not longer than 80,
[21:54] <Xand3r> thats the howl problem
[21:55] <vorian> Xand3r: for now, yes
[21:55] <Xand3r> gnaa
[21:55] <Xand3r> vorian: thx
[21:56] <vorian> :)
[21:58] <vorian> Xand3r: also libkipi-dev, not libkipi
[21:58] <Xand3r> vorian: i have here the line, wich markes 80 charachters, i have no longer line
[21:59] <Xand3r> vorian: whats exactly the problem with the libpng-dev
[22:02]  * JontheEchidna goes off to east
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> *eat
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> blah
[22:02] <vorian> Xand3r: there is no libpng-dev
[22:04] <Xand3r> vorian: ah ok :)
[22:04] <vorian> :)
[22:05] <Xand3r> vorian: thx
[22:07] <vorian> no problem
[22:07] <Xand3r> trying testbuild
[22:10] <Xand3r> update -.-
[22:11] <vorian> update?
[22:16] <vorian> Xand3r: this package will need to be fixed upstream I'm afraid
[22:16] <vorian> or
[22:16] <vorian> hold on
[22:19] <Xand3r> vorian: my pbuilder needs updatem what did you talke about upstream?
[22:19] <vorian> I'm checking something first
[22:19] <david_edmundson> hey, are there any plans to package python-kde4 for KDE4.1 RC?
[22:23] <vorian> Xand3r: where does digitaglinktree.1 originate from?
[22:23] <apachelogger> Xand3r: what was your question?
[22:23] <Xand3r> vorian: dont know what you mean
[22:23] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i had a question?
[22:25] <apachelogger> you certainly highlighted
[22:25] <apachelogger> me
[22:25] <vorian> Xand3r: the manpage your digicam-kde4.manpages refers to
[22:26] <vorian> debian/tmp/usr/share/man/man1/digitaglinktree.1
[22:26] <JontheEchidna> brb
[22:29] <Xand3r> vorian: i tooked it from the old digikam
[22:29] <vorian> where is it?
[22:30] <Xand3r> vorian: good question
[22:31] <vorian> i don't think it exists, nor do I think it's needed
[22:31] <vorian> let's see
[22:31] <Xand3r> vorian: so i remove it
[22:32] <vorian> let's make sure first, kk?
[22:34] <Xand3r> how i can search easy throo the dirs? grep digitaglinktree.1
[22:34] <Xand3r> ?
[22:34] <vorian> that would be a place to start
[22:34] <vorian> if it's in that format
[22:35] <vorian> digitaglinktree.* might be a good one to grep
[22:35] <Xand3r> vorian: kk thx
[22:38] <vorian> no problemo
[22:39] <Xand3r> vorian: grep semms to do nothing
[22:41] <vorian> interesting
[22:45] <vorian> Xand3r: did this package build for you in either your pbuilder or ppa?
[22:45] <Xand3r> pbuilder
[22:45] <vorian> does it build now?
[22:46] <Xand3r> not finished yet
[22:56] <vorian> JontheEchidna: package links?
[22:56] <vorian> nevermind
[22:56] <vorian> are they uploaded?
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> I think plasmoid-wifi got removed
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> http://ppa.launchpad.net/echidnaman/ubuntu/pool/main/p/plasmoid-weather/
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> when I deleted it
[22:57] <vorian> these are for hardy?
[22:57]  * JontheEchidna hops that isn't the one he accidentally uploaded for intrepid
[22:57] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it should be
[22:57] <JontheEchidna> let me check quick
[22:58] <vorian> found them
[22:58] <JontheEchidna> ok, the one I just linked too should be ok
[22:59] <JontheEchidna> that plasma-wifi package you see there is an old one
[22:59] <vorian> hmm
[22:59] <JontheEchidna> pre- 4.1, even
[22:59] <vorian> ut oh
[22:59] <vorian> I have to run
[22:59] <vorian> i'll be back in a couple of hours
[22:59] <JontheEchidna> ok
[23:00] <vorian> sorry
[23:00] <JontheEchidna> It's ok. :) you gotta do what you gotta do
[23:01] <vorian> JontheEchidna: are there some you have preped for the ppa?
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> The plasmoid-weather one here should be good to go as far as I can see: http://ppa.launchpad.net/echidnaman/ubuntu/pool/main/p/plasmoid-weather/
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> I changed out the cdbs with the hardy one and changed the distro in changelog to hardy
[23:03] <JontheEchidna> and set section to kde in control
[23:03] <vorian> excellent
[23:04] <vorian> ok
[23:04] <vorian> gotta run
[23:04] <vorian> I'll see about fixing wifi on the road
[23:04] <vorian> see ya
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> bye
[23:05]  * JontheEchidna tries out desktop cylinder in kde-neon
[23:06] <Xand3r> JontheEchidna: wich build deps has plasmoid-weathwe?
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> Xand3r: debhelper (>= 5.0.0), cdbs, cmake, quilt, libplasma-dev
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> Xand3r: are you packaging a plasmoid too?
[23:08] <Xand3r> JontheEchidna: but i wanted to compile it with neon
[23:08] <JontheEchidna> Oh, and some plasmoids have a build-dep on phonon too
[23:08] <Xand3r> and it didnt work
[23:09] <Xand3r> dbehelper(>=5 ) is enough i think
[23:16] <Xand3r> digikam is stil compiling
[23:20] <Xand3r> JontheEchidna: are you liing in the US?
[23:20] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, I live in the US
[23:22] <Xand3r> ok, for you is it not a problem, how can i get with the weather plasmoid information about places in Germany?
[23:23] <Xand3r> JontheEchidna: ^
[23:24] <JontheEchidna> Go to weather.yahoo.com
[23:24] <JontheEchidna> and then you have to do something
[23:24] <JontheEchidna> (just a second)
[23:24] <JontheEchidna> 1. Go to http://weather.yahoo.com/
[23:24] <JontheEchidna> 2. Type in your city, country and click Go
[23:24] <JontheEchidna> 3. Copy the 8 character location ID from the URL on the next page (ie for Hong Kong, China it is CHXX0049)
[23:24] <JontheEchidna> 4. Paste the location ID into the widgets zip code field
[23:25] <Xand3r> oh ok thx
[23:25] <JontheEchidna> you're welcome
[23:26] <JontheEchidna> ooh, new upstream release of plasmoid-quickaccess
[23:26]  * JontheEchidna forgot to let them know about the licensing stuff. :(
[23:33] <apachelogger> Xand3r: skype?
[23:33] <Xand3r> apachelogger: hmm ok
[23:38] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: Hey, quickaccess guy isn't using the lgpl files anymore :D
[23:38] <JontheEchidna> (In 0.6)
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> The only other copyright holder I see is Peter Penz too
[23:40] <apachelogger> aye
[23:46] <apachelogger> Nightrose: dpkg -S kdmrc
[23:47] <Xand3r> apachelogger: mein skype kackt ab, -.- immer diese downloads, und uploads, sorry meine inetverbindung macht da net mehr mit
[23:48] <apachelogger> Xand3r: too bad
[23:49] <Xand3r> apachelogger: oh yea u have a 51 s lag in konversation
[23:50] <apachelogger> rofl
[23:50] <Xand3r> apachelogger: thats not the solution, please say me how i can only upload the changes i mad in debian
[23:50] <apachelogger> Xand3r: are you downloading these certain videos again? ;-)
[23:51] <apachelogger> Xand3r: which changes?
[23:51] <apachelogger> huh?
[23:51]  * apachelogger is clueless what Xand3r is talking about
[23:51] <Xand3r> apachelogger:  emm
[23:51] <Xand3r> dont upload the source
[23:51] <apachelogger> Xand3r: debuild -S
[23:52] <Xand3r> apachelogger: hmm, why i dont find that via google
[23:52] <kernco> Is anyone else just getting a black screen when they log out?
[23:52] <jtechidna> kernco: nvidia?
[23:52] <kernco> yeah
[23:52] <jtechidna> yeah
[23:53]  * jtechidna has to crtl + alt +backspace to log out
[23:53] <kernco> Yeah, I can't even switch to a tty after I log out
[23:53] <Xand3r> apachelogger: thats was not the solution, it want still upload the origtar
[23:54] <apachelogger> Xand3r: then you are uploading the wrong changes file
[23:54] <Xand3r> aha
[23:55] <Xand3r> apachelogger: culd not be i deletet it
[23:56] <apachelogger> well, dunno then
[23:57] <jtechidna> apachelogger: when you get a moment, could you re-revu quickaccess?
[23:57] <jtechidna> btw, the other 2 plasmoids got published ^_^
[23:57]  * jtechidna reads up on contributing to debian
[23:57] <apachelogger> Nightrose: broken
[23:58] <Xand3r> apachelogger: kann es probleme machen wenn ich ein upload abgebrochen habe? denn jetzt will er nichts mehr hoch laden selbst mit -f
[23:58] <apachelogger> Xand3r: unwahrscheinlich
[23:59] <Xand3r> apachelogger: dput gives that back http://paste.ubuntu.com/27865/