[15:00] <barry> #startmeeting
[15:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:02. The chair is barry.
[15:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[15:00] <sinzui> me
[15:00]  * barry resets mootbot's clock
[15:00] <barry> welcome to this week's ameu reviewer's meeting!  who's here today?
[15:00] <allenap> me
[15:00] <bac> meme
[15:01] <sinzui> me
[15:01] <flacoste> do re me
[15:02] <barry> wow, it's sparse today :)
[15:02] <flacoste> salgado: ping
[15:02] <flacoste> EdwinGrubbs: ping
[15:02] <barry> BjornT, cprov ping
[15:02] <gmb> me
[15:02] <barry> EdwinGrubbs: ping
[15:02] <barry> danilo_: ping
[15:02] <EdwinGrubbs> me
[15:02] <flacoste> bigjools and cprov are sprinting
[15:03] <BjornT> me
[15:03] <barry> cool
[15:03] <flacoste> abentley?
[15:03] <intellectronica> me (but also participating in an ubuntu meeting irl, so don't expect much from me)
[15:03] <cprov> me
[15:03] <flacoste> cprov: will bigjools join?
[15:03] <cprov> I can attend this
[15:04] <cprov> flacoste: yes, he will be here in a minute
[15:04] <barry> [TOPIC] agenda
[15:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda
[15:04] <barry> == Agenda ==
[15:04] <barry>  * Roll call
[15:04] <barry>  * Next meeting
[15:04] <barry>  * Action items
[15:04] <barry>  * Queue status
[15:04] <barry>  * Mentoring update
[15:04] <barry>  * Review process
[15:05] <barry> [TOPIC] next meeting
[15:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  next meeting
[15:05] <barry> next week foundations & commercialization will be sprinting in montreal, but i suggest we still have this meeting
[15:05] <barry> so, week += 1?
[15:06] <barry> i will not be here the following week (july 30).  any volunteers to chair the meeting?
[15:06] <salgado> me
[15:06] <flacoste> salgado: is volunteering!
[15:07] <salgado> no!
[15:07] <cprov> :)
[15:07] <barry> :)
[15:07] <flacoste> well you said me!
[15:07] <flacoste> that's for being late ;-)
[15:07] <salgado> dammit
[15:07] <salgado> heh. ok
[15:07] <barry> salgado: excellent!
[15:08] <flacoste> well
[15:08] <barry> [AGREED] salgado to chair 30-jul meeting
[15:08] <MootBot> AGREED received:  salgado to chair 30-jul meeting
[15:08] <flacoste> actually i think he'll be on vacation
[15:08] <flacoste> err, leave
[15:08] <salgado> I won't
[15:08] <salgado> I get back on the 30th
[15:08] <barry> salgado: seriously though, you don't mind chairing it?
[15:08] <salgado> barry, no, it's okay
[15:08] <barry> salgado: thanks!
[15:08] <barry> [TOPIC] action items
[15:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  action items
[15:09] <barry>  * flacoste to submit bug report on cachedproperty needing to `__storm_invalidate__` (and update checklist)
[15:09] <flacoste> done
[15:09] <barry> flacoste: thanks!
[15:09] <barry>  * intellectronica to write up guidelines on check_permission in the wiki and email the ml for additional input
[15:09] <intellectronica> haven't done that yet, sorry
[15:09] <barry> intellectronica: we'll carry it forward
[15:09] <barry>  * barry to ping jamesh and stub on the testsuite2 branch
[15:09] <barry> not done
[15:10] <barry>  * barry to update PreMergeReviews
[15:10] <barry> not done
[15:10] <barry> the rest are for asiapacsters
[15:10] <barry> [TOPIC] queue status
[15:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  queue status
[15:11] <barry> fortunately, we only have 3 pink branches
[15:11] <jtv> er... me?
[15:11] <barry> the only one i don't know about is EdwinGrubbs's branch
[15:11] <barry> gmb: what's up with that?
[15:11] <gmb> barry: Let me check...
[15:12] <flacoste> leonard's branch is done
[15:12] <flacoste> i'm only lame in updating status
[15:12] <barry> 7 branches in the GQ
[15:12] <barry> flacoste: cool, i thought that was the case
[15:12] <gmb> barry: ISTR that I gave that merge-approved or merge-coditional. I obviously didn't update the branch status though.
[15:12] <gmb> barry: I'll double check and update it shortly.
[15:13] <barry> gmb: cool, thanks
[15:13] <intellectronica> oh, i reviewed once branch of mpt from the gq but forgot to move it. i'll do that now
[15:13] <barry> intellectronica: thanks.  btw, from what i understand, we may not be far from being able to dogfood all this crap in lp
[15:14] <barry> we will have to hoist some v-champagne when that happens :)
[15:14] <intellectronica> woohoo
[15:14] <barry> anything else on the queue from y'all?
[15:16] <barry> [TOPIC] mentoring status
[15:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  mentoring status
[15:16] <barry> any feedback on mentoring?
[15:16] <intellectronica> cprov is starring
[15:16] <intellectronica> b.t.w cprov, i moved my shift to friday. we should think how to coordinate working together a bit
[15:17] <cprov> intellectronica: sure, I will probably do a double shift next week
[15:17] <intellectronica> cool
[15:17] <sinzui> rock. I hope there is less to review on Fridays
[15:17] <bigjools> me
[15:17] <barry> bigjools: hi!
[15:17] <bigjools> sorry,  we had a late lunch
[15:18] <barry> i'm hoping to start getting abentley some branches
[15:18] <barry> bigjools: no worries
[15:19] <barry> [TOPIC] Review process
[15:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review process
[15:20] <barry> there's nothing on the agenda, but the ml has been pretty active :)
[15:20] <barry> any comments on the process from y'all?
[15:21] <barry> well, that's it from me.  anybody have anything not on the agenda?  if not, we can end in record time
[15:22] <intellectronica> x-platform testing
[15:22] <sinzui> x-box?
[15:22] <intellectronica> i discussed this today with mpt, following our IE6 misery
[15:22] <jtv> sinzui: x-box is a bar here in Bangkok.
[15:22] <jtv> X-Box: Bangkok's Play Station.
[15:22] <intellectronica> we'll have to make sure that we have VMs available with all the platforms we support, so that ppl working on UI development can use them
[15:23] <sinzui> I fear we need more developers with vms for macos and windows
[15:23] <flacoste> what about browsershots?
[15:23] <intellectronica> nothing more to say about that, other than that i intend to follow up on that
[15:23] <flacoste> isn't it what its for?
[15:23] <intellectronica> flacoste: browserhosts is only for public stuff, not?
[15:23] <flacoste> can't remember
[15:23] <intellectronica> flacoste: also, it doesn't help you test interactive stuff
[15:23] <mpt> flacoste, intellectronica, this is bug 174422
[15:23] <flacoste> a right
[15:24] <barry> sinzui: i think osx is fairly well covered.  i know that the warsaw's are a windows-free zone though :)
[15:24] <bigjools> amen brother :)
[15:24] <intellectronica> barry: windows is an easy problem to solve, since you can run it in a VM
[15:24] <sinzui> barry: The same is true for the Lawerence-Hovey's
[15:25] <barry> intellectronica: true... if i even had a windows license!
[15:25] <intellectronica> it might be nice to maintain a list of platforms people have available
[15:25] <allenap> I have a Windows VM <shiver>
[15:25] <allenap> It gets started twice a year for updates.
[15:25] <flacoste> windows 2000 in a vm (for doing myt axes)
[15:25] <flacoste> so boots up once a year
[15:26] <barry> intellectronica: good idea
[15:26] <barry> we should also be testing multiple browsers on multiple platforms.  certainly safari on osx. but also ff2 and ff1.5
[15:26] <bigjools> maybe IS could provide some vnc desktops to test with
[15:26] <barry> bigjools: great idea
[15:27] <intellectronica> bigjools: even that isn't so simple, because sometimes you'll need to expose a running instance you're developing on
[15:27] <bigjools> intellectronica: true
[15:27] <intellectronica> i think it will be good to turn this into two actions:
[15:27] <bigjools> but the Soyuz team has mawson, which is our own private staging :)
[15:27] <intellectronica> 1. start a list on the wiki of devs/available platforms (i can do that)
[15:28] <barry> [ACTION] <intellectronica> to start a list on the wiki of devs/available platforms
[15:28] <MootBot> ACTION received:  <intellectronica> to start a list on the wiki of devs/available platforms
[15:28] <intellectronica> 2. start a discussion on how to provide testing platforms for developers (i expect it will take a lot of time and effort to arrive at a solution)
[15:28] <intellectronica> but at least we can get the ball rolling
[15:28] <barry> intellectronica: can you send the initial email to the ml?
[15:28] <intellectronica> sure
[15:29] <barry> [ACTION] intellectronica to start the ball rolling on an email to the ml re: multiple browsers/platforms
[15:29] <MootBot> ACTION received:  intellectronica to start the ball rolling on an email to the ml re: multiple browsers/platforms
[15:29] <barry> intellectronica: thanks
[15:29] <barry> any other topics?
[15:30] <barry> okay, i think we're done
[15:30] <barry> #endmeeting
[15:30] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:32.
[15:30] <jtv> thanks barry!
[15:30] <barry> thanks everyone!
[15:30] <intellectronica> thanks barry
[15:30] <bigjools> MootBot: what timezone is that?
[15:30] <flacoste> CDT?
[15:30] <EdwinGrubbs> yep
[15:31] <bigjools> EdwinGrubbs: Santone :)
[15:31] <EdwinGrubbs> yes, the mootbot must be visiting the Alamo