[00:12] DnaX, either danilos or jtv will be able to tell you what happened. I think neither of them are around at the moment, but they should be in less than 12 hours. [00:13] emgent, it's never final. :-) Why do you ask? [00:13] ok [00:14] thanks for now [00:15] DnaX: perhaps asking a question at answers.launchpad.net/rosetta would be a good idea [00:18] mpt: i dont like it :) [00:19] mpt: I also removed from Launchpad beta testers (for now), I cant see it :) [00:20] emgent: So far you aren't the only one to come here and say that. [00:20] It doesn't appear to have mattered much. [00:23] argh [00:23] ScottK, it's been just over 26 hours. Please excuse us if some of the fixes take a couple of days. [00:24] * emgent confident in the next updates graphs [00:24] mpt: I haven't gotten the feeling that there will be fixes. [00:24] mpt: The response seemed to me to be "We did a usability study and we know this is better. You'll get used to it." [00:25] mpt: But I'm loving no CSS on my phone. I need to figure out how to do that in Konqueror. [00:28] ScottK, I'm sorry that the user testing was cited a bit misleadingly there. To have used user testing for the new designs, we would need to test much more often than we have budget for at the moment. [00:28] Right. [00:29] Well you know I think LP U/I is headed in the wrong direction and has been for some time. So far I'm not suprised. [00:29] * ScottK will get by. [00:29] So to some extent we expect people complaining about changes just because they're changes, but some of the points are certainly valid, e.g. the maintained packages list being too hard to get to, so we're fixing that. [00:30] mpt: I fundamentally dislike the concept of scattering links all over the page so it's hard to figure out where to go to do any particular thing until you've done it enough times to know. [00:30] So I think this latest design is a fundamental and significant step in the wrong direction. [00:30] Picking at it won't change that. [00:31] ScottK, what parts of Launchpad do you use the most? [00:32] I'm an Ubuntu developer. So I use package and bug stuff. [00:32] I don't use code at all. [00:32] I use blueprints a little. === barry is now known as barry-away [00:35] ScottK: the scattering bit is indeed something that makes it more difficult to use [00:35] LaserJock: They did a usability study. You'll get used to it. ;-) [00:36] until the next time it's changed maybe [00:36] it'd be one thing if it stayed put [00:36] though I don't doubt for some people the new design is more usable [00:37] but my guess is that hardcore users find it more troublesome [00:37] It has nothing to do with the usability study [00:38] But it at least gives us the *possibility* of fixing the problems where people just assumed Launchpad didn't have a feature, because it was hiding in the Actions menu. [00:39] well, I'm very much less concerned about UI than I am about "real" bugs and missing bits [00:39] ScottK, I think the process of finding a good middle-ground for in interface is taking a bit longer then expected [00:40] mpt: I like the main tabs [00:40] I just have problem with multiple rows of tabs [00:40] 3D tabs! [00:40] LaserJock, yeah, we're working on reducing those [00:40] here's one usability issue [00:41] if I'm at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/cheezburger, and I click the launchpad button [00:41] I'd expect to go back to https://edge.launchpad.net [00:41] and not https://code.edge.launchpad.net [00:41] * ScottK agrees with LaserJock. I think it'd be much better to fix infrastructure then flop the U/I around on a quarterly basis. [00:41] pygi, I was hoping to fix that yesterday, but spent all my time on IE7 instead. I'll have a go today. [00:42] mpt, :) [00:42] mpt: is there any thought on moving the tags display to higher in the bug report [00:42] mpt: I'd love to have it near the title [00:43] ScottK, agreed. The last major change was nearly two years ago. I hope from now on we can concentrate more on the small problems. [00:44] LaserJock, hmm, that would move the description further down. Are tags really more useful than the description? [00:44] yes [00:44] if a description is that long I'm gonna be scrolling anyway [00:44] if I need to see the tags I want to see it on the first screen [00:44] mpt, I'll take pygi's issue. Do you have a bug for it? [00:45] mpt: Maybe just because major stuff gets done to stuff I use a lot (like the package history page) it feels more often to me. [00:45] mpt: I'd rather you went back to pre-beta and started from there [00:45] But I need to go eat dinner. [00:45] mpt: most of the bugs I've been reading lately have had the tags below the first page [00:46] I think if you were to move the "Update description/tags" butten along with the tags up to the top of the description it'd be good [00:46] mars, if that question was for me, no, I haven't filled a bug [00:46] mars, bug 247423 [00:46] mpt: Bug 247423 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/247423 is private [00:46] ah, doesn't need to be private any more [00:46] ah, private bugs :p [00:47] ew, Not allowed pages look ugly [00:47] bug 247423 [00:47] Launchpad bug 247423 in launchpad "Difficult to get to Launchpad front page from app front pages" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/247423 [00:48] I'm queasy about making the "Launchpad" link change the tab you're on, though [00:49] That's breaking the pattern of how the hierarchy works [00:49] I think I remember fighting over a similar bug a couple years ago [00:49] :-) [00:49] ah yes [00:49] mpt, I think I'd expect to go to the homepage too instead of the app when clicking on LP logo [00:50] LaserJock, we've had a problem with commit messages, but if we hadn't, I would have marked that bug fixed a few days ago :-) [00:50] one moment [00:50] I just find that a lot of the time I click on things in Launchpad and it takes me unexpected places [00:50] bug 224833 [00:50] Launchpad bug 224833 in launchpad "Navigating from a project bug list back to all bugs is difficult." [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/224833 [00:51] soren, that bug's fixed now [00:51] er, *so* that bug's fixed now [00:51] Making "Launchpad" go back to the Launchpad front page would unfix it. [00:51] beuno, ++ [00:52] I'd really love to see a "this is how we designed Launchpad to work" doc [00:52] if I could figure how the thinking/philosophy behind it I think I'd make better clicking choices :-) [00:52] then we could argue, and tell you what you did wrong :p [00:52] mpt: where are the drop down menus? [00:53] mpt: are they gone for good? [00:53] mpt: because it isn't obvious from the front page where to create a team [00:53] thumper, that's fixed in mainline [00:53] mpt: which is in the "registry" but that page goes to /projects [00:53] mpt, well, you can click on the "bugs" tab, and that would take you back to all bugs. Navigation does need some deep discussion though... [00:54] beuno, click on the "bugs" tab from where? [00:54] Remember that the Launchpad front page is (at least currently) one of the least useful pages on the site. [00:54] mpt, right. Just read it through, ignore me :) [00:55] It seems much more likely that someone is going to want to go back to https://code.launchpad.net/ or https://bugs.launchpad.net/ than to https://launchpad.net/ [00:55] bugs.lp.net is pretty useless too [00:55] True, but at least it has a workable search [00:55] I want it to go to launchpad.net [00:55] if I click on Ubuntu I expect to go to launchpad.net/ubuntu [00:55] yes, and let's not even get into search now :) [00:55] not *.launchpad.net/ubuntu [00:56] yes [00:56] LaserJock, agreed on that [00:56] mars, now *that* you could fix [00:57] though it would be nice to have an easy way to get to bugs.lp.net/ubuntu from a bug page [00:57] Ah, I have a cunning plan to fix that [00:57] it's just that when I click on "Ubuntu" I expect the main ubuntu page [00:57] but I *also* want *.lp.net/ubuntu available [00:58] basically I want my cake and eat it too :p [00:58] I know a lot of people like navigate-via-URL but I really do prefer clicking [01:00] mpt: is there a reason why I can't search for source packages from bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu like I can from launchpad.net/ubuntu ? [01:01] any why in heaven's name is Release Critical bugs below the gigantic Tags list on bugs.lp.net/ubuntu ? [01:01] I'd never find it there [01:02] LaserJock, no, it's just that those pages haven't been designed yet [01:02] (by "those pages" I mean the main Bugs page for a project) [01:03] I see [01:03] "Key Contacts" is also a bit weird in Ubuntu's case at least [01:04] only 1 out of 3 are really contactable entities [01:06] wow, so PPAs have now reached the size of Main :-) [01:07] mpt: do you happen to know if there's anything in the work on Mentoring? is it going to go the way of the calendar? :-) [01:08] LaserJock, no idea [01:14] mpt: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/38517 [01:14] please take a look [01:15] Is it normal that the new, horizontal browse-tabs, dissappear on the https://edge.launchpad.net/~user/+activate-ppa page? Because it stays for Profile / Related Software / Karma... [01:15] mpt: only sabdfl (registry team admin) and launchpad-admin can remove my team. Can you remove it? [01:17] emgent, no, sorry, I'm not a Launchpad admin [01:19] pep, it's "normal" as in it always happens, but it's not "normal" as in desired. It's bug 246728. [01:19] Launchpad bug 246728 in launchpad "The Personal Package Archive actions menu should be removed" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/246728 [01:19] mpt: ok, I should have looked for a bug. [01:20] Rinchen: can you take a look ? [01:20] mpt: ok np thanks :) [01:20] Rinchen's off for the evening [01:20] argh ok. [01:20] i will wait. [01:58] How can I make a new poll in a team? I only see a "Show polls" link, and no "Add polls" one. help didn't give any results either === salgado is now known as salgado-afk [02:23] vadi2, you need to be a team admin to create a poll [02:32] oh, ok [07:44] Hello is this the place to report a bug? [07:45] A bug about Launchpad? [07:45] I believe so? or is launchpad the reporting method for wubi? [07:45] im a tad confused on the feedback portion of this find. [07:46] If you have a bug in wubi, then you probably want to report it at https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi [07:47] Thanks sorry. [07:47] Not a problem. === elmo_ is now known as elmo [09:12] * Hobbsee sighs [09:12] mpt: isn't the latest release of a package supposed to be the latest release, in the latest ubuntu version? [09:12] ie, not a backport? [09:12] * Hobbsee wonders who introduced that regression. [09:15] and why does the subscriber list also show people who no longer use launchpad? [09:15] surely if their accoutns are disabled, they are no longer subscribed to the bug, which is misleading. [09:56] Hobbsee: bug #248223 [09:56] Launchpad bug 248223 in malone "People with deactivated accounts still shown in bug subscriber list (dup-of: 238493)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/248223 [09:56] Launchpad bug 238493 in launchpad "Deactivated account still appear in 'subscribers'-portlet" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/238493 [11:12] ok really guys wth is wrong with me sending emails to bug reports. they work as long as i dont change status or importance [11:14] i didnt get a failure so far but my comment isnt on the bug report [11:14] gnomefreak: Did you sign the emails? [11:15] wgrant: always [11:15] Is the signature valid? [11:15] Not broken by wrapping? [11:15] wgrant: yes i assume its good. and i turned off wrrapper to fix the quote issue [11:16] my key works for packaging and email without status changes [11:16] But it's not known to be good for signing emails. [11:16] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/248797/+activity [11:16] Launchpad bug 248797 in firefox-3.0 "google search disappears in firefox" [Undecided,Incomplete] [11:17] wgrant: it should be good it has worked prior to new UI in LP [11:17] Hm? [11:17] gnomefreak: I doubt the UI could have anything to do with it. [11:17] wgrant: im not saying it is but thats when it started failing [11:17] Can you verify the signature on the email? [11:18] how do i tell if key is valid [11:18] I never mentioned the key. [11:18] you mentioned signiture i assumed you meant my key [11:18] I meant the signature. [11:19] it didnt sign it [11:19] why? [11:19] yes it did [11:19] UNTRUSTED Good signature from John Vivirito [11:19] You cannot change anything in a bug without a valid signature... [11:19] Is that the email as it was transmitted? [11:20] wait a minute i have to readd my key i had removed that email address [11:20] i was told i didnt have to reload my key to tbird or LP [11:21] no thats not right either that address was removed from key and i had to redo tbird so used updated key [11:21] Did you upload the key to keyserver.ubuntu.com or another keyserver in that network/ [11:22] i dont remember what one i think ubuntu.com but let me check [11:23] keyserver.ubuntu.com [11:23] that would be the one [11:23] Hm. [11:23] You probably need to poke some LP person to check logs. [11:23] But I've known Thunderbird to do stupid wrapping things before. [11:24] thats fixable in the preferneces [11:24] Maybe not entirely. TB does strange, strange things. [11:25] im assuming i would get a failure email and i hadnt gotten that either [11:25] maybe during n-m update [11:25] Maybe not if the signature was bad. [11:25] i was offline for a minute [11:27] ok resent im thinking n-m kicked me during update and it was around same time i think [11:27] ok brb need to reboot [11:28] this is just flat out pissing me off everyday i tweak something to fix it and still doesnt work. [11:28] be back in a few [11:36] im checking another bug i replied to without changing the status [11:36] to see if it signed it [11:36] ok wth === emgent_ is now known as emgent [11:37] none of them went through at all [11:39] wgrant: using PGP/MIME should work right? [11:39] that setting shouldnt affect the signing for LP email [11:43] gnomefreak: have you tried sending a signed message to an other address of yours and checking the signature? [11:44] gnomefreak: PGP/MIME is a very different type of signature... why wouldn't it affect it? [11:44] geser: i just did waiting for reply [11:45] wgrant: it shouldnt affect it for LP should it? [11:45] i dont see any rason it would [11:45] reason [11:45] gnomefreak: Maybe LP doesn't support it, or Enigmail does it badly!? [11:45] asac: dont you use PGP/MIME to sign your email? [11:46] it didnt sign the email to a friend [11:49] for some reason using PGP/MIME doesnt sign messages at all it asks for password for the key but never uses it [11:49] That there could be your problem. [11:50] im sending one now without PGP/MIME [11:52] just resent with status new [11:52] if works i change it back [11:54] give me a few minutes and ill let you know if it helped [12:03] ok still no comment on bug report from mee and still no failure email from LP [12:04] * gnomefreak should get failure email if email doesnt go through [12:06] gnomefreak: and you get a good signature when you send yourself a signed message? [12:06] any LP admins here yet. i would like someone to check logs for me since i cant get an email to go through and not getting failure notis [12:06] geser: i did when i sent to a friend [12:06] hmm [12:07] 06:48 < gnomefreak+> let me know if it changes when you get it [12:07] 06:49 < ikonia+> got you [12:07] 06:50 < ikonia+> key included this time [12:07] he meant inline since that is what i asked him to look for [12:09] this has been going on for week or 2 and its kind of making my work a bit time costly at this time sinc ei have so many bugs to deal with (1000+ bugs) [12:13] hi === ScottK is now known as ScottK2 === ScottK2 is now known as ScottK [12:15] schooltool is using PPA for releases, is there a way to link PPA packages to the relevant series using add ubuntu package or as plain releases? [12:20] mpt, mornin' [12:20] very nice job on the UI marathon, it looks great :) [12:21] * ignas likes the new design too [12:21] mpt, there is one problem though, on the home page, the "new look" news links to a 404 [12:21] wgrant: i have no choice at this time to think my issue is anything but LP [12:23] ignas: No. You'd think one could link to it inside a release, but apparently no LP dev has thought to do that yet. [12:23] I see [12:25] What was wrong with using the usual logo for the favicon? [12:29] can someone ping me when Lpo admins wake up/get to work/feels like helping? [12:29] this is messed up i can send to person but not LP [12:32] gnomefreak: Perhaps ask a question at the URL in the topic. [12:35] wgrant: ok thanks [12:35] anyswers or help? [12:36] s/anyswers/answers [12:36] gnomefreak: answers. [12:36] thankws [12:37] i just opened help and its just a help page [12:37] As would seem to make sense. [12:40] gnomefreak: can you please send an email to help@bugs.launchpad.net and tell me if you're getting a response? [12:41] gnomefreak: we've had a few similar problems. i still don't know what's the cause, but i hope to have an answer soon [12:41] intellectronica: yep right now ill write one up real fast [12:42] gnomefreak: you can just send an empty email. should be real fast :) [12:43] oops [12:43] ? [12:43] well i wrote in it fo i can keep it as reference [12:43] cool [12:44] i got email of question i added to answers [12:44] gnomefreak: if you don't get a reply in the next 10 minutes, then it's bad, but at least you're in good company :-/ [12:45] bad for who? LP or me? [12:45] gnomefreak: i use mutt ... which uses pgp/mime iirc [12:45] asac: mutt is too much trouble to set up :( [12:45] gnomefreak: bad for you, because you can't use the email interface, and for us, because we have to fix it [12:45] gnomefreak: sure. pgp/mime should i hope [12:45] (in enigmail) [12:46] pgp/mime fails in LP and people emails [12:46] it was failing to sign any message [12:46] so i changed option to not use it and it signs messages [12:47] gnomefreak: how does it fail? [12:47] asac: it doesnt sign them at all inline nor attachment [12:48] we need to update enigmail as well since we are 6 point releases behind [12:48] its not 0.95.6 and we have 0.95.0 [12:48] s/not.now [12:50] gnomefreak: yea i know ... but that shouldnt break pgp/mime [12:50] asac: agreed [12:50] asac: this has been like this for a week or 2 [12:51] closer to 2 [12:53] gnomefreak: i just tested. works fine here [12:53] both: inline + pgp/mime [12:53] for some reason it doesnt here in tbird with enigmail [12:54] intellectronica: i got a reply [12:55] gnomefreak: good news, so you don't have a problem using the email interface, but something more specific (to do with the emails you're sending, i guess) [12:55] intellectronica: its works for proplr i dont see why it wont work for LP [12:55] people even [12:56] gnomefreak: can i maybe have a look at one of these emails? [12:56] intellectronica: sure, one i sent to LP or you want a personal one? [12:57] gnomefreak: one you sent to LP [12:57] k [12:58] gnomefreak: you can just paste the raw message at http://paste.ubuntu.com/ [12:58] i am [12:58] cool [13:00] http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/1073271 [13:00] that is the one without pgp/mime [13:01] same with pgp/mime but when i sent pgp/mime the person did not get my key once i disabled pgp/mime he got the sig [13:03] matter of fact i think i sent email to asac this morning or yesterday using pgp/mime [13:03] so he shouldnt see the sig. [13:04] gnomefreak: can you please paste the complete raw message (with headers and everything)? [13:04] k [13:06] no i cant :( it wont allow me to copy the header [13:06] gnomefreak: Ctrl+U. [13:06] really? what mail program are you using? [13:06] thanks :) [13:06] intellectronica: tbird [13:07] gnomefreak: ctrl+u should work like wgrant said [13:07] what they said [13:07] it did [13:07] waiting for pastebin to load [13:07] this is one without pgp/mime [13:08] http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/1073275 [13:08] with pgp/mime looks same http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/1073279 [13:10] gnomefreak: thanks [13:11] intellectronica: thank you for helping [13:12] headers didnt tell me too much if there was an issue or not [13:39] Hi, we created our team mailing list after the teams was created and I'm wondering if everyone has subscribed... is there a way to see who has subscibed to a launchpad mailing list? [13:39] barry: do you know the answer? [13:41] pep: no, but there's an open bug on this and i'm hoping we'll address this soon [13:41] Ah very well :) [13:41] thank you [14:00] Gooooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders! [14:00] hey mpt! [14:44] intellectronica: did you need any more info from me while im here? [14:45] gnomefreak: nothing, thanks. no clue what the problem is yet, though [14:46] intellectronica: ok thanks i wish i knew [14:52] intellectronica: im trying one without status changes [15:01] intellectronica: oh well i tried but same thing, sorry thought i would try to see if it gave me a failure email [15:02] gnomefreak: i doubt that this is the problem. i can submit the identical mail successfully to staging, so i guess it's to do with the signature or something [15:03] intellectronica: as far as i know its good, if you can think of things i can do to find out for sure please let me know [15:03] even the header says its good [15:04] gnomefreak: oh, it definitely does verify. don't know, it's a mystery. i'll continue trying and let you know [15:04] gnomefreak: if you feel like starting a question so that i can track this it would be awesome [15:05] intellectronica: thanks if you need anything from me please let me know if im not here you can email me at the address on those headers/emails i gave you [15:05] intellectronica: already did [15:05] let me find it [15:05] gnomefreak: oh cool. url? [15:05] sure [15:05] https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/39396 [15:05] filed ~2hours ago [15:21] im thinking its enigmail the more i think abou tit [15:21] about it [15:22] gnomefreak: have you an other mail client you could test? [15:23] geser: not yet right now im looking for someone with tbird+enigmail to see if thiers works [15:23] i need to find out if claws uses enigmail or a plugin [15:25] well damn Hobbsee doesnt have a problem with same set up [15:26] that leaves me thinking that its my key but it says my signature is good [15:26] ill see if claws works [15:31] gnomefreak: i don't have a problem with that setup and that message, and i could verify your signature without a problem [15:31] claws seems to be a bit messed up atm. [15:31] intellectronica: Hobbsee are you on intrepid or hardy? [15:31] hardy [15:32] if she is on hardy ill reboot to hardy partition and try ;) [15:32] gnomefreak: intrepid, but i usualy use hardy [15:32] :( [15:33] i don't think i've ever had a problem [15:33] i was hoping gpg was messd up in hardy [15:33] * Hobbsee smashes launchpad witha brick [15:34] what do you mean i don't have access? [15:34] https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/+reassign comes up that i'm forbidden [15:34] Hobbsee: dont feel bad i dont have access to anythig including email to lp [15:34] so i'm forbidden from changing the owner of the team, from me to someone else. [15:34] ill try on my hardy partition maybe it works there [15:34] * Hobbsee can pick the person, hit change, tehn gets that screen [15:35] * Hobbsee is sure that used to work, too === matsubara is now known as matsubara-lunch [16:22] intellectronica: ok now im really confused [16:22] gnomefreak: ? [16:22] intellectronica: it works fine in Hardy see bug 249082 [16:23] Launchpad bug 249082 in ubuntu "This is a test bug please dont close it or change anything" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/249082 [16:23] i set up bug to track and test [16:23] maybe gnupg is messed up in Intrepid [16:24] gnomefreak: please please please use staging.launchpad.net for testing if at all possible [16:24] never heard of it [16:25] gnomefreak: staging has the latest code, and a daily copy of the data, but it's only used for testing (the data you change goes away after the daily copy) [16:25] so you can test the latest code without polluting the db [16:26] gnomefreak: so, the problems goes away on a certain client setup (tb + enigmail on hardy) and only manifests itself on intrepid? [16:26] removing the info from this bug isnt best idea since it may be needed for further info [16:26] intellectronica: yes [16:26] gnomefreak: well, looks like you've discovered an ubutnu/thunderbird/enigmail bug [16:27] maybe ill move ~/.gnupg over to intrepid from hardy [16:27] maybe asac will have an idea? [16:27] anyway, it would be a good idea to report it [16:27] intellectronica: agreed [16:27] gnomefreak: however, i must say that from looking at the message you pasted earlier, i can't see what the problem is. it looks fine to me, and i can submit it without a problem [16:28] but since i am on mozilla team ill know its there ;) [16:28] huh :) === LaserJoc1 is now known as LaserJock [16:28] maybe removing ubuntu.ase@gmailDOTcom [16:29] intellectronica: the bug would be against a mozilla app and im sure i wont forget the bug and i will end up looking into it but i might report it incase i dont get to it this week [16:29] does LP also check the email address and not just the signature? [16:30] geser: good question. [16:30] geser: yes, it checks the From too === ursula_ is now known as Ursinha [16:31] do the from and address on key have to be same? [16:31] * gnomefreak thinking removing that above address from gpg key might have spawned this [16:32] gnomefreak: that wouldn't explain why on hardy it works and not on intrepid as LP uses in both cases the same key [16:33] unless you have your TB configured differently between hardy and intrepid [16:33] it has differnt ~/.gnupg but since i updated servers i guess it wouldnt matter [16:34] gnomefreak: yes, you have to have a public key coresponding to the From uploaded to LP [16:35] gnomefreak: anyway, as i said, i could verify your message based on one of the keys you have, so that's not the problem [16:35] intellectronica: so i have to add all my emails that i would reply on LP from? [16:35] gnomefreak: and anyway you said yourself that it works for you on hardy [16:35] yes about to compare gpg.conf [16:36] gnomefreak: no, you just have to upload the key you're using to your launchpad account [16:37] it already is and i was told after changing it last week i didnt need to re upload to LP [16:37] just to key servers [16:39] intellectronica: doesn't it contradict what you said about the From checking? [16:40] geser: no. we check the from to determine who you are, then check that the signature is with a key that you've uploaded to your lp account, but that signature doesn't have to have the address in the From [16:40] gmb, ping [16:41] mrevell: Koennen Ich Ihren hilfe? [16:42] gmb, Hello Graham. I don't speak German, I'm afraid. [16:44]