[00:25] <Jordan_U> LSD|Ninja, In case you care while trying to solve my problem I found how to enable 11M rate rather than 1M
[00:25] <Jordan_U> ( with ath5k )
[01:17] <tanath> i have a problem with 8.10
[01:17] <tanath> after grub, my monitor appears to get no video output until the X server comes up
[01:21] <s3a> does reporting bugs for 32 bit also help 64 bit intrepid?
[01:21] <pheeror> depends
[01:25] <s3a> pheeror: cuz virtual machines can only run 32 bit
[01:26] <pheeror> if a solution for that particular bug solved it for x86 but not for x86-64 that in my humble opinion it doesn't help for x86-64
[01:27] <pheeror> second that=then
[01:27] <pheeror> but it can't be bug in a virtual machine
[01:27] <tanath> what should i do about my video issue?
[01:28] <pheeror> i'd just ignore it
[01:28] <tanath> o.O
[01:29] <tanath> i'm used to checking for error messages during boot... now i can't see anything
[01:30] <tanath> and this isn't exactly normal / expected behaviour
[01:30] <pheeror> delete 'splash' from boot options could be the workaround
[01:31] <pheeror> EXT4: are you supported in intrepid? ;-)
[01:32] <tanath> i notice there's a 'boot-up manager' and a 'startup-manager'. that could be confusing
[01:34] <tanath> ok, i turned off 'show boot splash'. will see if that helps on next boot
[01:35] <tanath> though i have a suspicion it won't
[01:36] <pheeror> to test it you could change at boottime and it wouldn't be persistent change
[01:36] <pheeror> screw my english :-(
[01:37] <tanath> how do you do that?
[01:37] <tanath> keep in mind, after grub, i see nothing
[01:38] <pheeror> pres ESC when grub timeout is counting down
[01:38] <pheeror> then press e to edit
[01:38] <tanath> ah, kernel option
[01:38] <pheeror> actually you couldn't to this with lilo or could you?
[01:39] <tanath> i think so... but i am using grub
[01:40] <tanath> so what is the option?
[01:40] <pheeror> splah
[01:40] <pheeror> splash
[01:41] <pheeror> you can also erase all those vga=XXX and other suspicious ones to fallback to old good reliable text mode till X starts
[01:42] <tanath> well, i never had this prob before, until i upgraded to 8.10
[01:42] <tanath> i did increase resolution to 1024*768, but it worked on hardy
[02:28] <coz_> welll i finally booted into intrepid... :)
[04:20] <Hobbsee> hm.  intrepid almost works now
[04:21] <coz_> guys  I lost the fix for this during changeover   I want to change the password prompt in the terminal from "[sudo] password "username" to just password  anyone remember the fix?
[04:24] <bazhang> !info linux-image
[04:24] <bazhang> khaije1, ^^
[04:31] <Hobbsee> RAOF: any idea how i get scrolling back?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> (i have X now, though!)
[04:32] <khaije1> lol thx bazhang, is that the release target or is it subject to change?
[04:33] <bazhang> khaije1, not sure; likely better to find out when freeze occurs (cant remember atm)
[04:33] <khaije1> hah oh ya, forgot about that
[04:35] <khaije1> wow octoer 16th, only 14 days before release
[04:38] <khaije1> from linux weather report--
[04:38] <khaije1> Short-term forecast: The 2.6.27 kernel will most likely come out in the first half of October. As of this writing, the merge window is open, so we do not know what all of the features in that kernel will be.
[04:39] <khaije1> so it may be 2.6.26 or 2.6.27 depending on progress
[04:40] <bazhang> 26 is very nice
[04:40] <coz_> I havent read any of the bug reports yet and was wondering when nvidia driver can be installed?
[04:40] <coz_> so far i cannot get it going either nvidia-glx-new or the nvidia installer
[04:42] <LSD|Ninja> what card?
[04:42] <coz_> nvidia fx5700
[04:43] <coz_> let me get the problem right hold on
[04:43] <LSD|Ninja> what driver are you using? 96 doesn't yet work with xorg 1.5
[04:43] <coz_> LSD|Ninja,  I tried the nvidia-glx-new and then I tried 169.12
[04:44] <coz_> LSD|Ninja, the error is   Depends: xserver-xorg-core but it is not going to be installed
[04:44] <LSD|Ninja> nvidia-glx-new is an older one, you'll ewmove most of X installing that one iirc
[04:44] <coz_> LSD|Ninja, on this card the drivers ofter 169.12 dont work well enough
[04:45] <coz_> after
[04:47] <LSD|Ninja> coz_: what about the 173 ones?
[04:48] <coz_> LSD|Ninja, no the newer drivers on this card for some reason and onlty 169.12 works fairly flawlessly
[04:48] <coz_> LSD|Ninja, I wish they worked better with this card but ...
[04:49] <LSD|Ninja> heh, I'm waiting on an update on the 96.43 drivers (GF2MX400) myself
[04:50] <pheeror> it's still supported?
[04:51] <coz_> oo I know that even in hardy I couldnt install the 9755 driver because it was not supported
[04:51] <LSD|Ninja> My GF2 works in Hardy, it's the xorg 1.5 in Intrepid that's screwing things up
[04:52] <coz_> LSD|Ninja, interesting I know that the 9755 would not install at all on hardy  no matter what I did
[04:53] <pheeror> yeah, but the thing is whether nvidia is going to support the new versions of xserver even for the legacy drivers (as new versions of nvidia drivers don't support gf2)
[04:53] <crdlb> nvidia still provides the occasional update for their "legacy" and "ancient" lines
[04:53] <crdlb> but usually only to add support for new versions of X and the kernel
[04:53] <LSD|Ninja> yeah, words is they'll provide an update but I'm not expecting it any time soon.
[04:54] <LSD|Ninja> Is xorg 1.5 going to provide anything that makes this inconvenience worth it?
[04:54] <khaije1> anyone on chan know what kvm feature set we might see in Intrepid?
[04:55] <pheeror> guess so, because xorg is quite ancient
[04:56] <LSD|Ninja> The whole thing needed throwing out and replacing 5 years ago
[04:57] <pheeror> but correct autodetection of second monitor still doesn't work correctly even in intrepid (with ati)
[04:58] <coz_> well one thing nice about intrepid is the default theme..I was pleased to see an change from light to dark as default  I may not keep it that way but it is a nice change :)
[04:58] <pheeror> anyway keeping api or even abi compatibility just to satisfy one (or two) closed-source drivers wouldn't be that clever
[04:58] <coz_> a not an
[04:59] <pheeror> the dark theme won't be default in intrepid
[04:59] <LSD|Ninja> pheeror: only if it's providing something that's really, truly worth the break in the first place. Most of the time these things happen because the OSS guys want to screw with the proprietary drivers
[05:00] <coz_> pheeror, oh??  mm is there a reason for that?
[05:01] <crdlb> LSD|Ninja: or perhaps they want to refactor to improve maintainability ...
[05:04] <s3a> im using 64 bit ubuntu and trying to load 32 bit intrepid alpha2 and on install or checking cd for errors it says "[      3.924031]" then it says "<1>BUG: unable to handle kernel" like a million times
[05:04] <s3a> using virtualbox-ose
[05:06] <Hobbsee> i don't suppose anyone here knows how to make my touchpad support vertical scrolling again?
[05:07] <khaije1> where may i find a image to test?
[05:08] <LSD|Ninja> Hobbsee: if touchpad scrolling on a PC notebook stopped working for me I'd consider it a blessing :P
[05:10] <pheeror> LSD|Ninja: you think guys like keith packard are such a bollocks?
[05:10] <pheeror> s/a\ //
[05:10] <pheeror> coz_: i've just read it in interview with mark shuttleworh
[05:10] <coz_> pheeror, oh!  mm  well it doesnt surprise me  though it is a little dissapointing  ..i thought it was a nice change :0
[05:11] <coz_> I keep forgetting to press shift when typing the darn smiley face :)
[05:11] <LSD|Ninja> pheeror: hmm?
[05:12] <coz_> well i have been playing around with this theme and it is kind of relaxing  nothing is glaring  nothing too bright  a touch of color every now and then to break the grayed down browns
[05:12] <coz_> I like it :)
[05:12] <pheeror> LSD|Ninja: i really doubt that anybody change api/abi just to break compatibility (except ms and oo zealots and *forums.com :-DD )
[05:14] <pheeror> LSD|Ninja: but really, in oss environment api/abi isn't that mythically important
[05:14] <pheeror> api/abi compatibility
[05:15] <pheeror> Hobbsee: system->preferences->mouse, touchapad tab
[05:15] <pheeror> touchpad
[05:17] <Hobbsee> pheeror: i don't have such a tab.
[05:18] <Hobbsee> LSD|Ninja: heh.  i've leraned to scroll like that
[05:19] <pheeror> so i guess that the touchpad wasn't autodetect thus the special driver for touchpad wasn't load
[05:20] <pheeror> pastebin.com/f229dcb7d
[05:21] <pheeror> check the section with driver synaptics (the file is /etc/X11/xorg.conf )
[05:21] <Hobbsee> pheeror: it must have been detected, as it does work - all parts except the scrolling
[05:21] <pheeror> lime 39
[05:21] <pheeror> line
[05:22] <Hobbsee> yeah, i added that section
[05:31] <Hobbsee> ah ha.
[05:31] <Hobbsee> found the solution
[09:45] <_NiC> I'm looking at the rsyslog-package in intrepid, and it seems to lack the RELP-module, would anyone happen to know anything about that?
[11:00] <LSD|Ninja> OK, so we now have a linux-restricted-modules in Intrepid. But what's the point if the video and madwifi drivers are no longer part of it? O_o
[11:02] <gnomefreak> LSD|Ninja: there are other things int hat package other than nvidia madwifi (i think ati is still in there) and others but dont remember off hand
[11:03] <gnomefreak> Description: Generic Linux restricted modules. This package will always depend on the latest generic Linux restricted modules available.
[11:05] <LSD|Ninja> OK, so what's the point of splitting out ja handful of the modules in there then?
[12:12] <DistroJockey> Just thought of this while supporting xorg.conf issues: how about having xorg.conf set out similar to menu.lst where options and such are commented out but easily visible and easy to turn on and off?
[12:13] <gnomefreak> DistroJockey: because there is talk about dropping xorg.conf
[12:13] <gnomefreak> ha sbeen since start of intrepid devel cycle
[12:13] <gnomefreak> has been
[12:13] <DistroJockey> gnomefreak, hmm, well, that would be really bad from what I have seen due to the minimal xorg.conf
 DistroJockey: because there is talk about dropping xorg.conf  <-- so how will X be configured if theres no xorg.conf?
[12:14] <gnomefreak> DistroJockey: there is something else i know a full GUI way to config your X but they can leave it there or they will use xfree* to config
[12:15] <DistroJockey> Light-, exactly!
[12:15] <gnomefreak> Light-: another file and full GUI
[12:15] <Light-> another file seems a little silly, why not same file (and perhaps different layout) and full GUI?
[12:15] <gnomefreak> they wantto get rid of xorg.conf because once GUI config in set you wont need it but the settings will be held somewhere
[12:16] <Light-> oh
[12:16] <DistroJockey> gnomefreak, well, that's good as long as a CLI is available, as a GUI tool is no good if X doesn't work
[12:16] <gnomefreak> DistroJockey: it will be jsut not sure the name of file at this time
[12:16] <DistroJockey> gnomefreak, cool.
[12:16] <gnomefreak> right now we are using xorg.config sort of but once newX is stable they say we wont need it. they IIRC is upstream
[12:16] <Light-> if someone could make a tool like Windows's screen resolution/configure dual screens/etc tool then that would be awesome
[12:17] <Light-> because that thing actually works
[12:17]  * gnomefreak thought we had that
[12:17]  * gnomefreak could swear that the gui config tool give syou those options
[12:17] <Light-> well, it seems to have a rather small list of resolutions, and doesnt work too well
[12:18] <DistroJockey> gnomefreak, maybe, but not usable in Hardy by default
[12:18] <Light-> for example, I could not manage to configure dual screens with it, I had to resort using TwinView + nvidia driver
[12:18] <gnomefreak> not in Hardy right now intrepid is same as HArdy just with alot of breakage
[12:19] <gnomefreak> Light-: nvidia-settings
[12:19] <DistroJockey> gnomefreak, might be possible if you really know how
[12:19] <gnomefreak> that should help you with that
[12:19]  * DistroJockey doesn't use nvidia
[12:19] <gnomefreak> DistroJockey: like i said its talk that has been going around. How timo and others decide what to do is still not conffirmed
[12:20] <DistroJockey> gnomefreak, yep, fair enough. Was a suggestion based on the issues I have seen
 Light-: nvidia-settings <-- yah thats what I had to use in the end
[12:20] <gnomefreak> DistroJockey: but Light- does ;) im sure intel and ati(flrgx) or whatever its called have something like that
[12:20] <ccooke> gnomefreak: fglrx
[12:21] <gnomefreak> Light-: intrepid as well a tthis time. there is the ubuntu GUI config in system>admin but i dont like it so far
[12:21] <gnomefreak> ccooke: thanks
[12:21] <ccooke> gnomefreak: NP
[12:21] <DistroJockey> I get 2800fps with glxgears running ati xorg drivers on a R300 Radeon 9600 pro
[12:22] <gnomefreak> i think i have that card laying around somewhere but i like my nvidia
[12:23] <gnomefreak> i have a stock of all different cards motherboards sound cards ethernet card ect... just nee cases and some fans and i can build ~7 pcs but low on scale of speed ect..
[12:23] <DistroJockey> gnomefreak, I usually liked the nvidia better, but lately it has alot of issues with Ubuntu.
[12:23] <gnomefreak> DistroJockey: no it doesnt
[12:24] <gnomefreak> 8xxx problems have been fixed and nvidia-glx-177 or 173 or a few others is what you get instead of nvidia-glx-new
[12:24] <gnomefreak> or nvidia-glx
[12:24] <DistroJockey> gnomefreak, I've seen more nvidia users having issues than ati users
[12:25] <gnomefreak> DistroJockey: its just the config of the drivers people have issues with but 1-2 commands and you are up and running
[12:25] <gnomefreak> DistroJockey: biggest problem was nvidia drivers we had didnt support the 8xxx and up but now that has beenf ixed
[12:25] <ccooke> I have to say, I'm impressed with how quickly AMD have made a difference to the ATI drivers
[12:25] <gnomefreak> ccooke: agreed
[12:26] <DistroJockey> gnomefreak, fair enough. As long as the users don't need to "configure" stuff in the next Ubuntu :)
[12:26] <DistroJockey> ccooke, also agree :)
[12:27] <DistroJockey> but still, I stick with the xorg drivers, they work fine
[12:27] <DistroJockey> for me
[12:27] <gnomefreak> DistroJockey: shouldnt since nvidia-settings comes with nvidia drivers now but as of this minute they have to run nvidia-config(IIRC) and it will rebuild your xorg.conf restart and that should do it. im surte not everyone will be this easy but that is the plan and for me it worked . but a month ago i had to rebuild xorg.conf by hand
[12:28] <gnomefreak> ill be back i really have to find out what is up with LP
[12:28] <DistroJockey> gnomefreak, k, later
[12:28] <DistroJockey> I'll keep playing
[14:52] <Hobbsee> is there any way to make compiz work on intrepid yet?
[15:01] <Syntux> do we have an rsync server for the intrepid ?
[15:08] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: it was working 2 days ago
[15:09] <gnomefreak> i set it by mistake since i normally dont use it since packaging and other things i do will freeze me with compiz enabled
[15:13] <Hobbsee> i seem to get:
[15:13] <Hobbsee> /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: Could not acquire compositing manager selection on screen 0 display ":0.0"
[15:13] <Hobbsee> /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Fatal: No manageable screens found on display :0.0
[15:18] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[15:20] <gnomefreak> the problem i have with that output is it was same as in hardy devel and iirc it lasted when devel was dne.. i dont remember what caused it than but im putting my money on mesa
[15:20] <gnomefreak> naw it cant be
[15:20] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: do you use kmail?
[15:21] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: no
[15:22] <gnomefreak> tbird+enigmail?
[15:23] <Hobbsee> yup
[15:23] <Hobbsee> i've never liked kmai
[15:23] <Hobbsee> l
[15:24] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: do you reply to bugs using email?
[15:24] <gnomefreak> mine isnt working i need to find out if it is enigmail or my key
[15:24] <Hobbsee> sometimes, yes
[15:24] <gnomefreak> although it says signature is good
[15:24] <Hobbsee> i've not had a problem with it
[15:25] <gnomefreak> i was afraid of that
[15:25] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: thanks
[15:44] <geser> does the logout dialog in gnome still offer the option for shutdown, etc. for others? I see there currently only "log out" and "switch user" (and "Cancel")
[15:48] <gnomefreak> click log out than shutdown
[15:49] <Hobbsee> ah yes, i'm so not a fan of that.
[15:50] <geser> gnomefreak: that's what I'm doing now, but I prefered to have the option directly in the dialog
[15:51] <gnomefreak> geser: i agree
[15:51] <geser> I could just instead open a terminal and type "sudo poweroff"
[15:51] <gnomefreak> but they changed it
[15:51] <gnomefreak> oh and usplash is broken with .4 kernel
[15:53] <gnomefreak> ok bug set up now link them together and test,
[17:23] <gnomefreak> does anyones cp work?
[17:23] <gnomefreak> example cp ~/.gnupg ~/.gnupg.backup
[17:23] <gnomefreak> im assuming it has to be hidden file
[17:24] <gnomefreak> nope it fails on any dir
[17:25] <Pici> gnomefreak: cp -r
[17:29] <gnomefreak> used to work without -r :(
[17:29] <gnomefreak> Pici: thanks
[17:56] <frompie> is this the right channel to ask something about virt-manager/virt-install on intrepid ?
[18:45] <LSD|Ninja> is "Restart" from teh shut down menu actually logging off a known bug?
[19:39] <linux1> i have a really odd probem that has been started since kernel 2.6.26-3 at boot the system beep on and off until boot the only way around it disable splash and quiet at boot .has anyone hear of this bug before
[19:44] <LSD|Ninja> linux1: Intrepid seems to have all kinds of wierd splash bugs at the moment
[19:45] <linux1> yeah ive noticed scared the hell out of me at first
[19:48] <LSD|Ninja> I've got one at the moment that makes it look like its sending data to one of those old data link watches
[19:53] <linux1> oh i thought mine was odd
[19:54] <xanax`> hi
[20:15] <jbroome> bye
[21:17] <markit> hi,  after upgrade, X does not start anymore, complains about missing dri2
[21:18] <markit> or "error setting MTRR"
[21:18] <markit> any clue?
[21:20] <daekdroom> markit, missing DRI2 shouldn't be big deal. I mean, DRI2 can't even be used right now.
[21:21] <markit> daekdroom: but there is a "(EE) failed to load dri2" and a complain about MTRR, and I've no X running anymore :(
[21:22] <markit> if I force the driver to vesa, the dri2 error disappears, but the latter remains
[21:22] <daekdroom> markit, Ignore the DRI2 thing, focus on the MTRR error
[21:23] <markit> ok, but I've no clue about it... google tells something about auto-ram discovery process
[21:23] <markit> did not happend to you also once upgraded?
[21:23] <daekdroom> I'm not running it on my desktop. I'm using a virtual machine.
[21:24] <markit> daekdroom: with kvm?
[21:24] <daekdroom> There was a xorg update today but I haven't booted it since
[21:24] <daekdroom> Vbox
[21:57] <Unksi> any intel wireless users here?
[22:03] <michaelfavia> hrm trying to get nvidia + new xorg up and running via albertomilones new pkgs but im getting an error about missing dri2 module.. am i missing a package or is it actually not avail yet?
[22:19] <pen> how's flash 10? is it better than 9?
[22:19] <pen> like it?
[23:21] <pheeror> pen: no, it's still the same cra
[23:21] <pheeror> crap
[23:24] <pen> pheeror, I se