[00:12] Lynet, WARNING - at least SuSE, Mandriva, and Ubuntu use a version of SYSLINUX modified with a patch called "gfxboot". This is a highly invasive and unsupported modification of SYSLINUX. Please avoid these versions if possible. [00:13] there's dvd's of 32bit ubuntu {desktop,server} - I know what we're trying to do HAS to be possible [00:15] you can't usefully install from an .iso on the hard drive, so I wouldn't recommend wasting your time trying. When you have an .iso loop-mounted from the hard drive, that has the effect of locking the partition table so that you can't perform much in the way of partitioning changes. [00:15] ah, but are you nesting ISO images on the CD itself? Urgh, seems rather overcomplicated [00:16] cjwatson: No repartitioning expected on a dvd. ;-p [00:16] we just merge everything into the CD root and configure the installer to grab only what it needs [00:16] much easier and actually works [00:17] Would merging 32 and 64bit be possible? [00:17] would take a little bit of fiddling to boot the right kernels, but ought to be [00:17] most of the relevant path names are architecture-specific [00:18] cjwatson, what I want to do is make a dvd of ubuntu {32,64}bit {desktop,server}, dsl, and systemrescuecd [00:19] I have no experience with or information on DSL nor systemrescuecd, so cannot comment on how feasible it is to merge an Ubuntu CD root with those [00:20] I can say that right now you'd have to mess about with /var/lib/dpkg/info/cdrom-detect.postinst in the Ubuntu CD initrd to get it to loop-mount an .iso image from the CD [00:20] cjwatson, I've been trying to figure this out for about 20ht... i'm very close to scrapping it [00:20] at minimum; there might be other problems as a result [00:22] cjwatson, you should just do it for me :) [00:23] i'm too noob to figure this out [00:23] erm, sorry, no :-) [00:23] lots of other things to do ... [00:23] :) [00:23] i officially give up [00:24] there's not enough documentation about anything like that online either [00:25] MTecknology: I'll keep on it a bit, will msg you if I get any further. [00:25] Lynet, sounds good. I think I'm going to go home - i won't be here tomorrow- i think probably about 2 more times this summer [00:53] is it intended that the kernel binaries (hardy, -security/-updates) are in universe? :) [00:59] Adri2000: known, being worked on (Launchpad went a bit weird on us) [01:01] ok [01:03] we can't seem to move it because it thinks it's already in main [01:03] at least at some level [01:05] btw, it's only -security that's affected, not -updates [01:07] I think what's happened is that somehow (not considered in this memo) it ended up in universe when copying into -security, but the change-override implementation doesn't consider pockets when looking for packages - it just takes the newest in the distroarchseries [01:07] Riddell: around? [01:10] cjwatson: hmmm, -updates is affected as well on the fr.archive mirror [01:10] linux-image-2.6.24-19-generic | 2.6.24-19.36 | http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/universe Packages [01:10] linux-image-2.6.24-19-generic | 2.6.24-19.36 | http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/main Packages [01:11] maybe it was affected and it has then been fixed? and fr.archive is not up-to-date? [01:11] may just be confusion arising from -security and -updates being at the same version with different overrides [01:11] I'm looking at the master, so I'm not too worried about what mirrors have [01:13] linux-image-2.6.24-19-generic | 2.6.24-19.36 | http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/main Packages [01:13] I'd say it's fine :-) [01:13] and fr.a.u.c's headache. [01:18] does anyone know a good regular expresion manual (a better one than the manpage)? [01:18] cjwatson: maybe you? [01:32] who do i speak to regarding mysqld in ubuntu? [01:32] it has a bug which is ddosing my machines. [01:36] nenolod: has a bug been filed? [01:39] LaserJock, yes. it has Priority: low, and has been mostly ignored. [01:39] LaserJock, i run a cluster where a lot of people have instances of ubuntu, and since hardy, these instances have caused serious performance degradation [01:40] it is a problem that warrants something higher than such a low priority [01:40] perhaps giving us the bug number would help :-) [01:41] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-dfsg-5.0/+bug/105457 [01:41] Launchpad bug 105457 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 "mysqd_safe high cpu usage" [Low,Triaged] [01:41] note that Debian does not have this bug, so it's something introduced to ubuntu [01:41] i will bisect in a few minutes [01:46] hmm. wtf [01:48] this is weird. i don't see anything in the interdiff that changes mysqld_safe [01:49] nenolod: have you tried rebuilding the debian source package on ubuntu? [01:50] johanbr, yeah. going to do that now [01:50] johanbr, i don't have any ubuntu instances running in production though, so i don't know if i can reproduce the bug. === nxvl_ is now known as nxvl_work === nxvl_work is now known as nxvl [01:54] johanbr, let me fire up a ubuntu instance on my local server. (i run Debian proper on my servers, personally) === Pici` is now known as Pici [01:59] johanbr, building it now. i'll let you know how it comes out. [02:00] my test server is a via c7-m 1.5ghz though, so it'll take a while [02:15] nenolod: you poor thing. [02:16] jdong, for what? [02:16] jdong, i can run it without a fan [02:16] ;p [02:20] nenolod: I can run my potato without a fan either. [02:20] *ducks* ;-) [03:59] jdong: You still here? [04:10] does the tech board really meet every two weeks? [04:11] I think so [04:11] last time i went digging i found two irc logs in the past six months [04:11] maybe i just need to look harder [04:11] well, there aren't always agenda items [04:12] which leads to a quite short meeting :-) [04:45] tjaalton: ping? :) [04:59] did we not release a Desktop CD for alpha 2? [05:06] LaserJock: correct [05:07] odd, I didn't see that mentioned in the release announcement [05:08] perhaps I missed it === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [07:26] Hobbsee: pong === elmo_ is now known as elmo [08:38] tjaalton: is it worth filing a bug to get the vertical scrolling for synaptics touchpads detected by default? [08:53] Good morning [08:54] pitti! [08:54] * Hobbsee hugs mvo [08:54] hey Hobbsee [08:55] mvo: it works! [08:55] Hobbsee: excellent! [08:55] compiz seems to fall over and die, but the rest of it works! [08:55] it's more stable than hardy, now (which strangly went unstable after installing intrepid) [08:59] that, and how firefox spontaneously dies sometimes [08:59] Hi, I confirmed bug 246823 but a package maintainer/contributor needs to handle it [08:59] Launchpad bug 246823 in gwyddion "New upstream release of gwyddion (2.10) available" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/246823 [09:03] anybody? [09:03] * Hobbsee looks at it [09:03] i think we may have discussed that one last night Hobbsee [09:03] 4 mins. wow, you're patient :) [09:03] Rocket2DMn: i doubt it - that one actually is in debian [09:05] * Hobbsee scratches head [09:05] why does this hate me today? [09:06] doesnt "Ubuntu Sponsors for universe" need to be subscribed to those bugs? [09:06] aka ubuntu-universe-sponsors [09:06] Rocket2DMn: yeah, but i was going to do the sync request and get it out of the way. [09:06] i have a few such bugs [09:06] sarah@saturn:~/Desktop% sync-package.sh http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gwyddion/gwyddion_2.10-1.dsc intrepid [09:06] Exception: apt-cache madison does not contain gwyddion/intrepid [09:06] i need to know if it is outside my jurisdiction to confirm/wishlist them when they appear [09:06] pitti: any idea why ^ ? [09:07] Rocket2DMn: yes, a MOTU will need to confirm that they're right. [09:07] Rocket2DMn: you can set to wishlist if you like, but it really doesn't matter either way [09:07] and just causes more mail [09:07] ive checked that the packages do exist in debian [09:08] Hobbsee, another example is a merge request, like bug 248750 [09:08] Launchpad bug 248750 in git-core "Please merge git-core 1:1.5.6.2-1 from Debian" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/248750 [09:09] that you will need to subscribe u-u-s for, if it's not already done [09:09] so after confirming/wishlisting i just need to subscribe them and thats it? [09:09] ah, now the syncer is working. [09:11] Rocket2DMn: no, don't confirm it. [09:11] Rocket2DMn: it's the job of the MOTU to confirm it if it's right. [09:11] Rocket2DMn: otherwise, correct. [09:11] ok, that specific one is for Main, not Universe [09:11] Rocket2DMn: you might find https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing helpful [09:11] there's a u-m-s group too [09:12] yeah i saw [09:12] ok, so in the future if i see a new one, just subscribe the correct one of them and thats it? [09:12] yes [09:13] alright [09:13] Rocket2DMn: wait, no, that bug is crap. [09:13] Rocket2DMn: it doesn't contain a patch, it doesn't contain any of the work done. [09:13] it just says "someone needs to do this" [09:13] right [09:13] and while there's nothing actually done there, it's pretty pointless, and there's nothing to sponsor [09:14] Rocket2DMn: added to that bug. [09:15] ok [09:17] ok Hobbsee , so the bug we had last night: bug 246822 (not in debian) [09:17] Launchpad bug 246822 in prism "Prism on Intrepid should be updated to new upstream version 0.9" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/246822 [09:18] what do we want to do with that one? [09:19] Rocket2DMn: probably ask in #ubuntu-motu if there would be any contributors who would like to do it. [09:19] i've no idea how difficult it is [09:19] yeah i was just there asking about the first one, didnt get much love [09:19] first one, debian had already done the work [09:20] but you were probably doing it while they were all asleep. and there are lots of packages in universe, and people just may not be interested. [09:24] Hobbsee: maybe you don't have a deb-src for intrepid universe? [09:25] ok im just going through the list of the few bugs like this i have [09:25] pitti: i thought i had - at least, i had a mirror version of it, which doesn't include the phrase 'archive.ubuntu.com', which may well be it. [09:25] pitti: it seems to work with uncommenting the rest [09:25] seems bug 242162 has already been subscribed to u-u-s [09:25] Launchpad bug 242162 in devede "Please sponsor devede_3.9 into Intrepid" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/242162 [09:25] nobody has complained yet that i confirmed it [09:26] we'll wait on that prism bug, ill see if i can get a MOTU to handle it [09:26] a sync request is not the same as a merge request, or a new version. in the latter two cases, a MOTU actually uploads it. whereas in the first case, a MOTU confirms it, then passes it to the next team. [09:27] either wya, though, you are creating fairly needless bug spam, which doesn't make people generally happy :) [09:27] yeah, i have a friend on the uf beginners team who does some merges and syncs [09:28] basically it seems like i dont want to touch merges [09:28] yeah, you can usually leave the workflow bugs completley alone. [09:28] which is all of the categories above [09:28] as for packages from upstream sources, like bug 248575 which im now looking at, i think i can confirm those and ask a MOTU to take care of it [09:28] Launchpad bug 248575 in lame "Please Upgrade Lame" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/248575 [09:29] oh yeah, tag them with 'upgrade' too [09:29] otherwise i can leave all these things alone [09:30] yeah, pretty much [09:30] tag those ones with 'upgrade', and otherwise leave them. [09:30] so like bug 242162 needs the upgrade tag [09:30] Launchpad bug 242162 in devede "Please sponsor devede_3.9 into Intrepid" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/242162 [09:31] Rocket2DMn: it could. however, there's probably not a lot of point in it, as the upgrade work's already done. [09:31] the upgrade tag usually gets used for "this software is old, and needs an upgrade" [09:32] i feel like im running in circles [09:32] hehe :) [09:32] getting an education didnt teach me squat about handling bug reports! [09:33] Rocket2DMn: technically, yes it should. what you then run into is the concept of "what is correct, vs what is useful" [09:33] ok well u-u-s already has that bug subscribed, ill let them deal with it [09:33] Rocket2DMn: once anything is subscribed to u-u-s, anything else you do to it is effectively useless. [09:33] Rocket2DMn: and just generates mail. [09:33] yeah i know all about mail [09:34] however, for those packages that *don't* have u-u-s subscribed, the usual rules apply. afaik, anyway. [09:34] feel free to continue in -bugs, btw [09:34] people might want to get development stuff done in here [09:34] yeah i hang out there, too [09:35] although i suspect they're mostly at their sprint [09:35] im in 7 ubuntu related channels right now [09:35] i make my home with the ubuntu forums beginners team and branch from there to do bug triage and wiki documentation alongside UF support [09:36] once i finish moving back east and settle in, i want to start some programming with some projects as well [09:37] nice work :) [09:38] thanks, being from the forums has given me some background that other documentors and triagers dont have [09:41] ok thanks again for the help Hobbsee , im gonna go to bed now, im exhausted. i'll be back here often [09:41] night :) [09:58] hmm, I updated to current intrepid (including 2.6.24-4) and ended up with metacity running instead of compiz [09:58] toggling it back with the appearance capplet got compiz back, but my keyboard shortcuts were gone [09:59] compiz itself doesn't seem to have changed in a couple of weeks [10:06] mdz: xorg and mesa did, though [10:06] mdz: current mesa should unbreak compiz, but gnome-session currently doesn't start compiz; so I wonder how compiz started automatically for you in the first place? Or did you use compiz --replace manually? [10:07] pitti: he wrote that he used the appareance capplet [10:07] pitti: so what starts compiz by default on the liveCD? [10:07] ah, right [10:07] mdz: the new gnome-session is not able to do the fallback magic we had, we need to fix compiz [10:08] slangasek: nothing ATM, I think (with gnome-session from yesterday) [10:08] ah [10:08] mdz: the keybinding breakage is a compiz bug, I spoke to mvo about it yesterday [10:08] so this was added as a workaround for the compiz problem? [10:08] slangasek: no, mesa fixed compiz, the new gnome-session is orthogonal change [10:09] oh. why the behavior change? [10:12] slangasek: it now decided to not actually do any session startup any more except calling xdg autostart .desktop files :( [10:12] erm [10:12] seb128: please confirm ^ [10:12] does that mean the facility for starting arbitrary programs at startup has disappeared? [10:13] .gnome2/session is ignored now, and saving session doesn't work either [10:13] well, saving session didn't work before either :-P [10:13] hum [10:13] - old session should still be used, they are not that's a bug [10:13] slangasek: well, at least it restored the applications [10:14] pitti: not especially [10:14] - session saving should be there for intrepid [10:14] pitti: it consistently fails to remember how many gnome-terminal windows I had open, resetting it to some state that it got from somewhere other than my session [10:14] slangasek: now gnome-session has stages and use autostart desktop files to start things [10:15] compiz has to ship a such .desktop and register correctly to the session [10:15] they will add compatibility code for wm which don't do that but that's not done yet === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [10:41] pitti,seb128: thanks [10:41] my fonts in Firefox seem to have changed as well [10:42] mdz: I saw it in moin, too, but not on other pages [10:42] fc-match serif says DejaVuSerif.ttf: "DejaVu Serif" "Book" [10:42] but I think that was the same before [10:43] pitti: probably the moin CSS specifies some other font which changed [10:59] mdz: I'm working on the session registering stuff now [11:27] Riddell (or any archive-admin around): could you please explain me what this comment is? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/drpython/+bug/247665/comments/2 [11:27] Launchpad bug 247665 in drpython "Please sync drpython 1:3.11.0-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Fix released] [11:28] DktrKranz: sorry, I reopened the bug; Riddell: you have to specify -f for syncbugbot [11:29] pitti: ah... I've seen some of them, if you want, I can reopen them as well [11:29] DktrKranz: that would be nice, thanks [11:30] np, thanks [11:37] http://www.microsoft.com/opensource/heroes/default.mspx <- Become an Open Source Hero (?!) lol === emgent_ is now known as emgent [11:38] emgent: hello [11:38] bzr add * [11:38] "ignored 2 file(s). [11:38] If you wish to add some of these files, please add them by name. [11:38] " [11:38] thanks bzr for not being helpful and not saying which ones and why [11:38] "bzr ignored"? [11:39] jpds: thanks [11:39] seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/76616, FWIW [11:39] Launchpad bug 76616 in bzr "confusing message about ignored files on add" [Low,Confirmed] [11:41] pitti: got time to look at policykit-kde sometime today? [11:41] elmo: thanks [11:41] jr_: oh, yeah, let's; still working on something, maybe in 30 mins or so? [11:42] pitti: ok [11:42] Hobbsee: not sure, maybe there already is a bug against xorg [11:57] seb128: so you don't need the * :) [11:57] seb128: and we found that showing all the files was confusing [11:57] seb128: and many files get ignored repeatedly (e.g. \.o) [11:58] seb128: so the current output is a compromise :) [11:58] lifeless: that's fair enough but telling the user to use bzr ignored to get this list would be good [11:58] that would still fit on one line [11:58] and would be an useful hint for users [11:58] seb128: ack; filing [11:59] lifeless: bug #76616 as pointed by elmo [11:59] Launchpad bug 76616 in bzr "confusing message about ignored files on add" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76616 [12:04] jr_: can you please come to Danakil for the release team meeting? === Fjodor_ is now known as Fjodor === ScottK is now known as ScottK2 === ScottK2 is now known as ScottK [12:36] hello, how can i lock the network card (lan) with certain interface , i need it to have only stick with eth0 for example [12:37] /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and now please read the topic. === Fjodor_ is now known as Fjodor [12:38] ion_, okay , and thanks [12:57] siretart: there? [12:58] siretart: somehow on boot and resume something is starting wpasupplicant for me (independent from the dbus activation) [12:58] siretart: where would that be? [12:59] asac: interesting. do you have a funny /etc/network/interfaces? [13:00] siretart: yeah. sorry for the noise. i added wpa- entries to test my eni backend ;) [13:00] asac: well, that would be it then :) [13:00] interesting how many packages depend on ifupdown :/ [13:00] wonder if those should be recommends instead [13:01] Package: ifupdown [13:01] Priority: important [13:01] that could be the reason :) [13:01] http://paste.ubuntu.com/27715/ [13:02] cdbs depends on ifupdown? - intersting :) [13:02] yeah [13:02] ppp as well [13:02] strange ...why would NM go away :/ [13:02] well, that is not too surprising, since it is related to networking. cdbs however... [13:02] true [13:03] but its not required to have ifupdown in order to use ppp as well ;) [13:03] nor telnet [13:04] intltool causes cdbs to be removed [13:04] strange [13:04] asac: I'm about to upload a new git snapshot to unstable right now, do we want that in intrepid as well? [13:04] ok thats libnxml-parser-perl ;) [13:04] asac: will we go with wpa_supplicant 0.5 or 0.6? [13:04] siretart: do you have it in a ppa so i can test with latest NM? [13:04] siretart: 0.6.x [13:05] i am about to upload NM 0.7 [13:05] asac: no, but that can be arranged [13:05] if you want to [13:05] siretart: i can add you to ~network-manager team [13:05] so you can push to PPA there [13:05] we alrady have a bunch of testers on that PPA [13:05] okay, please do and I'll upload directly there [13:05] let me do that [13:06] done [13:06] siretart: can you also upload hardy there? ... which probably has more testers [13:06] asac: wpasupplicant still didn't build in intrepid btw [13:06] asac: you should fix this before uploading nm0.7 [13:07] seb128: ouch [13:07] thanks [13:07] asac: depwait on libpcsclite [13:07] or libpcsclite-dev rather [13:07] seb128: asac: I'm still waiting for feedback on my latest post to ubuntu-devel on that issue... [13:09] seb128: oh, right. MIR? [13:10] asac: dunno, siretart seems to be waiting on a reply [13:10] siretart: ok, then just upload to hardy for now :/ [13:10] TBH, I don't think we want pcscd in main. the libraries however are very useful to have [13:10] siretart: let me know if there is anything I can do to speed things up [13:10] I'm not sure if we require a full report for this partial MIR [13:11] asac: convince seb128 to promote the libs without a full MIR [13:11] siretart: why do we need that at all in intrepid? [13:11] because we get smartcard support for wpasupplicant this way [13:11] asac: I'll upload to both intrepid and hardy [13:14] asac: another option would be to say publicy on the mailing list that we don't want smartcard support and why. I'll point users that need that feature to you then ;) [13:15] siretart: cant we dlopen it? [13:15] or does it require too much api symbols to make that feasible? [13:15] we would still need the headers at build time AFAIUI [13:15] which is why I propose to do a partial MIR [13:17] ok at least it just depends on libc [13:19] asac: atm. the new package will additionally depend on libpcsclite1 [13:21] siretart: yes i referred to that when saying that it just depends on libc ;) [13:21] What is the difference between nvidia-glx-177 and nvidia-glx-173? They look to support a large overlap of video cards, is that just how nvidia made it? Also, will these drivers make it into hardy? It supports some newer cards that Hardy doesn't. [13:22] lukehasnoname: tseliot would have details, but I think that -177 is still a beta release and will eventually replace -173 [13:22] -173 is by and large the old nvidia-glx-new [13:23] pitti: the old new driver ;-) [13:24] asac: yes. it used to recommend pcscd, but that was for heaven's sake already demoted to suggests [13:24] . o O { which is why we dropped this silly naming schema altogether :) } [13:25] siretart: good. currently looking at code. seems like the lib doesnt do much if the server is not running [13:25] pitti: Makes sense. Will one of those two replace ore stand by the hardy glx-new driver, for my above reason? If you don't know, who would I mention this to, or would I file a bug or needs-packaging? [13:25] asac: wpasupplicant accepted. please ping me if you have tested it :) [13:25] tjaalton: i looked earlier, but didn't see one - not sure if i looked in the wrong place [13:25] *ore/or [13:25] lukehasnoname: yes, tseliot is currently developing scripts for auto-migration [13:25] asac: right. I do use pcscd on my laptop, but not for wpa [13:26] asac: I use pcscd for my gpg card. for gnupg and libpam-poldi [13:26] siretart: question is how well wpasupplicant deals when SHMClientSetupSession fails [13:26] what is SHMClientSetupSession? [13:27] siretart: if i understand its the function in the lib used to establish the socket to pscd (take this with a grain of salt) [13:31] lukehasnoname: have a look at my blog post on the nvidia drivers: http://albertomilone.com/wordpress/?p=212 [13:32] siretart: wpasupplicant already uses dlopen? ... i see that it LOADSYM the SCard symbols [13:32] tseliot: k [13:33] siretart: maybe just shipping winscard.h in wpasupplicant is enough then? [13:36] asac: possibly that would be enough. but I don't have the impression that libpcsclite is already dlopened. this would probably need some more additional development [13:36] tseliot: So you're saying the envy drivers WILL support new video cards, but official hardy drivers won't? [13:37] asac: to be more concrete: I have the impression from reading pcsc_funcs.c that dlopen is only used on windows to load some functions from winscard.dll because of mingw limitations [13:38] which doesn't help us here [13:38] * Hobbsee notes that nm has spontaneiously fixed itself. [13:38] lukehasnoname: yes, it's too risky to update the official lrm [13:46] asac: thanks for the update, has me back on track with the wireless working [13:48] heya [13:55] this is the development chat for ubuntu correct [13:55] yes [13:55] I was hoping that someone could tell me of an easy to use IDE [13:56] i do code some in c++ but new to linux [13:56] 'Development of Ubuntu (not support, not application development on Ubuntu)' [13:56] I apologize I am a noob [13:57] try in ##c++ or something [13:57] wgrant: Admittedly, there is not Ubuntu-app-devel group. Maybe there should be one... I wonder what sort of popularity that would have? Anyway, Vlad, check out ubuntuforums.org. Lots of help there. [13:58] lukehasnoname: there's a ml post about creating a virtual package [13:58] lukehasnoname: probably because there really is a heck of a lot of apps, and relatively few similarities between them [13:58] Thank you [13:58] And there's nothing Ubuntu-specific about application development on Ubuntu. [13:59] wgrant: well aside from knowing which packages to install, and so on [13:59] which we share with debian [14:00] pwnguin: Is one going to get far with coding if one cannot work out which packages one needs? [14:00] pwnguin: isn't that a) what apt's for, and b) what upstream developers should already know? [14:00] and this is what happens every time i bring it up [14:01] whoa, I walked away and came back to a bombardment of h8. Good points guys, calm down, I'm convinced. [14:01] try bringing up a better idea, then? :) [14:02] Hobbsee: would you then provide that comment to mdz? [14:02] as the virtual package was his idea [14:02] morning folks, is there an exhaustive list of the hardware supported throught the restricted driver manager ? [14:03] pwnguin: i wasn't commenting on the metapackage idea. as far as i knew, he was referring to an irc channel and corresponding group for people who were interested in application development on ubuntu to concentrate. [14:03] er, congregate [14:03] pwnguin: as far as i read it, no one actually replied to your statement about the metapackages. [14:04] Hobbsee: right. [14:04] That was what I was getting at, but as I said, there are enough resources for that already [14:04] well, someone would have to actually populate the virt package ;) [14:04] pwnguin: ubuntu-restricted-extras already does that, for a section. [14:04] anyways, no point going on with this if theres no support [14:04] pwnguin: it's rather troublesome, though, as many people have many different ideas about what they all want. [14:04] asac: wpasupplicant package in place. please give me feedback if it works for you [14:05] asac: I'd like to upload it to unstable then [14:05] pwnguin: the metapackages idea may well be a good one - i've not expressed an opinion on it at all :) [14:06] well every time i mention the need for better dev tools, out of the woodwork come these people with a common theme: new developers should just be smarter [14:08] man, I just read a ML post about how GNU needs a rebuild and how distros like Debian have de facto stolen user's rights to free software [14:09] pwnguin: i doubt that anyone thinks that better dev tools aren't a good idea. however, some ideas of dev tools are good, and some are not. from how i see it, some people jumped on a particular idea, saying it wouldn't help. i don't see how that then leads to your sweeping generality. [14:09] lukehasnoname: veracity verified? [14:09] "Instead, we neglected all that grunt work and thus gave rise to Debian and all of the commercial vendors and all of the problems those "mid-stream" players create as they dominate the entire economics of our efforts to create software freedom." [14:10] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-07/msg00466.html [14:10] Hobbsee: its a pattern, not derived from a single event. but at any rate, last time I said i'd come up with a convincing argument before going at length on it again [14:10] as i havent done that yet, i think it's time to start thinking === quassel251 is now known as Riddell [14:13] cjwatson: http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Testing/xserver/ [14:13] cjwatson: I'll have debs up in half an hour or so once they've built [14:17] cjwatson: let me know if that solves the issue and I'll push it to intrepid === pbn_ is now known as pbn [14:45] bryce: I'm having a little issue with xauth, that causes kdesudo not to work as expected... [14:45] bryce: hi, btw :) [14:45] bryce: this is how we generate the xauthority file (tmp file) : [14:46] bryce: /usr/bin/xauth -q -f /tmp/kdesudo-TT4636-xauth generate :0 trusted [14:46] bryce: here is the xauth output : couldn't query Security extension on display ":0" [14:48] bryce: any idea what's going on ? [14:49] Tonio_: maybe you should ping bryce_ [14:49] Tonio_: there were changes in the upstream xorg that disabled the Security extension. it's getting attention already and should be fixed soon. [14:49] tseliot: ah ;) [14:49]