| s3a | does ubuntu 8.04's free software only mode have any proprietary drivers such as drivers for wireless cards in the kernel that are not open source? | 00:51 |
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| pwnguin | it sounds like it shouldn't | 00:53 |
| pwnguin | i assume it works by not enabling -restricted or -multiverse | 00:54 |
| pwnguin | and "evil" drivers should be in restricted | 00:54 |
| s3a | pwnguin: lol im asking cuz both of my wireless cards work | 01:09 |
| s3a | pwnguin: i hadnt expected that | 01:09 |
| s3a | so wait the whole free software only mode is all about not enabling those 2 repositories?? | 01:10 |
| s3a | but there is no proprietary content to begin with in either ubuntu, right? | 01:10 |
| s3a | by either ubuntu i mean the free and non free modes | 01:13 |
| pwnguin | define proprietary | 01:23 |
| pwnguin | nvidia drivers are closed source | 01:23 |
| pwnguin | with a small wedge layer so they work, technically, and sometimes legally | 01:23 |
| pwnguin | s3a: the free software mode is about making sure those repos are accurate | 01:24 |
| pwnguin | i would have loved to have seen it become something like a project to both identify non free software and promote free alternatives, but that appears to have not been a priority | 01:25 |
| s3a | ok so the ubuntu without the free software only mode has no proprietary software installed but has the repositories for proprietary stuff enabled..thats the only difference? | 01:25 |
| pwnguin | what else is there? | 01:26 |
| pwnguin | a different background? | 01:26 |
| s3a | well, wireless cards drivers and i no video card drivers are free so i guess it is fully free | 01:26 |
| s3a | i cant think of anything proprietary | 01:26 |
| s3a | other | 01:26 |
| s3a | than the | 01:26 |
| s3a | artwork for firefox which doesnt matter since it doesnt get in the way of the freedoms and helps firefox keep its identity | 01:27 |
| pwnguin | logos and trademarks are tricky | 01:27 |
| pwnguin | but this is starting to have less to do with the kernel | 01:27 |
| s3a | pwnguin: o ya lol but so ya the kernel is 100% free then? | 01:27 |
| pwnguin | i assume so -- I haven't tried it | 01:28 |
| pwnguin | what i do know is that gobuntu failed at its mission | 01:29 |
| s3a | and wat do kernel upgrades do rely? it allows to see more hardware? | 01:29 |
| s3a | pwnguin: ya cuz of gnewsense | 01:29 |
| s3a | i tried to go there | 01:29 |
| s3a | but they didnt have a 64 bit | 01:29 |
| pwnguin | well, gobuntu was also created because of gnewsense | 01:30 |
| s3a | i would use gnewsense if it had 64 bit | 01:30 |
| s3a | ya but developpers dint want to develop it bcuz of repositories??! like wat kind of reason is that, u can have the proprietary stuff disabled by default | 01:31 |
| pwnguin | i havent followed it closely, but i suspect gnewsense developers didn't want to rely on launchpad | 01:32 |
| s3a | pwnguin: launchpad is proprietary? | 01:34 |
| pwnguin | launchpad is owned by canonical and not all the source code is available | 01:34 |
| s3a | o sh*t | 01:35 |
| pwnguin | of course, it's also nowhere near stable, and I suspect one of their goals requires a stable abi | 01:35 |
| s3a | y is canonical of all ppl being like that?? | 01:35 |
| pwnguin | api really | 01:35 |
| s3a | wait wats abi and api | 01:35 |
| pwnguin | in the context of web software, the meaning of urls in relationship to the data they access | 01:36 |
| pwnguin | I suspect the goal of launchpad is to create a distributed bug tracker in the same way we have a distributed code tracker | 01:37 |
| pwnguin | I believe ive read that once they're satisfied that launchpad is capable of tracking another instance of itself, they'll release the code | 01:38 |
| pwnguin | i think they've released the code to rosetta or something as a goodwill gesture | 01:38 |
| pwnguin | and like i said, it's still moving. they just redid the UI last week | 01:40 |
| pwnguin | once you release the code, you'll have people who won't upgrade despite the code being "alpha"/"beta"; like a filesystem, you're doomed to worrying about it until the last user dissapears | 01:41 |
| s3a | pwnguin: u kinda lost me but i have to eat breakfast now anyway | 02:17 |
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| soren | 20:59:09 < soren> amitk: Wow, that's convenient. make mrproper nukes the debian/ directory even if you've spent 3-4 hours tweaking it and haven't committed any of it. | 14:20 |
| alex_joni | soren: yeah, it's quite fun.. I've got bitten by it a couple times too | 14:20 |
| amitk | soren: that was always the case :) | 14:24 |
| amitk | it is a conflict between the in-kernel config system vs. debian | 14:25 |
| soren | amitk: Ok. It doesn't help much that if there's cruft in the tree, make helpfully tells me that "hey, you should try running mrproper". | 14:28 |
| soren | ...and so I did, and then the dear Mr. Proper ate 4 hours of my work. | 14:28 |
| * soren is not a fan of Mr. Proper anymore. | 14:28 | |
| amitk | soren: you probably ran a 'make menuconfig' in the directory :) | 14:31 |
| alex_joni | amitk: how do you generate the config file usually? | 14:36 |
| amitk | alex_joni: tied up in a meeting that requires my attention. Catch me tomorrow please.... | 14:39 |
| alex_joni | amitk: sure, no hurry.. | 14:39 |
| soren | amitk: No, I think I acutally ran dpkg-buildpackage -b. | 14:51 |
| soren | I never ran menuconfig | 14:51 |
| gnomefreak | 2.6.16.4 broke uspash. | 15:48 |
| gnomefreak | oops | 15:48 |
| gnomefreak | 2.6.26.4 | 15:48 |
| maks_ | ther is no uspash | 16:14 |
| gnomefreak | there was | 16:21 |
| gnomefreak | prior to .4 update i had a uslash (are we dropping it? or is it just meant not to have one)? | 16:22 |
| AlexCONRAD | hi, I just installed the 8.04.1 alternate xubuntu. It seems that I no longer seem to need to install an alternative driver from realtek to make my RTL8111C network card to work (r8168/r8169 modules) | 17:11 |
| BenC | alex_joni: excellent | 17:35 |
| alex_joni | BenC: meant AlexCONRAD? | 18:22 |
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| BenC | alex_joni: yeah, stupid nick completion :) | 19:23 |
| stgraber | BenC: if you happen to have a second, can you fix bug 246222 ? it shouldn't take more than a minute to fix it in git so I can use my custom dsdt with the next kernel :) (not that I don't like the sound of my lappy fan going full speed all the time ...) | 20:06 |
| stgraber | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/246222 (as you don't have ubottu here) | 20:06 |
| stgraber | BenC: thanks | 20:33 |
| solarion | anyone around to help diagnose an eSATA problem? | 22:28 |
| solarion | I gots tasty error messages! | 22:28 |
| solarion | no takers? It could be interesting | 22:36 |
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