| ScottK | k0p: I'm a Kubuntu user. Your .desktop isn't going to work to well for me. | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| ScottK | Note: the answer involves su-to-rrot. | 00:00 |
| k0p | so if I use menu files is it works in Kubuntu? | 00:01 |
| ScottK | Not what I'm saying. | 00:02 |
| ScottK | su-to-root will used gksudo or kdesudo depending on which DE is in use. | 00:02 |
| ScottK | You need to add a call to either dh_pysupport or dh_pycentral. | 00:02 |
| k0p | ok | 00:03 |
| k0p | but I'm on ubuntu and I don't have su-to-root command | 00:03 |
| k0p | is it normal? | 00:03 |
| ScottK | It's normal for people doing Ubuntu stuff to forget Kubuntu exists. | 00:04 |
| ScottK | I think it's in the menu package. | 00:04 |
| k0p | I can't forgot the Kubuntu exists.. | 00:05 |
| k0p | Because I have twice machines .. One of them have Kubuntu :p | 00:05 |
| ScottK | Good for you. | 00:05 |
| ScottK | Yes, it's in menu | 00:05 |
| stgraber | ScottK: su-to-root should be moved to another package and be installed by default ... (installing menu by default is IMHO not a good idea) | 00:06 |
| ScottK | stgraber: I just volunteer here. Above my paygrade. | 00:06 |
| ScottK | Good point though. | 00:06 |
| k0p | ScottK, I added dh_pycentral | 00:10 |
| k0p | but I don't understand yet what its suppose it to do | 00:10 |
| ScottK | You'll need XS-Python-Version and XB-Python-Version in debian/rules | 00:11 |
| k0p | ScottK, or in debian/control? | 00:12 |
| ScottK | Control, yes. | 00:13 |
| ScottK | Sorry | 00:13 |
| NCommander | ScottK, should I put the manpages in for the library in the -dev, or put it in a seperate -doc | 00:15 |
| NCommander | (I've seen it all sorts of ways on Debian, so I'm curious if Ubuntu has a preference) | 00:15 |
| ScottK | You only need a -doc package if the docs are big? | 00:16 |
| NCommander | Pretty small, manpages | 00:16 |
| NCommander | It goes in dev, right? | 00:16 |
| ScottK | man page should go in the same binary that supplies the file that the man page is for, IMO. | 00:17 |
| * ScottK is no library expert. | 00:17 | |
| * NCommander is not either | 00:17 | |
| NCommander | It makes sense for me to put it in -dev, since if you not going to be doing development work for a library, why clutter up the filesystem? | 00:17 |
| ScottK | If I can type /usr/bin/foo, I ought to be able to type man foo and learn something with installing another package. | 00:17 |
| ScottK | with/without | 00:18 |
| ScottK | urgh | 00:18 |
| NCommander | THere are no executable binaries in this package | 00:18 |
| NCommander | just a single library | 00:18 |
| ScottK | Then -dev. | 00:18 |
| NCommander | That's what I thought :-) | 00:18 |
| NCommander | I'm just clearing out the lintman warnings, and I'll upload to revu | 00:18 |
| k0p | ScottK, what is XB-Python-Version? | 00:20 |
| ScottK | That's for the binary package what python versions it supports. | 00:21 |
| ScottK | Since you are packaging an application, I recommend 'current' | 00:21 |
| k0p | it's little weird because in XS-Python-Version you put >= 2.3 | 00:22 |
| ScottK | I'd put current there too. | 00:23 |
| k0p | ok | 00:23 |
| ScottK | No need to have an application built for multiple versions. | 00:23 |
| ScottK | Grab the Intrepid source for pypolicyd-spf if you want an example. | 00:23 |
| k0p | ok | 00:24 |
| k0p | ScottK, when I can see the source files? | 00:26 |
| jdong | to whomever who approved bug 246834, the package in proposed uses wrong Closes format | 00:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 246834 in xkeyboard-config "No support for for Mac-like keyboard layouts with extra characters" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/246834 | 00:27 |
| ScottK | k0p: dget -x https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/pypolicyd-spf/0.7-1/+files/pypolicyd-spf_0.7-1.dsc | 00:27 |
| ScottK | jdong: Heya. You missed a 'fun' Flash backport over the weekend. | 00:28 |
| jdong | ScottK: oh but I read the aftermath | 00:28 |
| jdong | ScottK: FWIW it worked on my 64-bit system :-/ | 00:28 |
| jdong | though I paid no attention to CPU usage | 00:28 |
| NCommander | Two lintian warnings left. yay | 00:29 |
| jdong | oh what silliness, 2W less battery consumption with hacked kernel 2.6.26 | 00:30 |
| jdong | now how to properly switch this macbook mobo to AHCI... | 00:31 |
| jdong | shocking that simply talking to it as if it were an AHCI device actually worked | 00:31 |
| k0p | ScottK, so with this my rules it's totally useless? | 00:31 |
| NCommander | jdong, I got a pro with **** battery life, any chance your hacked kernel will work on mine? | 00:33 |
| ScottK | k0p: Your rules are debhelper based and mine (in that package) are cdbs. They will look different and that's OK. | 00:34 |
| k0p | so twice it's fine? | 00:34 |
| k0p | both are acceptable? | 00:34 |
| stgraber | cdbs actually generates debhelper rules but it's usually easier and you get a cleaner rules file | 00:35 |
| stgraber | for standard "./configure && make && make install" packaging it should only be 2-3 lines with cdbs vs a lot more with debhelper | 00:36 |
| NCommander | ScottK, my package is architecture specific, should I list lpia as a seperate arch in the control file, or will i386 be enough | 00:37 |
| Adri2000 | NCommander: any doesn't work? | 00:39 |
| stgraber | what do you mean by arch specific ? It can only build on a limited number of arch ? | 00:39 |
| NCommander | stgraber, yeah | 00:39 |
| Adri2000 | ah | 00:39 |
| NCommander | sparc, i386, amd64, hppa | 00:39 |
| NCommander | (sorta on the last one, the full API isn't available on hppa) | 00:40 |
| stgraber | ah, so then you'll need to specify lpia | 00:40 |
| NCommander | Ugh, that's going to make getting this package accepting into Debian "fun" | 00:40 |
| stgraber | hmm, indeed :) | 00:41 |
| NCommander | This probably is a new issue, since there are very few packages which aren't arch all | 00:41 |
| NCommander | (I need this package to resolve a FTBFS on amd64 for google-preftools) | 00:41 |
| ScottK | NCommander: List lpia | 00:44 |
| NCommander | Thanks | 00:44 |
| NCommander | That should be noted somewhere on the wiki | 00:44 |
| k0p | ScottK, what do you suggest to fix sudo question? replace gksu by su-to-root | 00:58 |
| k0p | ? | 00:58 |
| * NCommander grumbles about the pain of splitting this package is | 01:26 | |
| CyberCod | I've been trying to understand the whole packaging process... | 01:26 |
| CyberCod | I must admit, so far it is beyond me | 01:26 |
| NCommander | CyberCod, ever compile software from source? | 01:27 |
| CyberCod | yes, once, but several times I've tried and had errors and didn't know how to correct the problems | 01:27 |
| NCommander | Knowing a bit of C/C++ is a lot of help | 01:27 |
| CyberCod | dependencies I guess | 01:27 |
| CyberCod | yeah, thats where I fall down | 01:28 |
| NCommander | CyberCod, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ - this is how I learned how to package for Debian | 01:28 |
| NCommander | Pretty much | 01:28 |
| CyberCod | I did manage to make a local repo on my LAN | 01:28 |
| CyberCod | I'm still learning | 01:28 |
| CyberCod | its just sluggish | 01:28 |
| CyberCod | I am thinking of trying a tougher distro so that I have to get the hang of compiling | 01:29 |
| CyberCod | like slackware or something | 01:29 |
| CyberCod | and then come back to ubuntu with that under my belt | 01:29 |
| NCommander | Go use Arch if you want to compile | 01:30 |
| NCommander | Or gentoo | 01:30 |
| CyberCod | I went through that guide before, still felt lost | 01:30 |
| CyberCod | yeah | 01:30 |
| CyberCod | I heard gentoo is tough | 01:30 |
| CyberCod | I've got an old box I could tinker with it on though | 01:31 |
| NCommander | It takes three lines to install gentoo | 01:31 |
| NCommander | But each one is a few thousand characters long ;-) | 01:31 |
| CyberCod | oh | 01:31 |
| CyberCod | I'm relatively new to linux... started with dapper | 01:32 |
| NCommander | If you want ot see a *really* simple package, apt-get source hello ;-) | 01:32 |
| CyberCod | but I've been banging away it it pretty heavily | 01:32 |
| NCommander | I used to run BSDs before I got here | 01:32 |
| CyberCod | I think I understood the mechanics of packaging okay, I just don't know how to troubleshoot when things go awry | 01:33 |
| NCommander | Just hang out around here, and your bound to pick up a few things | 01:33 |
| CyberCod | I hope to | 01:33 |
| NCommander | I'd suggest trying to find a broken source package and then making it compile | 01:33 |
| NCommander | But I already fixed a lot of the easier FTBFS bugs >.<; | 01:33 |
| CyberCod | do you add packages also? | 01:34 |
| CyberCod | or just bugfix? | 01:34 |
| NCommander | Not as often | 01:34 |
| NCommander | I'm currently working on packaging though | 01:34 |
| NCommander | A rather anonying library which installs different files on different architectures ... | 01:35 |
| CyberCod | I found a really nice DVD authoring app, I was really surprised it wasn't already in the repos... heard of ManDVD? | 01:35 |
| CyberCod | that does sound annoying | 01:35 |
| NCommander | Not offhand | 01:36 |
| NCommander | link? | 01:36 |
| CyberCod | similar in use to Nerovision Express.... hang on I'll find it for you | 01:36 |
| CyberCod | http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Video/ManDVD-12812.shtml | 01:37 |
| CyberCod | it already has a Debian package.... it just downloads like 37 dependencies when you run it through Gdebi | 01:37 |
| CyberCod | much friendlier than Qdvdauthor though | 01:38 |
| CyberCod | my wife can use it | 01:38 |
| NCommander | CyberCod, a debian package thats on packages.debian.org? | 01:47 |
| NCommander | ok, I see | 01:48 |
| NCommander | It's only in debian-multimedia | 01:49 |
| NCommander | But we should be able to sync it right into Ubuntu | 01:49 |
| * NCommander pokes ScottK | 01:49 | |
| CyberCod | nice | 01:50 |
| CyberCod | its a good app.... others should be able to find it easily and enjoy it | 01:50 |
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| NCommander | If it can't be synced, it should be very straightforward to get it through revu | 01:51 |
| CyberCod | it installed easily, just downloaded a butt-load of dependencies | 01:51 |
| NCommander | Not suprising | 01:51 |
| CyberCod | be good for UbuntuStudio default DVD app | 01:52 |
| NCommander | Adri2000, ping? | 01:52 |
| CyberCod | can't really make a default DVD app for regular Ubuntu, due to format restrictions, though, right? | 01:52 |
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| NCommander | yeah, that's why DVD playback (and MP3 too) is disabled out of the box on ubuntu | 01:52 |
| CyberCod | yeah | 01:53 |
| NCommander | Most people who enable it don't really have a legal license ... | 01:53 |
| CyberCod | this is true | 01:53 |
| CyberCod | most people couldn't care less | 01:53 |
| CyberCod | but if it keeps canonical out of court, then I think they made the right decision | 01:54 |
| CyberCod | its easy enough to add in after installation | 01:54 |
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| NCommander | ScottK, ping | 02:04 |
| Adri2000 | NCommander: pong? | 02:08 |
| CyberCod | is DVD and MP3 disabled on UbuntuStudio also? | 02:08 |
| NCommander | Adri2000, can we sync packages from debian-multimedia? | 02:09 |
| Adri2000 | yes | 02:09 |
| cody-somerville | So does anyone know why the CC meeting didn't occur? | 02:10 |
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| NCommander | Adri2000, where do I file a bug for a package to be synced? | 02:15 |
| Adri2000 | launchpad :) | 02:15 |
| CyberCod | would it really be considered a bug that a package isn't included? | 02:16 |
| Adri2000 | !sync | 02:16 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about sync | 02:16 |
| CyberCod | I'm not objecting, I'm curious | 02:16 |
| Adri2000 | CyberCod: a wishlist bug yes | 02:17 |
| NCommander | Adri2000, I meant more specifically, I forgot where I put the sync request | 02:17 |
| CyberCod | ah | 02:17 |
| Adri2000 | NCommander: if you want to sync from debian, you can use the requestsync script (ubuntu-dev-tools the package), otherwise the wikipage is wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess iirc | 02:18 |
| NCommander | Adri2000, thanks | 02:18 |
| * NCommander attempts to figure out lintian overrides | 02:18 | |
| NCommander | First time I ever got a package that needed one | 02:18 |
| NCommander | Adri2000, I need to kill shlib-with-executable-stack in libunwind7, got any idea how to do that? | 02:19 |
| Adri2000 | I've never dealt with lintian overrides, but what about echo shlib-with-executable-stack > debian/<binary>.overrides ? | 02:20 |
| NCommander | Trying that | 02:21 |
| NCommander | Meh, this is the one thing I've never done packaging or fixing a FTBFS | 02:21 |
| Adri2000 | NCommander: it's actually .lintian-overrides | 02:21 |
| Adri2000 | and you need to call dh_lintian in your rules | 02:22 |
| NCommander | I don't have a dh_lintian O_o; | 02:22 |
| NCommander | nor can packages.d.o find one ... | 02:23 |
| Adri2000 | it's in debhelper >= 6.0.7 | 02:24 |
| NCommander | *grumble* | 02:25 |
| NCommander | So only on intrepid? | 02:25 |
| Adri2000 | or you can just install them manually to /usr/share/lintian/overrides | 02:25 |
| Adri2000 | hardy has dh 6 | 02:25 |
| NCommander | 6.0.4 | 02:25 |
| Adri2000 | but 6.0.4 indeed | 02:25 |
| NCommander | *grumbles* | 02:26 |
| Adri2000 | try backports | 02:26 |
| NCommander | Oh pretty | 02:27 |
| NCommander | It FTBFS on intrepid right out of the box | 02:27 |
| NCommander | Figures | 02:27 |
| NCommander | I'll deal with this headache later, I'm going to the movies | 02:28 |
| CyberCod | whatcha goin to see? | 02:28 |
| NCommander | wall-e | 02:29 |
| CyberCod | ah | 02:29 |
| CyberCod | enjoy | 02:29 |
| CyberCod | and thanks for listening | 02:30 |
| NCommander | yeah | 02:30 |
| * Adri2000 goes to sleep | 02:30 | |
| NCommander | I'll request the sync when I get back | 02:31 |
| snadge | wheres the changelog for the latest kernel update (hardy) | 03:10 |
| Hobbsee | snadge: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-meta/linux-meta_2.6.24.19.21/changelog will tell you | 03:24 |
| kostmo | anybody home? looking for a couple reviewers to finalize my pyrocket package: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=2857 | 04:00 |
| ilowe | Hi guys, I have my own private apt repo. I have signed the Release file and added my key to the apt trusted keychain; but I still get an "untrusted" message when I try to install packages. Any ideas? | 04:19 |
| nxvl | emgent: did you solved your problem? | 04:30 |
| ScottK | Any REVU admins around? | 04:37 |
| Hobbsee | mmm? | 04:38 |
| ScottK | You might consider updating the Lintian the REVU is using. It's a bit dated. | 04:38 |
| Hobbsee | i think i still am | 04:38 |
| ScottK | The one that was just sync'ed from Debian today has a number of good improvements and works fine on Hardy. | 04:38 |
| nxvl | ScottK: i think i have already asked this today, but sync are made by archive admins, isn't them? | 04:39 |
| nxvl | (aren't?) | 04:39 |
| * nxvl needs to sleep | 04:39 | |
| ScottK | Sync's are done by archive-admins, but if you aren't a motu/core-dev you need to get one to ack the request. | 04:40 |
| emgent | nxvl: sure. | 04:41 |
| nxvl | ScottK: yes, i was asking after the ack | 04:44 |
| nxvl | :D | 04:44 |
| nxvl | ScottK: thank you! | 04:44 |
| Gralco | can anyone help me be eligible to be in the MOTU team | 04:47 |
| * Gralco corrects himself *become | 04:48 | |
| * NCommander grumbles | 05:37 | |
| NCommander | Anyone alive? | 05:51 |
| NCommander | ScottK, RAOF ping | 06:06 |
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| NCommander | Finally, finally got this done | 07:09 |
| \sh | good morning | 07:13 |
| NCommander | morning \sh | 07:18 |
| * NCommander finishes packaging libunwind, clearing its lintian warnings on source/binary, and adding the get-orig-source target | 07:18 | |
| NCommander | I think its finally ready for REVU ;-) | 07:18 |
| NCommander | Is anyone here willing to look at my package in REVU? | 07:30 |
| * NCommander looks into grumpy groundhog | 08:12 | |
| NCommander | morning Ekushey | 08:15 |
| Ekushey | thank you NCommander :) | 08:16 |
| NCommander | I uploaded my first new package to REVU, took ages to work out all the lintian issues | 08:17 |
| NCommander | (damn thing needed a lintian override in the end -_-) | 08:17 |
| azeem | NCommander: why didn't you update libunwind-0.98.5 in intrepid rather? | 08:24 |
| NCommander | azeem, http://packages.ubunut.com/search?suite=intrepid&searchon=names&keywords=libunwind - what libunwind? | 08:25 |
| Laney | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libunwind | 08:25 |
| NCommander | well | 08:25 |
| NCommander | ... | 08:25 |
| azeem | hrm, weirs | 08:25 |
| NCommander | I can't be blamed for not checking | 08:25 |
| azeem | well, there seems to be some story behind it | 08:26 |
| azeem | if the source is there but no binary packages | 08:26 |
| NCommander | It's only for ia64 | 08:27 |
| NCommander | At least the packaged version is | 08:27 |
| NCommander | Probably because only the ia64 completely passes the test suite (its documented in the manual that its expected not to fully pass on other archs) | 08:27 |
| azeem | looks like a shortcoming in packages.ubuntu.com then | 08:28 |
| NCommander | yeah | 08:28 |
| NCommander | *grumbles* | 08:28 |
| NCommander | there goes five hours of my life I won't get back | 08:28 |
| NCommander | ALthough on the plus side, I did learn quite a bit about packaging libraries | 08:28 |
| azeem | now you can compare to the existing package :) | 08:29 |
| Rocket2DMn | Hi, I'm not sure if I went outside my jurisdiction confirming this bug, but a package maintainer needs to perform the sync, and thus be aware of it, see bug 246823 | 08:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 246823 in gwyddion "New upstream release of gwyddion (2.10) available" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/246823 | 08:29 |
| * NCommander is not ina good mood | 08:29 | |
| NCommander | azeem, on the plus side, my DD application actually moved | 08:29 |
| NCommander | Probably the first DD to ever get accepted as a "hurd porter" | 08:30 |
| NCommander | ^through the FD | 08:30 |
| Rocket2DMn | anybody? | 08:31 |
| NCommander | so now that I'm sorta ticked about this | 08:40 |
| NCommander | I'm going to go lie down, and then work on merging this cluster**** tommorow | 08:41 |
| Hobbsee | hey jono | 09:11 |
| jono | hey | 09:12 |
| huats | morning everyone | 09:14 |
| Rocket2DMn | is somebody interested in taking this request? bug 246822 | 09:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 246822 in prism "Prism on Intrepid should be updated to new upstream version 0.9" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/246822 | 09:21 |
| waistless | been told to ask here, how do I force sun-java6-plugin to use the regular xulrunner1.6 instead of the one in hardy-proposed? | 09:53 |
| waistless | because it doesn't require it, sun-java6-plugin is only in the normal hardy repo | 09:53 |
| Flannel | Why is there a hardy kernel in universe? | 10:00 |
| wgrant | Flannel: Because some kernel flavours are in universe. | 10:07 |
| Flannel | wgrant: -generic? | 10:07 |
| Flannel | http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/linux-image-2.6.24-19-generic | 10:07 |
| wgrant | Flannel: That is a bug. | 10:08 |
| wgrant | But you shouldn't be using packages.ubuntu.com to work that out. | 10:08 |
| Flannel | wgrant: The rest of the world agrees. | 10:08 |
| Flannel | Its easier than showing you a line number on a Packages.gz file | 10:08 |
| wgrant | Flannel: Launchpad knows better. | 10:08 |
| wgrant | Launchpad is the source of the information in the first place, and is more obvious, and isn't likely to be days out of date. | 10:09 |
| Flannel | wgrant: The repositories still reflect it in universe | 10:09 |
| wgrant | Right. | 10:09 |
| slytherin | Flannel: what does rmadison command say? | 10:12 |
| wgrant | Flannel: It's in hardy-updates/main, so it should be OK. | 10:12 |
| wgrant | But it's still broken. | 10:12 |
| Flannel | slytherin: I don't have hardy, but: http://paste.ubuntu.com/27681/ | 10:16 |
| slytherin | Flannel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/27687/ | 10:18 |
| huats | Syntux__: are you around ? | 10:24 |
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| Syntux__ | huats, I am now | 10:36 |
| geser | wgrant: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/linux-image-2.6.24-19-generic/+index lists it for -updates in main and for -security in universe | 11:16 |
| wgrant | geser: I thought I said that earlier. | 11:17 |
| geser | then I should read the scroll-back more carefully :) | 11:18 |
| slytherin | geser: any luck with batik yesterday? | 11:23 |
| geser | slytherin: it FTBFS for me during applying the patches | 11:24 |
| wgrant | That seems to be batik's favourite pasttime. | 11:25 |
| slytherin | geser: really? which patch? | 11:25 |
| geser | slytherin: one moment, checking again | 11:25 |
| geser | perhaps I did a mistake in building the .orig.tar.gz | 11:25 |
| geser | slytherin: Trying patch debian/patches/01_build_xml.patch at level 1 ... 0 ... 2 ... failure. | 11:27 |
| slytherin | geser: I will check again when I go home and see if the problem is really with the patch. | 11:28 |
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| geser | slytherin: I guess it's my .orig.tar.gz. For some reason it contains only pdf-transcoder | 11:28 |
| slytherin | he he | 11:28 |
| slytherin | geser: still I will have to check. May be the orig-source target was not proper. | 11:29 |
| geser | slytherin: let me first rerun get-orig-source after I installed unzip. I hope that I've now all packages needed for get-orig-source. | 11:31 |
| slytherin | geser: Ok. Got to go. Have meeting. Will catch you later. | 11:31 |
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| geser | slytherin: after finally getting a correct .orig.tar.gz it builds without problems. | 11:49 |
| siretart | \o/ | 11:50 |
| siretart | finally working batik? | 11:50 |
| geser | siretart: it builds at least | 11:50 |
| siretart | geser: I'm very looking forward in finally having a working fop, actually | 11:52 |
| siretart | and that is build-depending on batik | 11:53 |
| geser | siretart: I just give fop a test-build with batik 1.7 and it FTBFS :( | 12:13 |
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| siretart | geser: :( | 12:43 |
| huats | ScottK: are you around ? | 12:54 |
| huats | (I know you remember I was looking for you yesterday) | 12:55 |
| ScottK-palm | jdong: I've been through all *-backports and for dapper/hardy everything that's tested is acked. feisty/gutsy have some you need to look at. | 13:29 |
| * ScottK-palm will be off the grid most of the day. | 13:30 | |
| emgent | hey hey | 13:48 |
| null_vector | morning | 13:54 |
| slytherin | geser: Great, you sponsor batik, I will take care of anything that depends on it. :-D | 14:13 |
| geser | slytherin: as the source package is repackaged, shouldn't it be visible in the version string? | 14:17 |
| slytherin | geser: It is not dfsg repackaged right? I don't know much about that aspect. 1.6 didn't have any special version even though it was repackaged. Also README.Debian-source specified that it was repackaged. | 14:18 |
| geser | but it's not also just the upstream zip converted into a .orig.tar.gz | 14:20 |
| persia | Typically doing java .jar or .zip to .tar.gz is considered similar to .tar.bz -> .tar.gz. | 14:20 |
| slytherin | persia: here I am adding additional sources for pdf-transcoder which is available only as jar in original upstream zip archive. | 14:21 |
| geser | persia: this also contains a additional svn export | 14:21 |
| persia | That doesn't belong in orig.tar.gz: it should either be a patch, or the version ought be something like +svn... | 14:22 |
| balachmar_ | Hi, I am trying to create a deb using pbuilder but I am running into problems | 14:23 |
| slytherin | persia: I just did what was done in previous version also except the svn tag is different. Can we discuss this with Debian guys? | 14:24 |
| balachmar_ | I have started a forum thread here, in which I have posted a link to the output pbuilder gives: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5378699#post5378699 | 14:24 |
| persia | That probably makes the most sense. | 14:24 |
| slytherin | persia: Also the svn export is done from fop and not batik. So +svn version is also not appropriate. | 14:24 |
| persia | Yeah: that belongs in debian/patches, not in orig.tar.gz. It can be discussed with Debian, but stuffing it in orig.tar.gz just makes it hard to determine how we differ from upstream. | 14:25 |
| slytherin | persia: Keeping it in patch is easy but it will increase of diff.gz very much. Do you want me to write mail to debian-java list or will you do that. I am not sure I will be able to explain properly. | 14:27 |
| persia | slytherin: If you could send the email, that would be great. I haven't looked at the specifics, but in general, the rule is that orig.tar.gz ought be identical to upstream. | 14:29 |
| slytherin | persia: Fine. I will ask for your review before I send it. | 14:29 |
| persia | slytherin: Sure. I've spotty network under current circumstances: please feel free to get another's review if I'm unavailable. | 14:30 |
| slytherin | oks | 14:30 |
| balachmar_ | Could someone help me find out what goes wrong with pbuilder, because this error: E: pbuilder-satisfydepends failed. Isn't very informative | 14:32 |
| slytherin | balachmar_: scroll your build output above. There must be some package missing/uninstallable. | 14:34 |
| balachmar_ | http://pastebin.com/m2074bae6 this is a new pastbin. It starts with some package that are not installed, then it seems to select those packages (which is normal I think). Then some packages have unmet dependencies. Then it tries to resolve those. Then it says Score is -9850?? | 14:38 |
| balachmar_ | then it removes the package: pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy, which is normal I guess.. and then later it says: Aptitude couldn't satisfy the build dependencies | 14:39 |
| balachmar_ | E: pbuilder-satisfydepends failed. | 14:39 |
| slytherin | persia: geser: Please review - http://paste.ubuntu.com/27735/ | 14:42 |
| slytherin | balachmar_: Check line 95 - 103 in your pastebin | 14:43 |
| balachmar_ | slytherin: yeah, I have noticed them, but aren't they fixed in line 112 and 113? I will add those dependencies to the build deps | 14:45 |
| slytherin | balachmar_: No. The build dependencies you have specified are not installable. See if you have specified correct versions. | 14:46 |
| balachmar_ | slytherin: ok will fix that | 14:47 |
| geser | balachmar_: use the correct package names: the dev package for pcre is called libpcre3-dev (not pcre-dev) and for dbus it's libdbus-1-dev (and not dbus-dev) (similar for the others) | 14:47 |
| slytherin | balachmar_: looks like the names are wrong. There is no gtk-xdev in Ubuntu, it should be something like libgtk2.0-dev | 14:48 |
| balachmar_ | geser: Thanks | 14:48 |
| geser | slytherin: looks good (small typo in line 7: teh -> the) | 14:49 |
| geser | slytherin: iirc there is no requirement that a repackaged package must be named .dsfg, it's just a common one | 14:50 |
| slytherin | geser: Sent to debian-java mailing list. Let's wait for their inouts. | 14:51 |
| slytherin | inputs | 14:51 |
| geser | slytherin: re batik review: if you need to modify the package again could you please remove the -1 from the versioned (build-)dependencies as that would fix a lintian warning | 14:54 |
| slytherin | geser: sure | 14:54 |
| slytherin | geser: Can you tell me what error did you get while building fop? May be I can work on them tonight meanwhile. | 14:57 |
| persia | slytherin: I can only echo geser. Nice post. | 14:57 |
| slytherin | :-) | 14:57 |
| persia | Separately, +dfsg is often used when something needed to be removed for DFSG reasons. Often +debian is used when there are other special arrangements for building the upstream source. | 14:58 |
| geser | slytherin: too many errors and warnings that would fit into a terminal but I've seen at the end a summary telling the were 23 errors and over 300 warnings | 14:58 |
| slytherin | geser: Oh, my kind of work. :-D | 14:59 |
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| balachmar_ | ok, now it got to the compiling stage, but it raised an error there: /usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/libgnome-2.a(gnome-config.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC | 15:00 |
| balachmar_ | /usr/lib/libgnome-2.a: could not read symbols: Bad value | 15:00 |
| balachmar_ | Might this error be because I am on a 64 bit system and I have not added i32 stuff to the build dep? | 15:01 |
| slytherin | balachmar_: what package are you trying to build? | 15:03 |
| balachmar_ | openFTD | 15:03 |
| balachmar_ | http://www.openftd.org/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19&Itemid=35 | 15:03 |
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| geser | balachmar_: is the package using static linking? because of libgnome-2.a | 15:06 |
| balachmar_ | geser: How would I find that out? | 15:08 |
| geser | balachmar_: check the Makefile | 15:09 |
| balachmar_ | what am I looking for, I haven't made makefiles myself | 15:10 |
| geser | good question, I'm not sure myself | 15:11 |
| balachmar_ | But what if it is using static linking? | 15:15 |
| geser | try to change it to dynamic linking | 15:17 |
| warp10 | Heya all | 15:19 |
| balachmar_ | I have no idea where to say that it should link dynamically. Also I have found out that it has something to do with: -fPIC. The error states that I should recompile using -fPIC. (But is that about the library or the program?) | 15:35 |
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| nixternal | OK, I need some regex help here....how would you remove everything after the package name with the following example? -> binutils-2.17.50.0.6-6.el5.i386.rpm to binutils | 15:50 |
| StevenK | s/-\d.*// | 15:51 |
| geser | nixternal: echo "binutils-2.17.50.0.6-6.el5.i386.rpm to binutils" | sed -re "s/([[:alpha:]]*).*/\1/" | 15:53 |
| nixternal | thank you sirs | 15:53 |
| nixternal | you are my heros!!!! | 15:54 |
| geser | nice, I just did a rebuild of pyepl: the compilation fails and still the package build continues :( | 16:04 |
| xerxas | hi all | 16:30 |
| xerxas | is there a reason for a package to disappear in a new release ? | 16:32 |
| xerxas | I see a package that is in dapper, edgy, feisty and gutsy but not in hardy | 16:32 |
| geser | xerxas: several, which package is it? | 16:33 |
| StevenK | xerxas: Yes, which package? | 16:33 |
| xerxas | geser, source: bandersnatch, binary: bandersnatch and bandersnatch-frontend | 16:33 |
| xerxas | seems to build fine with gutsy's dsc on my hardy-amd64 pbuilder | 16:34 |
| * StevenK is checking | 16:35 | |
| geser | xerxas: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/removals.txt : open security holes, unmaintained, removed from Debian | 16:35 |
| xerxas | also, how can I build the package for i386 on a amd64 machine ? | 16:37 |
| StevenK | xerxas: Build an i386 chroot | 16:37 |
| xerxas | I need to create a pbuilder for i386 , right ? | 16:37 |
| xerxas | ok | 16:37 |
| StevenK | So, yes. | 16:37 |
| * kees likes sbuild over pbuilder </advertisement> | 16:37 | |
| xerxas | ;) | 16:37 |
| StevenK | kees: Fix sbuild so that it doesn't need many many many many many chroots :-) | 16:37 |
| xerxas | never heard about sbuild | 16:37 |
| kees | xerxas: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SbuildLVMHowto | 16:38 |
| StevenK | steven@liquified:~% schroot -l | wc -l | 16:38 |
| StevenK | 18 | 16:38 |
| kees | hehe, this is fun | 16:39 |
| kees | $ schroot -l | wc -l | 16:39 |
| kees | 28 | 16:39 |
| kees | though, I think the person closer to 0 is the winner. :) | 16:39 |
| xerxas | geser, is there a way to know wich security issues are on that package | 16:40 |
| laga | i've got 0. | 16:40 |
| StevenK | xerxas: I daresay checking the Debian BTS might tell you | 16:40 |
| kees | laga wins. :) | 16:40 |
| xerxas | me too , I have 0 ;) | 16:41 |
| laga | kees: i was surprised not to have the "command not found" joker, though :) | 16:41 |
| xerxas | anyway, guys, thanks ! | 16:41 |
| kees | xerxas: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=bandersnatch | 16:41 |
| StevenK | kees: Many? :-) | 16:42 |
| kees | only 4. | 16:42 |
| StevenK | Which cover some brutal issues | 16:42 |
| StevenK | Multiple XSS and SQL injection. | 16:42 |
| StevenK | xerxas: Don't use it. | 16:42 |
| kees | xerxas: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=442046 | 16:42 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 442046 in wnpp "O: bandersnatch -- Log Jabber conversations to a peer-visible" [Normal,Closed] | 16:42 |
| xerxas | StevenK, why so ? | 16:43 |
| StevenK | xerxas: Because it does not look safe | 16:43 |
| xerxas | StevenK, I don't mind, I need it | 16:44 |
| xerxas | it will not be public | 16:44 |
| lilgies | hello, I have a problem with pbuilder. I have this error : checking whether QTDIR environment variable is set... no configure: error: QTDIR must be properly set. | 16:44 |
| lilgies | and I don't knonw how to set the QTDIR environment variable | 16:45 |
| xerxas | StevenK, my company is making a chat, we might have legal issues, so we need to log all traffic | 16:45 |
| xerxas | bandersnatch seems to do that pretty well | 16:45 |
| StevenK | xerxas: I'd suggest you don't use it. | 16:46 |
| xerxas | StevenK, but you're maybe right , ejabberd have a module that logs all traffic and don't necessarly needs bandersnatch | 16:46 |
| slytherin | lilgies: You probably haven't added correct build dependencies in the package, due to which the header files are not found and hence it is looking for alternate paths. | 16:46 |
| lilgies | I have install libqt3-mt-dev | 16:47 |
| lilgies | and the build depend is in the /debian/control file | 16:47 |
| lilgies | I need to configure the rules file | 16:48 |
| lilgies | I have try : LDFLAGS="-Wl,-z,-L/usr/share/qt3,defs" but no success | 16:49 |
| slytherin | lilgies: Are you sure it works with qt3? If yes, you can add QTDIR variable in rules file. | 16:49 |
| lilgies | yes I'm sure | 16:49 |
| lilgies | how to add QTDIR variable in rules file this depend of the version of the ./configure ? | 16:49 |
| lilgies | whith the ./configure --help I have not the --qtdir option | 16:50 |
| lilgies | I have post here : http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=236861 (in french) | 16:51 |
| slytherin | persia: geser: Do we have a meeting tomorrow? | 16:52 |
| persia | slytherin: Which meeting? (I have many) | 16:54 |
| slytherin | persia: sorry, ubuntu-java | 16:55 |
| persia | Oh, yes. I believe it's 14:00 UTC. | 16:55 |
| slytherin | persia: 14:00? I thought it was 16:00. ANyway, I will be in office anyway. | 16:56 |
| NCommander | hey all | 16:57 |
| lilgies | the requirement is : qt toolkit >= 3.1.0 and i use libqt3-mt-dev | 16:59 |
| persia | slytherin: Ask ubottu in #ubuntu-meeting to check for sure. | 17:03 |
| NCommander | emgent, nice work on becoming an MOTU | 17:03 |
| Pici | @schedule | 17:03 |
| ubottu | Pici: Schedule for Etc/UTC: 16 Jul 17:00: QA Team | 16 Jul 22:00: Platform Team | 17 Jul 13:00: Desktop Team | 17 Jul 14:00: Java Team | 17 Jul 16:00: Ubuntu Mobile | 22 Jul 11:00: Asia and Oceania Ubuntu Membership Approval Board | 17:03 |
| emgent | NCommander: thanks :) | 17:04 |
| slytherin | persia: I will be there hopefully. | 17:04 |
| NCommander | emgent, so I did something rather stupid; I repackaged something already inn Debian/Ubuntu | 17:04 |
| NCommander | Just because it didn't show up on packages.ubuntu.com | 17:05 |
| NCommander | On the plus side, I learned about the wonderful world of lintian overrides | 17:05 |
| emgent | ehehe | 17:05 |
| slytherin | NCommander: it is not as wonderful as you think | 17:05 |
| persia | NCommander: rmadison will become your friend | 17:06 |
| NCommander | Sarcasm doesn't translate well onto IRC | 17:06 |
| NCommander | persia, who's rmadison? | 17:07 |
| StevenK | NCommander: madison is a Debian Archive Kit command to see what packages are in what release and what versions. | 17:08 |
| jpds | NCommander: whatis rmadision | 17:08 |
| StevenK | NCommander: rmadison is "Remote Madison", and queries a cgi to see the same information | 17:08 |
| NCommander | thakns | 17:08 |
| NCommander | *grumbles* | 17:08 |
| NCommander | I did check by seeing if it was available via apt-get install | 17:09 |
| NCommander | But it isn't | 17:09 |
| jpds | NCommander: it's in devscripts | 17:09 |
| NCommander | It was still an interesting experience | 17:11 |
| NCommander | and it did teach me a thing or two about resolving the latest rash of FTBFS | 17:11 |
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| NCommander | emgent, out of curosity, how long did it take for you to become a MOTU? | 17:24 |
| * NCommander is feeling that unique urge to package something | 17:36 | |
| NCommander | emgent, ping | 17:40 |
| jpds | Anyone know why pbuilder could fail so: http://paste.ubuntu.com/27775/ ? | 17:50 |
| NCommander | are you running pbuilder as root? | 17:52 |
| jpds | Yes: sudo DIST=intrepid pbuilder create | 17:53 |
| NCommander | anything unusual going on with your system (aka, is your regular /proc fine?) | 17:53 |
| jpds | Guess so: http://paste.ubuntu.com/27776/ | 17:54 |
| lilgies | hello how to set QTDIR environment in the /debian/rules file ? | 18:04 |
| NCommander | lilgies, You can se it like QTDIR=*, but why do you need to set it? | 18:15 |
| lilgies | hello NCommander I have found the problem | 18:25 |
| lilgies | that is because QTDIR=* must be on the same line that ./configure in the /debian/rules file and not on top of the ./configure | 18:25 |
| lilgies | on up of the ./configure (sorry for my bad english) | 18:26 |
| lilgies | I need to set it for create de debian package | 18:26 |
| NCommander | ah | 18:28 |
| NCommander | launchpad really running poorly today -_-; | 18:42 |
| NCommander | I'm thinking of taking a stab at packaging truecrypt | 18:48 |
| laga | there is no truecrypt package? | 18:48 |
| NCommander | It's a rather painful package since its a kernel module, binaries, and a few other things | 18:49 |
| NCommander | It seems though they finally cleared up their licensing | 18:50 |
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| AnAnt | Hello, how can I know that requestsync actually did mail by synch request ? | 19:24 |
| AnAnt | nevermind | 19:26 |
| * norsetto kicks ubottu in the private parts | 19:36 | |
| NCommander | norsetto, don't castrate ubottu | 19:40 |
| * NCommander fixed inkscape ^_^ | 19:40 | |
| norsetto | NCommander: hmmm, upstream still hasn't done that, I wonder why ... | 19:41 |
| NCommander | Upstream as in Debian, or inkscape authors? | 19:41 |
| norsetto | NCommander: inkscape themselves, they use LP as their bug tracker | 19:43 |
| NCommander | I found the patch on their trac | 19:43 |
| norsetto | NCommander: you mean bug 238223? | 19:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 238223 in inkscape "build failure with gtk+-2.13.x: /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtkctree.h:110: error: ‘GtkCList’ does not name a type" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/238223 | 19:44 |
| NCommander | Nope, different one | 19:44 |
| NCommander | This one is related to a FTBFS due to libpoppler | 19:44 |
| norsetto | NCommander: ah ok | 19:45 |
| NCommander | yeah | 19:45 |
| NCommander | Ubuntu got an updated version of poppler | 19:45 |
| NCommander | Which causes Inkscape to FTBFS | 19:45 |
| grimko | hi all | 19:45 |
| grimko | I would like to package the soft Adeona, the open source tracking system | 19:46 |
| NCommander | Cool | 19:46 |
| NCommander | norsetto, you a core dev? | 19:46 |
| grimko | do you know if someone is already planning to do this ? | 19:46 |
| norsetto | NCommander: nope | 19:46 |
| NCommander | darn | 19:46 |
| NCommander | I need one to help me work out a bug in mono | 19:47 |
| norsetto | grimko: there is a package in getdeb | 19:47 |
| NCommander | norsetto, what's getdeb? | 19:48 |
| norsetto | NCommander: ask joao pinto, he hangs around here regularly | 19:48 |
| NCommander | IRC nick? | 19:48 |
| norsetto | grimko: no sorry, its just a packaging request | 19:49 |
| NCommander | yeah, I saw this request | 19:50 |
| norsetto | grimko: we have bug 248782 but apparently nobody is working on it | 19:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 248782 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] adeona" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/248782 | 19:50 |
| * NCommander looks at what it would tkae to package | 19:50 | |
| grimko | OK I'll have a look | 19:50 |
| NCommander | norsetto, I'll package it | 19:50 |
| NCommander | But I can't assign myself to the bug | 19:50 |
| NCommander | IANA Contributing Developer|MOTU | 19:51 |
| norsetto | NCommander: of course you can assign it to yourself, everybody can (I think you just need to be an ubuntero) | 19:51 |
| NCommander | norsetto, I am, but those options are greyed out when I try to edit the bug | 19:52 |
| vorian | NCommander: join the bugsquad | 19:52 |
| NCommander | Cool, its an automake package, easy fix | 19:52 |
| NCommander | er, easy packaging ;-) | 19:52 |
| NCommander | vorian, BTW, can you relink me to that TODO list for KDE4, I forgot to bookmark it and I can't find it | 19:53 |
| NCommander | It says I'm already a member | 19:53 |
| vorian | sure | 19:53 |
| NCommander | It might be an edge bug ... | 19:53 |
| * NCommander gets to try packaging with cdbs; a personal first | 19:54 | |
| NCommander | grimko, I already have a building package | 19:57 |
| grimko | NCommander, OK, what should be the next step then ? Submit it to getdeb ? | 19:59 |
| grimko | NCommander, I was thinking about learning how to package by trying on this one | 19:59 |
| grimko | and then how does it end up in Debian or Ubuntu ? | 19:59 |
| NCommander | grimko, I'll submit it to REVU | 20:00 |
| NCommander | THis isn't a trival package, it needs patches unfortunately | 20:00 |
| NCommander | The make install target is interactive | 20:00 |
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| tacone | suppose I want to resolve https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vim/+bug/125247 . what shuold I download ? hardy package or intrepid's ? | 20:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 125247 in vim "Apache config files in /etc/apache2/sites-available and /etc/apache2/sites-enabled do not alwyas have proper syntax highlighting" [Undecided,In progress] | 20:33 |
| Adri2000 | tacone: intrepid | 20:36 |
| tacone | Adri2000: there's a command to download from intrepid ? | 20:36 |
| tacone | usually I use apt-get source but seems to download hardy's | 20:37 |
| Adri2000 | tacone: add intrepid's deb-src to your sources.list, and then use apt-get source | 20:44 |
| tacone | Adri2000: this won't mess up my system ? | 20:45 |
| Adri2000 | if you only add deb-src, no | 20:46 |
| amireldor | question: how do i become a motu? | 20:46 |
| tacone | ok | 20:46 |
| Laney | Kopfgeldjaeger: Do you plan on doing the merge of nepenthes? | 20:48 |
| tacone | amireldor: you dig the ubuntu wiki to grasp how to help resolving bugs and how to package, ask your questions about that here. after some practice you ask for a mentor in the ML. as you get better you continue helping here and there until you find people willing to sponsor your application to become a MOTU | 20:49 |
| Adri2000 | amireldor: check out wiki pages such as https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted | 20:49 |
| amireldor | Adri2000, thx | 20:51 |
| amireldor | tacone, thx, will you be my mentor? :) | 20:52 |
| Kopfgeldjaeger | Laney: I would, if I knew the solution to the build problem | 20:52 |
| Laney | Kopfgeldjaeger: I've come across this one before a few times so can do the fix if you don't mind | 20:53 |
| Kopfgeldjaeger | yeah, sure. Would be nice. | 20:53 |
| Laney | It's pretty simple - just declare a variable "size_t result" and then do result = <line giving the error> | 20:53 |
| Laney | of course, the proper fix is to actually check the return code | 20:54 |
| tacone | amireldor: I am less than a beginner right now, so I guess not :-) | 20:54 |
| NCommander | grimko, well, now there is a package that installs adeone; I just need to create the init.d file, and configuration templates,. and its just about good to go ;-) | 20:55 |
| norsetto | tacone: adri2000 is right, if you still do not want to add the deb-src to your sources.list you can use dget to fetch your intrepid source packages (or alternatively, you can still use dget to fetch your hardy source packages) | 20:59 |
| tacone | nice hint norsetto | 20:59 |
| * norsetto wasn't fast enough to point the new mentoring program to amireldor | 21:01 | |
| slytherin | tacone: and dget -x will download and extract source. :-) | 21:01 |
| * tacone btw tacone is brand-newly mentored now | 21:01 | |
| Adri2000 | and if you have both hardy's and intrepid's deb-src, you can also use apt-get source package=version | 21:01 |
| norsetto | Adri2000: yes, good point | 21:02 |
| norsetto | Adri2000: but it slows down your updates :-) | 21:03 |
| * tacone will just create an alias for dget | 21:04 | |
| slytherin | Doesn't dput check for file names before accepting an uploading? Isn't this upload broken - http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=gcstar | 21:04 |
| * NCommander grumbles about the license violation in Adeone | 21:04 | |
| norsetto | slytherin: dput uploads what you tell it to uploads | 21:06 |
| slytherin | norsetto: Ok. So please tell me if I am correct in saying that uploader has messed up that upload (or perhaps he has no clue how debian packaging works) | 21:07 |
| norsetto | slytherin: I suspect your second choice might be correct | 21:08 |
| NCommander | anyone know a good random number generator that is under a GPL-compatible license? | 21:23 |
| laga | i guess we can skip the debian jokes | 21:26 |
| mario_limonciell | or the xkcd random number generator joke? | 21:28 |
| laga | yes, please. | 21:28 |
| mario_limonciell | NCommander, no license on it anyhow :) | 21:28 |
| NCommander | laga rofl | 21:28 |
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| NCommander | I actually need to see if I can rip out OpenSSL in adeone | 21:30 |
| NCommander | Its the classic GPL-OpenSSL license pain | 21:30 |
| NCommander | adeone only using it for HMAC and its PRNG, so it *should* be fairly straightforward to replace that code | 21:31 |
| NCommander | BTW, mario_limonciell, you work on the ubuntu mono package, right? | 21:31 |
| mario_limonciell | NCommander, can't say i do | 21:31 |
| NCommander | damn it | 21:31 |
| mario_limonciell | NCommander, i may have uploaded a fix in the past possibly? | 21:31 |
| NCommander | I keep forgetting who I was refered to | 21:31 |
| NCommander | THere is a broken patch in mono | 21:32 |
| NCommander | It has caused at least two FTBFS | 21:32 |
| NCommander | (it was a pain tracking it down) | 21:32 |
| laga | maybe directhex? | 21:32 |
| NCommander | ANd probably responsible for quite a bit of mono instability | 21:32 |
| NCommander | Yeah | 21:32 |
| laga | not sure, but i think he used to work on it | 21:32 |
| NCommander | I wanted to mark the bug important, and confirmed, but I can't. | 21:32 |
| mario_limonciell | yeah directhex would probably be a good person to blame | 21:32 |
| mario_limonciell | it's easy to do that way :) | 21:32 |
| NCommander | Well, whoever wrote the package stubbed out an entire function | 21:32 |
| NCommander | Which causes mono to randomly crash | 21:32 |
| NCommander | s/package/patch | 21:33 |
| * NCommander pokes directhex | 21:33 | |
| mario_limonciell | NCommander, well if it's causing FTBFS, the packagers responsible for mono will have that taken care of by the time intrepid is live | 21:33 |
| mario_limonciell | what's the bug number? | 21:33 |
| NCommander | Hold on | 21:33 |
| directhex | what've i done wrong today? | 21:33 |
| NCommander | o_O; | 21:33 |
| NCommander | I go to launchpad's page and I get a directory tree listing | 21:34 |
| NCommander | Wait, there it goes | 21:34 |
| StevenK | Which page? | 21:34 |
| NCommander | I went to launchpad.com by accident | 21:34 |
| * NCommander hides face in shame | 21:34 | |
| StevenK | Haha | 21:34 |
| StevenK | I'll stop preparing an "ARGH" phone call | 21:34 |
| mario_limonciell | directhex, you weren't around, so it seemed okay to blame mono problems on you | 21:35 |
| NCommander | StevenK, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mono/+bug/247782 | 21:35 |
| NCommander | er | 21:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 247782 in mono "Ubuntu mono patch dont_check_proc_self_exe causes FBFTS in evolution sharp" [Undecided,New] | 21:35 |
| NCommander | that was meant for directhex | 21:35 |
| NCommander | StevenK, you work on launchpad? | 21:35 |
| StevenK | NCommander: No, I work for Canonical. | 21:35 |
| NCommander | wow | 21:35 |
| * NCommander bows down at StevenK's feet | 21:36 | |
| NCommander | You always have to respect your overlords ;-) | 21:36 |
| NCommander | directhex, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mono/+bug/247782 | 21:36 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 247782 in mono "Ubuntu mono patch dont_check_proc_self_exe causes FBFTS in evolution sharp" [Undecided,New] | 21:36 |
| directhex | NCommander, hooray! meebey's gonna love you for that one | 21:36 |
| NCommander | That was an absolute nightmare to track down | 21:36 |
| NCommander | It also is part of why fspot is FTBFS | 21:37 |
| NCommander | ANd I found another package that was erroring out due to it | 21:37 |
| NCommander | directhex, I was just lucky the Debian package worked right, then I just had to step through the Ubuntu changes and found it via process of elimation | 21:38 |
| directhex | NCommander, the debian packages should be 100% source compatible, the ubuntu changes are largely silly. but shhhhhhhhh, don't tell anybody | 21:39 |
| NCommander | I've got a few ideas how to fix the patch so it won't break everyone and their mothers | 21:39 |
| NCommander | But I don't want to do anything without someone to sponsor any possible fix | 21:39 |
| directhex | NCommander, i need to speak with a livecd expert to better understand WHY the patch is there in the first place | 21:39 |
| directhex | or slomo, if he lives | 21:40 |
| directhex | or both! | 21:40 |
| NCommander | directhex, Well, the quick (and VERY) dirty way would to be look for a livecd specific file, and switch based on that | 21:40 |
| nhandler | When a package is included in the Ubuntu iso, are its recommended/suggested packages also included? | 21:41 |
| NCommander | nhandler, f-spot requires it | 21:41 |
| directhex | NCommander, i see the logic, but how much potential slowdown would it cause? how often is the function called? | 21:41 |
| NCommander | I said quick and dirty | 21:41 |
| NCommander | ;-) | 21:41 |
| NCommander | There is no justification for why this patch exists | 21:42 |
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| NCommander | and I haven't had time to run mono's test suite on a livecd to see where and why it blows itself up | 21:42 |
| directhex | if you could find time, that'd be wonderful. i'm away from the office this week, so i lack my office pc with its handy vmware | 21:42 |
| NCommander | I can track it down | 21:42 |
| NCommander | That's easy | 21:43 |
| NCommander | Finding a sponsor | 21:43 |
| NCommander | THat's hard | 21:43 |
| NCommander | I also have no clue how to create an ubuntu livecd | 21:44 |
| NCommander | At best, I've created a d-i CD for Debian, but something tells me that won't fly | 21:44 |
| directhex | isn't it possible to just install the mono .deb files from debian whilst booted into a normal livecd? it's all ramfs isn't it? | 21:44 |
| directhex | i've also only tinkered with d-i, not the livecd gubbins | 21:45 |
| NCommander | I never looked into how the Ubuntu liveCD's really work | 21:45 |
| NCommander | I could look into figuring that out | 21:45 |
| NCommander | But I'm not going to do it unless someone there to critique my work, I'm too used to patches sitting on Debian BTS for years | 21:45 |
| mario_limonciell | you should be able to just install the debs | 21:45 |
| mario_limonciell | remastering the cd is more work than you should need for solving this | 21:45 |
| NCommander | I'm currently rereading the braindeadness of this patch | 21:45 |
| directhex | NCommander, 1) i'm seemingly the de-facto ubuntu mono maintainer, as the "real" guys are rather busy. i'm currently the correct person to moan at. 2) that one ain't my patch! pwomise! <3 3) it'd be nice to kill the patch if it's not needed, as it's an ubuntu difference, and i've been doing my best to work on packages at the debian level | 21:47 |
| NCommander | actually | 21:47 |
| NCommander | According to the changelog | 21:47 |
| NCommander | It is your patch ;-) | 21:47 |
| directhex | i've just carried it forward once or twice | 21:48 |
| NCommander | I'm trying to figure out why accessing /proc/self/exe on a liveCD would cause mono to self-destruct | 21:48 |
| directhex | slomo added that patch to 1.2.4-6ubuntu1 | 21:49 |
| NCommander | We could cheat and simply hardcode the correct return function in | 21:49 |
| directhex | hm, i wonder if the old bugs say anything useful | 21:49 |
| NCommander | yeah | 21:49 |
| NCommander | I'm working backwards to figure this out | 21:49 |
| NCommander | Mono uses readlink on /proc/self/exe to determine its currently execution path | 21:50 |
| NCommander | I can't figure out why on Earth that would fail on a read only filesystem | 21:50 |
| laga | it's not a read-only file system | 21:50 |
| laga | the live disk uses unionfs | 21:50 |
| NCommander | SHouldn't make a different | 21:51 |
| NCommander | proc isn't part of the main filesystem | 21:51 |
| laga | well, unionfs has all kinds of interesting breakage | 21:51 |
| * NCommander is trying to make his way through mono's bug reports | 21:51 | |
| directhex | well, it requires investigation, but i'm in no position to properly investigate myself until i come back from my vacation | 21:51 |
| NCommander | I can do it | 21:51 |
| laga | NCommander: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/224110 | 21:52 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 224110 in openjdk-6 "/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/bin/java: error while loading shared libraries: libjli.so: cannot openshared object file: No such file or directory - /proc/self/exe fullpath error on stackable filesystem" [Undecided,In progress] | 21:52 |
| laga | read stevenk's part. | 21:52 |
| NCommander | lol | 21:52 |
| NCommander | I just found that ;-) | 21:52 |
| norsetto | directhex: the patch is not from slomo, is from scott | 21:53 |
| laga | NCommander: if that's related to your problem, maybe switching the live CD to aufs instead of unionfs will help.. not sure if it's planned for intrepid, tho. easy to test.. | 21:53 |
| NCommander | Well | 21:54 |
| NCommander | If we want to be quick and dirty | 21:54 |
| NCommander | We can hard code the proper /usr/bin response into mono | 21:54 |
| NCommander | or check for /squashfs, and strip it out as needed | 21:54 |
| NCommander | Adding /squashmnt -> / and /persistmnt -> / symlinks works around the issue. | 21:55 |
| NCommander | This typically affects UME and live CDs. | 21:55 |
| NCommander | THen again, I think that's the better solution | 21:55 |
| directhex | * When trying to determine the executable name reading /proc/self/exe, | 21:55 |
| directhex | discard known prefixes used for unionfs mounts. LP: #224110. | 21:55 |
| directhex | laga, thanks for the link | 21:55 |
| laga | np | 21:56 |
| * laga doesn't like unionfs. :) | 21:56 | |
| NCommander | So we have three choices | 21:56 |
| NCommander | Add the proper symlinks to the livecd | 21:56 |
| directhex | norsetto, ah, right, thanks. still, it was a functional if evil patch whilst it lasted | 21:56 |
| norsetto | directhex: yes, pretty oldish | 21:56 |
| NCommander | Have mono strip out the persistmnt/squashmnt, or ignore the issue ;-) | 21:56 |
| NCommander | directhex, which way do you think we should work on fixing this bug? | 21:57 |
| directhex | i say we take the openjdk solution. whilst the symlinks are the nicest hack, i think it'll be much easier to get a fixed mono package put out versus a ficked base file structure on all ubuntu livecds | 21:58 |
| directhex | plus, it's backportable | 21:58 |
| NCommander | I'm reading what the openjdk "fix" was specifically | 21:58 |
| NCommander | At least I know how to fix the issue, I can probably kick a patch out in a few hours | 21:58 |
| directhex | not that anyone would backport mono, since it breaks the rules on frameworks causing regressions. *cough* | 21:59 |
| NCommander | So it won't be SRUed for Hardy? | 21:59 |
| NCommander | Despite the fact it probably is causing the SIGSERV in F-Spot? | 22:00 |
| directhex | ehm... no idea. someone with some seniority might say yay for a single patch | 22:00 |
| NCommander | Ok, looking at openjdk, they took my second action | 22:00 |
| NCommander | (that is, detecting the prefix of the path, and then stripping it out) | 22:01 |
| directhex | yep | 22:01 |
| * NCommander cracks figures and works at updating this patch | 22:01 | |
| directhex | this will all be clearer after i play some guitar hero | 22:01 |
| NCommander | THrough the Fire and Flames on Expert! | 22:01 |
| directhex | i'm a sucker for knights of cydonia | 22:02 |
| NCommander | at least mono uses dpatch | 22:03 |
| NCommander | I'd been ticked if it used quilt | 22:03 |
| directhex | meebey's a big dpatch fan, so that's what any package that goes near him tends to use | 22:03 |
| directhex | as a result, dpatch is the only patchsys i know | 22:04 |
| NCommander | I love dpatch | 22:04 |
| NCommander | I personally think quilt is a pain in the ass to use | 22:04 |
| NCommander | when I took over maintainership of cvsps, I replaced quilt with dpatch | 22:04 |
| NCommander | directhex, ok, I'm writing the new patch right now | 22:05 |
| NCommander | But I'm going to have to create a liveCD to properly test it so ... | 22:05 |
| laga | probably not | 22:05 |
| NCommander | that may take awhile to figure out | 22:05 |
| laga | you can just install packages on the live disk | 22:05 |
| NCommander | You can? | 22:06 |
| laga | yes | 22:06 |
| laga | dpkg -i.. | 22:06 |
| NCommander | That's news to me o_o; | 22:06 |
| NCommander | Cool! | 22:06 |
| laga | might have to restart f-spot or whatever is triggering the problem.. | 22:06 |
| NCommander | Every mono package probably should be given back though | 22:06 |
| norsetto | RAOF: re. bug 249100, does specto require python-gconf? | 22:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 249100 in specto "specto package doesn't install correctly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/249100 | 22:07 |
| NCommander | directhex, I've marked that bug nominated for release | 22:08 |
| * NCommander finishs writing the new patch | 22:16 | |
| tacone | Bug 125247 seems already fixed in Intrepid, but I can't test it because of missing build-dependancies when I run debuild. what shuold I do ? | 22:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 125247 in vim "Apache config files in /etc/apache2/sites-available and /etc/apache2/sites-enabled do not alwyas have proper syntax highlighting" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125247 | 22:18 |
| NCommander | directhex, ok, I'm building a new mono now, and I'll test it by building one of the packages that blew up due to the old patch, and then test it on a liveCD | 22:19 |
| norsetto | tacone: install the missing build-depends? | 22:19 |
| directhex | NCommander, brilliant | 22:19 |
| tacone | uhm. | 22:19 |
| NCommander | directhex, I work fast; one of the perks of being a Debian GNU/Hurd porter ;-) | 22:20 |
| tacone | norsetto: I am trying with pbuilder. "Aptitude couldn't satisfy the build dependencies" | 22:23 |
| norsetto | tacone: you mean you were building your binary package with debuild? | 22:23 |
| tacone | norsetto: sudo pbuilder build *.dsc | 22:24 |
| * NCommander wishs his laptop was faster | 22:25 | |
| norsetto | tacone: ok, I think I understand what you are trying to do, if you are backporting the package, make sure that you use correct versions for the build-depends (and possibly depends) | 22:25 |
| tacone | norsetto: I am trying to fix a bug. since looking at source it seems to be already fixed in intrepid, I was just trying to make a deb to test it. | 22:26 |
| tacone | guess my pbuilder was set to hardy. trying to update it to intrepid. | 22:27 |
| NCommander | directhex, any good ideas how to test this on the liveCD? (I'm going to make sure the patch works by building evolution-sharp, which FTBFS due to the old patch) | 22:27 |
| norsetto | tacone: yes, but if are you trying to make an hardy deb from an intrepid package, you might have to check that b-d and d are available from hardy | 22:27 |
| directhex | NCommander, seems like the best way to do it | 22:27 |
| directhex | NCommander, you have your reproducible test case - build evo sharp | 22:28 |
| NCommander | directhex, am I going to have to run down a sponsor for this, or are you willing to sponsor? | 22:28 |
| norsetto | NCommander: oh dear, are you going to run down a sponsor? Can I suggest a name :-)? | 22:29 |
| NCommander | norsetto, funny, very funny | 22:29 |
| NCommander | norsetto, I'd run down the person who thought it was a good idea to stub out a function in mono without checking to see if it does anything important! | 22:30 |
| norsetto | NCommander: wait until you hear the name | 22:30 |
| * NCommander waits for the name | 22:30 | |
| directhex | NCommander, i can't sponsor it AFAIK. i can cheerlead a little if that helps | 22:31 |
| directhex | faster than a salamander, it's the mighty ncommander! goooo team! | 22:31 |
| NCommander | directhex, Well, I'm not even a contributing developer, so its a pain to get anything in main | 22:31 |
| norsetto | NCommander: just subscribe u-m-s,and check with dholbach or sistpoty tomorrow, they are usually helpfull | 22:32 |
| * NCommander expands the bug report to explain more of what's happening | 22:33 | |
| nealmcb | Is there a convenient tool to do what apt-get source package=version does, but for a different release? I see that "package/release" is documented in the apt-get man page, but it isn't finding what I'm looking for. I'd prefer not to have to mess around with sources.list I basically just want to diff two different ubuntu releases of a package (e.g. hardy vs gutsy). | 22:33 |
| norsetto | nealmcb: use dget | 22:33 |
| NCommander | BTW, directhex can you at least sponsor a FTBFS fix for a universe package, its been stuck on the tracker for awhile | 22:34 |
| Laney | nealmcb: I wrote a pull-lp-source script which might do what you want | 22:34 |
| nealmcb | and apt-get source net-tools=1.60-17ubuntu1 says E: Unable to find a source package for net-tools - odd | 22:34 |
| nealmcb | - | 22:34 |
| Laney | nealmcb: bzr branch lp:~laney/ubuntu-dev-tools/dev | 22:34 |
| directhex | NCommander, which package? | 22:35 |
| NCommander | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/transproxy/+bug/247886 | 22:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 247886 in transproxy "FTBFS fix on AMD64/SPARC/IA-64" [Medium,In progress] | 22:35 |
| nealmcb | cool - thanks norsetto and Laney | 22:35 |
| NCommander | Just call it the tax on me fixing mono ;-) | 22:35 |
| Laney | It just automates the doing to LP and doing dget -x. | 22:36 |
| Laney | going* | 22:36 |
| * NCommander downloads the hardy liveCD | 22:36 | |
| norsetto | Laney: does it use apt-cache? | 22:38 |
| Laney | norsetto: No, I took that bit of the code from prevu | 22:38 |
| norsetto | Laney: ah ok, no idea what prevu does, some pretty fancy thing knowing jdong | 22:39 |
| Laney | It screen scrapes LP at the minute - bit ugly, but at least it doesn't require sources.list modification | 22:39 |
| norsetto | !jdong | 22:39 |
| ubottu | <Hobbsee> jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK! | 22:39 |
| emgent | augh! | 22:41 |
| NCommander | directhex, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mono/+bug/247782 care to add any comments (I added an overview of the bug, and if you could, also please set the importance) | 22:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 247782 in mono "Ubuntu mono patch dont_check_proc_self_exe causes FBFTS in evolution sharp" [Undecided,In progress] | 22:47 |
| huats | norsetto !!! | 22:48 |
| norsetto | huats !!! | 22:48 |
| ScottK | huats: I'm here now for about 10 minutes. | 22:48 |
| NCommander | hey ScottK | 22:49 |
| ScottK | Heya NCommander. | 22:49 |
| huats | hey ScottK | 22:49 |
| NCommander | ScottK, Been following the broken mono issue? | 22:49 |
| wgrant | Laney: Why do you need to screenscrape? The URL is predictable now. | 22:53 |
| Laney | wgrant: The URL to the dsc for a particular release? | 22:54 |
| ScottK | NCommander: No. As a KDE person, I've no real interest in mono. | 22:54 |
| Laney | (also, again, I took that piece of code from prevu) | 22:54 |
| * NCommander steals ScottK's KDE | 22:54 | |
| wgrant | Laney: For a particularly sourcepackagerelease yes, but not the distrorelease. | 22:54 |
| * ScottK fires up vim and keeps working. | 22:54 | |
| wgrant | s/particularly/particular/ | 22:55 |
| Laney | wgrant: Right, the screenscraping is to get the version in a particular distrorelease. | 22:55 |
| wgrant | Ah. | 22:55 |
| wgrant | You could probably use rmadison or something to get that, but there's no nice Python interface AFAIK :( | 22:56 |
| ScottK | Stealing running code is easier though. | 22:56 |
| * Laney nods | 22:56 | |
| Laney | If I want to go that way then I'll reverse engineer rmadison (if someone hasn't done it already) | 22:57 |
| norsetto | Laney: wouldn't be easier to just look at its source code? | 22:58 |
| ScottK | Laney: requestsync is written in Python and needs to get the current version from LP. You might look at that too. | 22:58 |
| Laney | norsetto: That's what I meant ;) Maybe "port" would have been a better word | 22:59 |
| Laney | ScottK: That parses rmadison's output. Could be a workable interim approach too | 22:59 |
| NCommander | ok, mono *finally* finished building | 23:00 |
| directhex | NCommander, it's not a speedy one to build. generally, nothing MOAR MHZ can't fix | 23:00 |
| NCommander | MOAR MHZ? | 23:00 |
| ScottK | NCommander: For me a broken mono is more of a feature than a bug. | 23:01 |
| NCommander | I'm inclined to agree with ScottK ;-) | 23:01 |
| NCommander | However, its also the responsibility of the Ubuntu Developers to make sure that every package we ship is as bug free as possible | 23:01 |
| norsetto | scottk: since when is mono not broken!? | 23:01 |
| * NCommander cues the cheesy music | 23:01 | |
| * NCommander has mixed feelings on C# in general | 23:03 | |
| ScottK | NCommander: With mono it's more a question of what you think the biggest bug is. | 23:05 |
| directhex | here we go... | 23:05 |
| NCommander | Well, now that Java is free,its pretty hard to justify cross-platform development on Mono | 23:05 |
| laga | took them (= sun) long enough | 23:05 |
| NCommander | True | 23:06 |
| NCommander | But it did happen | 23:06 |
| laga | yup. | 23:06 |
| directhex | heaven forbid open source have several similar yet different options with cultish followings | 23:06 |
| NCommander | Now Mono has to play catchup with whatever version of C# is out from MS, and they seem to like to change the schematics of the language every point release | 23:06 |
| directhex | hard to justify gnome development now kde4 is out & amazing & new, hard to justify python development when perl is so much more mature, etc etc etc | 23:07 |
| NCommander | I said cross-platform | 23:07 |
| laga | exactly | 23:07 |
| bahadunn | in launchpad in the mentoring section any of these packages labeled [needs-packaging] are good to work on? | 23:07 |
| NCommander | Mono doesn't have a great track record of running .NET apps coded on VIsual Studio | 23:08 |
| NCommander | and if its a mixed mode app, you have to install mono in WINE to make it run | 23:08 |
| directhex | NCommander, how much of that is bad code though? things like hard-coding \ instead of using path.combine() | 23:08 |
| directhex | or pointless p/invokes to windows dlls like system32 | 23:09 |
| NCommander | Pretty much | 23:09 |
| NCommander | I don't have a problem creating a FOSS C# language | 23:09 |
| NCommander | But it seems a little crazy trying to catch up with .NET when you need a full Win32 API if you do anything outside of pure mode apps | 23:09 |
| NCommander | then again | 23:09 |
| NCommander | WINE is probably the definition of insanity | 23:09 |
| directhex | i write for linux, and then find myself pleasantly surprised by apps runnin on windows and mac just as well | 23:09 |
| NCommander | directhex, That works fine | 23:10 |
| NCommander | Its the other way that usually breaks straight to hell and back | 23:10 |
| directhex | MoMA is a useful tool, though | 23:10 |
| directhex | and for many corps using .net for their internal apps, the small level of work required to fix their biggest coding erros may be worth it | 23:10 |
| tacone | norsetto: ok, the bug is fixed on intrepid | 23:10 |
| * NCommander shrugs | 23:10 | |
| tacone | what shall I do ? simply comment on launchpad ? | 23:10 |
| NCommander | I still perfer Java for cross-platform compability | 23:11 |
| NCommander | Simply because the offical implementation is now FOSS | 23:11 |
| norsetto | tacone: its that an important bug? Fixes a crash or something? | 23:11 |
| NCommander | and thus is write once, work everywhere | 23:11 |
| directhex | it's certainly true that most off-the-shelf .net apps don't work, but like i said, that's largely due to bad coding practice more than problems with mono itself | 23:11 |
| tacone | norsetto: syntax highliting in vim :-) | 23:11 |
| NCommander | directhex, yeah, I gert that | 23:11 |
| NCommander | directhex, I still find mono is write once, test everywhere ;-) | 23:11 |
| directhex | NCommander, that argument only gained weight a few months ago though, until then all we had was free "crash your apps every few minutes" java | 23:11 |
| tacone | irrilevant bug. bug 125247 | 23:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 125247 in vim "Apache config files in /etc/apache2/sites-available and /etc/apache2/sites-enabled do not alwyas have proper syntax highlighting" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125247 | 23:12 |
| NCommander | heh | 23:12 |
| NCommander | Anyway, testing evo-sharp | 23:12 |
| norsetto | tacone: ok, than its not sru material, just mark the bug report as fix released, you may want to paste the changelog of the fix-releasing version too | 23:12 |
| directhex | NCommander, almost as handy as "only works for banner ads" free flash | 23:12 |
| NCommander | directhex, if I didn't think mono was worth it, I won't be here digging through its code fixing it ;-) | 23:12 |
| NCommander | directhex, actually, my flash works for youtube and nothing else | 23:12 |
| NCommander | I use swfdec vs. gnash though | 23:12 |
| tacone | norsetto: ok, if I find it. | 23:13 |
| NCommander | w00t | 23:13 |
| NCommander | Ok, updated mono built evo-sharp no problem! | 23:13 |
| NCommander | now if I get a working mono on the liveCD, I can submit this, and start the sponsor hunt | 23:13 |
| directhex | subscribe u-m-s, then act loud & obnoxious in #ubuntu-* | 23:14 |
| directhex | works for me! | 23:14 |
| NCommander | Pretty muich what I do | 23:14 |
| NCommander | directhex, it sounds like this issue been floating around (the random segfaults) | 23:14 |
| NCommander | How far back does it go? | 23:14 |
| directhex | NCommander, it rings a few bells. let me check some irc logs | 23:15 |
| directhex | hm, nope, can't find it. most f-spot issues i see mentioned involve hanging on quit | 23:17 |
| NCommander | Its probably a relief that its finally been nailed | 23:17 |
| NCommander | directhex, this is probably related | 23:17 |
| NCommander | if mono segfaults, that's pretty much what would happen to f-spot | 23:17 |
| directhex | well, yes. i might even be able to convince meebey to include a theoretically non-evil patch in debian's mono packages, for future simplicity | 23:17 |
| NCommander | Frealomg ;ove CD sp s;pw /// | 23:18 |
| NCommander | wow | 23:18 |
| NCommander | *Freaking live CD is so slow | 23:18 |
| bahadunn | if a bug is triaged what does that mean? | 23:20 |
| norsetto | bahadunn: that somebody from the bug-squad went through it and believes it has all the necessary info to be able to fix it | 23:21 |
| NCommander | directhex, well, this isn't the grand stupidity patch the last revision was | 23:21 |
| bahadunn | norsetto: okay thanks | 23:21 |
| NCommander | It might even be possible to convience mono-upstream to take it | 23:21 |
| norsetto | bahadunn: for your future reference: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status | 23:22 |
| bahadunn | norsetto: thanks | 23:22 |
| NCommander | Figures | 23:23 |
| NCommander | THe intrepid mono has dependencies that hardy doesn't | 23:23 |
| StevenK | NCommander: It probably has a version greater than hardy, too. :-) | 23:23 |
| nealmcb | Laney: pull-lp-source is working like a charm... | 23:24 |
| NCommander | yeah | 23:24 |
| directhex | hang on, i know the answer to this one | 23:24 |
| * NCommander grumbles and creates an intrepid chroot | 23:24 | |
| NCommander | Oh, awesome | 23:24 |
| NCommander | I managed to crash the CD | 23:24 |
| NCommander | Is there an intrepid liveCD? | 23:24 |
| StevenK | NCommander: Yes. | 23:25 |
| NCommander | link? | 23:25 |
| StevenK | NCommander: Would you like a link? | 23:25 |
| StevenK | Heh, sec | 23:25 |
| directhex | the intrepid source package should build unmodified on hardy | 23:25 |
| NCommander | You want me to build on a LiveCD? | 23:26 |
| NCommander | I like pain, farbut that's taking it a little | 23:26 |
| NCommander | bah | 23:26 |
| StevenK | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20080716/ | 23:26 |
| StevenK | NCommander: ^ | 23:26 |
| NCommander | Thanks | 23:26 |
| NCommander | THat should help | 23:26 |
| NCommander | This has 17 minutes to download | 23:27 |
| NCommander | time to run and get a quick dinner | 23:27 |
| NCommander | ok | 23:39 |
| NCommander | back with dinner and a intrepid CD | 23:39 |
| NCommander | It figurs | 23:44 |
| NCommander | The intrepid liveCD doesn't properly start it | 23:44 |
| directhex | why doesn't your hardy cd work, precisely? | 23:45 |
| directhex | there's always a plan b, which will annoy you intensely as it involves rebuilding mono again | 23:45 |
| NCommander | Well, I already rm'd the hardy livecd | 23:46 |
| NCommander | directhex, the dependency for mono aren't there | 23:46 |
| huats | Syntux: hey | 23:46 |
| huats | Sorry I have to leave | 23:46 |
| huats | BUT | 23:46 |
| huats | I sent you an email :) | 23:47 |
| Syntux | it's ok :-) hmm well I did not get any email from you | 23:47 |
| directhex | deb-src http://directhex.mfgames.com/ hardy main | 23:47 |
| directhex | may cause cancer, blah blah blah | 23:47 |
| NCommander | what's in that repo? | 23:47 |
| huats | Syntux: you will, I just sent it | 23:47 |
| Syntux | huats, okie, will work on it tomorrow :-) Thank you | 23:48 |
| NCommander | Ok, I got the livecd to boot to a command line | 23:50 |
| NCommander | I'm in business :-) | 23:50 |
| directhex | NCommander, that's where i put my mono backports for hardy. since officially backports for frameworks aren't allowed | 23:52 |
| NCommander | **** | 23:54 |
| NCommander | There isn't enough room to install mono ont eh CD with its dependencies | 23:54 |
| laga | :( | 23:54 |
| laga | how much RAM have you got? | 23:54 |
| NCommander | 2G | 23:54 |
| * NCommander ups the amount the VM can use | 23:54 | |
| laga | hum | 23:54 |
| laga | ah. heh :) | 23:54 |
| NCommander | and now I wait for the CD to boot. again. | 23:55 |
| laga | heh. | 23:56 |
| NCommander | Ok, now the CD has 813 MB of ram | 23:58 |
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