[00:19] <Kludge^WalesUK> ScottK: nope sadly not =/
[00:19] <ScottK> Urgh.
[00:19] <ScottK> Were the packages ok or ???
[00:20] <Kludge^WalesUK> was up until 7:30am trying to get it sorted... can't remember, just so disheartened LOL
[00:21] <ScottK> OK.
[00:22] <ScottK> Maybe we try again later.
[00:22] <ScottK> All the .debs are published on my PPA still when you want to have another go at it.
[00:23] <Kludge^WalesUK> aye. been playing about with a few things today, and just want to perfect a working installation of something :) Just playing with different window managers, as WINE just under X looks a bit weird
[00:23] <Kludge^WalesUK> deluge seemed quite nice, but out of all the clients rTorrent and trasmission are the most stubborn bastards
[00:26] <ScottK> Kludge^WalesUK: If you can get to the point where you can tell that the transmission backport I did for you at least basically works, I can get it published as an official backport.
[00:27] <Kludge^WalesUK> hmm. no idea quite what that means, but i assume its a good thing =)
[03:00] <piv_> hello all,
[03:01] <piv_> i have a dell poweredge that will not seem to rebuild a drive. I hot swapped one, but it will not build it
[03:01] <piv_> is there something i can do without rebooting ?
[03:02] <cmdln> what kind of raid is it?
[03:03] <cmdln> perc?
[03:03] <cmdln> lsi something or other
[03:03] <cmdln> Id try using the megaraid tools
[03:07] <piv_> I think raid 5
[03:08] <piv_> Has 5 drives anyway ( i know that isn't what it means)
[03:08] <piv_> :)
[03:08] <piv_> i don't know what perc or lsi are, are they RAID controllers? how would i find out?
[03:09] <cmdln> lspci
[03:09] <cmdln> figure out what raid card you have
[03:09] <cmdln> i havent worked with those cards much .... but you might need to load mptsas, and mptctl
[03:09] <cmdln> then install mpt-status and lsiutil
[03:22] <piv_> RAID bus controller: American Megatrends Inc. MegaRAID (rev 20)
[03:22] <piv_> that was from lspci
[03:22] <cmdln> yeh try installing mpt-status
[03:22] <piv_> ok
[03:22] <cmdln> i think it will tell you how many controllers are there
[03:22] <cmdln> that it can work with at least
[03:23] <cmdln> then find lsiutils, you can prolly use that to get the raid rebuilding
[03:24] <piv_> ok, setting up mpt-status gave me an error that mptctl module is missing, is that a kernel mod?
[03:26] <cmdln> yeh
[03:26] <cmdln> you can just try to modprobe it
[03:27] <cmdln> any pam gurus around?
[03:29] <piv_> modprobe worked
[03:30] <cmdln> now try mpt-status
[03:33] <piv_> ioctl: no such device
[03:33] <piv_> hmm
[03:37] <cmdln> maybe that card needs a different tool
[03:37] <cmdln> not sure
[03:38] <piv_> does not seem to be a lsiutil package
[03:40] <piv_> cmdln: where is a good place to look for info on this?
[03:40] <piv_> google just points me to threads about how others have the same problem
[03:40] <cmdln> lsiutil isnt in the repositories to my knowledge
[03:40] <cmdln> ive used it on a dell server once before
[03:41] <cmdln> if you find out the model of the raid card you will be closer
[03:41] <cmdln> poke around lsi.com
[03:41] <piv_> thanks
[03:41] <cmdln> might be able to find something there
[03:41] <piv_> ok
[03:41] <cmdln> just depends on what card you have
[03:42] <piv_> what am i looking for, how to find out what card i have?
[03:42] <cmdln> i suppose
[03:42] <cmdln> perhaps you can get the specifics from dell
[03:43] <piv_> cmdln: thanks, am going to drive home and continue this from there, as either nephish or bitsbam
[03:43] <piv_> see you in a bit
[03:59] <ScottK> nxvl: You mentioned last night that you use transmission?
[04:00] <nxvl> yep
[04:00] <nxvl> :D
[04:01] <nxvl> it comes by default on ubuntu
[04:01] <nxvl> it's cool
[04:02] <ScottK> nxvl: Would you mind checking that the 1.22 backport I build last night works.
[04:02] <ScottK> nxvl: If it does, I figure I'll go ahead and make an official backport of it since I've done all the hard part already.
[04:02] <nxvl> yep
[04:02] <nxvl> i think i have some torrents on queue
[04:04] <nxvl> installing
[04:12] <nxvl> heh this will take some time
[04:12] <nxvl> it's installing security updates
[04:12] <nxvl> :P
[04:12] <nxvl> kees: thank you!
[04:14] <nxvl> it seems to work
[04:14]  * nxvl downloads one more torrent
[04:19] <ScottK> nxvl: Wouldl you please comment that it works in Bug #208836
[04:20] <nxvl> ScottK: yep, i'm testing one more (and faster) torrent and i will comment
[04:20] <nxvl> yep it work
[04:20] <ScottK> Great.
[04:20] <nxvl> works
[04:20] <ScottK> Thanks.
[04:20]  * ScottK goes to upload.
[04:21] <nxvl> whenever you want
[04:21] <nxvl> :D
[04:22] <nxvl> btw
[04:22] <nxvl> ScottK: have you seen an error like this one before: http://rafb.net/p/WdWcWi21.html
[04:23] <ScottK> You didn't happen to have a non-packaged version of it installed before did you?
[04:24] <nxvl> well
[04:24] <nxvl> really don't know
[04:24] <nxvl> i don't get the error it's a report i have just get
[04:25] <nxvl> i'm figting with my debian vm to test the upgrade
[04:29] <ScottK> Not sure.  There's a pycentral option for no-prepare that for some reason I think might help.  I don't recall specifics.  IIRC it's in the man page.
[04:29] <nxvl> ugh i'm having problems with ftp.debian.org
[04:29] <nxvl> it must be the massive dns upgrade
[04:29] <ScottK> Transmission backport is uploaded.  Now we just wait for an archive admin.  Thanks for testing.
[04:30] <nxvl> No, thank you for packaeging it
[04:30] <nxvl> :D
[04:31] <ScottK> That was 2 hours I could've been sleeping, but I have a hard time keeping my fingers off the keyboard when people are installing from source and not using the packaging system.
[04:31] <nxvl> heh
[04:32] <nxvl> yes
[04:32] <nxvl> i experience the same
[04:32] <nxvl> my daily schedule goes like this:
[04:32] <nxvl> 9-5:30 -> work
[04:32] <nxvl> 6:00 - 10:00 -> university
[04:32] <nxvl> 10:00 - 12:00 -> girlfriend
[04:33] <nxvl> 12:00 - 1:30/2:00 -> packaging
[04:33] <nxvl> it's hard to say "i need to go sleep now" your eyes need to just close
[04:34] <nxvl> need to reboot, kernel upgrade brb
[04:37] <bitsbam> lo there all, told you i would be back. I am the one that was piv at work, trying to get a dell poweredge to rebuild a drive i just installed, and how are all you?
[04:38] <nxvl> back
[04:40] <bawlsac> HY
[04:40] <bawlsac> I HAVE UBUNTU SERVER
[04:40] <bawlsac> BUT IT DOSENT WORK
[04:40] <bawlsac> WYHY UBUNTU DOSENT WORK? !!11
[04:41] <ScottK> bawlsac: Yelling will get you less help not more.
[04:41] <cmdln> its just a troll read the handle
[04:42] <ScottK> Good point.
[04:42] <ScottK> Thanks.
[04:42] <cmdln> :)
[04:42] <cmdln> /ignore bawlsac
[04:43] <bitsbam> hey again cmdlin
[04:43] <cmdln> howdy
[04:43] <emgent> hhahaha
[04:45] <bitsbam> i had installed a piece of software that could not find a utility.
[04:45] <bitsbam> or a driver, and i couldn't find it
[04:45] <bitsbam> i did find that i have an AMI raid controller
[04:47] <bitsbam> i could not find anything in the ubuntu community documentation, is there an ubuntu-specific tutorial or doc that you know of that might help me get my head around how to talk to my RAID system?
[04:47] <cmdln> ami is lsi
[04:47] <cmdln> to my knowledge
[04:48] <bitsbam> ok, lsi is the company, the driver, ?
[04:49] <cmdln> the company
[04:49] <bitsbam> ah, the lsi.com one. ok
[04:49] <cmdln> if you find out the model of the card
[04:49] <cmdln> then you can see if there is a utility
[04:50] <bitsbam> ok
[04:50] <bitsbam> will see what i can find
[07:41] <kraut> moin
[10:11] <hornyforholbach> hello
[10:11] <hornyforholbach> i'm horny for holbach
[10:11] <hornyforholbach> nice to meet you
[10:41] <^Diablo^> question: is there a guide for getting my ubuntu server too work smooth, as when i add a user they get email, vhost ftp, and /home/user/www, this is my 3th installation this week, and i really have trouble finding the answers im looking for @ forums
[10:57] <jords_> ^Diablo^: I don't know of such a guide, but for ftp I find vsftpd with the local_enable option works well. If you add files to /etc/skel, they will be copied into any new user's directory
[10:58] <jords_> What do you want to use /home/user/www for? If you want public html, (ie people can access files in /home/user/public_html with www.yourdomain.com/~user , then theres a apache module to do it
[10:59] <jords_> Not sure about email, I use google apps for all mine
[11:04] <^Diablo^> okey ty ill try that
[11:14] <^Diablo^> i made /home/user/public_html, but no adress there, do i need too setup apache/module or sometihng?
[11:17] <^Diablo^> apache module how where what? =), im sorry im completly new on this, i just followed howto, and didnt get what i wanted
[11:18] <Deeps> if you look in /etc/apache2/mods-available
[11:18] <Deeps> you should see userdir.conf and userdir.load
[11:18] <Deeps> create links to those in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled and reload apache
[11:19] <Deeps> you can modify them, but the default is to look in /home/*/public_html
[11:19] <Deeps> and that space can be accessed through a broswer by accessing http://yourserver/~username
[11:19] <^Diablo^> ah okey, how do i create a link?, or is it the a2emodenable thing?
[11:20] <Deeps> oh, nice, yes, you can use a2enmod
[11:20] <Deeps> nice, didnt know those existed, hehe
[11:20] <Deeps> i always did it the manual way
[11:21] <sergevn> uname -a
[11:22] <^Diablo^> ty i now got You don't have permission to access /~user on this server...
[11:23] <^Diablo^> what chomod do public_html dir need to have?
[11:23] <Deeps> so alter the permissions on the directory, and/or put in an index file if you dont have the autoindex module enabled to create automatic directory listings in the place of an index file
[11:23] <Deeps> 755 is usually a safe bet
[11:24] <Deeps> user read/write/executable, group+world read+executable only (dirs need to be executable or you get permission denied simply trying to get into them)
[11:25] <^Diablo^> i made index file set public_html too 755 still same error
[11:26] <Deeps> restarted apache?
[11:27] <^Diablo^> ye i did
[11:28] <Deeps> try to access the file you created directly, rather than simply going to /~user
[11:28] <Deeps> and ensure the permissions on that are correct (must be world readable)
[11:31] <^Diablo^> index.html got -rwxr-xr-x
[11:33] <exalt_> hello, I have constructed my vpn server ( pptpd) and clients are successfully connected to that server, but they can't access any other server in the domain , any help ?
[11:34] <Deeps> exalt_: ip forwarding enabled?
[11:34] <Deeps> exalt_: (cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward)
[11:35] <exalt_> Deeps, hmm
[11:36] <exalt_> I think I got but I'm still not sure
[11:37] <exalt_> I get 0
[11:39] <Deeps> yeah, that means it's not enabled
[11:39] <Deeps> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[11:39] <exalt_> yes I did that
[11:40] <Deeps> assuming you dont have any obtrusive firewall rules, that'll resolve it
[11:40] <exalt_> where I configure
[11:40] <^Diablo^> Deeps: i have tryed added new users, restarting apache but still get permission denied...
[11:41] <Deeps> ^Diablo^: did you try accessing the file directly, rather than simply trying to view their root directory listing?
[11:41] <Deeps> uvirtbot: ssh
[11:41] <^Diablo^> ye i did, also copyed it as index.htm and index.html
[11:42] <Deeps> then look in /var/log/apache2/error.log
[11:42] <Deeps> and see what pops up
[11:44] <^Diablo^> there are  [error] [client 192.168.0.1] (13)Permission denied: access to /~user denied
[11:44] <^Diablo^> there are  [error] [client 192.168.0.1] (13)Permission denied: access to /~user/index.htm denied
[11:45] <^Diablo^> also, [notice] caught SIGWINCH, shutting down gracefully
[11:45] <Deeps> do you have a user called 'user'?
[11:46] <^Diablo^> yes i made for test
[11:47] <exalt_> Deeps, I enabled it, but the vpn client still can't ping another machine
[11:47] <Deeps> oh, hehe, does the other machine know where to route the packets back to?
[11:49] <Deeps> i'm guessing your vpn server isn't the default router for the other clients on the network
[11:49] <Deeps> you probably want to either update all the other clients to know that the vpn subnet goes to it
[11:49] <Deeps> or update the router to know that the subnet goes to the vpn server
[11:49] <exalt_> deeps, thank you , I understand  :)
[11:53] <Deeps> diablo: dunno, ensure that the userdir module is actually enabled? ls /etc/apache2/mods-enabled?
[11:53] <^Diablo^> yes there is /etc/apache2/mods-enable/userdir.load and userdir.conf
[11:55] <^Diablo^> can i have done something wrong(again) during some installation?
[11:57] <^Diablo^> should there be anything under /etc/apache2/sites-available?
[11:58] <ghatak> Hi, i used binary-sparc in my source list for Gutsy, however the same is not valid for Hardy, what happened to a bunch of sources fetch http://security.ubuntu.com:5001/ubuntu/dists/hardy-security/main/binary-sparc/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[12:12] <Deeps> ghatak: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/804
[12:13] <gp> hi
[12:14] <gp> i am installing ubuntu server on HP proliant server with xeon
[12:14] <gp> whuch ubuntu server i should choose 64 bit amd and intel ?
[12:14] <Nafallo> yes
[12:15] <gp> does ubuntu server runs fine on xeon ?
[12:15] <gp> 64 bit ?
[12:17] <Nafallo> yes
[12:17] <gp> i heard there issues of unbuntu server 64 bit on xeon , I hope 8.04 is well tested on xeon 64 bit
[12:20] <ghatak> Deeps: thanks
[12:21] <gp> how can i find out on ubuntu server which release it is
[12:22] <gp> Uname -a gives kernel info etc
[12:22] <hads> cat /etc/lsb-release
[12:22] <Deeps> lsb_release -a
[12:23] <gp> thanks
[12:24] <gp> also how to find its ubuntu installed is 64 bit or 32 bit edition ?
[12:24] <Deeps> uname -r
[12:24] <Deeps> if you're using a 64bit kernel, you're on 64bit
[12:24] <Deeps> if you're on a 32bit kernel, you're on 32bit
[12:24] <Deeps> (i think)
[12:25] <gp> 2.6.20-15-server 32 or 64 bit ?
[12:25] <Deeps> i'd put my money on it's being 32bit
[12:28] <Deeps> hmm, i might be wrong about my assumptions regarding 32bit vs 64bit
[12:28] <Deeps> probably am, infact
[12:36] <ghatak> Deeps: I am running ubuntu 7.10, I want to upgrade to hardy, however my source list is not playing nice, lot of stuff is missing from standard repositories. by the way the this server is running on sparc hardware. Any recommendations ?
[12:37] <ghatak> tail /var/log/syslog
[12:37] <ghatak> ooopps wrong window
[12:40] <Deeps> ghatak: mailing lists / forums / newsgroups
[13:31] <gp> for 4 gb 64 bit Xeon server what should be the swap size ?
[13:32] <gp> normally i take swap double of physical ram
[13:32] <gp> so it should 8 gb ?
[13:48] <nealmcb> gp: well, depends on the type of server - normally you don't want a server to swap
[13:49] <nealmcb> but double the memory is a common choice at least for desktops
[14:03] <jdstrand> hi nealmcb!
[14:03] <nealmcb> jdstrand: howdy :)
[14:04] <jdstrand> nealmcb: I saw your factoid comment
[14:06] <nealmcb> jdstrand: do you want to cook up some text for ufw, or want me to take a stab at it?
[14:07] <kirkland> jdstrand: http://people.ubuntu.com/~kirkland/search.html
[14:09] <sergevn> is it possible to keep filedates when using scp?
[14:10] <sergevn> nevermind, got it. -p
[14:10] <mathiaz> kirkland: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/105457
[14:14] <emgent> heya
[14:24] <jdstrand> nealmcb: how about: 'The firewall is managed using the 'ufw' or 'iptables' commands (see https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/firewall.html), or ...'
[14:33] <nealmcb> !firewall
[14:33] <nealmcb> !iptables
[14:38] <nealmcb> hmm - interesting that ufw is in the server guide, but many folks who ask for the firewall factoid will be desktop users
[14:38] <jdstrand> nealmcb: that is a good point
[14:39] <nealmcb> let me take a shot at it, after a bit
[14:39] <jdstrand> nealmcb: thanks!
[14:41] <mathiaz> kirkland: do you have a user account on wordpress.com ?
[14:47] <kirkland> mathiaz: dustinkirkland
[15:12] <nealmcb> jdstrand: how about these...
[15:12] <nealmcb> firewall: Ubuntu's default firewall manager is !ufw.  As with any other Linux distribution you can also use the 'iptables' command directly (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[15:12] <nealmcb> ufw: ufw is the Uncomplicated FireWall.  It is installed by default but is initially disabled.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/firewall.html
[15:15] <nealmcb> hmm - don't really want to have a release-specific page reference in a factoid, I'd think
[15:16] <nealmcb> and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo should also have a stable link to ufw info
[15:17] <nealmcb> I think ufw deserves its own web page....
[15:19] <nealmcb> sommer: is there a way to get the "latest" page for a topic in e.g. the serverguide?  or some sort of permanent link for common terms?
[15:20] <nealmcb> A https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW page might be best
[15:21] <nealmcb> or https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ufw
[15:21] <sommer> nealmcb: not that I know of
[15:30] <kirkland> lamont: ping
[15:30] <kirkland> lamont: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bind9/+bug/247084
[15:31] <kirkland> lamont: fyi, debian has accepted the status_of_proc() function with pidfile support
[15:31] <kirkland> lamont: i dropped an updated patch for you in that bug.
[15:31] <kirkland> lamont: what you have technically works, so no rush
[15:33] <mathiaz> zul: nijaba https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/105457
[15:35] <jdstrand> nealmcb: I like the text
[15:36] <ahasenack> guys, hardy's kvm + libvirt is really slow for me in installing a new distro (dapper, in this case), is there something obvious I'm missing? The machine should be powerful enough
[15:36] <ahasenack> 2.2GHz c2d, 2Gb ram
[15:37] <ahasenack> I don't mean to imply it's "faster" elsewhere, it's just what I'm running here
[15:38] <nealmcb> jdstrand, sommer - is one of you willing to put up a generic page somewhere for ufw?
[15:38] <ahasenack> cpu usage in virt-manager is very low, as is the host cpu (clocked down to 800MHz, so the virtual machine is not even calling for more cpu)
[15:40] <ahasenack> interesting, in the command line I cannot boot the dapper iso, but from the machine created with virt-manager I can
[15:40] <ahasenack> ops, my mistake on that one
[15:40]  * ahasenack forgot -boot d
[15:42] <jdstrand> nealmcb, sommer: I certainly like the idea of a generic page, but not sure how different it would be from the one in the server guide
[15:47] <ahasenack> fwiw, running it manually in the command line (kvm -hda ...) is *much* faster
[15:49] <nealmcb> jdstrand: yeah - it wouldn't be much different now, but over time it would be the generic place for people to go and see differences over time, could be referred to from the README, etc.
[15:49]  * nealmcb just divided by time twice - that would be an acceleration...
[16:40] <PMantis> I installed JeOS 8.04 on ESX 3.5. Working well, except we need more CPUs. When I added a CPU to the VM, it broke networking. Should I use a kernel other than *-virtual ?
[16:52]  * delcoyote hi
[16:53] <gp> hello
[16:53] <mfonz85> hi!
[16:53] <mfonz85> i need a little help
[16:53] <mfonz85> 1 minute only
[16:54] <gp> i am getting strage ports opened at ubuntu server fresh install
[16:54] <gp> Not shown: 1695 closed ports
[16:54] <gp> PORT     STATE    SERVICE
[16:54] <gp> 22/tcp   open     ssh
[16:54] <gp> 25/tcp   filtered smtp
[16:54] <gp> 80/tcp   open     http
[16:54] <gp> 134/tcp  filtered ingres-net
[16:54] <gp> 135/tcp  filtered msrpc
[16:54] <gp> 136/tcp  filtered profile
[16:54] <gp> 137/tcp  filtered netbios-ns
[16:54] <gp> 138/tcp  filtered netbios-dgm
[16:54] <gp> 139/tcp  filtered netbios-ssn
[16:54] <gp> 445/tcp  filtered microsoft-ds
[16:54] <gp> 771/tcp  filtered rtip
[16:54] <gp> 1022/tcp filtered unknown
[16:54] <gp> 1023/tcp filtered netvenuechat
[16:54] <gp> 1434/tcp filtered ms-sql-m
[16:55] <gp> 1485/tcp filtered lansource
[16:55] <gp> 1720/tcp filtered H.323/Q.931
[16:55] <gp> 3128/tcp filtered squid-http
[16:55] <gp> 3141/tcp filtered vmodem
[16:55] <gp> 3456/tcp filtered vat
[16:55] <gp> is this normal ?
[16:55] <jussi01> !paste
[16:56] <gp> oops
[16:57] <gp> are these ports supposed to be open ?
[16:57] <mfonz85> open -> ssh + http
[16:58] <gp>  filtered vmodem
[16:58] <gp> ?
[16:58] <mfonz85> it's normal i suppose
[17:37] <pteague_laptop> does anybody know if the default rsync is built with --fileflags, --acls, or iconv support ?
[17:39] <jdstrand> zul, mathiaz: as it seems that bug #244411 was not caused by the security update, I am handing off to you
[17:46] <nealmcb> gp: Filtered     means that a firewall, filter, or other network     obstacle is blocking the port so that Nmap cannot tell whether it is     open or closed.
[18:15] <kees> kirkland: here's what I use for my ~/.devscripts file: http://pastebin.osuosl.org/9564
[18:16] <kirkland> kees: thx
[19:18] <spphreak> hello all
[19:19] <spphreak> anyone setup kerrighed with ubuntu server?  I found the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EasyUbuntuClustering link and followed the directions.  Pretty good stuff, seemed to run okay, but I don't see any nodes.
[19:21] <spphreak> I'm just looking to do some SSI clustering with ubuntu.  Looked like kerrighed was my best option.
[19:32] <Tophat> does anyone know how to mirror a raid server?  ive got Server1 and  I want to copy all the data over to Server2 to preform upgrades to it. so that way i have one working box at all times.
[20:58] <kirkland> mathiaz: bug #249059
[21:35] <Kludge^WalesUK> anyone lurkings
[21:36] <W8TAH> hi folks -- how do i enable my hardy servers to use frambuffer for the console display and how do i get the pretty colors ?
[21:39] <W8TAH> also - -one further question -- what is the difference between apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade on hardy?
[22:07] <bitsbam> hello all
[22:18] <Smaug> hey all
[22:18] <Smaug> so in apache, i can't seem to disable sites with a2dissite anymore
[22:18] <Smaug> dunno way
[22:18] <Smaug> also when i try to reload apache
[22:19] <Smaug> it says "* Reloading webserver config apache2" but then does not say "[OK]" like it normally does
[22:19] <Smaug> any ideas on why this might be?
[22:39] <Smaug> anybody?  :(
[22:39] <Smaug> also, i restarted apache2, so it now says [ok] when i reload
[22:39] <Kludge^WalesUK> if i was able to help out i would :(
[22:39] <Smaug> but it still refuses to disable sites
[22:39] <Smaug> Kludge^WalesUK: ty for the sentiment
[22:39] <Smaug> if there is some alternate involved way to disable a site
[22:39] <Smaug> i'll try that
[22:40] <Kludge^WalesUK> i'm here to learn as much i can ;) maybe linux will learn not to hate me so much <3
[22:40] <Smaug> heh
[22:43] <failure> i hope this is "server specific" if i have fedora and ubuntu, and want to setup pxe with automatic handsfree installer, can  do both through the preseed method or do i have to have two servers, one running kickstart and the other using the preseed method?
[22:43] <failure> being that i have both fedora and ubuntu to be installed via pxe.
[22:55] <mathiaz> failure: fedora doesn't support preseed - however, ubuntu supports kickstart
[23:23]  * Kludge^WalesUK cries and proceeds to stabbeth ubuntu server with a PP3 battery