[00:15] <foug> hello
[00:17] <TheSheep> hi foug
[00:18] <foug> hi, i'm wondering about pulse audio
[00:18] <foug> i use ubuntu not xubuntu, but the #ubuntu channel is pretty worthless
[00:19] <TheSheep> xubuntu doesn't use pulseaudio by default
[00:19] <foug> ahh, so you don't know anything about it then? ;\
[00:19] <TheSheep> a little
[00:19] <TheSheep> what are you wondering about?
[00:19] <foug> just, where i can access the settings for it
[00:20] <TheSheep> thare is a number of gui tools
[00:20] <TheSheep> there
[00:20] <foug> so, i'd have to download a gui tool first? there isn't one with ubuntu by default
[00:20] <TheSheep> they are all called pa-something, I think
[00:21] <TheSheep> try tab-completion in a terminal
[00:22] <TheSheep> paman, pavucontrol, pavumeter
[00:22] <TheSheep> and pulseaudio-utils
[00:29] <foug> allright, thank you
[04:15] <ramin> can someone help me install a theme/
[04:16] <ramin> can anyone help?
[04:21] <alyawn> hi all... I just installed xubuntu (from kubuntu kde4) and I love it.
[04:21] <alyawn> awesome
[04:21] <j1mc> :)
[04:22] <evilbug> what's really the difference as far as aspect is concerned between gnome and xfce? they look VERY similar.
[04:23] <alyawn> one question: does it come with a default terminal app? I don't see one in my menus.
[04:24] <alyawn> nvm.... found it
[04:24] <sliverchair> any recommended html editor with ftp?
[04:24] <ramin> filezilla?
[04:25] <ramin> can anyone help me with installing a theme?
[04:27] <j1mc> evilbug: xfce is largely coded in C, so it is fast.  the codebase is cleaner in xfce, too.
[04:27] <j1mc> ramin: i can help w/ installing a theme.
[04:28] <ramin> hey there
[04:28] <j1mc> hi ramin
[04:28] <ramin> hi, thanks for coming to the help
[04:28] <j1mc> so you want to install a theme.  have you downloaded the theme file?
[04:28] <ramin> indeed, it is http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php?content=56438&forumpage=21
[04:29] <ramin> it needs to install a theme engine first
[04:29] <j1mc> ok.  where did you download the file to?
[04:29] <ramin> and well, i downloaded it
[04:29] <ramin> i extracted to 2 tarballs
[04:29] <j1mc> ok.  where did you extract them to?
[04:29] <ramin> extracted aurora file
[04:29] <ramin> um
[04:29] <ramin> /home/ramin/gtkrc
[04:30] <j1mc> do you want the themes to be available for all users or just you?
[04:30] <ramin> just me
[04:30] <ramin> only one user anyway
[04:30] <j1mc> right
[04:30] <ramin> as the instructions say
[04:30] <ramin> i have to do this
[04:30] <ramin> make install
[04:30] <ramin> but when I do that
[04:31] <ramin> it tells me I have no make target 'install'
[04:31] <j1mc> hm
[04:31] <j1mc> when you type, sudo apt-get install build-essential   what happens?
[04:32] <ramin> uh, wait
[04:32] <j1mc> you need some software to help you build software
[04:33] <ramin> oh
[04:33] <ramin> I have to install build-essential
[04:33] <ramin> should I?
[04:33] <j1mc> the build-essential package will give you that software, so yes.
[04:33] <j1mc> otherwise 'make' won't make anything
[04:33] <ramin> ah, now that makes sense
[04:34] <ramin> k, it's done installing
[04:34] <ramin> now let me try
[04:34] <j1mc> ok
[04:36] <ramin> make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
[04:36] <ramin> I never understand that
[04:37] <j1mc> did you try, 'sudo make install'
[04:37] <j1mc> w/o the ' marks?
[04:38] <ramin> i just did, doesn't work, gives me the same error
[04:38] <j1mc> did you google that error?
[04:38] <ramin> that was dumb of me, no, let me do it now
[04:39] <j1mc> did you run ./configure
[04:39] <j1mc> and then make
[04:39] <j1mc> first?
[04:40] <ramin> yep
[04:40] <j1mc> ok.  :]
[04:43] <j1mc> i will try installing it myself, and see what i get.
[04:43] <ramin> thanks
[04:44] <ramin> I'll be back in like 10-15 minutes, but if Im not here,
[04:44] <ramin> just write it out in irc, and i'll read
[04:51] <shah> hi guys, how to mount windows partitions on my xubuntu
[05:05] <ramin> jlmc
[05:08] <ramin> were you able to do anything?
[05:09] <j1mc> i'm trying
[05:10] <ramin> k
[05:10] <j1mc> when i configured the aurora engine, i got  GTK+-2.10 is required to compile aurora
[05:10] <j1mc> so i need to do that first.
[05:10] <ramin> i see
[05:14] <ramin> jlmc
[05:14] <rand0m> can someone tell me how to add a konqueror launcher icon to the panel in xfce ?
[05:14] <ramin> sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev
[05:18] <j1mc> ramin: yes  :)
[05:18] <ramin> so, how did you configure the rest? what did you do for make install
[05:19] <j1mc> i'm running make now
[05:19] <ramin> ah
[05:20] <j1mc> ramin: it worked for me.
[05:20] <ramin> omg
[05:20] <ramin> what did you do?
[05:20] <j1mc> did you use ./configure --prefix=/usr  ?
[05:21] <j1mc> rand0m: i can help you
[05:21] <j1mc> rand0m: have you installed konqueror?
[05:21] <rand0m> absolutely.
[05:21] <rand0m> .....yes
[05:21] <rand0m> heh
[05:22] <ramin> I did that,
[05:22] <ramin> what did you do next?
[05:22] <j1mc> just right click on the panel, and select add new item
[05:22] <j1mc> then select 'launcher'
[05:23] <j1mc> you can type 'konqueror' in the command line
[05:23] <ramin> did you just run make?
[05:23] <rand0m> jlmc: where do I find the icon tho ?
[05:24] <ramin> alright jlmc, something is happening
[05:25] <j1mc> rand0m: try /usr/share/icons  ... is there a konqueror icon in there?
[05:26] <rand0m> nope
[05:26] <evilbug> i just installed xubuntu on a macbook pro and i'm following the ubuntu instructions to set it up. i'm having a little trouble with this command "gksu gedit /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common" how would i run it in xfce?
[05:27] <j1mc> rand0m: what about /usr/share/applications
[05:28] <rand0m> newp
[05:29] <rand0m> wtf.. my mouse just randomly stopped working
[05:30] <ramin> thank you so much jlmc
[05:30] <rand0m> the touchpad on my laptop still works
[05:30] <rand0m> buuut mouse is f
[05:30] <ramin> I got it to work
[05:30] <rand0m> ´d
[05:30] <ramin> a lot easier than I thought it was
[05:31] <rand0m> brb i need to reboot.. an update completed
[05:31] <j1mc> rand0m: sorry i can't find the icon.
[05:31] <j1mc> i should know where it is, but i can't find it.
[05:31] <j1mc> ramin: glad i was able to help.
[05:31] <j1mc> enjoy the theme!
[05:31] <evilbug> and where can i find the power options in xfce?
[05:31] <rand0m> jlmc, itś all good.. itś probably supposed to be where you said, so the problem is likely that itś not where itś supopsed to be
[05:31] <rand0m> ok how about this one ?
[05:32] <rand0m> how come when i just type as usual, with apostropheś, it shows up like that?
[05:32] <rand0m> accenting letters instead of apostrophizing
[05:33] <j1mc> evilbug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/243848
[05:33] <j1mc> check out that bug
[05:33] <j1mc> rand0m: when you type 'locale'  what is the result?
[06:19] <quixot1> I'm trying to install xubuntu 7.10 on a Dell Latitude LS.  (8.04 CD didn't write properly, and I had a 7.10 lying around.)  It needs an 800x600 resolution, but it the LiveCD installs "Default" 1024x768.  Close buttons, menu items all sorts of stuff is off the screen.  Aargh.  I've been searching the web for days.  Anyone know how to deal with this?  I've tried editing xorg.conf, but can't find the magic combination.
[06:31] <jimmy_the_saint> ﻿I am have noticed a couple issues that I, and others, have had that haven't been solved on the forums.  First, upon returning from suspend, there is no password prompt.  Does anyone know a solution for this?
[06:33] <ramin> can anyone help me install this,http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-places-plugin
[06:34] <ramin> http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-places-plugin
[06:34] <jimmy_the_saint> what distro?
[06:34] <ramin> xubuntu
[06:34] <ramin> i need help building the tarball, basically
[06:35] <ramin> version 1.1
[06:35] <ramin> i extract it,
[06:35] <ramin> and go to the directory
[06:35] <ramin> I then type ./configure
[06:35] <jimmy_the_saint> they are in the repos
[06:36] <ramin> it goes
[06:36] <ramin> and then I type make
[06:36] <ramin> but it says no target file
[06:36] <ramin> i'll check
[06:37] <jimmy_the_saint> you can install it via synaptic.  Just search for goodies and look for xfce-goodies
[06:37] <ramin> k, thank you
[06:37] <jimmy_the_saint> no problem
[06:38] <jimmy_the_saint> Anyone know how to enable a password prompt upon returning from suspend?
[06:39] <ramin> I don't see the one I need though, it is for Places
[06:40] <jimmy_the_saint> i think that smartbookmark tool is the one you are looking for
[06:40] <jimmy_the_saint> that is the version on the site
[06:40] <ramin> I see, well, I just want my harddrives to be listed in Places
[06:42] <jimmy_the_saint> well try it out, and if it doesn't work, come back!!
[06:42] <ramin> i just tried xfce4-goodies
[06:46] <ramin> don't see anything that could help me exactly
[06:46] <jimmy_the_saint> when you open thunar, you should have a side panel that shows the items on your places menu and your mounted drives
[06:47] <ramin> well
[06:47] <ramin> that's the problem
[06:48] <ramin> my harddrives had to be manually mounted
[06:48] <ramin> they were mounted into a directory though
[06:48] <jimmy_the_saint> hmm
[06:48] <jimmy_the_saint> why did they have to be manually mounted?
[06:49] <ramin> Im not sure, xubuntu would just not see my NTFS drives, but if I did, fdisk -l, it would find them
[06:49] <jimmy_the_saint> hmm
[06:49] <jimmy_the_saint> thats above my head
[06:49] <ramin> haha
[06:50] <ramin> yeah, so I just wanted to install that thing, so it would have folder shortcuts leading to the mounted hard drives
[06:50] <ramin> right now, it's like /media/hde
[06:50] <jimmy_the_saint> you could add a bookmark in that panel to /media.  that would at least eliminate a lot of mouseclicks
[06:51] <ramin> how would i do that
[06:51] <ramin> That's actually what I was meaning to do
[06:51] <ramin> on xfce, you can't really add things to the places
[06:52] <jimmy_the_saint> click on the file system bookmark
[06:53] <jimmy_the_saint> right click on the media icon and select "send to sidebar" (create bookmark)
[06:53] <ramin> Awesome!
[06:53] <ramin> Your my hero
[06:53] <ramin> that is exactly what I wanted
[06:53] <ramin> thank you
[06:54] <jimmy_the_saint> right on
[06:55] <ramin> have you ever had the problem where if you right click on something, the menu goes away all of a sudden, and then you have to keep right clicking?
[06:56] <jimmy_the_saint> nope
[06:56] <ramin> weird
[06:56] <jimmy_the_saint> could be your mouse too
[06:56] <ramin> indeed
[06:56] <ramin> especially since im so ghetto
[07:13] <rand0m> for some reason, my kensington optical mouse just randomly stops working.. even when i change ports it doesn´t work.. when i reboot, it works for a bit but shortly thereafter, stops again
[07:21] <rand0m> for some reason, my kensington optical mouse just randomly stops working.. even when i change ports it doesn´t work.. when i reboot, it works for a bit but shortly thereafter, stops again
[07:21] <rand0m> err sorry
[09:49] <Cobra112> Hozsanna testverek
[09:50] <Cobra11> Hozsanna
[12:11] <Kardoso> hi
[13:34] <AlexCONRAD> hi, are there any respins for xubuntu that has the latest packages?
[13:34] <AlexCONRAD> that's for CD custmomization
[13:35] <TheSheep> you mean Intrepid?
[13:35] <AlexCONRAD> hello TheSheep, I don't know, what's intrepid ?
[13:35]  * AlexCONRAD 's googling for it
[13:35] <TheSheep> !intrepid
[13:36] <AlexCONRAD> ah, no alpha
[13:36] <AlexCONRAD> some CD respin with the latest current updates
[13:36] <TheSheep> the last stable is Hardy
[13:36] <AlexCONRAD> I just saw there's Xubuntu 8.04.1 Released
[13:36] <Myrtti> I believe the cd's now downloadable are that
[13:36] <Myrtti> 8.04.1
[13:37] <TheSheep> ah, I'm not up to date
[13:37] <TheSheep> yay, new kernel
[13:40] <AlexCONRAD> where are the release notes ?
[13:46] <jokoon> Hello
[13:47] <jokoon> I have a VERY annoying bug or material problem with my apple ibook G4. When I'm typing the touchpad randomly clicks and I almost don't touch it, How can I deactivate touchpad click ?
[13:47] <jokoon> because it was possible with gnome
[14:17] <user1321> hello
[16:22] <thinkmassive> did anyone else's panels disappear with the 8.04.1 update?
[16:22] <vinnl> thinkmassive, try pressing Alt+F2 and running "xfce4-panel" :)
[16:23] <thinkmassive> that gets them back but I don't want to do that everytime
[16:23] <vinnl> thinkmassive, you shouldn't have to do that every time
[16:23] <thinkmassive> oh ok, thank you
[16:23] <vinnl> Once ought to be enough :)
[16:25] <thinkmassive> my nm-applet has stopped responding too
[16:25] <vinnl> Hmm... What do you mean by "the 8.04.1 update" by the way? Did you do a fresh install?
[16:26] <thinkmassive> no, I installed the update that became available this morning
[16:27] <thinkmassive> the Update Manager told me there were updates available and I actually didn't read through all of them like I usually do, I just remember seeing some kernel updates and a bunch of other stuff
[16:28] <vinnl> But that's not "the 8.04.1 update", those are just regular update. 8.04.1 is just an updated ISO including all updates up til then
[16:28] <vinnl> Oh wait...
[16:28] <vinnl> I get it - it must be because the release announcement only appeared on the website yesterday. My bad :(
[16:29] <thinkmassive> it doesn't make a difference if I get there using a fresh install from a cd or by downloading and installing updates, I'm still at version 8.04.1
[16:29] <vinnl> True
[16:39] <AlexCONRAD> what's the release rate of new ISO updates? like 8.04.1 ?
[16:39] <cody-somerville> AlexCONRAD, .2 isn't scheduled yet
[16:39] <vinnl> cody-somerville, I believe it was something like every three months?
[16:40] <AlexCONRAD> that would be neat
[16:40] <cody-somerville> vinnl, I strongly doubt it.
[16:40] <cody-somerville> vinnl, it takes a lot of effort to do a release, even a point release
[16:41] <vinnl> cody-somerville, AlexCONRAD: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/146
[16:41] <vinnl> "We also committed, for the first time, to a regular set of point releases for 8.04 LTS. These will start three months after the LTS, and be repeated every six months until the next LTS is out."
[16:41] <cody-somerville> okay, so every six months
[16:41] <cody-somerville> that makes more sense
[16:58] <AlexCONRAD> where can I see releases-notes of the xubuntu kernel?
[16:58] <AlexCONRAD> is there a README or something ?
[16:59] <AlexCONRAD> I had problems with my network card (realtek RTL8111C) and I used to patch my kernel. I just upgraded and it seems that my network card now works
[16:59] <AlexCONRAD> without the patch
[16:59] <zoredache_> most of the time notes and change logs go into /usr/share/doc/{packagename}
[16:59] <AlexCONRAD> is that related to kernel.org, or could it be a *buntu fix ?
[17:00] <AlexCONRAD> zoredache: ok, I'll look here
[17:01] <zoredache> if something was fixed upstream in the kernel though you might have to look at the upstream change logs which are kernel.org
[17:01] <zoredache> they may also be included in the kernel docs if if you install the docs package
[17:05] <AlexCONRAD> there's a commit regarding the driver's module on the kernel's changelog: Sun Apr 27 17:59:52 2008 +0200
[17:07] <AlexCONRAD> not sure if that's a fix to my problem though
[17:10] <cody-somerville> AlexCONRAD, You might ask in #ubuntu-kernel
[17:10] <AlexCONRAD> cody-somerville: thanks, didn't know about that
[17:10] <cody-somerville> np :)
[17:11] <cody-somerville> AlexCONRAD, You seem pretty knowledgeable. Would you be interested in helping contribute to Xubuntu?
[17:15] <AlexCONRAD> cody-somerville: im honored. Although I'm not sure I have the skills for that (nor the time, but little contributions are always nice)
[17:15] <AlexCONRAD> cody-somerville: what does it consiste in really ?
[17:15] <AlexCONRAD> consist*
[17:16] <cody-somerville> AlexCONRAD, Everyone can contribute as little or as much as they like. Xubuntu is a community project and is held up and supported via "many hands make light work".
[17:16] <vinnl> AlexCONRAD, you might want to join #xubuntu-devel if you're interested :)
[17:16]  * cody-somerville nods. :)
[17:17] <AlexCONRAD> what do I get if I sign?
[17:18] <zoredache> a warm fuzzy feeling for having contributed
[17:18] <AlexCONRAD> like, be able to commit or so ? have an email @xubuntu ?
[17:18] <vinnl> It's a great feeling :)
[17:18] <AlexCONRAD> girls tatooed xubuntu all over the place ?
[17:18] <vinnl> xD
[17:19] <cody-somerville> :)
[17:19] <cody-somerville> AlexCONRAD, I'm working on getting @xubuntu e-mail addresses for contributors
[17:19] <cody-somerville> AlexCONRAD, But you'll get nice launchpad badges and if you do well you'll get commit access of course :)
[17:20] <AlexCONRAD> cody-somerville: dont worry, I'm fine with my email. I just wanted to know if I get any more privilege
[17:20] <AlexCONRAD> cody-somerville: ok, so it's about contributing on the mailing list and so, right?
[17:20] <zoredache> it can be said that you get the potential for more privilege
[17:21] <cody-somerville> AlexCONRAD, hehe. Well, contributing on the mailing list is part of it but there is a lot of other stuff like bug triage, bug fixing, packaging, writing documentation, helping others, and much more.
[17:21] <AlexCONRAD> well, I'll subscribe xubuntu-devel if it's all the implication it needs
[17:21] <vinnl> AlexCONRAD, you might also want to see xubuntu.org/devel
[17:21] <AlexCONRAD> I'm scared about commit, i'd rather have the approval befor e:)
[17:22] <AlexCONRAD> i only like to commit my own projects
[17:22] <AlexCONRAD> :)
[17:23] <cody-somerville> AlexCONRAD, Don't worry. We won't let you break anything :)
[17:23] <AlexCONRAD> is https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel it ?
[17:23] <cody-somerville> AlexCONRAD, and if you do, no biggie. We'll help you fix it :)
[17:23] <cody-somerville> AlexCONRAD, Yup.
[17:24] <AlexCONRAD> done
[17:24] <AlexCONRAD> i was following (from very far) the XFCE list already
[17:24] <AlexCONRAD> although, I'm not desktop user really (yet)
[17:24]  * cody-somerville nods.
[17:24] <AlexCONRAD> i'm setting up some kind of setopbox
[17:25] <AlexCONRAD> automation install (preseed and such)
[17:25] <cody-somerville> :)
[17:25] <AlexCONRAD> anyway, I'll be glad to help if I have any chance
[17:25]  * cody-somerville nods.
[17:25] <cody-somerville> AlexCONRAD, #xubuntu-devel is a great place to hang out to spot such chances :)
[17:25] <vinnl> \0/
[17:26] <AlexCONRAD> brb
[18:10] <Snoopotic> is there a tool to disable the automatic start on boot of some services like lighttpd & else? or do I have to rmeove them automatically in init.d / rc.d
[18:10] <vinnl> Snoopotic, there's Applications->System->Services if I'm right
[18:11] <vinnl> Snoopotic, if not everything is listed there you could install Boot-Up Manager
[18:12] <vinnl> Anyway, I'm off, good luck
[18:19] <Arth-Vader> in regular Ubuntu, you could browse and connect to computers on a local network. how do i do that in Xubuntu?
[18:20] <cody-somerville> Arth-Vader, download pyNeighborhood
[18:20] <cody-somerville> Arth-Vader, or use fusesmb
[18:22] <Bubalooshi> Hello
[18:23] <Bubalooshi> Can anybody help me with a problem I've encountered with Ubuntu?
[18:23] <Bubalooshi> Anybody?
[18:24] <Myrtti> let me get my crystal ball first
[18:24] <Bubalooshi> Alright
[18:24] <charlie-tca> !question
[18:26] <Bubalooshi> I installed Ubuntu for the first time. I logged in, and everything was fine and dandy. Then I installed 41 updates, restart my computer, and I get a command shell and I do not know how to log in.
[18:26] <charlie-tca> What is the prompt you get?
[18:27] <Bubalooshi> (initramfs)
[18:27] <charlie-tca> try typing  "exit" without the quotes
[18:27] <charlie-tca> then hit the enter key
[18:28] <Arth-Vader> ﻿cody-somerville - i think in Ubuntu it was a local FTP connection
[18:28] <Arth-Vader> my other computer is a Mac
[18:28] <Bubalooshi> I've tried that, it just clears the screen and makes a new prompt.
[18:28] <cody-somerville> Arth-Vader, Unfortunately there isn't really anything in Xubuntu currently that can do that.
[18:28] <Bubalooshi> As in it asks for (initramfs)_ again
[18:29] <Arth-Vader> okay
[18:29] <cody-somerville> Arth-Vader, I use curlftps though to mount remote ftp servers though.
[18:29] <charlie-tca> Give me a minute to look this up
[18:29] <Bubalooshi> Ok thank you
[18:30] <Arth-Vader> cody-somerville - is that command line?
[18:30] <cody-somerville> Arth-Vader, yup
[18:35] <charlie-tca> Bubalooshi: what is the version of ubuntu
[18:35] <Bubalooshi> 8.04, downloaded it a couple hours ago
[18:39] <Bubalooshi> If you want the specific file name, it was ubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386
[18:39] <charlie-tca> Okay, thanks
[18:40] <charlie-tca> Did you get any errors during the installation?
[18:40] <Bubalooshi> Do you mean it completely stopped installing?
[18:41] <Bubalooshi> I didn't have to do anything, it installed.
[18:41] <charlie-tca> No, while you were putting Xubuntu on the drive
[18:42] <Bubalooshi> I'm still confused-- I installed it through Windows.
[18:42] <charlie-tca> You mean you put the cd in the drive and ran it
[18:42] <Bubalooshi> Yes, that's what I did. I chose the install through Windows option and configured it.
[18:42] <charlie-tca> Is there a cd still in the drive?
[18:43] <Bubalooshi> No, I took it out after I logged in and installed the updates.
[18:43] <Bubalooshi> Told me I had to restart, so I did, and I get this message.
[18:46] <charlie-tca> Can you try Ctrl-D then. It will either exit this prompt and continuue or it will restart.
[18:46] <Bubalooshi> I will try that.
[18:46] <Bubalooshi> It is on this computer and I am on Windows now, so I will be back.
[18:47] <charlie-tca> Let me know what happens, I'll be here for a couple of hours
[19:42] <dromer> hmmm, having trouble getting mpd to see my mp3 collection
[19:42] <dromer> I installed the w32codecs
[19:42] <dromer> but it still can't see anything
[19:42] <ablomen> dromer, mp3 isnt covered by w32codecs
[19:43] <ablomen> you need lame for that :)
[19:43] <dromer> hmm, thought it was .. well totem can play mp3 anyway (from ffmpeg right?)
[19:43] <ablomen> yeah
[19:43] <ablomen> what mpd deamon are you using btw?
[19:44] <dromer> so mpd still can't see my collection ..
[19:44] <dromer> mpd == daemon
[19:44] <dromer> or what version you mean?
[19:44] <ablomen> heh right, srry bout that :P
[19:44] <dromer> hmm, not sure what version
[19:44] <dromer> where can I check? :P
[19:45] <ablomen> oh yeah not the version, i was just being stupid ;)
[19:45] <dromer> then what do you want!!
[19:45] <dromer> :P
[19:45] <ablomen> anyway try just installing lame
[19:45] <vinnl> Do you mean client? :)
[19:45] <dromer> hmmm
[19:45] <dromer> ncmpc ofcourse ;)
[19:46]  * vinnl uses three different clients :P
[19:46] <dromer> which ones? :)
[19:46] <vinnl> mpc for keyboard shortcuts, the Xfce panel plugin for clicking and (atm) gmpc for when I want more :)
[19:46] <vinnl> Gotta love mpd :)
[19:47] <dromer> ok, lol
[19:47] <dromer> I only use ncmpc and sometimes one of those firefox plugins
[19:47] <dromer> I found one recently that was pretty cool, can't recall the name though ..
[19:48] <dromer> ok, lame is installed .. do I restart mpd first or just try to update the db?
[19:48] <dromer> I made a symlink in /var/lib/mpd/music to the dir containing the files btw
[19:49] <dromer> ok, didn't work :/
[19:50] <zoredache> does the mpd users have access to the files?
[19:50] <Bubalooshi> I am back after I was given help tips, and I have another question.
[19:50] <cody-somerville> welcome back
[19:51] <Bubalooshi> Thanks, I have a quick question.
[19:51] <vinnl> Bring it on :)
[19:51] <Bubalooshi> I am stuck with my resolution at 800x600
[19:51] <dromer> zoredache: afaik it does ..
[19:51] <dromer> hmmm, maybe I need to chown the symlink to mpd
[19:51] <Bubalooshi> I cannot change it to what I normally use it at, 1280x1024
[19:51] <zoredache> chowning the link won't do anything
[19:52] <vinnl> Bubalooshi, which version of Xubunt uare you using?
[19:52] <Bubalooshi> The newest one, 8.04.1 desktop
[19:52] <zoredache> dromer:  you might want to try doing something like 'sudo -i -u mpd' or whatever the name of the account is that mpd uses
[19:52]  * cody-somerville recommends sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[19:52]  * cody-somerville and then suggests restarting X.
[19:52] <dromer> zoredache: doesn't even work .. what do I do then? the symlink is owned by root, could that be it?
[19:52] <dromer> zoredache: what does that do?
[19:53] <vinnl> Bubalooshi, have you already tried running displayconfig-gtk?
[19:54] <zoredache> dromer: it makes you become the mpd user... once you are the mpd user try and cd into /var/lib/mpd/music/whatever
[19:54] <Bubalooshi> No, I haven't. It is on this same computer, so what should I do after I run that?
[19:54] <vinnl> Bubalooshi, you can choose your monitor from there (you need to run it as root by the way)
[19:54] <vinnl> And then you should be able to pick the correct resolution (hopefully :)
[19:55] <Bubalooshi> Ok, thanks. I'll try that right now.
[19:55] <dromer> zoredache: can just fine
[19:55] <dromer> zoredache: cd to that dit that is
[19:55] <zoredache> as the mpd account?
[19:55] <dromer> zoredache: yes
[19:56] <zoredache> well then it probably isn't a permissions issue...
[19:56] <zoredache> I don't know anything about mpd though.  Maybe it doesn't like the symlinks?
[19:56] <dromer> it should
[19:56] <dromer> that's what /var/lib/mpd/music/ is for
[19:57] <zoredache> is it?  Or are you supposed to put the music in /var/lib/mpd/music
[19:58] <zoredache> never mind... accourding to the wiki it does support symlinks
[19:58] <dromer> hehe
[19:58] <dromer> you are supposed to put symlinks in there
[19:58] <dromer> yeah i really don't get it, on any system I've worked woth it always worked
[19:59] <zoredache> dromer: did you see this page 'http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Using_Multiple_Directories_Under_Parent'. It has an interesting comment at the bottem.... For Ubuntu users, if your directories and files are on other devices, like /dev/hda1, you must add mpd user to "plugdev" group.
[19:59] <zoredache> For more information see: Symbolic_link
[19:59] <dromer> lemme try and change the dir in mpd.conf to the file-dir directly .. if it can't see the files then ...
[19:59] <dromer> ok, add mpd to plugdev I gues ?
[20:00] <zoredache> I would be tempted to try that anyway...  Of course make sure you restart after you make the change
[20:00] <zoredache> 'restart mpd'
[20:00] <dromer> -duh- ;)
[20:01] <Bubalooshi> I have yet another problem :(
[20:02] <zoredache> we have a buy two get the next free deal today.  Ask away
[20:02] <Bubalooshi> I can't log into Ubuntu, I get a command shell (initramfs)
[20:03] <Bubalooshi> On Ubuntu 8.04.1 Desktop, I tried typing exit and Ctrl + D but it doesn't do anything. I was told that earlier.
[20:04] <zoredache> hrm...
[20:05] <Bubalooshi> I've been able to load and logon to Ubuntu the first time, I got this error many times, was once again able to log on, and then am getting this shell again.
[20:05] <dromer> nothing wrong with the shell ;)
[20:06] <Bubalooshi> I know, I didn't mean to say error :p
[20:06] <Bubalooshi> I just don't know how to get rid of this so I can logon through the Ubuntu GUI and not this.
[20:06] <zoredache> if you are in the initramfs shell it is a bit of an error....
[20:07] <zoredache> nt in that it is a shell, but instead because seeing it usually means some part of the boot process failed
[20:07] <dromer> zoredache: I can't get mpd added to group plugdev :/
[20:07] <Bubalooshi> What I CAN tell you is whenever it DOES boot up I ahve to wait a while because it stays at the some swap swap
[20:08] <ablomen> dromer, sudo adduser mdp plugdev doenst work?
[20:08] <Bubalooshi> That normally takes at least a minute or a little longer, maybe that has something to do with it?
[20:08] <dromer> ablomen: hmm, I did $ sudo useradd -G plugdev mpd
[20:09] <dromer> ablomen: well thnx on that :P
[20:09] <ablomen> hehe np :)
[20:10] <dromer> wewt, now it sees the symlink and the db is updated \o/
[20:10] <ablomen> :)
[20:10] <Bubalooshi> Is there anything I can do to fix this :( ?
[20:11]  * dromer anjoying mpd
[20:11] <dromer> en*
[20:11]  * vinnl too
[20:11]  * ablomen isnt, mplayer \o/ :)
[20:11] <dromer> now to get this raid1/smb setup fixed :#
[20:12] <vinnl> choice \0/
[20:12] <ablomen> yep :)
[20:12]  * dromer reboot to attach other disks
[20:14] <ablomen> what was that tui again? i forgot the name
[20:14] <ablomen> (tui as in text user interface)
[20:15] <ablomen> its on the tip of my toung..
[20:15] <vinnl> A tui for what?
[20:16] <ablomen> the tui itself, not for an app
[20:16] <vinnl> Sorry, no idea what you're talking about :P
[20:17] <ablomen> ah ncurses
[20:17] <ablomen> got it :)
[20:20] <charlie-tca> Bubalooshi: How much memory does that system have?
[20:21] <vinnl> charlie-tca,  * Bubalooshi has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) :)
[20:21] <charlie-tca> Yes, I missed that. Thanks
[20:24] <dromer> hmmm, wth, mpd can't see the disk anymore :/
[20:25] <dromer> it's still a member of plugdev, and the disk has the same location (symlink still works ..(
[20:26] <ablomen> stupid question.. mpd is still running?
[20:30] <dromer> yes
[20:31] <dromer> and not still, I had to shutdown and boot up again ..
[20:32] <ablomen> hmm, did you run mpd with sudo before you rebooted? i saw that tio comming trough
[20:32] <ablomen> *tip
[20:33] <dromer> yes, I ran it as sudo /etc/init.d/mpd start
[20:33] <ablomen> oh ok
[20:33] <ablomen> hmm
[20:35] <ablomen> you can play the files in a different player?
[20:36] <dromer> yes
[20:37] <ablomen> hmm, and the files are chmodded/owned and the disk is mounted in a way that other users then your user can read them?
[20:39] <dromer> wel it worked right before I rebooted :P
[20:39] <ablomen> heh myeah maybe you changed something in fstab or something ;)
[20:39] <dromer> nope
[20:40] <ablomen> hmm
[20:40] <ablomen> ok have no idea then
[20:40] <dromer> it's a usb-disk that gets automounted on boot
[20:40] <dromer> same location (symlink still works ..)
[20:40] <ablomen> oh..
[20:40] <ablomen> just a thought, but maybe mpd gets started before the drive is mounted?
[20:40] <ablomen> so the db is empty
[20:41] <dromer> could be, but updating the db doesn't work
[20:41] <dromer> restarting mpd doesn't work
[20:41] <ablomen> meh
[20:41] <dromer> uhuh
[20:41] <ablomen> use rhythmbox/mplayer/xmms/whatever :P
[20:42] <dromer> no F-ing way :/
[20:43] <ablomen> or just try cp-ing the files from the usb disk to a local folder and use that as the music dir
[20:43] <ablomen> chown it to mpd etc
[20:43] <dromer> heh, no way, it's ~60gb of files :P
[20:44] <dromer> the disk in this machine is like 9gb :P (6.5gb left :P )
[20:44] <ablomen> the usb disk is formated as fat btw?
[20:44] <dromer> and besides, it is supposed to work
[20:44] <dromer> yes, that doesn't matter
[20:44] <dromer> look, it worked up until I rebooted .. something went wrong :/
[20:45] <ablomen> well there was a problem in here some time ago. other users then the user that mounted the disk had problems reading/writing the file
[20:45] <ablomen> that might be it
[20:45] <ablomen> look, im just trying to help here ;)
[20:46] <dromer> :P
[20:48] <ablomen> anyway, since fat doesnt support permissions, it might be worth it to try and mount the disk as the mpd user/your own user
[21:02] <carbuntu> can someone please remind me how to set four desktops up instead of two?  or where to look for info?  appreciate.
[21:02] <vinnl> carbuntu, do you have Compiz installed?
[21:02] <ablomen> carbuntu, if you arnt, settings manager -> workspaces and margins
[21:03] <carbuntu> i *think* compiz is installed default with hardy int it?
[21:03] <vinnl> carbuntu, nope
[21:03] <ablomen> in gnome it is
[21:03] <vinnl> (Not with Xubuntu, at least)
[21:04] <ablomen> but then your in the wrong chanel :P
[21:05] <ablomen> (gnome as in ubuntu without the x in fron t
[21:05] <ablomen> of it that is) ;)
[21:08] <AJPowell> hello
[21:08] <vinnl> Hey AJPowell
[21:08] <AJPowell> does anyone here have time to help me with a wireless conenction, im new to xubuntu
[21:09] <vinnl> AJPowell, if it's not too difficult, sure
[21:13] <AJPowell> ok
[21:13] <AJPowell> well i have an o2 wireless box
[21:13] <AJPowell> and a belkin wireless g card
[21:13] <AJPowell> i have managed to set up the connection after 4 days
[21:13] <AJPowell> but keep getting random disconnects
[21:13] <AJPowell> and when disconnected if i do "iwconfig" i get wlan0 essid:off/any" but it should say WirelessNetwork
[21:13] <AJPowell> am i back?
[21:13] <ablomen> AJPowell, yep
[21:13] <AJPowell> sorry bout that
[21:14] <AJPowell> did u get anything
 and when disconnected if i do "iwconfig" i get wlan0 essid:off/any" but it should say WirelessNetwork << was the last line
[21:14] <AJPowell> ok cool
[21:14] <AJPowell> and when i try to reconnect i get trouble getting dhcp
[21:14] <vinnl> Not sure how to troubleshoot that, but have you tried using the Windows driver?
[21:15] <AJPowell> i am
[21:15] <AJPowell> there isnt any other one
[21:15] <AJPowell> i have to use ndiswrapper
[21:15] <vinnl> Ah
[21:15] <AJPowell> do you want to see any iw/if config output?
[21:15] <AJPowell> or similar
[21:16] <vinnl> I wouldn't know what to do with it, but perhaps other people would
[21:16] <AJPowell> post in here or not?
[21:16] <vinnl> If it's long, use http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[21:17] <vinnl> (Or another pastebin of course :)
[21:17] <AJPowell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/27829/
[21:18] <AJPowell> is that how it works?
[21:18] <vinnl> Yep
[21:18] <AJPowell> cool
[21:19] <AJPowell> the network manager in xubuntu is not very helpful at all
[21:19] <AJPowell> the only way  ican get a connection is to do it in terminal
[21:19] <vinnl> AJPowell, have you tried using the manual configuration?
[21:19] <AJPowell> yeah it works for a while, then the essid resets
[21:19] <AJPowell> i cant work out why
[21:21] <vinnl> AJPowell, you could try installing another application to manage your wireless network, people have reported success with wicd when network-admin and networkmanager didn't work
[21:22] <AJPowell> where can i get those and would i have to remove network manager
[21:22] <charlie-tca> Another suggestion: associate the Access Point. When I ran wireless at home, I had to allow the router to broadcast
[21:22] <charlie-tca> it.
[21:22] <charlie-tca> Otherwise, it kept disconnecting.
[21:22] <AJPowell> charlie: would you be able to advise how?
[21:22] <AJPowell> sounds useful
[21:23] <charlie-tca> It should be a setting in the router configuration to broadcast.
[21:24] <AJPowell> oh, yeah the router is broadcasting its ssid
[21:24] <vinnl> AJPowell, I'd first try charlie-tca's suggestion, you can install wicd using the instructions on the website, you don't need to remove networkmanager
[21:24] <AJPowell> i meant the associate access point part?
[21:25] <charlie-tca> looking it up
[21:30] <charlie-tca> AJPowell: broadcasting the SSID, also on my LinkSys, set the MTU to1492, it wouldn't work at 1500...
[21:30] <AJPowell> ok
[21:31] <AJPowell> well the o2wireless box is set to broadcast its ssid
[21:31] <AJPowell> but how will i set my mtu?
[21:32] <charlie-tca> Is there an interface through the web browser?
[21:32] <AJPowell> yes or i can telnet
[21:32] <AJPowell> this router isnt a standard thing thugh most stuff is locked down
[21:32] <AJPowell> its supplied by isp
[21:32] <AJPowell> :-(
[21:33] <AJPowell> its called an o2wireless box
[21:33] <AJPowell> rebranded thompson something or other
[21:33] <charlie-tca> Oh, then it probably can't be done in it.
[21:34] <AJPowell> ok
[21:34] <AJPowell> is that the only way to set mtu?
[21:34] <AJPowell> in the router
[21:34] <AJPowell> its not a local setting
[21:34] <AJPowell> ?
[21:34] <charlie-tca> You can set it for the wireless card using ..
[21:34] <vinnl> !punctuation
[21:35] <AJPowell> yeah sorry bout that
[21:35] <vinnl> :)
[21:36] <AJPowell> hey i just download wicd but in the package installer it says error - conflicts with network manager?
[21:36] <AJPowell> shall i remove network manager?
[21:36] <vinnl> Oh bummer
[21:37] <vinnl> AJPowell, I suppose you can remove it and reinstall it if wicd doesn't work either
[21:37] <AJPowell> ok ill just reboot brb
[21:38] <vinnl> Oh btw
[21:38] <AJPowell> yep?
[21:38] <vinnl> You probably want to download the network-manager and network-manager-gnome packages first so you can reinstall them if you end up without an internet connection
[21:38] <vinnl> (http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=network%20manager&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all)
[21:38] <vinnl> (Btw, why do you need to reboot? :)
[21:39] <AJPowell> i can still connect via ethernet
[21:39] <vinnl> Oh ok
[21:39] <vinnl> Go ahead then :)
[21:39] <AJPowell> i assumed i need to because ive uninstalled network manager and still getting conflict message
[21:39] <vinnl> Conflict message?
[21:40] <AJPowell> in package installer "Status - Error: Conflicts with the installed package network manager"
[21:40] <AJPowell> when i click wicd.deb
[21:40] <vinnl> AJPowell, and you're sure you've uninstalled network-manager?
[21:40] <vinnl> (A reboot shouldn't be necessary)
[21:41] <AJPowell> i will check again
[21:41] <vinnl> (Be sure to click Apply after you've marked the changes in Synaptic ^.^)
[21:42] <AJPowell> i didnt do it in synaptic
[21:42] <vinnl> By the way, why did you take the .deb package? http://wicd.sourceforge.net/download.php mentions how to add a repository
[21:42] <vinnl> :)
[21:42] <AJPowell> i did it in Applications>System>Add/emove
[21:42] <AJPowell> oh ok ill have a look
[21:43] <vinnl> AJPowell, how did you get wicd.deb?
[21:43] <AJPowell> err
[21:43] <AJPowell> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=194573&package_id=229460&release_id=577210
[21:44] <vinnl> AJPowell, ah, well, I'd recommend following the instructions on http://wicd.sourceforge.net/download.php as that'll provide you with automatic updates and automatic removal of network-manager
[21:44] <AJPowell> ok but it has only instructions for ubuntu not xubuntu
[21:45] <vinnl> AJPowell, ah, well, the installation instructions are the same, with the only difference that Synaptic is located in Applications->System->Synaptic Package Manager
[21:46] <AJPowell> i see!
[21:46] <AJPowell> so i just use synaptic form now on
[21:46] <AJPowell> never used it befor
[21:46] <vinnl> Well, Add/Remove... is slightly easier but not all packages are listed there, so for certain tasks you need to use Synaptic
[21:46] <AJPowell> cool
[21:46] <vinnl> They do the same behind the scenes though
[21:47] <AJPowell> how do i aply changes the button is greyed out
[21:47] <vinnl> Oh, by the way, you're using Xubuntu 8.04 right?
[21:47] <AJPowell> yeah
[21:47] <AJPowell> hardy heron lol
[21:47] <vinnl> Did you use "    deb http://apt.wicd.net hardy extras" or  "deb http://apt.wicd.net gutsy extras"?
[21:47] <Kardoso> hi
[21:47] <vinnl> Hey Kardoso
[21:48] <AJPowell> havent done that yet. still trying to remove network manager
[21:48] <AJPowell> i have marked the change and its gone red but i cant click apply?
[21:48] <vinnl> AJPowell, ah, you don't have to do that manually now
[21:48] <vinnl> Hmm, that's odd though
[21:48] <AJPowell> oh ok. lol im a n00b
[21:48] <vinnl> No problem :)
[21:49] <Kardoso> Can I install Xubuntu to this computer: 1 GB RAM, Intel Celeron but the harddisk is so small there, I only can give 2 GB space maximum. Can I install Xubuntu there?
[21:49] <vinnl> Kardoso, that's going to be difficult
[21:50] <vinnl> Kardoso, at http://www.xubuntu.org/get#requirements you can read "To install Xubuntu, you need 1.5 GB of free space on your hard disk."
[21:50] <Kardoso> Hmm. thanks
[21:50] <vinnl> Kardoso, however, you'll have very little room left for documents and applications
[21:50] <Kardoso> I will try to make more free space
[21:50] <AJPowell> sorry vinnl, when i go to settings>repositories it is greyed out
[21:50] <zoredache> the answer is yes, but you can't get everything...  the livecd fits onto a CD
[21:51] <vinnl> AJPowell, are you running with adminstration (root) rights?
[21:51] <AJPowell> im not sure
[21:51] <AJPowell> this is the only account i have set up
[21:52] <AJPowell> i dont think it asked me if i wanted it to have admin privilidges
[21:52] <Kardoso> Vinnl, if I replace the documents to an mobile HDD, I'll get more +1 GB free space. Can I install Xubuntu if I can give maximum 3 GB space?
[21:52] <vinnl> AJPowell, to be sure, can you press Alt+F2 and run "gksudo synaptic"?
[21:52] <vinnl> Kardoso, well, that means you have 1,5GB left to store your documents and install some stuff on - it's not very much
[21:53] <Kardoso> Vinnl I dont want store any documents
[21:53] <vinnl> zoredache, btw, is that 1,5GB correct?
[21:53] <Kardoso> I store my documents on a big mobile HDD
[21:53] <Kardoso> (500 GB)
[21:54] <Kardoso> How can I backup my Xubuntu?
[21:54] <vinnl> Right... Well, it would work out but it wouldn't be a comfortable experience :P
[21:54] <vinnl> Kardoso, you have several backup applications
[21:54] <zoredache> vinnl: I don't know...
[21:54] <vinnl> I've tried sbackup and that worked well :)
[21:54] <vinnl> zoredache, too bad :)
[21:54] <Kardoso> Please should me one
[21:54] <zoredache> Kardoso: what filesystem is your big hd?
[21:55] <Kardoso> NTFS
[21:55] <zoredache> ah, and that is where you where planning on making backups?
[21:55] <Kardoso> yes
[21:56] <Kardoso> Can Acronis (from boot CD) backup the Linux file system?
[21:56] <zoredache> I really like using dirvish for backups, but the backup device must something like ext2/3.
[21:56] <zoredache> Kardoso: Any linux livecd should be able to backup a linux system
[21:56] <Kardoso> so if I make an ext2/3 partition then I can backup there?
[21:56] <zoredache> all the livecd has to do is have support for both your drive, and external drive
[21:57] <Kardoso> Zoredeache: thanks
[21:57] <zoredache> then you mount the source and destination and do something like tar -czf /soource/backup.tar.gz /mainfs
[21:57] <Kardoso> thanks
[21:57] <vinnl> Kardoso, do you want periodical backups or just a one-time backup?
[21:58] <Kardoso> Just one-time backu
[21:58] <zoredache> if you want an image style backup similar to ghost, then something like partimage should work too
[21:58] <charlie-tca> AJPowell: Been a long time, set MTU in you /etc/network/interfaces file using mtu 1492
[21:58] <vinnl> Kardoso, then zoredache's suggestion should work fine :)
[21:59] <Kardoso> Zoredache: yes, I want that but I am not sure Ghost or Acronis can backup ext2/3 file system. Can they?
[21:59] <paoligno> hi. i want to buy this notebook: SONY SZ71E/B T7250 2GB 160GB DL 13.3" VHP      . how can i know if it's fully compatible with ubuntu?
[21:59] <paoligno> with Xubuntu
[21:59] <zoredache> Kardoso: I think ghost can backup ext3 with versions later then v 8
[21:59] <paoligno> !laptop
[21:59] <zoredache> which I think means any version after 2000
[21:59] <Kardoso> I have Ghost 9
[22:00] <Kardoso> Ok, thanks all help. I logoff, bye all have a nice day
[22:09] <steven_> i have got a question
[22:09] <steven_> every time i plug in my external drive
[22:09] <steven_> t mounts fine
[22:09] <steven_> but when i right click and press unmount it works fine
[22:09] <steven_> then auto mounts again immediately
[22:10] <steven_> i would like to permanently unmount it until i choose to remount drive
[22:12] <steven_> cody-somerville any ideas?
[22:14] <cody-somerville> steven_, how do you know it is remounting?
[22:14] <steven_> no idea cody
[22:14] <steven_> in /media
[22:15] <steven_> there is two mount points i think
[22:15] <steven_> one is WD passport
[22:15] <steven_> the name of the drive
[22:15] <steven_> the second is WD Passport_
[22:15] <steven_> when drive is connected WD Passport_ has eveything in it
[22:15] <steven_> WD Passport exists whether or not the external is connected
[22:16] <steven_> any ideas?
[22:16] <steven_> i quickly checked forums and launchpad
[22:16] <steven_> should i delete first point?
[22:17] <steven_> i know it remounts cuz as soon as i right click and hit unmount, it pops up in thunar again and displays its contents
[22:17] <steven_> then i can hit unmount again
[22:17] <steven_> but it goes in circles
[22:18] <steven_> i am lost
[22:18] <steven_> i don't wanna lose data
[22:19] <AlexJamesPowell> winnl u still here?
[22:19] <AlexJamesPowell> vinnl***
[22:19] <AlexJamesPowell> can anyone help, when i do iwconfig i see an interface which i didnt set up
[22:19] <AlexJamesPowell> it says wlan0:avahi
[22:20] <steven_> hmmmm
[22:20] <steven_> you use wireshark?
[22:21] <steven_> or ethereal?
[22:24] <AlexJamesPowell> if there is anyone here who can help with wireless networking can you let me know?
[22:25] <steven_> alex
[22:25] <steven_> did you try to use ethereal or wireshark
[22:25] <steven_> did you do anything under root?
[22:25] <AlexJamesPowell> no i dont know how to get in root
[22:25] <AlexJamesPowell> i used wifi-radar
[22:26] <steven_> https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/internet/C/wireless.html
[22:26] <AlexJamesPowell> currently using wicd
[22:26] <steven_> wifi-radar?
[22:26] <steven_> hmmm
[22:26] <AlexJamesPowell> and ive read that thing about 20 times
[22:26] <AlexJamesPowell> its useless
[22:26] <AlexJamesPowell> in this situation
[22:26] <AlexJamesPowell> i am having trouble setting my essid on wlan0 atm
[22:27] <steven_> hmmm
[22:27] <steven_> sorry
[22:27] <steven_> lol
[22:27] <AlexJamesPowell> i am typing this in terminal: sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid WirelessNetwork
[22:27] <steven_> you don't sudo anything?
[22:27] <charlie-tca> AlexJamesPowell: the avahi interface is set up by the operating system.
[22:27] <AlexJamesPowell> but when i do iwconfig, it still says wlan0 essid off/any
[22:27] <steven_> avahi messed me up once
[22:27] <AlexJamesPowell> thanks charlie
[22:27] <steven_> lemme think about it real fast
[22:27] <AlexJamesPowell> wasnt there until today though
[22:34] <AlexJamesPowell> iwconfig
[22:34] <AlexJamesPowell> lol sorry meant to type that in terminal
[22:35] <AlexJamesPowell> am i still connected?
[22:36] <ablomen> yeah
[22:36] <AlexJamesPowell> cool
[22:37] <AlexJamesPowell> anyone know how to see if my device is on or off with the lshw -C network command?
[22:38] <AlexJamesPowell> i cant see where it says on or off?
[22:41] <charlie-tca> Try iwlist wlan0 scan
[22:43] <charlie-tca> AlexJamesPowell: you should be able to set the essid using iwconfig wlan0 essid "ssid" putting your ssid in without quotes
[22:43] <AlexJamesPowell> yes i have done that but it isnt storing the essid
[22:43] <AlexJamesPowell> if i type iwconfig wlan0 after doing that it still says essid off/any
[22:44] <AlexJamesPowell> charlie: i done the iwlist and can see my network there
[22:44] <charlie-tca> That means it has to be turned on, and it will take me longer to find.
[22:45] <AlexJamesPowell> what will take you longer to find?
[22:45] <charlie-tca> how to turn it on
[22:45] <AlexJamesPowell> what needs to be turned on then?
[22:46] <AlexJamesPowell> sorry if im being stupid
[22:46] <charlie-tca> Not stupid, they seem like very good questions. The ssid has to be turned on in the wireless card
[22:46] <AlexJamesPowell> oh i see
[22:46] <AlexJamesPowell> it has been set before
[22:47] <AlexJamesPowell> but it loses it or turns it off again or something
[22:47] <charlie-tca> It's just been over 2 years now since I took my cards out of the computers.
[22:48] <AlexJamesPowell> took your wifi cards out?
[22:48] <charlie-tca> Yes, I quit using wireless with Dapper 6.06
[22:49] <AlexJamesPowell> lol why too much hassle?
[22:49] <charlie-tca> You can set most things in interfaces, if you know the right wording. I think most of it is in man interfaces.
[22:50] <AlexJamesPowell> ok ill have a look
[22:51] <charlie-tca> in order to set the ssid permanently, you need to experiment a little. sometimes it is essid "aaaa", sometimes it is ssid="aaaa"
[22:51] <charlie-tca> Makes it a lot more difficult.
[22:51] <AlexJamesPowell> i will try ssid
[22:52] <AlexJamesPowell> unknown command "ssid"
[22:52] <charlie-tca> :(
[22:53] <AlexJamesPowell> where do i find interfaces?
[22:53] <AlexJamesPowell> in /dev?
[22:53] <charlie-tca> /etc/network
[22:55] <AlexJamesPowell> http://pastebin.com/d7377a686
[22:55] <AlexJamesPowell> see anything wrong?
[22:55] <vinnl> Yeah, you just posted your WEP key :P
[22:56] <AlexJamesPowell> lol yeah i just noticed that
[22:56] <AlexJamesPowell> good job its low range
[22:56] <AlexJamesPowell> wifi
[22:57] <AlexJamesPowell> according to that the essid is set isnt it?
[22:58] <charlie-tca> Yes, if that matches the essid in the router.
[23:01] <AlexJamesPowell> yeah itr does
[23:02] <AlexJamesPowell> do you know what the auto wlan0 bit means?
[23:02] <charlie-tca> Supposed to make it auto run on boot
[23:03] <charlie-tca> But, I'm not sure about the address in there if you are using dhcp
[23:05] <AlexJamesPowell> yeah thats what i was thinking
[23:05] <AlexJamesPowell> what should i do, delete it?
[23:05] <charlie-tca> Isn't that a static address?
[23:06] <charlie-tca> Did you add it?
[23:06] <AlexJamesPowell> no
[23:06] <AlexJamesPowell> maybe when i was trying to use wifi-radar
[23:06] <AlexJamesPowell> but the ip of my router is actually diff. to that one
[23:06] <AlexJamesPowell> where it says address: thats my ip
[23:06] <AlexJamesPowell> gateway is my router
[23:06] <AlexJamesPowell> and i donno the other 1
[23:07] <AlexJamesPowell> what should i do, delete the numbers or the whole line?
[23:08] <charlie-tca> yes, that is correct. That should then be not there, I think. Use # at the beginning of the line to comment it out
[23:08] <charlie-tca> then use /etc/init.d/networking restart to restart networking.
[23:08] <AlexJamesPowell> ok
[23:09] <AlexJamesPowell> when i click save i get writing error
[23:09] <AlexJamesPowell> ermm, is it because im using abiword?
[23:09] <vinnl> AlexJamesPowell, try running "sudo mousepad /etc/network/interfaces" :)
[23:10] <charlie-tca> I have to leave soon. The write error is because root owns the file. Open terminal, use sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces to edit
[23:10] <charlie-tca> Either one, I forget mousepad for some reason. Probably old age?
[23:10] <charlie-tca> The same with the restart, use sudo in front, please
[23:13] <AlexJamesPowell> hmm
[23:13] <AlexJamesPowell> http://pastebin.com/mb0d1e56
[23:13] <charlie-tca> What's that?
[23:14] <AlexJamesPowell> its what happened when i did the restart
[23:15] <AlexJamesPowell> any ideas?
[23:15] <charlie-tca> Yep, try Applications -> System -> Network; click that connection, then Properties. What is configuration?
[23:17] <AlexJamesPowell> essid is right, wep is on, key is ther, dhcp is on
[23:18] <charlie-tca> What is Configuration there? Does it say static or ?
[23:19] <charlie-tca> That should be Connections - click on wlan0 - properties
[23:20] <charlie-tca> If it is DHCP, close properties and look under General. What is in Domain name?
[23:23] <MXIIA> Sorry to interrupt, but does Xubuntu allow you to delete
[23:23] <MXIIA> Windows upon installation?
[23:23] <vinnl> MXIIA, yep
[23:23] <dromer> just delete it's partition from the partition-table
[23:24] <MXIIA> ok, thanks vinnl and dromer
[23:24] <charlie-tca> AlexJamesPowell: Did I lose you?\
[23:24] <vinnl> AJP1234567 = AlexJamesPowell?
[23:25] <charlie-tca> Am I behind again? I show both names.
[23:25] <vinnl> I can see both too
[23:25] <MXIIA> so can I
[23:25] <charlie-tca> Whew!
[23:26] <charlie-tca> Well anyway, gotta go to my grandson's soccer games now. If he comes back, try to get him to connect without the WEP.
[23:27] <vinnl> charlie-tca, that worked before
[23:27] <vinnl> Anyway, good luck to your grandson charlie-tca :)
[23:28] <charlie-tca> Then the key is wrong in the router, I think. They have to match including case.
[23:29] <AJP1234567> charlie?
[23:29] <vinnl> AJP1234567, he just left
[23:30] <vinnl> AJP1234567, he said that if you can connect without WEP, the WEP key is probably wrong in the router
[23:30] <vinnl> AJP1234567, <charlie-tca> Then the key is wrong in the router, I think. They have to match including case.