[00:01] <apachelogger> Xand3r: aye, wait some minutes
[00:03] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i have i think cron has solved the problem
[00:03] <Xand3r> apachelogger: but it still uploads the source
[00:03] <apachelogger> Nightrose: again dead
[00:03] <apachelogger> Nightrose: no, ktts
[00:04] <apachelogger> phonon + skype != good idea
[00:05] <Xand3r> apachelogger:  2710k/12964k i think it will take a hour
[00:25] <Riddell> Nightrose: ok for daniel jones on planet?
[01:09] <JontheEchidna> what is dfsg?
[01:11] <vorian> !dfsg
[01:11] <vorian> what!
[01:11] <vorian> Debian free software guidelines
[01:11]  * JontheEchidna wants to update ktorrent to newest upstream and sees dsfg in the version
[01:11] <vorian> JontheEchidna: yeah, it's in main
[01:12] <vorian> too
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> so you'd have to get a core-dev to upload?
[01:12] <vorian> bug 234514
[01:12] <vorian> JontheEchidna: yep
[01:13] <JontheEchidna> hmm, somebody is already doin' it...
[01:15] <JontheEchidna> vorian: you said you'd look at plasma-wifi on the road. I hadn't even tried to backport that one. That's an old one that you shouldn't waste time with
[01:15] <JontheEchidna> WEll, I do have a backport of plasmoid-wifi on my pc
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> but that's an old version for hardy
[01:16] <vorian> alrighty
[01:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: have a look at the debian/rules
[01:23] <apachelogger> actually
[01:23] <apachelogger> I think I have the package somewhere
[01:23] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: debian/rules of?
[01:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ktorrent
[01:24]  * apachelogger didn't get round to throw a debdiff at jr
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> non-free stuff is stuff that depens on non-free libraries?
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> oh, or has nonfree content
[01:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: both true
[01:27] <apachelogger> but eventually free stuff that links against non-free stuff is illegal anyways :P
[01:28] <apachelogger> at least for gpl
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: did you see the new plasmoid in ktorrent?
[01:34] <apachelogger> nope
[01:34] <apachelogger> maybe the version I packaged is already old again ;-)
[01:35] <JontheEchidna> oh, nevermind. That's trunk
[01:36] <apachelogger> well
[01:36] <apachelogger> I am off for now
[01:36] <vorian> nn
[01:36] <apachelogger> watching the original batman series :D
[01:36] <apachelogger> nini
[01:36] <JontheEchidna> ttyl
[01:53] <nixternal> hola
[02:58] <JontheEchidna> By the way, it seems kdeadmin, kdeartwork, kdewebdev, and kdesdk 4.0.98 never got backported
[03:03] <JontheEchidna> nighty night guys
[03:14] <vorian> O.o
[07:04] <flaccid> someone has mentioned that the kde 4.1 rc1 release of kubuntu 'has not caught up with the kde 4.1 branch'. is this true? when rc1 was compiled, which branch did it use??
[07:06] <Jucato> releases are supposed to be taken from tags/ not branches/. of course that means that rc1 (tagged as 4.0.98) will be behind branches/KDE/4.1
[07:07] <flaccid> thanks Jucato
[08:06] <Arby> morning all
[09:39] <Nightrose> Riddell: thanks for adding Daniel to the planet :)
[09:39] <Nightrose> (sorry was in bed already last night)
[09:40] <Nightrose> <- off to university
[09:47] <flaccid> have fun Nightrose :
[10:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: kdesudo package is empty
[10:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: hu ?????
[10:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have it installed here, and that works.... I build it locally.... lemme look
[10:03] <Tonio_> weird....
[10:04] <Riddell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/27960/
[10:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I'll fix that immediately
[10:07] <Riddell> toot sweet!
[10:07] <Riddell> :)
[10:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: :) I suspect a problem with the kde.mk since the packaging is really basic...
[10:09] <Riddell> kdesudo-kde4 still contains its redirect
[10:09] <Riddell> pointing to nowhere
[10:10] <Tonio_> hum, did I upload the good one ? ;)
[10:15] <tictric> I got kde4 trunk compiled where nepomuk file comments and ratings just work. In Kubuntu 4.1rc1 it doesn't here.
[10:20] <tictric> is that to be expected in the distro yet?
[10:24] <Riddell> it ought to work, but I've not looked into it
[10:25] <Riddell> hmm, it doesn't seem to save comments or ratings :(
[10:25] <tictric> right
[10:25] <Riddell> I certainly have neponukserver running
[10:26] <tictric> I do as well
[10:27] <Riddell> do you know which soprano backend you're using?
[10:28] <Riddell> hmm, I don't have sopranod running, would have thought that was needed for nepomuk
[10:29] <tictric> sopranod 1.7 (using Soprano 2.0.98) <-- not running
[10:32] <tictric> just running sopranod doesn't make any difference afaikt
[10:33] <Riddell> nepomukserver complans..  [/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub] "/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub(10537)" Error in thread 140036916856704 : "query: Graph pattern graph operation is not implemented yet. Ending query execution. (error)" (line: 1, column: -1)
[10:36] <tictric> http://paste.ubuntu.com/27964/
[10:36] <tictric> so it loaded but to no avail
[10:45] <Riddell> tictric: is sopranod running on the machine that you have it working on?
[10:46] <tictric> Riddell: after manually starting: yes
[10:48] <tictric> 19808 pts/0    S      0:00 sopranod
[10:48] <tictric> It just doesn't start on it's own
[10:49] <Riddell> I wonder how it works without starting then
[10:50] <tictric> ??
[10:50] <Wubbbi> Hello :) I'm Using Kubuntu ( KDE 4.1 ) IntrepidIbex on my Test Computer to report most bugs as possible :). I have 3 Suggestion. But i dont know if they are Kubuntu- or KDE bugs. So let me give you some :D. 1. The small Icons of Application in the Plasma Kicker are designet wrong. Sometimes they are Pretty and somethimes they are white and usvisible. 2. I cant get an Transparent Kicker ( in the nightly of Kde 4.1 its works perfect ). Or
[10:50] <Wubbbi> maybe its my fault i dont know. 3. The system ( i mean KDE 4.1 RC1 ) is much slower than in the nightly on HardyHeron. Maybe its because of the kernel or so on but i have used the same driver and the same configuration. So I can say that it is 40% slower. :) If you have any question about it pleas ask me :D
[10:51] <tictric> Riddell: I started it now by typing *sopranod* on commandline
[10:51] <tictric> In my selfcompiled trunk it sort of starts up on it's own when needed first in a session (las part guessed)
[10:52] <Riddell> right
[10:53] <tictric> I've never dived into the details (yet)
[10:53] <Riddell> hi Wubbbi
[10:53] <Wubbbi> hi :)
[10:53] <Riddell> 1) sounds like an upstream issue, maybe an X driver issue
[10:54] <Riddell> 2) how do you make it transparent
[10:54] <Riddell> 3) is pretty hard to debug
[10:55] <Wubbbi> Riddell: 2) in the nightly of KDE 4.1 ( Nightly Neon Project ) I just have had to enable the effects and it works. But noch on Kubuntu IntrepidIbex :( I dont know how to aktivate them.
[10:56] <Wubbbi> Riddell: 1) OK thats may possible :) But i just wanted to report this ^^
[10:56] <Wubbbi> 3) Yes thats right. But why dont you use more vanilla? may than it was faster? Maybe its a fault of Debian patches?
[11:13] <Riddell> humph, kwin compositing has broken lots in rc 1 it seems
[11:17] <Xand3r> hi
[11:18] <Riddell> hi Xand3r
[11:18] <Xand3r> hi Riddell
[11:19] <Xand3r> i am working a long time on these packages, pease folks review it, that i can finished it, thanx a lot http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=mailody-kde4 ; http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=digikam-kde4
[11:22] <Riddell> ok, two minutes
[11:31] <Xand3r> Riddell: thx, your the best
[11:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: fixed kdesudo uploaded
[11:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: I also fixed the divert rules and the link
[11:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: sorry for the bad upload.... I was too quick
[11:33] <Wubbbi> I have an other suggestion: When I'm Installing the package "Kubuntu Restricted extra" On IntrepidIbex: It will install some gnome files and firefox. Is thats normal? I gues that on Hardy it just install Media Codecs. :/
[11:34] <Riddell> Wubbbi: that shouldn't happen
[11:35] <Riddell> Xand3r: mailody complains that akonadi isn't running, otherwise it's all good
[11:35] <Riddell> oh and it started akonadi, so no problem
[11:35] <Wubbbi> Riddell: so it it a bug ... JIPPPI ... I have found a bug :D
[11:36] <Xand3r> Riddell: so there is no problem?
[11:36] <Riddell> Xand3r: seems to work here
[11:36] <Riddell> although akonadi has a pointless systray icon, grr
[11:36] <Riddell> Xand3r: I'll upload mailody
[11:37] <Wubbbi> so someone should fix it :) I cant fix it because im not a programmer :/ ^^
[11:37] <Xand3r> Riddell: thx, i post it in revu
[11:38] <Riddell> Xand3r: I don't have my revu password I'm afraid so someone else will need to archive it
[11:39] <Xand3r> Riddell: you can restor it
[11:39] <Riddell> Xand3r: I know but it's hassle tomorrow I'll be back at my normal computer where I'll have the password :)
[11:39] <Wubbbi> Can someone tell me how to look at the source of the Package " Kubuntu Restricted Extra " ? May i can fix it :D
[11:40] <Xand3r> Riddell: and digikam loks also good?
[11:40] <Xand3r> *looks
[11:41] <Riddell> Xand3r: looking now
[11:41] <Riddell> Xand3r: the version number needs to use ~ for the beta so 0.10.0~beta1-0ubuntu1 and the tar is digikam-kde4_0.10.0~beta1.orig.tar.gz
[11:42] <Riddell> otherwise the final will have a smaller version number which won't work
[11:42] <Riddell> ah, you worked out the sourceforge watch?
[11:48] <Wubbbi> Riddell: hmm i have watched at the source of the package " Kubuntu Restricted extra " and it seems to be ok. But why does the want to install gnome-libs and firefox? maybe a codec mistake?
[11:48] <vorian> morning
[11:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: mailody can be archived?
[11:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes please
[11:49] <apachelogger> k
[11:49] <apachelogger> Tonio_: konq-plugins ready for upload apparently
[11:49] <Tonio_> apachelogger: already in NEW afaik ;)
[11:49] <apachelogger> arching that as well then
[11:50] <Riddell> Wubbbi: only installs icedtea-gcjwebplugin kubuntu-restricted-extras libtunepimp5-mp3 sun-java6-bin sun-java6-jre unrar  here
[11:50] <alexander_> sorry plasma or kde crashed, thats why i am here wie alexander_not wit Xand3r, Riddell i dont got the answere, i dont got anything in the last minutes
[11:50] <Riddell> [11:41] <Riddell> Xand3r: the version number needs to use ~ for the beta so 0.10.0~beta1-0ubuntu1 and the tar is digikam-kde4_0.10.0~beta1.orig.tar.gz
[11:51] <alexander_> Riddell: ah ok
[11:51] <Wubbbi> Riddell: Really? oO lol. but why not here?
[11:51] <alexander_> Riddell: makes sense
[11:51] <Riddell> Wubbbi: what's the gnome package it installs for you?
[11:52] <Wubbbi> Riddell: wait a second :)
[11:53]  * apachelogger spends some love on kdeaccessibility
[11:53] <alexander_> so i have to upload the hole thing, ok this will take a hour or so, c ya
[11:54] <Riddell> alexander_: don't then
[11:54] <Riddell> alexander_: I can change that easily enough, no point you wasting an hour
[11:54] <alexander_> R#
[11:54] <alexander_> Riddell: thx
[11:55] <Wubbbi> Riddell: I Have found the bug. Because of "Kubuntu Restriced Extras" you are installing Flashplugin-nonfree and Flashplugin-nonfree want to you install: Firefox3 and Xulrunner.
[11:55] <alexander_> apachelogger: how it could be that there arepackeges missing on the LP list
[11:55] <Wubbbi> ok thats Firefox. But why he wanted to install gnome ... i dont know jet let me search ^^
[11:56] <apachelogger> alexander_: black magic
[11:56] <alexander_> apachelogger: no, whats the real cause
[11:56] <Wubbbi> omg xD * want you to install xD
[11:57] <apachelogger> alexander_: dude, read your question
[11:57] <apachelogger> how am I supposed to answer that?
[11:57] <alexander_> apachelogger: oh, i mean packages wich i assingend before
[11:57] <Riddell> Wubbbi: what are you using to install?
[11:57] <Riddell> apt?
[11:57] <Riddell> apt-get?
[11:57] <apachelogger> alexander_: you mean a bug report?
[11:58] <Wubbbi> Riddell: no ... Adept. Bug Apept crashs all the time so i have used synaptic ;)
[11:59] <Riddell> alexander_:
[11:59] <Riddell> dh_install -pdigikam-kde4 --sourcedir=debian/tmp
[11:59] <Riddell> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/include/kde': No such file or directory
[11:59] <alexander_> apachelogger: https://launchpad.net/~kopf-alexander/+packages
[12:00] <alexander_> Riddell: oh sorry, to much copied from the old digikam
[12:02] <alexander_> Riddell: i see i have to work on it, i rebuild it, than i fix the problem, making the update on revu and everything is fine
[12:04] <apachelogger> alexander_: which ones did disappear?
[12:06] <Riddell> alexander_: thanks
[12:06] <alexander_> Riddell: thank you for helping
[12:07] <alexander_> apachelogger: qutim kiconedit skanlite
[12:07] <apachelogger>  hm
[12:08] <apachelogger> Xand3r: I doubt qutim was ever there
[12:08] <apachelogger> because I did the upload
[12:08] <Xand3r> ok than the other two
[12:08] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skanlite
[12:08] <Xand3r> i know there were on the list
[12:08] <apachelogger> Xand3r: why do you care at all?
[12:09] <Riddell> karma for becoming MOTU?
[12:09] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i am afraid, you can see what i have done on this list, and now there are not all
[12:10] <Xand3r> Riddell: something like this
[12:10] <apachelogger> well
[12:10] <apachelogger> I told you
[12:10] <apachelogger> document the stuff in teh wiki
[12:10] <apachelogger> *the
[12:10] <Xand3r> there are in the wiki
[12:10] <apachelogger> then screw launchpad :P
[12:10]  * apachelogger is trying to get ktts to work
[12:11] <Xand3r> why the old version is niot still assingd to me?
[12:12] <apachelogger> Xand3r: because JontheEchidna uploaded a new version
[12:13] <Xand3r> apachelogger: but i have done the old, nevermind, i have better things to do
[12:14] <apachelogger> omg
[12:14] <apachelogger> the kmouth wizard is the worst wizard I have ever seen
[12:30] <nixternal> mornin'
[12:32] <Wubbbi> Hello :) I have get a crash when i wanted to start a plasma widget. http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/328 ... maybe you can fix that ;)
[12:32] <Wubbbi> or is that a KDE bug?
[12:34] <Wubbbi> On KDE 4.1
[12:34] <Wubbbi> RC1
[12:34] <Riddell> Wubbbi: I expect it's a KDE issue
[12:35] <Wubbbi> ok ^^ i will report it on kde
[12:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: I tested packagekit as you requested...
[12:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: there seem to be a permissions issue by default
[12:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: is there a way to set the permissions easilly ?
[12:36] <Tonio_> I cannot install or update packages in fact
[12:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: you need to install policykit-gnome
[12:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: waiting for kde to have a frontend to it ;) right
[12:37] <Riddell> there is one,  but I couldn't get it to work
[12:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: interesting....
[12:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: also what is the status of kdeprint ?
[12:37] <Riddell> dead, we need to port system-config-printer
[12:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: cause the system-config-printer thing is cool, but doesn't help when installing a network printer for example
[12:37] <Riddell> or finish porting it rather
[12:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: unless I'm wrong :)
[12:38] <Riddell> the complete one would
[12:38] <Tonio_> ok
[12:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kdeaccessibility_4.0.98-0ubuntu1_to_1ubuntu1.debdiff merged with debian
[12:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: with packagekit, installing removing packages seems to work...
[12:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: not the update thing
[12:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: right, that's what I see
[12:43] <Tonio_> ok
[12:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: fyi, I started to clean up kubuntu-default-settings...
[12:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: It'll take a bit of time, as i need to check for evey setting if it is still available or not in kde4....
[12:44] <Wubbbi> Do anyone know how to make the Plasma Kicker Transparent? OO It wont work -.- ... i have aktivated the effects ;)
[12:45] <apachelogger> Tonio_: I already did some work on the rc files IIRC
[12:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: great
[12:45] <Riddell> I'd like to request
[12:46] <Riddell> [TipOfDay] RunOnStart=false
[12:46] <Riddell> for kontact
[12:46] <apachelogger> I am pretty sure I did that one :P
[12:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: true that
[12:47] <Riddell> I wonder if we should show HTML e-mail by default too
[12:47] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/27989/
[12:47] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yeah, I've seen your changes :)
[12:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'd ay no for that one....
[12:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: win!
[12:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: but that can be discussed
[12:48] <apachelogger> you only get ads in html anyway
[12:48] <Tonio_> or let's show html mails, but certainly not images
[12:48] <Riddell> not remote images certainly
[12:49] <Tonio_> concerning dolphin I would probably add the filter bar by default
[12:49] <JontheEchidna> Good morning
[12:49] <Tonio_> we had that in konq, people are used to it
[12:49] <apachelogger> hm
[12:50] <apachelogger> the filter bar has a pretty in-your-face-close-button
[12:50] <Tonio_> is that really a problem ?
[12:50] <apachelogger> not a problem, but a quirk
[12:50] <Tonio_> ho and also, I would remove that "zoom out" plasma thing
[12:50] <apachelogger> looks quite weird IMO
[12:50] <Tonio_> that'll confuse people a LOT
[12:51] <apachelogger> Tonio_: we did for 4.0 already
[12:51] <Tonio_> apachelogger: we should do that for the final release imho
[12:51] <apachelogger> well
[12:51] <apachelogger> if aaron doesn't manage to make it work properly
[12:51] <apachelogger> I have no problem with that
[12:51] <JontheEchidna> It does work
[12:51] <Tonio_> apachelogger: well atm I don't see the need of it
[12:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: no
[12:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: add an activity
[12:52] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: how do you delete an activity ?
[12:52] <apachelogger> where is the other one?
[12:52] <apachelogger> how do I get back to it?
[12:52] <apachelogger> how do I delete it?
[12:52] <Tonio_> also the activity should have a default
[12:52] <Tonio_> when you create it you end up with a black screen....
[12:52] <Tonio_> people will never figure out how that works
[12:53] <apachelogger> Oo
[12:53]  * apachelogger actually got a wallpaper
[12:53] <apachelogger> IIRC
[12:53]  * JontheEchidna did too
[12:53] <Tonio_> I got a black screen :)
[12:53]  * apachelogger senses b0rkage
[12:53] <Tonio_> the concept is interesting since you can switch your desktop entirelly depending what you are doing, but the usability is currently a nightmare
[12:53] <Tonio_> apachelogger: that was on intrepid beta2
[12:53] <Tonio_> apachelogger: clean installation btw
[12:53] <JontheEchidna> for 4.2 they plan to map activities to virtual desktops
[12:54] <apachelogger> well
[12:54]  * Riddell can't find where the default wallpaper is set
[12:54] <Tonio_> apachelogger: also I read somewhere that dolphin would get tabs, is that implemented yet ? I couldn't see the option
[12:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: plasma-appletsrc
[12:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: JontheEchidna did some work on that
[12:54] <apachelogger> Tonio_: yes it did
[12:54] <Tonio_> I have to make gtk-qt-engine to compile too.... ftbfs since beta2
[12:54] <apachelogger> see file menu
[12:55] <apachelogger> Tonio_: you better rewrite it
[12:55] <apachelogger> it looks horrible with firefox anyway
[12:55] <Tonio_> apachelogger: same with gtk-kde4
[12:55] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: bug 249081
[12:55] <Tonio_> apachelogger: that's good, it'll make people use konqueror in the first place, once webkit works correctly :)
[12:55] <apachelogger> Tonio_: nope, gtk-kde4 is working pretty good compared to gtk-qt
[12:55] <JontheEchidna> What I have so far: http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/defaultIntrepid2.jpg
[12:55] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yeah, but needs a qt theme installed and so on
[12:56] <Tonio_> apachelogger: but true that it works a bit better....
[12:56] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I'll try to package and preconfgure it correctly, probably next week
[12:56] <apachelogger> ok
[12:56]  * apachelogger is falling asleep meanwhile
[12:56] <apachelogger> was watching batman until 4:30am
[12:56] <Tonio_> :)
[12:57] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: old wallpaper but otherwise nice
[12:57] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: is there a new default for 4.1?
[12:57] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: no cashew on the panel?
[12:57] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: Blue_Curl
[12:57] <Riddell> is the default wallpaper
[12:57] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: oh, that's just because I locked the panel for the screenshot
[12:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: not yet AFAIK
[12:58] <Riddell> new plasma chose it by default for me
[12:59] <apachelogger> hm
[12:59] <apachelogger> then something is broken here
[12:59] <Riddell> Blue_Curl
[12:59] <Riddell> libs/plasma/theme.cpp:#define DEFAULT_WALLPAPER_THEME "Blue_Curl"
[12:59] <Riddell> found it
[12:59] <JontheEchidna> heh
[13:00] <JontheEchidna> ok then I'll change that
[13:00] <Wubbbi> JontheEchidna: good guy ;) xD
[13:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: does that need source patching ????
[13:00] <Riddell> Tonio_: not sure, I expect there's a way to define it in the theme as well
[13:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think there might be a way....
[13:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: kdeaccessibility.diff looks good, shall I upload?
[13:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: ./plasma-appletsrc:wallpaper=
[13:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I suspect this in kds to work, no ?
[13:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: probably, I don't actually want to change the default wallpaper currently
[13:03] <Riddell> but I do need to make sure the right one is in kdebase-workspace and not kdebase-workspace-wallpapers
[13:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: true
[13:03]  * JontheEchidna switches users to test, hopes X doesn't die for this session
[13:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: well we'll probably end up with a kds wallpaper btw, no ?
[13:04] <Wubbbi> Riddell: why dont you want to change it yet?
[13:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'd like to keep the artwork as close to KDE's defaults as is sensible, so maybe a variation on what KDE has but not a complete change
[13:04] <Riddell> Wubbbi: because oxygen rocks and I think we should make good use of KDE's excellent artists :)
[13:04] <apachelogger> +1
[13:05] <mooper> ehm, I was able to delete my trash folder
[13:05] <Riddell> how recursive
[13:05] <Wubbbi> Riddell: But when you are changing the default wallpaper, the Desktop will not be ugly?!
[13:06] <Riddell> depends if we choose an ugly wallpaper..
[13:06] <Wubbbi> but Blue_Cure is not ugly ... ^^ i like it :D
[13:06] <mooper> I dont suppose anyone know how I might get it to come back?
[13:06] <JontheEchidna> One thing I don't like about the default plasma theme is the half-transparency of the panel background in compositing mode
[13:07] <JontheEchidna> it makes it look leaky
[13:07] <JontheEchidna> since only the bottom half is transparent
[13:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: I agree we shouldn't tweak too much.... but a kubuntu wallpaper is not a big deal...
[13:09] <Tonio_> mooper: does that work for you ? i can't empty the trash on my own...
[13:09] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: got a screenshot?  compositing has stopped working for me in RC 1 :(
[13:10] <mooper> Tonio_: er? sorry? does what work?
[13:10] <Tonio_> mooper: nope, the trash plasmod cannot empty the trash here
[13:10] <Tonio_> plasmoid
[13:11] <Wubbbi> one question ... why does Kubuntu IntrepidIbex use the Knetworkmanager from Kde 3.5.9? Oo Or is there no one for KDE 4.1?
[13:11] <Wubbbi> I hate it to use Kde 3 and kde 4 programs at once xD
[13:12] <Tonio_> no frontend exists atm
[13:12] <Riddell> the KDE 4 one doesn't work yet Wubbbi
[13:12] <mooper> Tonio_: plasmoid?
[13:12] <mooper> er
[13:12] <Wubbbi> but will it work till Kubuntu 8.10 will ne releast?
[13:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: it exists (playground/base/plasma) but unfinnished
[13:12] <Wubbbi> ne = be
[13:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah I know :)
[13:12] <apachelogger> Wubbbi: we don't know
[13:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: well imho as long as it is unfinished, it doesn't exist from the user's perspective :)
[13:13] <Wubbbi> :/ let me pray ... and what is about Kmix? nocht frontend atm? oO very bad xD
[13:13]  * Riddell promotes Tonio_ from user to developer :)
[13:13] <Tonio_> hehe :)
[13:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you now own another team.
[13:14] <JontheEchidna> Kmix has a frontend
[13:15] <JontheEchidna> Kmix is installed by default afaik
[13:15] <Wubbbi> ohh ... right i see ^^ sorry
[13:15] <JontheEchidna> It just doesn't run by default
[13:15] <Riddell> does for me
[13:15] <mooper> guys, I was able to delete the trash icon from dolphin. I think thats a little shabby
[13:15] <Tonio_> works for me too
[13:15] <JontheEchidna> it didn't in hardy until I started it one session
[13:15]  * JontheEchidna shrugs
[13:16] <mooper> Its still there is konqueror
[13:16] <Tonio_> Wubbbi: in any case we'll have to wait for 4.2 and intrepid+1 for a complete kde4 desktop
[13:16] <mooper> is there a symlink or something
[13:16] <mooper> ?
[13:16] <Tonio_> Wubbbi: 4.1 will not be a complete one
[13:16] <Wubbbi> Tonio_: why Intrepid+1 oO will there be a second point releas?
[13:17] <JontheEchidna> the upstream apps just won't all be ready by intrepid
[13:17] <Wubbbi> ähhhh ... ok i understand ... my fault xD
[13:17] <JontheEchidna> so we'll have to fill in the cracks with kde3 ones
[13:17] <Tonio_> Wubbbi: no kubuntu 9.04 :)
[13:17] <Wubbbi> Tonio_: My brain is still sleeping
[13:17] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: true that
[13:17] <Wubbbi> xD
[13:18] <JontheEchidna> But overall I think Intrepid should be much nicer than Hardy.
[13:19] <Wubbbi> i hope so ^^
[13:19] <JontheEchidna> Well it has KDE 4.1 by default instead of 4.0 so it has to be nicer. ;)
[13:20] <Wubbbi> yes
[13:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: also, any idea if raptor will be there for 4.1 ?
[13:20] <Riddell> nope
[13:20] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: It won't
[13:20] <Wubbbi> kdebase-workspace 4:4.0.98-0ubuntu4 ...  very good update ;)
[13:20] <Tonio_> okay, 4.2 then...
[13:21]  * JontheEchidna doesn't know
[13:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: also, since we have dolphin by default, should we still install the filemanager profile for konqueror ?
[13:21] <Tonio_> people that really want konqueror by default can create their own one no ?
[13:22] <Wubbbi> was it possible to make this kickoff menu the default in kubuntu 8.10? its much nicer and better :/ http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Idea+For+Kickoff+Menu+V3?content=84747
[13:22] <Wubbbi> Tonio_: i agree with you. Konqueror should be just the brower now ;)
[13:23] <JontheEchidna> Wubbbi: that's just a mockup. that menu doesn't exist atm
[13:23] <Wubbbi> ohhh ... ok sorry ^^
[13:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: also, the launcher has 2 konqueror entries, that confused me a bit recently, that's why I wouldn't install the profile and desktop file associated to it by default....
[13:23] <JontheEchidna> plus it looks like lancelot will do pretty much what that does in 4.2
[13:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can fix that if you agree
[13:24] <Wubbbi> Tonio_: i would like it ;)
[13:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok with me
[13:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: also I saw no kubuntu-debian-differences file in the packages, aren't you willing to sync sometimes ?
[13:24] <Tonio_> cause we've touched .install files and so on...
[13:25] <Tonio_> well at least I did :)
[13:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: feel free to add one, we certainly sync at least once a cycle
[13:26] <Tonio_> ok
[13:27] <Wubbbi> Tonio_: but dont creat new bugs ;)
[13:28] <Tonio_> Wubbbi: I'll try not to :)
[13:28] <Riddell> k-d-s question, konqueror to restore on startup or not? (or keep asking in an annoying way)
[13:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, people might want that in fact... I personnaly like it
[13:29] <Tonio_> but can be disabled.... I don't mind
[13:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: want which?
[13:29] <Wubbbi> Bug fund: Im not able to install kde-l10n-de ... Error: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-l10n-de_4%3a4.0.83-0ubuntu1_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/locale/de/entry.desktop', which is also in package kde-i18n-de
[13:29] <Tonio_> to restore
[13:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'm happy to have that as the default, it's the asking every time that annoys me
[13:29] <Wubbbi> the version is old ... can you upload a new one?
[13:30]  * JontheEchidna had given a 4.0.98 package for that to apachelogger
[13:31]  * Wubbbi is begging to apachelogger to upload it please ;)
[13:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: we can set it to always restore....
[13:31] <Riddell> Wubbbi: hmm, I need to look at how those packages are done and how they work with launchpad
[13:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I appreciate to have the choice in fact
[13:31] <Tonio_> "s/restore/restore the tabs"
[13:31] <Tonio_> but can be annoying I agree
[13:31] <Wubbbi> Riddell: ok ... ;)
[13:33] <Hobbsee> did someone manage to rpely to the message on the kubuntu-devel ML that i forwarded?
[13:34] <JontheEchidna> kdeplasma-addons is done
[13:34] <JontheEchidna> kdeutils-kde4 kdeadmin-kde4 kdeartwork-kde4 kdewebdev-kde4 kdesdk-kde4 are still beta2
[13:35] <Riddell> Hobbsee: replying
[13:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: cool, thanks
[13:39] <Wubbbi> Riddell: may you know, when the language will be updated?
[13:40] <Riddell> Wubbbi: I'll try and look at it today or tomorrow
[13:40] <Riddell> Wubbbi: you're on intrepid?
[13:41] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: on hardy or intrepid ?
[13:41] <Wubbbi> Riddell: yes I'am
[13:41] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: on hardy
[13:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: not sure if https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249440 is a result of your change today
[13:43] <Wubbbi> Tonio_: Great ... thx for updating :)
[13:48] <Wubbbi> Bug found: ... Updating IntrepidIbex: http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/329 Kdesudo has still bugs ;)
[13:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/28002/ kdesudo breakage
[13:49] <Riddell> ah, Wubbbi found it too :)
[13:50] <Wubbbi> ^^
[13:50] <Wubbbi> yes :P
[13:51] <Wubbbi> Riddell: what i have to do now? the installation stopped full xD
[13:51] <Wubbbi> and the otherthings wont upgrade
[13:51] <Wubbbi> xD
[13:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is a preinst dpkg-divert rule that should avoid that.....
[13:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, lemme look..... damn, I should be tired to do so many errors....
[13:53] <Wubbbi> Tonio_: please fix it soon xD
[13:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah........ right, the divert rule needs package name changing from kdesud-kde4 to kdesudo..... stupid transition...
[13:59] <Tonio_> shame on me.........
[14:13] <Wubbbi> Tonio_: when will a bugfix will be releaed?
[14:13] <Wubbbi> -will -.-
[14:13] <Tonio_> Wubbbi: uploaded
[14:13] <Wubbbi> thx ;)
[14:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: in fact the preinst script wasn't dealing with the "upgrade" case, as this was never required...
[14:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: now dealing with install|upgrade|dist-upgrade
[14:35] <jjesse> morning
[14:38] <seele> is adept for kde4 going to be the new version or just a kde3 port?
[14:38] <Riddell> adept for kde 4 is the new adept 3 version
[14:39] <Riddell> whether it'll be finnished in time or not is unknown
[14:39] <Riddell> possibly we may use kpackagekit (or possibly not)
[14:40]  * seele is looking through the TODO
[14:41] <seele> no one is working on printing yet either?
[14:41] <Wubbbi> jjesse: mornig? xD here is 15:41 pm xD
[14:44] <Riddell> seele: etrache (forget his exact nick) was, but I havn't seen him here for a while
[14:47] <Wubbbi> Would it be possible to add a patch, that when I Lock the Plasma Widgets on the Panel, still can add someone at the desktop or so? that would be very helpfull :)
[14:47] <Riddell> Wubbbi: upstream issue
[14:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: was duplicate of the bug fixed today
[14:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: groovy
[14:49] <apachelogger> hm
[14:49] <apachelogger> Wubbbi: you will have to bug Riddell about the language pack uploads
[14:49]  * apachelogger isn't a core dev
[14:50] <apachelogger> the upgrade issue is more interessting though
[14:50]  * apachelogger diggs in
[14:50] <Riddell> upgrade issue?
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> ooh, 4.2 already has desktop cube <3
[14:51] <Wubbbi> apachelogger: what? what is to bug about? xD
[14:52] <apachelogger> Wubbbi: [14:31:24] -*- Wubbbi is begging to apachelogger to upload it please ;)
[14:52] <Wubbbi> ^^
[14:52] <Wubbbi> ok xD
[14:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: from kde-i18n to kde-l10n
[14:52] <apachelogger> I am enhancing the l10n update script to add replaces/conflicts
[14:52]  * Wubbbi is begging Riddell to upload the new Language placks please
[14:53] <Wubbbi> ^^
[14:54]  * apachelogger suggest Riddell to wait and upload the l10n packages with conflicts/replaces addition later on ;-)
[14:55]  * Wubbbi hopes that apachelogger will hurry up :)
[14:55] <Wubbbi> *hope
[14:57] <Wubbbi> "Empty Trash" in the Panel Widget wont work :(
[15:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/updatel10n.rb instructions are included
[15:10] <apachelogger> adds Replaces/Conflicts: kde-i18n-{languagecode}
[15:11]  * apachelogger asks vorian to write better bug reports than bug 249034 :P
[15:11] <apachelogger> vorian: when does that crash happen?
[15:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 249156 might well be related to some binary incompability in the version hell of the kde4 ppa
[15:13] <JontheEchidna> JontheEchidna: I remember that it happened with avi files on a fully updated beta2
[15:13] <JontheEchidna> gah, talking to myself
[15:13] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: ^
[15:13] <Wubbbi> lol xD talk to your self xD
[15:13] <JontheEchidna> But I think it was fixed in RC1
[15:14] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I think it was a bug in the preview engine
[15:14] <apachelogger> yes
[15:14] <apachelogger> maybe that thing is not built for the ppa yet?
[15:14] <JontheEchidna> maybe
[15:14]  * apachelogger doesn't even know where it is hiding
[15:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: could you make it so kde-l10n-xx depends on language-pack-kde-xx ?
[15:15] <apachelogger> sure
[15:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: you make kde-l10n-xx conflict on kde-i18n-xx ?
[15:16] <apachelogger> yes
[15:16] <apachelogger> [14:29:24] <Wubbbi> Bug fund: Im not able to install kde-l10n-de ... Error: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-l10n-de_4%3a4.0.83-0ubuntu1_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/locale/de/entry.desktop', which is also in package kde-i18n-de
[15:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm, that seems wrong, people will be likely to want both installed
[15:17] <seaLne> Riddell: will installing "kde4" from rc1 get me what i'm likely to want for lrl?
[15:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, they can't :S
[15:17] <Riddell> kde-i18n-xx is only useful now for kdevelop and kdewebdev
[15:17] <Riddell> seaLne: hardy or intrepid?
[15:17] <seaLne> hardy
[15:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: I think kde-i18n-xx needs cut down to what's useful
[15:18] <apachelogger> that sounds like a new script ;-)
[15:18] <Riddell> seaLne: yes, but I'd recommend kubuntu-desktop-kde4 as well
[15:19] <seaLne> got that
[15:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: also your script doesn't run make -f debian/rules get-desktop
[15:20]  * JontheEchidna goes to exercise teh dog
[15:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: now it does ;-)
[15:22]  * Riddell runs it
[15:22] <apachelogger> hm
[15:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: no
[15:22] <apachelogger> looks broken
[15:23] <Riddell> dpkg-source: error: syntax error in kde-l10n-da-4.0.98/debian/control at line 17: block lacks a package field
[15:23] <apachelogger> *testrunning the fix*
[15:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: works now
[15:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: one more change
[15:24] <Riddell> in debian/rules s/l10n-kde4/kde4/
[15:24] <Riddell> no
[15:24] <Riddell> in debian/rules s/l10n-kde4/l10n/
[15:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: done
[15:31] <Riddell> that seems to be working
[15:33] <Wubbbi> really? Upload it and let me use it :D
[15:33] <apachelogger> lol
[15:49] <Riddell> updatel10n.rb:97:in `exe': private method `split' called for nil:NilClass (NoMethodError)
[15:49] <Riddell> dunno what that is
[16:03] <ryanakca> Could someone help me with a kubuntu patch in the kde-style-qtcurve merge? It doesn't seem to want to apply and I don't really know my way around with /usr/bin/patch options. I've just uploaded it to REVU. The errors can be found here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/28041/
[16:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: kdevelop is not part of kde-i18n-xx
[16:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: remove the directories which were left over from the broken runs
[16:04]  * apachelogger thinks that should be automated
[16:05] <Riddell> it's not?
[16:06] <apachelogger> nope
[16:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: I think that's because all the po files got eaten by rosetta when uploaded to main
[16:08] <Riddell> but now it's not in main any more
[16:09]  * apachelogger creates a blacklist
[16:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: yeah, the source packages do contain kdevelop
[16:12] <Riddell> I'd think it should be a whitelist of kdev and kdewebdev po files
[16:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: they might be different from language to language
[16:12] <Riddell> the files? no
[16:12] <apachelogger> while if we rm -rf everything that shouldn't be in the deb we can let a script update the packages
[16:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: when they are not translated?
[16:13] <apachelogger> or stuff
[16:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: the update script doesn't break on folders anymore
[16:14] <Riddell> ok
[16:14] <apachelogger> hmm
[16:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: actually the -i18n packages only include documentation
[16:15] <apachelogger> and resource files for ktuberling and others
[16:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: the source ones inclues .po files too
[16:15] <Riddell> they won't get eaten by rosetta when next uploaded since they'll be in universe
[16:16] <apachelogger> ok
[16:16]  * apachelogger builds a package
[16:16] <Riddell> I think the only files we care about are  kfilereplace.po  kimagemapeditor.po  klinkstatus.po  kommander.po  kxsldbg.po    quanta.po
[16:16] <Riddell> and  Makefile  Makefile.am  Makefile.in
[16:16] <Riddell> no
[16:16] <Riddell> and  kdevdesigner.po  kdevelop.po  kdevtipofday.po
[16:16] <Riddell> which become .mo when complied of course
[16:16] <Riddell> anything else can die
[16:16] <apachelogger> even docs?
[16:17] <Riddell> mm, I guess kdevelop and quanta docs could stay
[16:17] <apachelogger> ok
[16:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: well, that seems to have run successfully
[16:52] <apachelogger> hooray :D
[16:53] <Riddell> uploading
[17:20] <Riddell> time for me to wander off
[17:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: see you
[17:21]  * jtechidna looks for stuff to do
[17:23] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: new koffice2 to package?
[17:23] <Riddell> ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/koffice-1.9.95.9/src/
[17:23] <Riddell> ignore katelier
[17:24]  * JontheEchidna takes a look
[17:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/todo.html
[17:25] <apachelogger> uversion = IO.readlines("debian/changelog")[0].split("(")[1].split(")")[0].split(":")[1]
[17:25] <apachelogger> that is one hackish way to grab the ubuntu version ;-)
[17:26] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: kweather doesn't actually install a plasmoid, right?
[17:26] <apachelogger> I didn't see one
[17:26]  * JontheEchidna wonders what the package is for then...
[17:26] <apachelogger> +1
[17:26] <apachelogger> well
[17:27] <apachelogger> apparently the KDE 3 version was integrated into kontact
[17:27] <apachelogger> but I really didn't get that to work in alpha2
[17:27] <JontheEchidna> wow, koffice tarball is somewhat largeish
[17:27] <apachelogger> other than that it is just some kind of backend for grabbing weather data
[17:29] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I thought I filed a bug report on the dolphin kfind dependency a while back and it got fixed?
[17:29] <JontheEchidna> This was back in Hardy
[17:29] <apachelogger> yes
[17:29] <apachelogger> debian merge broke it again
[17:29] <JontheEchidna> ah
[17:29] <apachelogger> apparently I forgot to add it the kubuntu-debian-differences file
[17:29] <JontheEchidna> oops
[17:30] <JontheEchidna> So did you end up putting it as a recommend?
[17:30] <apachelogger> nope
[17:30] <apachelogger> dep
[17:30] <JontheEchidna> k
[17:31] <JontheEchidna> I think I'll find the old bug report and reopen it.
[17:32]  * apachelogger is running his all new script, which has the most stupid name ever ... change.rb -.-
[17:32] <JontheEchidna> and then fix it after I package koffice
[17:32] <apachelogger> sounds like a plan
[17:33] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/i18nchangeinstalls.rb
[17:34] <apachelogger> Nightrose: you know, I never haxx0red that much for amarok :P
[17:34] <Nightrose> ;-)
[17:39] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: what's up with the ~that.is.really stuff in the version?
[17:41] <ncfi1013_> how do i burn a dvd in k3b that is regular dvd not data dvd or video dvd
[17:42] <apachelogger> ncfi1013_: #kubuntu for support please
[17:43] <ncfi1013_> nobody's answering me in #kubuntu or xchat
[17:43] <apachelogger> ncfi1013_: try #kde then
[17:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I guess the version number for the merge was wrong
[17:45]  * JontheEchidna notices that the latest upload FTBFS'd
[17:45] <apachelogger> and instead of raising the epoch jr apaprently dirty hacked it ;-)
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/share/kde4/apps/kritaplugins/panorama.rc': No such file or directory
[17:46] <JontheEchidna> maybe it's not part of the package anymore?
[17:46] <apachelogger> probably
[17:46] <apachelogger> or path changed
[17:46] <JontheEchidna> is there some sort of tool that autogenerates the install files?
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> or did the original packager have to manually input all that in? o.o
[17:48]  * JontheEchidna should just fix dolphin while he's waiting for the tarballs to download
[17:50] <Wubbbi> ok ... i have restartet my laptop, and since any update ( dont know what update ) the KNetworkmanager ( Kde 3.5.9 ) cant find any Wireless Lan sation any more. But the driver works finde :/
[17:51] <Wubbbi> *fine
[17:52] <Wubbbi> any idea?
[17:52] <apachelogger> nope
[17:53] <apachelogger> Wubbbi: what version is network-manager-kde?
[17:53] <Wubbbi> -.- ... wait let me restart X
[17:53] <Wubbbi> 0.2.2
[17:53] <Wubbbi> on intrepid
[17:53] <Wubbbi> befor ... 1:30h its works perfect
[17:54] <Wubbbi> i mean 1:30h befor xD
[17:54] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yes
[17:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: though, actually you start off with one binary package
[17:55] <apachelogger> then take that file list and split it up into packages
[17:55]  * JontheEchidna feels for the original packager
[17:55] <apachelogger> for updates you only run make -f debian/rules list-missing and update as necessary
[17:55] <Wubbbi> i have restared x ... no change ... Now im connected with LAN and it works ... but the Networkmanager still show me " No connection found " and " Not connected "
[17:56] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: it's really just deciding how many package to build and which files should go into which package ;-)
[17:56] <apachelogger> Wubbbi: some with dbus and network manager might be broken
[17:56] <apachelogger> try starting knetworkmanager from a prompt
[17:56] <apachelogger> if the output says something about dbus access denied
[17:56] <apachelogger> you are pretty much boned ;-)
[17:58] <Wubbbi> how to start from a prompt?
[18:07] <yuriy> hmm wireless broken today. tried downgrading n-m and tried an older kernel
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: bug 212570
[18:11]  * JontheEchidna fixed while waiting for tarball to compress
[18:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you added kfind to the build-deps
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> d'oh
[18:14] <Wubbbi> could anyone update Ktorrent to the current version? : http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KTorrent?content=26353 .. thx :)
[18:14] <Wubbbi> * someone
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> Riddell left right?
[18:15]  * JontheEchidna looks back up and confirms
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> guess I'll have to poke him later
[18:15] <Wubbbi> Riddell has late the channel :(
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: fixed it
[18:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: changelog entry wrong :P
[18:20] <JontheEchidna> ooh, yeah. I need to say I added it to dolphin...
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: now it's really, really fixed ;P
[18:23] <Wubbbi> fixed is allways good :D
[18:26] <JontheEchidna> yup!
[18:28] <Wubbbi> bug 212575
[18:29]  * JontheEchidna reported that one
[18:29] <Wubbbi> ^^
[18:29] <JontheEchidna> ...along with most of the other ones for that package, \o/
[18:29] <Wubbbi> who fix that?
[18:29] <JontheEchidna> Nobody has yet
[18:29] <Wubbbi> :/
[18:31] <JontheEchidna> Hopefully gtk-qt-engine-kde4 gets some more work done on it...
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: thanks
[18:39] <Wubbbi> Firefox looks Awful on Kde 4.1 :/ that should be fixed ;)
[21:07] <vorian> afternoon
[21:09] <Arby> evening
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> good afternoon
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> (afternoon wins! :D)
[21:10] <vorian> haha
[21:10] <vorian> suddenly, I have no wifi
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> vorian: in Intrepid?
[21:10] <vorian> yep
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> 2 other people did too
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> yuriy and someone named wubbbi or something
[21:11] <yuriy> vorian: same here. lots of fun. after wasting an hour and a half, I just left my laptop sitting next to the router on a wire on the other side of the house and am SSHing into it
[21:11] <vorian> what card?
[21:11] <vorian> mine is an intel 39somethings or other
[21:12] <yuriy> same here
[21:12] <yuriy> iwl3945
[21:12] <vorian> ja, sounds about right
[21:12] <vorian> thinkpad?
[21:12] <yuriy> nope, Asus V6J
[21:14]  * JontheEchidna is packaging kdewebdev-kde4 for intrepid
[21:14] <vorian> coolio
[21:14] <JontheEchidna> should I file a "new upstream version" bug for this'n?
[21:16] <JontheEchidna> I guess I should
[21:17] <vorian> yeah
[21:22] <JontheEchidna> bug 249578 (also fixes bug 245028)
[21:23] <seele> who wrote knetworkmanager?
[21:24]  * JontheEchidna will have a lot to poke Riddell about once he gets back
[21:26] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: writing things down?
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: ?
[21:27] <yuriy> all the things to ask him
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> Ah
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> mostly just things to notify him about
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> I packaged koffice2 like he suggested
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> (new release)
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> and then I added kfind as a build dep to dolphin
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> and now I've packaged new upstream of kdewebdev-kde4
[21:29] <JontheEchidna> actually I could probably poke any coredev about that
[21:29] <JontheEchidna> s/that/those
[21:35] <JontheEchidna> oh, actually since some of these aren't going to main an motu could handle 'em...
[21:37] <JontheEchidna> Could an motu look at bug 249578 and bug 249533 ?
[21:51] <vorian> JontheEchidna: sure thingy
[22:01] <JontheEchidna> vorian: I noticed a mistake in kdewebdev, re-attaching the .dsc and diff.gz
[22:03] <vorian> JontheEchidna: hmmm
[22:03] <JontheEchidna> I had started to fix 4.0.83
[22:03] <JontheEchidna> then I realized kdewebdev hadn't been updated to 4.0.98
[22:03] <vorian> this should be in main, by replacing kdewebdev
[22:03] <JontheEchidna> vorian: I think Riddell said something about quanta not being ready or something
[22:03] <JontheEchidna> probably would be best to ask him though
[22:03] <vorian> ah, alrighty then
[22:06] <vorian> JontheEchidna: make sure when you attatch a debdiff, you mark the bug confirmed.  then subscribe the appropriate sponsors (u-m-s or u-u-s)
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> ok
[22:08] <vorian> :)
[22:09] <JontheEchidna> vorian: oh btw, did you ever get to take a look at the plasmoid-weather backport?
[22:11] <vorian> yes, looked good
[22:11] <vorian> you mean to ppa, right?
[22:12] <JontheEchidna> yeah, to the ppa
[22:13] <JontheEchidna> vorian: if it looks good, how would I go about getting somebody to upload it to the ppa?
[22:14] <vorian> you ask :)
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> vorian: could you upload it please? :)
[22:14] <vorian> sure thing :P
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[22:14] <vorian> no problemo
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> vorian: you've recently become an motu, do you have any tips for a prospective motu?
[22:15] <vorian> sure
[22:15] <vorian> what kind of tips would you like?
[22:16] <JontheEchidna> how to train at doing motu things?
[22:16] <vorian> since i'm afk a lot, I printed off documentation
[22:16] <vorian> well, you are off to a smashing start
[22:16] <vorian> you train by doing things you are doing now
[22:17]  * JontheEchidna thinks he needs to learn about doing manpages
[22:17] <vorian> :)
[22:17] <vorian> yes, That was a fun stop along the learning path for me
[22:18] <vorian> what documentation have you read thru?
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> vorian: mainly the packaging guide
[22:24] <vorian> JontheEchidna: which one?
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete
[22:25] <vorian> I learned the most from the Debian New Maintainers Guide
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> and the revu page
[22:25] <vorian> good good
[22:25] <vorian> those are good places to start
[22:25] <vorian> but, you have a good grasp on packaging
[22:26] <vorian> you might find tackling some of the bite-size bugs a great learning experience
[22:27]  * JontheEchidna discovers motu/todo wiki page
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> http://tinyurl.com/3cbrps <- bingo, bite-size bugs
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> urgh, I hate how launchpad can't hide the tags list anymore
[22:29] <vorian> lol
[22:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: webdev is already packaged for intrepid
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: has it not been uploaded yet or something?
[22:40] <apachelogger> apparently not
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: did you package it?
[22:41] <apachelogger> yes
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> Then I guess I should let you know that the build-dep that kdewebdev-dbg-kde4 has is incorrect
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> bug 245028
[22:42] <apachelogger> kdewebdev-dbg-kde4 has no build-dep for itself :P
[22:42] <JontheEchidna> oh, depends, not build depends
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> Anyway, just /s/kdelibs5-dbg/kde4libs-dbg
[22:43] <apachelogger> sounds very reasonable
[22:43] <apachelogger> I'll fix the package
[22:44] <apachelogger> I need to reboot
[22:44] <apachelogger> quite laggish my machine is today
[22:45] <apachelogger> oh cool
[22:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that bug is invalidos
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: wry?
[22:45] <apachelogger> una secunda
[22:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/4:4.0.98a-0ubuntu1
[22:46] <apachelogger> there ain't any kde4libs-dbg but very much of kdelibs5-dbg
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[22:46] <apachelogger> leading me to the conclusion that this report is not valid at all
[22:46]  * apachelogger notes that it is quite hot in his room :S
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> Well, I still can't install the file with hardy kde4 ppa
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> but then that's not official ubuntu
[22:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that needs to be fixed in the hardy ppa then
[22:47] <apachelogger> not in intrepid
[22:47] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: it needs backporting in the first place, I should get on it or something
[22:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: grab it from my magic directory
[22:47] <JontheEchidna> kk
[22:47] <apachelogger> then just do the normal backport fun
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: build deps, deps and suggests are also longer than 80 chars in the intrepid package's control file
[23:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: tell debian ;-)
[23:03] <vorian> yee haa
[23:04] <vorian> howdy apachelogger
[23:04] <vorian> you hate my bug report eh?
[23:04] <vorian> it segfaults whenever I log in
[23:04] <apachelogger> hm
[23:04] <apachelogger> vorian: update your kdeplasma-addons
[23:05] <vorian> i think i did yesterday
[23:05] <apachelogger> kill your appletsrc
[23:05] <vorian> alrighty
[23:19] <vorian> apachelogger: appletsrc is not running
[23:19] <apachelogger> oioi
[23:19] <apachelogger> vorian: I meant the configuration
[23:19] <apachelogger> plasma-appletsrc
[23:20] <astromme> Do we have Kubuntu packages for Amarok alpha 1? Are they for hardy or intrepid?
[23:20] <apachelogger> hardy
[23:20] <apachelogger> I didn't get round to upload the intrepid package yet
[23:20] <astromme> through the ppa?
[23:21] <apachelogger> yes
[23:21] <apachelogger> it's called amarok-kde4
[23:21] <astromme> great, thanks
[23:22]  * JontheEchidna is back
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: incoming!
[23:34] <apachelogger> Oo
[23:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you really don't wanna know what I read there
[23:35] <JontheEchidna> ?
[23:35] <apachelogger> Nightrose: hold me
[23:35]  * JontheEchidna trusts apachelogger
[23:35] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: anyway, your mailbox. That's what I meant
[23:35]  * Nightrose holds apachelogger 
[23:36] <apachelogger> thx
[23:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you testbuild it?
[23:37] <JontheEchidna> nope, forgot
[23:37]  * JontheEchidna tests
[23:38] <JontheEchidna> oh, but pbuilder is currently at intrepid...
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> Hey, I don't need pbuilder because I'm already in hardy!
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> dur
[23:41] <apachelogger> haha
[23:42]  * apachelogger hands JontheEchidna a cookie
[23:42] <JontheEchidna> plus now that I think about it I don't think I got hardy cdbs
[23:43]  * JontheEchidna testbuild
[23:43] <JontheEchidna> s