[00:01] Xand3r: aye, wait some minutes [00:03] apachelogger: i have i think cron has solved the problem [00:03] apachelogger: but it still uploads the source [00:03] Nightrose: again dead [00:03] Nightrose: no, ktts [00:04] phonon + skype != good idea [00:05] apachelogger: 2710k/12964k i think it will take a hour [00:25] Nightrose: ok for daniel jones on planet? === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna === skreechmiester is now known as Daskreech [01:09] what is dfsg? [01:11] !dfsg [01:11] Sorry, I don't know anything about dfsg [01:11] what! [01:11] Debian free software guidelines [01:11] * JontheEchidna wants to update ktorrent to newest upstream and sees dsfg in the version [01:11] JontheEchidna: yeah, it's in main [01:12] too [01:12] so you'd have to get a core-dev to upload? [01:12] bug 234514 [01:12] Launchpad bug 234514 in ktorrent-kde4 "New Upstream + package merge ktorrent 3.1" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/234514 [01:12] JontheEchidna: yep [01:13] hmm, somebody is already doin' it... [01:15] vorian: you said you'd look at plasma-wifi on the road. I hadn't even tried to backport that one. That's an old one that you shouldn't waste time with [01:15] WEll, I do have a backport of plasmoid-wifi on my pc [01:16] but that's an old version for hardy [01:16] alrighty [01:23] JontheEchidna: have a look at the debian/rules [01:23] actually [01:23] I think I have the package somewhere [01:23] apachelogger: debian/rules of? [01:23] JontheEchidna: ktorrent [01:24] * apachelogger didn't get round to throw a debdiff at jr [01:25] non-free stuff is stuff that depens on non-free libraries? [01:26] oh, or has nonfree content [01:27] JontheEchidna: both true [01:27] but eventually free stuff that links against non-free stuff is illegal anyways :P [01:28] at least for gpl [01:33] apachelogger: did you see the new plasmoid in ktorrent? [01:34] nope [01:34] maybe the version I packaged is already old again ;-) [01:35] oh, nevermind. That's trunk [01:36] well [01:36] I am off for now [01:36] nn [01:36] watching the original batman series :D [01:36] nini [01:36] ttyl [01:53] hola [02:58] By the way, it seems kdeadmin, kdeartwork, kdewebdev, and kdesdk 4.0.98 never got backported [03:03] nighty night guys [03:14] O.o [07:04] someone has mentioned that the kde 4.1 rc1 release of kubuntu 'has not caught up with the kde 4.1 branch'. is this true? when rc1 was compiled, which branch did it use?? [07:06] releases are supposed to be taken from tags/ not branches/. of course that means that rc1 (tagged as 4.0.98) will be behind branches/KDE/4.1 [07:07] thanks Jucato [08:06] morning all [09:39] Riddell: thanks for adding Daniel to the planet :) [09:39] (sorry was in bed already last night) [09:40] <- off to university [09:47] have fun Nightrose : [10:02] Tonio_: kdesudo package is empty [10:03] Riddell: hu ????? [10:03] Riddell: I have it installed here, and that works.... I build it locally.... lemme look [10:03] weird.... [10:04] http://paste.ubuntu.com/27960/ [10:06] Riddell: okay I'll fix that immediately [10:07] toot sweet! [10:07] :) [10:08] Riddell: :) I suspect a problem with the kde.mk since the packaging is really basic... [10:09] kdesudo-kde4 still contains its redirect [10:09] pointing to nowhere [10:10] hum, did I upload the good one ? ;) [10:15] I got kde4 trunk compiled where nepomuk file comments and ratings just work. In Kubuntu 4.1rc1 it doesn't here. [10:20] is that to be expected in the distro yet? [10:24] it ought to work, but I've not looked into it [10:25] hmm, it doesn't seem to save comments or ratings :( [10:25] right [10:25] I certainly have neponukserver running [10:26] I do as well [10:27] do you know which soprano backend you're using? [10:28] hmm, I don't have sopranod running, would have thought that was needed for nepomuk [10:29] sopranod 1.7 (using Soprano 2.0.98) <-- not running [10:32] just running sopranod doesn't make any difference afaikt [10:33] nepomukserver complans.. [/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub] "/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub(10537)" Error in thread 140036916856704 : "query: Graph pattern graph operation is not implemented yet. Ending query execution. (error)" (line: 1, column: -1) [10:36] http://paste.ubuntu.com/27964/ [10:36] so it loaded but to no avail [10:45] tictric: is sopranod running on the machine that you have it working on? [10:46] Riddell: after manually starting: yes [10:48] 19808 pts/0 S 0:00 sopranod [10:48] It just doesn't start on it's own [10:49] I wonder how it works without starting then [10:50] ?? [10:50] Hello :) I'm Using Kubuntu ( KDE 4.1 ) IntrepidIbex on my Test Computer to report most bugs as possible :). I have 3 Suggestion. But i dont know if they are Kubuntu- or KDE bugs. So let me give you some :D. 1. The small Icons of Application in the Plasma Kicker are designet wrong. Sometimes they are Pretty and somethimes they are white and usvisible. 2. I cant get an Transparent Kicker ( in the nightly of Kde 4.1 its works perfect ). Or [10:50] maybe its my fault i dont know. 3. The system ( i mean KDE 4.1 RC1 ) is much slower than in the nightly on HardyHeron. Maybe its because of the kernel or so on but i have used the same driver and the same configuration. So I can say that it is 40% slower. :) If you have any question about it pleas ask me :D [10:51] Riddell: I started it now by typing *sopranod* on commandline [10:51] In my selfcompiled trunk it sort of starts up on it's own when needed first in a session (las part guessed) [10:52] right [10:53] I've never dived into the details (yet) [10:53] hi Wubbbi [10:53] hi :) [10:53] 1) sounds like an upstream issue, maybe an X driver issue [10:54] 2) how do you make it transparent === hunger_t is now known as hunger [10:54] 3) is pretty hard to debug [10:55] Riddell: 2) in the nightly of KDE 4.1 ( Nightly Neon Project ) I just have had to enable the effects and it works. But noch on Kubuntu IntrepidIbex :( I dont know how to aktivate them. [10:56] Riddell: 1) OK thats may possible :) But i just wanted to report this ^^ [10:56] 3) Yes thats right. But why dont you use more vanilla? may than it was faster? Maybe its a fault of Debian patches? [11:13] humph, kwin compositing has broken lots in rc 1 it seems [11:17] hi [11:18] hi Xand3r [11:18] hi Riddell [11:19] i am working a long time on these packages, pease folks review it, that i can finished it, thanx a lot http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=mailody-kde4 ; http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=digikam-kde4 [11:22] ok, two minutes [11:31] Riddell: thx, your the best [11:33] Riddell: fixed kdesudo uploaded [11:33] Riddell: I also fixed the divert rules and the link [11:33] Riddell: sorry for the bad upload.... I was too quick [11:33] I have an other suggestion: When I'm Installing the package "Kubuntu Restricted extra" On IntrepidIbex: It will install some gnome files and firefox. Is thats normal? I gues that on Hardy it just install Media Codecs. :/ [11:34] Wubbbi: that shouldn't happen [11:35] Xand3r: mailody complains that akonadi isn't running, otherwise it's all good [11:35] oh and it started akonadi, so no problem [11:35] Riddell: so it it a bug ... JIPPPI ... I have found a bug :D [11:36] Riddell: so there is no problem? [11:36] Xand3r: seems to work here [11:36] although akonadi has a pointless systray icon, grr [11:36] Xand3r: I'll upload mailody [11:37] so someone should fix it :) I cant fix it because im not a programmer :/ ^^ [11:37] Riddell: thx, i post it in revu [11:38] Xand3r: I don't have my revu password I'm afraid so someone else will need to archive it [11:39] Riddell: you can restor it [11:39] Xand3r: I know but it's hassle tomorrow I'll be back at my normal computer where I'll have the password :) [11:39] Can someone tell me how to look at the source of the Package " Kubuntu Restricted Extra " ? May i can fix it :D [11:40] Riddell: and digikam loks also good? [11:40] *looks [11:41] Xand3r: looking now [11:41] Xand3r: the version number needs to use ~ for the beta so 0.10.0~beta1-0ubuntu1 and the tar is digikam-kde4_0.10.0~beta1.orig.tar.gz [11:42] otherwise the final will have a smaller version number which won't work [11:42] ah, you worked out the sourceforge watch? [11:48] Riddell: hmm i have watched at the source of the package " Kubuntu Restricted extra " and it seems to be ok. But why does the want to install gnome-libs and firefox? maybe a codec mistake? [11:48] morning [11:48] Riddell: mailody can be archived? [11:49] apachelogger: yes please [11:49] k [11:49] Tonio_: konq-plugins ready for upload apparently [11:49] apachelogger: already in NEW afaik ;) [11:49] arching that as well then [11:50] Wubbbi: only installs icedtea-gcjwebplugin kubuntu-restricted-extras libtunepimp5-mp3 sun-java6-bin sun-java6-jre unrar here [11:50] sorry plasma or kde crashed, thats why i am here wie alexander_not wit Xand3r, Riddell i dont got the answere, i dont got anything in the last minutes [11:50] [11:41] Xand3r: the version number needs to use ~ for the beta so 0.10.0~beta1-0ubuntu1 and the tar is digikam-kde4_0.10.0~beta1.orig.tar.gz [11:51] Riddell: ah ok [11:51] Riddell: Really? oO lol. but why not here? [11:51] Riddell: makes sense [11:51] Wubbbi: what's the gnome package it installs for you? [11:52] Riddell: wait a second :) [11:53] * apachelogger spends some love on kdeaccessibility [11:53] so i have to upload the hole thing, ok this will take a hour or so, c ya [11:54] alexander_: don't then [11:54] alexander_: I can change that easily enough, no point you wasting an hour [11:54] R# [11:54] Riddell: thx [11:55] Riddell: I Have found the bug. Because of "Kubuntu Restriced Extras" you are installing Flashplugin-nonfree and Flashplugin-nonfree want to you install: Firefox3 and Xulrunner. [11:55] apachelogger: how it could be that there arepackeges missing on the LP list [11:55] ok thats Firefox. But why he wanted to install gnome ... i dont know jet let me search ^^ [11:56] alexander_: black magic [11:56] apachelogger: no, whats the real cause [11:56] omg xD * want you to install xD [11:57] alexander_: dude, read your question [11:57] how am I supposed to answer that? [11:57] apachelogger: oh, i mean packages wich i assingend before [11:57] Wubbbi: what are you using to install? [11:57] apt? [11:57] apt-get? [11:57] alexander_: you mean a bug report? [11:58] Riddell: no ... Adept. Bug Apept crashs all the time so i have used synaptic ;) [11:59] alexander_: [11:59] dh_install -pdigikam-kde4 --sourcedir=debian/tmp [11:59] cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/include/kde': No such file or directory [11:59] apachelogger: https://launchpad.net/~kopf-alexander/+packages [12:00] Riddell: oh sorry, to much copied from the old digikam [12:02] Riddell: i see i have to work on it, i rebuild it, than i fix the problem, making the update on revu and everything is fine [12:04] alexander_: which ones did disappear? [12:06] alexander_: thanks [12:06] Riddell: thank you for helping [12:07] apachelogger: qutim kiconedit skanlite === alexander_ is now known as Xand3r [12:07] hm [12:08] Xand3r: I doubt qutim was ever there [12:08] because I did the upload [12:08] ok than the other two [12:08] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skanlite [12:08] i know there were on the list [12:08] Xand3r: why do you care at all? [12:09] karma for becoming MOTU? [12:09] apachelogger: i am afraid, you can see what i have done on this list, and now there are not all [12:10] Riddell: something like this [12:10] well [12:10] I told you [12:10] document the stuff in teh wiki [12:10] *the [12:10] there are in the wiki [12:10] then screw launchpad :P [12:10] * apachelogger is trying to get ktts to work [12:11] why the old version is niot still assingd to me? [12:12] Xand3r: because JontheEchidna uploaded a new version [12:13] apachelogger: but i have done the old, nevermind, i have better things to do [12:14] omg [12:14] the kmouth wizard is the worst wizard I have ever seen [12:30] mornin' [12:32] Hello :) I have get a crash when i wanted to start a plasma widget. http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/328 ... maybe you can fix that ;) [12:32] or is that a KDE bug? [12:34] On KDE 4.1 [12:34] RC1 [12:34] Wubbbi: I expect it's a KDE issue [12:35] ok ^^ i will report it on kde [12:36] Riddell: I tested packagekit as you requested... [12:36] Riddell: there seem to be a permissions issue by default [12:36] Riddell: is there a way to set the permissions easilly ? [12:36] I cannot install or update packages in fact [12:36] Tonio_: you need to install policykit-gnome [12:36] Riddell: waiting for kde to have a frontend to it ;) right [12:37] there is one, but I couldn't get it to work [12:37] Riddell: interesting.... [12:37] Riddell: also what is the status of kdeprint ? [12:37] dead, we need to port system-config-printer [12:37] Riddell: cause the system-config-printer thing is cool, but doesn't help when installing a network printer for example [12:37] or finish porting it rather [12:37] Riddell: unless I'm wrong :) [12:38] the complete one would [12:38] ok [12:42] Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kdeaccessibility_4.0.98-0ubuntu1_to_1ubuntu1.debdiff merged with debian [12:42] Riddell: with packagekit, installing removing packages seems to work... [12:42] Riddell: not the update thing [12:42] Tonio_: right, that's what I see [12:43] ok [12:43] Riddell: fyi, I started to clean up kubuntu-default-settings... [12:43] Riddell: It'll take a bit of time, as i need to check for evey setting if it is still available or not in kde4.... [12:44] Do anyone know how to make the Plasma Kicker Transparent? OO It wont work -.- ... i have aktivated the effects ;) [12:45] Tonio_: I already did some work on the rc files IIRC [12:45] Tonio_: great [12:45] I'd like to request [12:46] [TipOfDay] RunOnStart=false [12:46] for kontact [12:46] I am pretty sure I did that one :P [12:46] Riddell: true that [12:47] I wonder if we should show HTML e-mail by default too [12:47] http://paste.ubuntu.com/27989/ [12:47] apachelogger: yeah, I've seen your changes :) [12:47] Riddell: I'd ay no for that one.... [12:47] apachelogger: win! [12:47] Riddell: but that can be discussed [12:48] you only get ads in html anyway [12:48] or let's show html mails, but certainly not images [12:48] not remote images certainly [12:49] concerning dolphin I would probably add the filter bar by default [12:49] Good morning [12:49] we had that in konq, people are used to it [12:49] hm [12:50] the filter bar has a pretty in-your-face-close-button [12:50] is that really a problem ? [12:50] not a problem, but a quirk [12:50] ho and also, I would remove that "zoom out" plasma thing [12:50] looks quite weird IMO [12:50] that'll confuse people a LOT [12:51] Tonio_: we did for 4.0 already [12:51] apachelogger: we should do that for the final release imho [12:51] well [12:51] if aaron doesn't manage to make it work properly [12:51] I have no problem with that [12:51] It does work [12:51] apachelogger: well atm I don't see the need of it [12:51] JontheEchidna: no [12:52] JontheEchidna: add an activity [12:52] JontheEchidna: how do you delete an activity ? [12:52] where is the other one? [12:52] how do I get back to it? [12:52] how do I delete it? [12:52] also the activity should have a default [12:52] when you create it you end up with a black screen.... [12:52] people will never figure out how that works [12:53] Oo [12:53] * apachelogger actually got a wallpaper [12:53] IIRC [12:53] * JontheEchidna did too [12:53] I got a black screen :) [12:53] * apachelogger senses b0rkage [12:53] the concept is interesting since you can switch your desktop entirelly depending what you are doing, but the usability is currently a nightmare [12:53] apachelogger: that was on intrepid beta2 [12:53] apachelogger: clean installation btw [12:53] for 4.2 they plan to map activities to virtual desktops [12:54] well [12:54] * Riddell can't find where the default wallpaper is set [12:54] apachelogger: also I read somewhere that dolphin would get tabs, is that implemented yet ? I couldn't see the option [12:54] Riddell: plasma-appletsrc [12:54] Riddell: JontheEchidna did some work on that [12:54] Tonio_: yes it did [12:54] I have to make gtk-qt-engine to compile too.... ftbfs since beta2 [12:54] see file menu [12:55] Tonio_: you better rewrite it [12:55] it looks horrible with firefox anyway [12:55] apachelogger: same with gtk-kde4 [12:55] Riddell: bug 249081 [12:55] Launchpad bug 249081 in kubuntu-default-settings "Default plasma-appletsrc could stand some improvements/polish" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/249081 [12:55] apachelogger: that's good, it'll make people use konqueror in the first place, once webkit works correctly :) [12:55] Tonio_: nope, gtk-kde4 is working pretty good compared to gtk-qt [12:55] What I have so far: http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/defaultIntrepid2.jpg [12:55] apachelogger: yeah, but needs a qt theme installed and so on [12:56] apachelogger: but true that it works a bit better.... [12:56] apachelogger: I'll try to package and preconfgure it correctly, probably next week [12:56] ok [12:56] * apachelogger is falling asleep meanwhile [12:56] was watching batman until 4:30am [12:56] :) [12:57] JontheEchidna: old wallpaper but otherwise nice [12:57] Riddell: is there a new default for 4.1? [12:57] JontheEchidna: no cashew on the panel? [12:57] JontheEchidna: Blue_Curl [12:57] is the default wallpaper [12:57] Riddell: oh, that's just because I locked the panel for the screenshot [12:57] Riddell: not yet AFAIK [12:58] new plasma chose it by default for me [12:59] hm [12:59] then something is broken here [12:59] Blue_Curl [12:59] libs/plasma/theme.cpp:#define DEFAULT_WALLPAPER_THEME "Blue_Curl" [12:59] found it [12:59] heh [13:00] ok then I'll change that [13:00] JontheEchidna: good guy ;) xD [13:00] Riddell: does that need source patching ???? [13:00] Tonio_: not sure, I expect there's a way to define it in the theme as well [13:01] Riddell: I think there might be a way.... [13:01] apachelogger: kdeaccessibility.diff looks good, shall I upload? [13:02] Riddell: ./plasma-appletsrc:wallpaper= [13:02] Riddell: I suspect this in kds to work, no ? [13:02] Tonio_: probably, I don't actually want to change the default wallpaper currently [13:03] but I do need to make sure the right one is in kdebase-workspace and not kdebase-workspace-wallpapers [13:03] Riddell: true [13:03] * JontheEchidna switches users to test, hopes X doesn't die for this session [13:03] Riddell: well we'll probably end up with a kds wallpaper btw, no ? [13:04] Riddell: why dont you want to change it yet? [13:04] Tonio_: I'd like to keep the artwork as close to KDE's defaults as is sensible, so maybe a variation on what KDE has but not a complete change [13:04] Wubbbi: because oxygen rocks and I think we should make good use of KDE's excellent artists :) [13:04] +1 [13:05] ehm, I was able to delete my trash folder [13:05] how recursive [13:05] Riddell: But when you are changing the default wallpaper, the Desktop will not be ugly?! [13:06] depends if we choose an ugly wallpaper.. [13:06] but Blue_Cure is not ugly ... ^^ i like it :D [13:06] I dont suppose anyone know how I might get it to come back? [13:06] One thing I don't like about the default plasma theme is the half-transparency of the panel background in compositing mode [13:07] it makes it look leaky [13:07] since only the bottom half is transparent [13:08] Riddell: I agree we shouldn't tweak too much.... but a kubuntu wallpaper is not a big deal... [13:09] mooper: does that work for you ? i can't empty the trash on my own... [13:09] JontheEchidna: got a screenshot? compositing has stopped working for me in RC 1 :( [13:10] Tonio_: er? sorry? does what work? [13:10] mooper: nope, the trash plasmod cannot empty the trash here [13:10] plasmoid [13:11] one question ... why does Kubuntu IntrepidIbex use the Knetworkmanager from Kde 3.5.9? Oo Or is there no one for KDE 4.1? [13:11] I hate it to use Kde 3 and kde 4 programs at once xD [13:12] no frontend exists atm [13:12] the KDE 4 one doesn't work yet Wubbbi [13:12] Tonio_: plasmoid? [13:12] er [13:12] but will it work till Kubuntu 8.10 will ne releast? [13:12] Tonio_: it exists (playground/base/plasma) but unfinnished [13:12] ne = be [13:12] Riddell: yeah I know :) [13:12] Wubbbi: we don't know [13:13] Riddell: well imho as long as it is unfinished, it doesn't exist from the user's perspective :) [13:13] :/ let me pray ... and what is about Kmix? nocht frontend atm? oO very bad xD [13:13] * Riddell promotes Tonio_ from user to developer :) [13:13] hehe :) [13:14] Riddell: you now own another team. [13:14] Kmix has a frontend [13:15] Kmix is installed by default afaik [13:15] ohh ... right i see ^^ sorry [13:15] It just doesn't run by default [13:15] does for me [13:15] guys, I was able to delete the trash icon from dolphin. I think thats a little shabby [13:15] works for me too [13:15] it didn't in hardy until I started it one session [13:15] * JontheEchidna shrugs [13:16] Its still there is konqueror [13:16] Wubbbi: in any case we'll have to wait for 4.2 and intrepid+1 for a complete kde4 desktop [13:16] is there a symlink or something [13:16] ? [13:16] Wubbbi: 4.1 will not be a complete one [13:16] Tonio_: why Intrepid+1 oO will there be a second point releas? [13:17] the upstream apps just won't all be ready by intrepid [13:17] ähhhh ... ok i understand ... my fault xD [13:17] so we'll have to fill in the cracks with kde3 ones [13:17] Wubbbi: no kubuntu 9.04 :) [13:17] Tonio_: My brain is still sleeping [13:17] JontheEchidna: true that [13:17] xD [13:18] But overall I think Intrepid should be much nicer than Hardy. [13:19] i hope so ^^ [13:19] Well it has KDE 4.1 by default instead of 4.0 so it has to be nicer. ;) [13:20] yes [13:20] Riddell: also, any idea if raptor will be there for 4.1 ? [13:20] nope [13:20] Tonio_: It won't [13:20] kdebase-workspace 4:4.0.98-0ubuntu4 ... very good update ;) [13:20] okay, 4.2 then... [13:21] * JontheEchidna doesn't know [13:21] Riddell: also, since we have dolphin by default, should we still install the filemanager profile for konqueror ? [13:21] people that really want konqueror by default can create their own one no ? [13:22] was it possible to make this kickoff menu the default in kubuntu 8.10? its much nicer and better :/ http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Idea+For+Kickoff+Menu+V3?content=84747 [13:22] Tonio_: i agree with you. Konqueror should be just the brower now ;) [13:23] Wubbbi: that's just a mockup. that menu doesn't exist atm [13:23] ohhh ... ok sorry ^^ [13:23] Riddell: also, the launcher has 2 konqueror entries, that confused me a bit recently, that's why I wouldn't install the profile and desktop file associated to it by default.... [13:23] plus it looks like lancelot will do pretty much what that does in 4.2 [13:23] Riddell: I can fix that if you agree [13:24] Tonio_: i would like it ;) [13:24]