[00:08] <Saniok> hi to all
[00:09] <Saniok> how can I fix sudoers error?
[00:22] <nonewmsgs> why can
[00:23] <nonewmsgs> why can't i burn more than one cd at the same time?  i have multiple dvd burners and i would like to burn different images at the same time, but i can't seem to in windows or linux
[00:26] <andre__> hi @ all
[00:29] <White_Pelican> are there any programs out there that can extract the audio from a you-tube (flash video) and convert it into a music file?
[00:33] <Squall> español
[00:33] <Pici> !es | Squall
[00:36] <powertool08> !mp3
[00:38] <lucas_> hi there does anybody knows on hardy heron which package provides utf8 support for latex ?
[00:39] <White_Pelican> is anyone going to answer my question?
[00:43] <lucas_> which question ?
[00:44] <White_Pelican> are there any programs out there that can extract the audio from a you-tube (flash video) and convert it into a music file?
[00:46] <lucas_> hey I would do that in two steps
[00:46] <lucas_> first try to extract the video
[00:46] <White_Pelican> ehow?
[00:46] <lucas_> once you hae it use avidemux
[00:46] <White_Pelican> I already downoladed the video
[00:46] <lucas_> the extraction is made by some firefox plugins or so
[00:47] <lucas_> ha ok so you only need avidemux
[00:47] <White_Pelican> oh lord I can't type ;)
[00:47] <lucas_> it's a video editor
[00:47] <White_Pelican> ty
[00:47] <White_Pelican> but you can extract audio from the file in avidemux?
[00:47] <lucas_> with it you can easily extract the audio track
[00:47] <White_Pelican> I guess that was my question
[00:47] <White_Pelican> awesome
[00:48] <White_Pelican> thank you so much
[00:48] <lucas_> at least I remember doing it once, cheers
[00:48] <White_Pelican> :)
[00:48] <White_Pelican> I'll try that
[00:48] <lucas_> 100% sure it works
[00:49] <White_Pelican> now I just need to find a draw poker game for kde since kpoker is not being ported to the 4x branch
[00:51] <lucas_> I remember of pok3d
[00:51] <lucas_> or poker3d
[00:51] <lucas_> which was quite nice
[00:52] <White_Pelican> freeware for linux?
[00:52] <lucas_> yes it is
[00:52] <White_Pelican> called poker3d?
[00:52] <lucas_> you can play for free
[00:53] <lucas_> yes something like this
[00:53] <White_Pelican> online poker?
[00:53] <lucas_> http://www.pok3d.com/
[00:53] <lucas_> online poker
[00:53] <lucas_> but free
[00:53] <White_Pelican> oh never mind but thanks anyway
[00:53] <lucas_> you can play with fake money
[00:53] <lucas_> and real cash
[00:54] <White_Pelican> gtg
[00:54] <White_Pelican> thanks for the help
[00:55] <lucas_> by
[01:24] <Richie086> quick question - when i type startx from my terminal, gnome is the default gui, what file do i edit to make it so KDE runs instead of gnome when i start x?
[01:39] <pc_> Hello I was hoping someone can help me get an idea how I install "Vmware Server for linux" Binary (tar.gz)  and "Vmware Server Linux Client Package" ?  Which do I load first and what steps do I take basically? I am going to load it on Kubuntu 8.04 on a amd 64bit machine.. And eventually will use Win 98SE on the Virtual desktop. I appreciate any tips you can give.
[01:41] <histo> are the menus still all jacked up in gnome after installing kubuntu-desktop?
[01:41] <histo> Or have they fixed it now were they keep some of the apps seperate?
[01:44] <histo> !kde4
[01:48] <pc_> !vmware
[02:10] <Hamled> Hi, I just installed amarok on the standard gnome-based version of Ubuntu, and it required kdelibs. I'm getting an error about KDE not being able to access DBUS or HAL when trying to autodetect media players... Is there another package I can install to fix this, or is it only available when running on amarok in KDE?
[02:12] <fulat2k> hi folks, kubuntu sometimes doesn't display the device icons for usb devices plugged in.  is there any daemon i can restart to get the functionality back instead of doing a system restart?
[02:27] <javimansilla> hi there. Can I get some help for configuring a composite manager in kubuntu 7.10 ?
[02:29] <esko> Sorry.  Not up to speed on that.  Trying to figure out how to enable effects with via chrome9
[02:41] <kraplax> hi there
[02:41] <kraplax> is there anyone here who uses more than only english keyboard layout?
[02:43] <histo> Okay i'm a gnome user. I just install kubuntu-kde4-desktop meta package. Wanted to checkout kubuntu.  However i've noticed a lot of artwork etc.. is missing. Should I also install the kubuntu-desktop package?
[02:44] <ixenakis> Bonjour à tous :-)
[02:44] <kraplax> histo: i guess no - some artwork is still WIP
[02:44] <Jucato> histo: kubuntu-desktop would install KDE 3. for KDE 4 questions, please ask in #kubuntu-kde4
[02:44] <kraplax> histo: but that depends on what kind of missing parts do you encounter
[02:44] <histo> kraplax: gotcha
[02:45] <histo> Well how about removal?
[02:45] <kraplax> histo: what removal?
[02:46] <histo> I want to remove kubuntu-kde4-desktop and install kubuntu-desktop now
[02:47] <kraplax> hm.. i'm not sure. maybe just uninstall that first package and install the second one?
[02:47] <histo> let me try something brb have to switch to gnome
[02:51] <histo> alright yeah thats not working. Anyone have a clue how to remove this garbage?
[02:52] <kraplax> you mean GNOME?
[02:52] <kraplax> or KDE4?
[02:53] <histo> kde4
[02:53] <histo> I installed via apt-get the kubuntu-kde4-desktop meta package
[02:54] <kraplax> then lauch your adept and uninstall that package
[02:55] <kraplax> or try apt-get --help to see what command do you need to uninstall it
[03:00] <histo> No you don't understand its a meta package
[03:08] <crimsaq> Hi, I'm running kubuntu 8.04 and have a GeForce 6200oc pci, I am trying to use the s-video out on my card, but it doesnt seem to be working, any help would be excellent
[03:12] <dwidmann> crimsaq: you might have good luck with it if you use the nvidia-settings utilit
[03:13] <crimsaq> I actually just found it in there
[03:13] <crimsaq> thank you
[03:13] <crimsaq> but the tv display is b&w, any ideas why?
[03:14] <lampe> hello
[03:14] <dwidmann> No idea whatsoever
[03:15] <dwidmann> hi lampe
[03:19] <lampe> hi dwidmann
[03:22] <flaccid> crimsaq: wrong type. its probably on nts
[03:22] <flaccid> ntsc
[03:22] <crimsaq> kubuntu 8.04, "NVidia X Server Settings" app not saving settings after X restarts, any ideas?
[03:22] <crimsaq> everything goes back to defaults
[03:22] <flaccid> app not saving settings? what does that mean
[03:23] <lampe> it dont save the costume settings
[03:23] <crimsaq> when I change the settings in nvidia-settings, it doesnt keep them when i restart X
[03:23] <lampe> try to update?
[03:23] <crimsaq> I was thinking more along the lines of having to use sudo somehow?
[03:23] <flaccid> what settings are not kept exactly?
[03:24] <crimsaq> my screen resolutions, and enabling the s-video port
[03:24] <lampe> sry i got the intel x3100 no driver problems :)
[03:24] <lampe> do you know where the file is where this all i saved ?
[03:24] <lampe> try to edit the file maybe ?
[03:25] <crimsaq> xorg.conf?
[03:25] <lampe> sry but iam no linux pro
[03:25] <lampe> ^
[03:25] <dwidmann> crimsaq: you need to be root
[03:25] <crimsaq> I just ran sudo nvidia-settings
[03:26] <crimsaq> it seemed to take the changes, I'm gonna restart X and see
[03:26] <crimsaq> brb
[03:26] <dwidmann> hmm
[03:26] <flaccid> i belive thats because nvidia-settings is dynamic. it can save to ~/.nvidia-settings-rc and then that can be loaded manually again.
[03:27] <flaccid> im reading http://linux.die.net/man/1/nvidia-settings
[03:27] <dwidmann> flaccid: I think per default if you save the settings it saves them to the xorg.conf
[03:27] <flaccid> dwidmann: thats what http://linux.die.net/man/1/nvidia-xconfig is for :)
[03:28] <flaccid> well at least i think thats the case
[03:29] <crimsaq> ok, that worked. but I still have a black and white display on the tv, is there any way to change the output/input to pal or ntsc, whatever it needs to be?
[03:29] <dwidmann> flaccid: with regards to monitor-related settings, I'm pretty sure it saves those to xorg.conf, everything else no, but that yes.  Everything else is indeed user-specific
[03:29] <crimsaq> or is that tv side?
[03:29] <flaccid> dwidmann: im just iterating what the man pages say...
[03:29] <dwidmann> flaccid: and I'm playing with the app to see what it'll do :)
[03:30] <dwidmann> crimsaq: does nvidia-settings have any color depth options that you can play with?
[03:30] <crimsaq> yea
[03:30] <flaccid> well xorg.conf is not mentioned in man nvidia-settings ..
[03:30] <flaccid> crimsaq: http://linux.die.net/man/1/nvidia-xconfig
[03:31]  * flaccid googles the black and white thing
[03:38] <flaccid> does crimsun != crimsaq ?
[03:38] <flaccid> seems there is a couple of crims
[03:42] <kraplax> how do i install DjVu reader?
[03:44] <alaQ> kraplax: look up the pakage 'djview' in adept.  Should be able to do it for you.
[03:45] <kraplax> ok, thank you
[03:50] <rx> hi guys. ive install kubuntu 8.04 it seems to not take into account xorg.conf's Monitor/DisplaySize
[03:50] <rx> fonts are like huge
[03:50] <rx> realllly huge
[03:50] <flaccid> rx: pastebin xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:50] <rx> alright
[03:50] <rx> hold on
[03:51] <kcma1> i have a laptop from 2000 possibly 2001 bottom line is it was fitting to run xp you know how winderz is well i currently have ubuntu on it but i have no 3d rendering and the experts tell me that i never will the machine is far to old. is there a set of drivers for my system with kubuntu the laptop is a sony vaio model PCG-FXA53
[03:52] <flaccid> kcma1: what is your lspci | grep VGA ?
[03:53] <kcma1> flaccid one sec i had forgotten the command so thanks now i can give you that info
[03:54] <kcma1> flaccid 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x (rev 64)
[03:54] <flaccid> ah a rage card. yeah they could be right. lets see
[03:54] <flaccid> kcma1: are you running hardy?
[03:55] <rx> log: http://pastebin.com/m1840af35
[03:55] <kcma1> flaccid yes i am right now but i am willing to switch if it means 3d rendering
[03:56] <flaccid> kcma1: goto kdesudo jockey-kde . does hardware drivers manager offer you anything there?
[03:56] <rx> conf: http://pastebin.com/m24ffe2dc
[03:57] <rx> ive been using these DisplaySize values since forever
[03:57] <kcma1> flaccid do i go there in terminal?
[03:57] <kcma1> flaccid or is that a web page?
[03:57] <flaccid> kcma1: or just alt+f2 (run command)
[03:57] <kcma1> flaccid cool will do that now wait 1 plz
[03:58] <flaccid> i have to go to the bathroom. i'll be back in a few mins people
[03:58] <rx> ok ty
[03:58] <kcma1> flaccid do i put everything from the "goto" in the command cause both ways it does not work i just get an error?
[03:59] <Viper550> Okay, I'm running Kubuntu Gutsy KDE4, I need qmake
[03:59] <Viper550> nm, got it going
[04:00] <kcma1> flaccid terminal says without the "goto" that kdesudo is not installed and that i can install it with "kdesudo", any thoughts
[04:03] <alaQ> kcma1: are you currently in kubuntu or ubuntu?
[04:04] <kcma1> alaQ i am currently running ubuntu but i will switch if it means 3d rendering
[04:05] <alaQ> ok - kdesudo is a program for the kubuntu side.  what you'll want to use is (in the run dialog) gksu jockey-gtk
[04:06] <alaQ> kcma1: a lot of the tools in ubuntu are gtk-based.  Kubuntu builds similar tools, that are based in Qt, hence the difference.
[04:06] <genii> Um jockey-kde I believe
[04:06] <alaQ> genii: he's running ubuntu currently. :)
[04:06] <genii> nvm just caught it :)
[04:07] <kcma1> well the gksu brings up my hardware drivers list the ones that require support from other than ubuntu drivers and my video card is not on that list
[04:07] <alaQ> kcma1: all right.  one second.
[04:08] <kcma1> i went as far as downloading EnvyNG and selecting manual and auto detect and neither one of the ati options worked because my card is EOL for the vender so that is where i am right now guys
[04:08] <flaccid> kubuntu won't help in terms of the video driver etc. ubuntu and kubuntu are the same system, just a different desktop. they use the same drivers and repos etc.
[04:08] <flaccid> kcma1: there is lots on google
[04:08] <flaccid> rx: log?
[04:09] <kcma1> yeah of people who got it to work using extreme methods but i am still learning to navigate terminal
[04:11] <rx> log: http://pastebin.com/m1840af35
[04:11] <flaccid> kcma1: yeah looks like you have to compile mach64 driver
[04:11] <rx> conf: http://pastebin.com/m24ffe2dc
[04:12] <alaQ> kcma1: from what I can tell, the card that you have uses a DRI driver (direct rendering support) that isn't included in the standard set, so it needs to be built separately.  see http://tinyurl.com/6nhuxo
[04:13] <flaccid> how do i zoom in and out in konqueror with mouse/scroll?
[04:13] <alaQ> ctrl + scroll wheel
[04:14] <kcma1> alaQ so i have to build the driver on my own and then set the conf in the shell using crtl+alt+F2 am i close?
[04:14] <flaccid> rx: you are using vmware or something
[04:15] <flaccid> alaQ: does nothing
[04:15] <rx> yup
[04:15] <rx> vmware video driver
[04:15] <rx> like usual
[04:15] <rx> as* usual
[04:15] <alaQ> flaccid: hmm.. it's working over here.  are you 3.x or 4.x?
[04:15] <rx> there's no reason for it to not work
[04:16] <flaccid> i've never worked with that before rx. however there is (WW) VMWARE(0): Unable to estimate virtual size in log and DisplaySize     435 275 in xorg.conf ..
[04:16] <flaccid> there is always a reason, otherwise it would be working
[04:16] <flaccid> alaQ: both
[04:16] <rx> thats why i set it by hand
[04:16] <rx> heh
[04:17] <rx> i will fuck with it again tomorrow
[04:17] <alaQ> kcma1: more or less.  I'm looking around for docs on how to install it.
[04:17] <flaccid> !language | rx
[04:18] <rx> ok :|
[04:18] <kcma1> alaQ the one link that you sent me seems do able or i am just feeling like i can do what that file asks of me.
[04:19] <flaccid> kcma1: not sure what you mean there but yeah thats what you have to do..
[04:20] <kcma1> well someone here lol sent me this link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/34590 and the bottom of the page seems do able without having to enter in the shell commands i will just need some help with the conf part
[04:20] <kcma1> flaccid you know i mean without having to kill the windows
[04:20] <flaccid> i still don't understand sorry
[04:22] <flaccid> you mean using a package instead?
[04:23] <alaQ> kcma1: a little easier - check out http://www.bakarasse.de/mach64-howto.html
[04:23] <charlie5> hi guys ... does anyone know what UTS_RELEASE is about ? ... i'm trying to build sl-modem-source, and it fails since this symbol isn't defined
[04:25] <kcma1> alaQ so just copy and paste instructions into my terminal and then i should be good to go right?
[04:26] <alaQ> kcma1: I'd recommend using the packages instead.  less messy.
[04:26] <kcma1> alaQ well yeah i am all about that part, that was why i was choosing to switch os if i had to, i figure one of the coding gods here in linux would have figured out a way to make this easy for dummies like me
[04:26] <flaccid> !info xserver-xorg-video-mach64 intrepid | kcma1
[04:27] <alaQ> charlie5: look at http://tinyurl.com/5mq4cd - see if that will help you at all.
[04:27] <flaccid> kcma1: 1. no need to switch os 2. linux gods have made a package 3. you can just d/l it manuall and install with dpkg -i ./filename.deb
[04:27] <kcma1> flaccid is that a how to or a package?
[04:27] <charlie5> thanks alaQ !
[04:27] <flaccid> kcma1: tat is a package
[04:28] <kcma1> flaccid wow man
[04:28] <flaccid> kcma1: you can d/l it from here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/xserver-xorg-video-mach64
[04:28] <kcma1> flaccid i have too LMAO on the number 2 comment
[04:29] <flaccid> kcma1: yeah. i just hope that the xserver core requirement is ok in terms of versions (the dependency)
[04:29] <alaQ> flaccid: good call - I forgot release +1. :)
[04:29] <kcma1> flaccid now you see you lost me on that one
[04:29] <flaccid> yeah its not in hardy so i hope its easily installed
[04:30] <alaQ> kcma1: if that doesn't work, http://www.bakarasse.de/linux/ubuntu/hardy/ has a package that is built for 8.04.
[04:31] <flaccid> nice
[04:31] <kcma1> no offence flaccid i cant seem to find the package to dl on the link that you sent me
[04:32] <flaccid> kcma1: if you are running x86 click on the i386 link
[04:32] <kcma1> flaccid oic
[04:32] <flaccid> then select a mirror close to you
[04:32] <kcma1> flaccid so should i use yours or the one for 8.04
[04:33] <flaccid> kcma1: try this one first and let us know error if you get one. then can advise if you need to use the 3rd party one
[04:33] <kcma1> flaccid ok trying your link first
[04:35] <flaccid> i have to reboot brb
[04:36] <kcma1> flaccid ok got deb form link you sent me flaccid and then double clicked it and got error Dependency is not satisfiable: xserver-xorg-core
[04:36] <alaQ> kcma1: flaccid will be back -  he had to reboot.
[04:36] <alaQ> that package is not going to work with your install though.
[04:36] <kcma1> yeah i saw him say that and was hoping that you too could see the message
[04:37] <kcma1> that is what i thought
[04:37] <kcma1> so what now boss?
[04:37] <alaQ> kcma1: if you use the 8.04 one, make sure you match the kernel version:  do a 'uname -r' in a console window to check.
[04:37] <kcma1> alaQ roger
[04:40] <kcma1> alaQ well i matched with the uname -r command and it is installing right now
[04:41] <kcma1> alaQ rebooting i will brb
[04:41] <flaccid> alaQ: the intrepid pkg installed ok?
[04:42] <alaQ> had to use the hardy one.
[04:42] <flaccid> xorg core version was too old in dep ?
[04:42] <alaQ> yeah.
[04:42] <flaccid> i dislike how the version is cut off from dpkg -l
[04:43] <alaQ> apt-cache show. :)
[04:44] <alaQ> probably one of my favorite commands.
[04:45] <flaccid> ah nah i misread. 2:1.4.1 and dep being >= 2:1.4.99.905
[04:46] <kraplax> does anyone know how to setup the kb layout switching?
[04:46] <flaccid> kraplax: system settings | regional and language | keyboard layout
[04:46] <kraplax> that does't work :(
[04:47] <flaccid> !doesntwork | kraplax
[04:47] <kraplax> nor did it in Mandriva since 2007
[04:47] <spiel_mit_feuer> hey.. does anyone know anything about media streaming on linux?
[04:47] <kcman> alaQ i am rendering now thank you
[04:47] <flaccid> kraplax: submit a bug then
[04:47] <alaQ> kcman: good to hear. :)
[04:47] <flaccid> kcman: nice. sorry about the intrepid thing.. i misread the dep version
[04:47] <alaQ> kraplax: what layout are you trying to use?
[04:48] <kcman> nope prob flaccid you two made it farther in an hour than all the other helpers that help me for two days straight
[04:48] <kcman> you two rock
[04:48] <kraplax> ok, i set up everything as on Windows - Alt+Shift and flash ScrollLock light to signal me
[04:48] <kraplax> Russian
[04:48] <kraplax> the same settings in the xorg
[04:48] <kraplax> in /etc/xorg.conf
[04:48] <kraplax> it's Ubuntu 8.04
[04:49] <flaccid> hehe
[04:49] <flaccid> !enter | kraplax
[04:49] <kraplax> and it obnly works if i press the kb switcher in systray
[04:49] <flaccid> !bugs | kraplax
[04:49] <alaQ> if you use the systray switcher, it will work?
[04:49] <kraplax> ubottu: sorry, i forgot it
[04:51] <kraplax> ok, i did managed to resolve that problem at my home system, which is Mandriva. But i had to set it to CapsLock
[04:51] <kraplax> iirc there should be some entry in kdeglobals for setting kb layout switching, right\?
[04:53] <Ashex> At some point about a month ago, I'm prompted to enter my password to mount a removable drive
[04:53] <Ashex> Does anyone know how to disable this? has something to do with security policy
[04:53] <alaQ> kraplax: not sure.  I use a dvorak layout, but I'm still staying in english.  I used the system settings layout manager.
[04:53] <Ashex> but I can't find any documentation for it
[04:54] <kraplax> alaQ: hm.. and what do you have about it in kdeglobals? could you look for it for me?
[04:57] <alaQ> kraplax: sorry, kdeglobals only defines shortcuts for me.
[04:57] <kraplax> ok, found it
[04:57] <kraplax> it defines me Ctrl+Alt+K and it's default
[04:57] <kraplax> i need to logout ot try out the new setting
[05:07] <jeremiah> hello all
[05:07] <jeremiah> can u use konversation for yahoo messenger?
[05:08] <jeremiah> ?
[05:08] <cadoo> i think you're looking for kopete
[05:10] <genii> jeremiah: No.konversation is IRC protocol only.
[05:10] <genii> jeremiah: As cadoo said, kopete. Or else pidgin.
[05:18] <lampe> apt
[05:18] <CostaRicanQuaker> hey, what alternatives to open 0ffice are there for kubuntu?
[05:18] <genii> !info koffice
[05:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> is it better than open office?
[05:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok brb, i gotta switch to kde i'm xfce
[05:23] <CostaRicanQuaker> is koffice better than open office.org?
[05:24] <flaccid> probably not but each to their own..
[05:24] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i set my clock to am pm format, i dont see an option in clock configuration
[05:24] <CostaRicanQuaker> what is the most effiecient, least memory expenseive, more versatile, office suite for ubuntu systems?
[05:24] <alaQ> abiword and gnumeric.
[05:25] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker: right click clock - date and time format
[05:25] <genii> nano
[05:25] <genii> Actually emacs. However I despise it
[05:25] <CostaRicanQuaker> nano?
[05:25] <alaQ> no, emacs is a good os, it just needs a decent text editor. :)
[05:25] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok abiword and gnumeric are already there but how about...powepoint
[05:26] <flaccid> i like using joe as my text editor in cli
[05:26] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker: koffice or Ooo for presentations
[05:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> bascially i want to switch the people at the peace centre from windows xp to kubuntu
[05:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> so i have found ocmplaints about open office in the past and that its poerpoint is not as good
[05:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> !koffice
[05:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> !Ooo
[05:28] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker: well its fine. thats usually because they are used to m$ way and havnt used it before so may not know how to use it properly. alternatives are not meant to be the same
[05:28] <alaQ> !texpower
[05:28] <CostaRicanQuaker> i know that bt i want it to be smooth for them
[05:28] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker: stop expecting it to be. instead spend time educating/training them on the new software
[05:28] <CostaRicanQuaker> flaccid: it didnt change the time, does the configuration change become active after reboot?
[05:29] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker: yeah i think you have to log out and back in
[05:29] <CostaRicanQuaker> yes, i want to write a guide file, that will be simple enough as in, for text doc files, use writer, for pde etc and set it on the desktop
[05:29] <puskom__> sst
[05:29] <puskom__> ippppp
[05:29] <puskom__> v    lugggui
[05:29] <puskom__> vguhuo
[05:29] <puskom__> ioiu9yln
[05:29] <puskom__> k;jnpijuhniipioopp
[05:29] <puskom__> jnijo
[05:29] <genii> puskom__: Please stop
[05:30] <puskom__> ok
[05:30]  * CostaRicanQuaker downloads koffice
[05:30] <genii> puskom__: Thank you
[05:31] <CostaRicanQuaker> i did download emacs but i stillhavent figured it out
[05:31] <CostaRicanQuaker> i think i like it better though, from the little i could understand after downloading  it
[05:31] <flaccid> there are tutorials on emacs and other text editors on google
[05:32] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok, so the office should be covered by installing the whole x-k-ubuntu desktops altogether plus koffice
[05:32] <CostaRicanQuaker> and the kpdf seems to work just fine
[05:32] <genii> CostaRicanQuaker: emacs is extremely powerful and has a crapload of addons for it. Like someone said earlier: "[00:25] <alaQ> no, emacs is a good os, it just needs a decent text editor. :)"
[05:32] <spiel_mit_feuer> hey, does anyone know which multi media players support sharing of media folders over a network?
[05:32] <CostaRicanQuaker> now, my next question is
[05:32] <flaccid> spiel_mit_feuer: kaffeine can play files over smb
[05:33] <cha2-cute>          jn kj
[05:33] <spiel_mit_feuer> i need a media player that can share files that i can access outside of linux
[05:33] <CostaRicanQuaker> should there be accounts for several users or a single user? ive never isntalled: kubuntu in spanish(which i think i'll have to do) nor several accounts
[05:33] <flaccid> spiel_mit_feuer: media players do not share files...
[05:33] <genii> cha2-cute: Changing your name doesn't make what you're doing any less annoying
[05:33] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker: 1 user account per physical user
[05:34] <spiel_mit_feuer> i need a reliable way of sharing my music with my xbox
[05:34] <CostaRicanQuaker> can someone from personal experience recomend wether it should be a single account and only staff have access to the admin passwords for sudo
[05:34] <flaccid> !samba | spiel_mit_feuer
[05:34] <CostaRicanQuaker> or several accounts for every person of staff?
[05:34] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker: 1 account per user. and add admins to the admin group
[05:34] <spiel_mit_feuer> samba isnt going to work for sharing to an xbox 360.. atleast i dont think so
[05:34] <CostaRicanQuaker> can you link to some sort of tutorial on how to do that?
[05:35] <CostaRicanQuaker> ive never had several users on kubuntu because ive only installed on my own
[05:35] <flaccid> spiel_mit_feuer: why wouldn't it? what protocols does xbox 360 support?
[05:35] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker: just user management in system settings or use kuser
[05:35] <cha2-cute> you my long
[05:35] <CostaRicanQuaker> kuser?
[05:35] <CostaRicanQuaker> !kuser
[05:36] <cha2-cute> kuser is kusir
[05:36] <flaccid> !info kuser
[05:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> !kusir
[05:37] <alaQ> spiel_mit_feuer: http://ushare.geexbox.org/
[05:37] <CostaRicanQuaker> so what is the noun after sudo aptitude install
[05:39] <cha2-cute> kusir is about horse
[05:40] <genii> !id | cha2-cute
[05:41] <CostaRicanQuaker> is there some extra knowledge necessary to set a wireless conexion or it will detect itself just like ithappened when i installed kubuntu?
[05:41] <CostaRicanQuaker> they have a sys router at the peace centre
[05:42] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker: negative. you just right click knetworkmanager
[05:42] <genii> CostaRicanQuaker: Most wireless adapters set up ok automatically. There are a few problemmatic types however. Realtek 8185-8199 series and Intel 3945 for instance
[05:42] <CostaRicanQuaker> should work
[05:43] <CostaRicanQuaker> flaccid: once again, eventhough i already copied and pasted what you told me about security, what is the network security rebuttal to ubuntu reluctance?
[05:44] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker: i have no idea what you are talking about
[05:44] <flaccid> oh there are no open ports for ubuntu out of box so no firewall needed?
[05:44] <CostaRicanQuaker> and how does it send emails then? and i heard it comes with an installed previously config firewall
[05:45] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker: iptables is built in but no rules configured. an MTA is not installed by default and smtp is outgoing, it is not a server listening..
[05:45] <genii> It comes with iptables but it's not exactly configured in what you might call a firewall sort of setup out of box.
[05:46] <flaccid> actually i think it does come with Exim these days for mta but anyway
[05:46] <flaccid> if you have a look at sudo iptables -L there is likely no rules there
[05:48] <spiel_mit_feuer> just about finished building a chroot jail
[05:49] <genii> spiel_mit_feuer: Cool. Then you can make an ssh login for it to trap unwitting would-be-hackers while you trace their IPs
[06:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> so what is the noun after sudo aptitude install for kuser that is
[06:02]  * genii takes a wild stab
[06:02] <genii> kuser ?
[06:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> !kuser
[06:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> kusir!
[06:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> !kusir
[06:02] <genii> !info kuser
[06:02] <flaccid> sudo aptitude install kuser ?
[06:02] <oobe> all my /var/log/messages and syslog are empty
[06:02] <CostaRicanQuaker> ^that, i'm already getting it
[06:02] <genii> Since it's the name of a package....
[06:02] <flaccid> (even though User Management should be suffice)
[06:02] <oobe> does anyone have any idea why this could happen
[06:03] <genii> oobe: You accidentally deleted them?
[06:03] <CostaRicanQuaker> i've another question i download gtk gnutella but it doesnt work, it says that hte version i downloaded which i diid from the terminal is very much outdated, i dont know how to get a program if its not in the repos or not listed in adept
[06:03] <oobe> genii, no
[06:03] <CostaRicanQuaker> i believe it involves something claled compiling so how do i do it
[06:03] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker: maybe try frostwire instead
[06:03] <genii> oobe: The /var was on some partition that couldn't get mounted?
[06:03] <CostaRicanQuaker> what was the command to uninstall? remove alone?
[06:04] <CostaRicanQuaker> flaccid: frostwire good for mp3s/music
[06:04] <flaccid> hmm frostwire aint in repos either. frostwire is gnutella client just like the one mentioned
[06:04] <flaccid> !build | CostaRicanQuaker
[06:09] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker: frostwire is also available in package format from http://www.frostwire.com/?id=downloads
[06:09] <CostaRicanQuaker> flaccid: thank you
[06:09] <flaccid> np
[06:14] <spiel_mit_feuer> haha.. i did it
[06:14] <spiel_mit_feuer> i made a chroot jail and install firefox 32-bit :-D
[06:14] <spiel_mit_feuer> i have youtube back :D
[06:15] <dick-richardson> anyone know of a good media extender that supports nfs?
[06:16] <spiel_mit_feuer> are you trying to stream music to the xbox?
[06:16] <dick-richardson> no, to an a/v receiver
[06:18] <flaccid> what is a media extender?
[06:18] <flaccid> what connectivity is the a/v reciever?
[06:19] <spiel_mit_feuer> hmm
[06:19] <spiel_mit_feuer> ushare is a upnp streaming program
[06:19] <spiel_mit_feuer> should work
[06:20] <dick-richardson> the a/v receiver has stereo rca up to hdmi
[06:20] <dick-richardson> the media extender would see the music shared on my nfs volume and stream it to my home theater upstairs
[06:20] <dick-richardson> ...assuming I can find one
[06:20] <flaccid> im confused because streaming is digital and the other connectivity is analog..
[06:21] <flaccid> are you guys saying that xbox can't play files from smb? thats a bit crazy considering smb is what microsoft invented and uses with windows..
[06:21] <dick-richardson> I'm raising a new question...apologies
[06:25] <flaccid> spiel_mit_feuer: this might help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=632428 . doesn't look like it does samba. m$ are pathetic.
[06:27] <jjjk> hi
[06:27] <flaccid> http://www.videora.com/en-us/Converter/Xbox360/video.html  <--- shows how crap the product is :(
[06:27] <jjjk> where are the packages stored?
[06:27] <flaccid> !hi | jjjk
[06:27] <flaccid> !repos | jjjk
[06:27] <jjjk> no, inside the computer
[06:28] <genii> jjjk: If you mean where on your computer after they are downloaded from the repository and installed, then /var/cache/apt/archives
[06:28] <jjjk> where do the deb packages go
[06:28] <genii> See above
[06:28] <jjjk> thanks
[06:28] <genii> np
[06:31] <filosofic> CRQuaker:  try kpackage
[06:45] <grendal_prime> hey i set up compiz on this machine, I cant get the rotating cube...seems like nothing in the advanced desktops settings manager works.  I mean i can see that compiz is running.but...well the changes i make are not being reflected.
[06:46] <flaccid> !compiz-fusion | grendal_prime
[07:13] <root> hi
[07:15] <Jucato> !rootirc | root__
[07:17] <emons> hi whatz alternative for gksudo if gksu is not installed? what is another command that does the same?
[07:17] <Jucato> emons: KDE/Kubuntu, use kdesu or kdesudo
[07:17] <genii> emons: gksu is standrard with gnome install. If kde install then kdesu
[07:17] <Jucato> GNOME/Ubuntu, gksu is always there
[07:18] <emons> alright thx
[07:18] <gnomefreak> Jucato: they still may be broken well kdesudo was
[07:18] <gnomefreak> in kde4
[07:18] <emons> so instead of gksudo kate fstab --> kdesu kate fstab ?
[07:19] <genii> Jucato: I've noticed a weirdness in that if you have both Gnome and KDE and then from for instance gnome-terminal do: kdesu kdeapp     it don't work. Same applies to running gksu gnomeapp    from Konsole. Odd, eh?
[07:19] <gnomefreak> emons: i think its more like /etc/fstab
[07:19] <genii> emons: Yes
[07:19] <gnomefreak> but its been a while
[07:19] <genii> emons: However full path of file.   /etc/fstab
[07:19] <emons> alright thx
[07:19] <gnomefreak> yay i was right ;)
[07:20] <genii> !helpersnack | gnomefreak
[07:20] <genii> gnomefreak: For a guy with a nick like yours you sure spend enough time in #kubuntu .... ;)
[07:21] <gnomefreak> ;)
[07:21] <Jucato> genii: wth? you don't know who gnomefreak is?!?! O.o
[07:22] <genii> A freaky gnome?
[07:22] <emons> yesterday i was trying to install kmyfirewall to set up iptables but kmyfirewall has incompatibility issues... any idea how to fix these issues? or any suggestions about any ohter graphical interface for iptables that runs on kubuntu without problems?
[07:22] <Jucato> gnomefreak: you've been gone far too long :P
[07:22] <genii> Jucato: I guess I'm blissfully ignorant
[07:23] <gnomefreak> Jucato: yeah i spead just mornings normally now sice theheat of day raises heat in this room but rest of house has great cool air
[07:24]  * genii sips his decaf 
[07:25] <emons> no ideas?
[07:26] <genii> !info guarddog
[07:26]  * genii sips
[07:28] <bob3213243> anyone know of any sites that have themes and icons for girls?
[07:28] <Jucato> www.kde-look.org
[07:28] <emons> yes but here it says http://pastebin.com/m478e5de2 and i dunno what that means... i mean do i have to change anything? do i have to get back to the older version as it says? help
[07:29] <genii> iirc
[07:31] <emons> yes but here it says http://pastebin.com/m478e5de2 and i dunno what that means... i mean do i have to change anything? do i have to get back to the older version as it says? help
[07:32] <genii> emons: Don't know exactly. But it doesn't say you need to use some older version or so on, just that it now configures differently than before
[07:33] <flaccid> emons: n need to repeat
[07:33] <genii> emons: If you didn't have any rules you wanted to import I wouldn't worry much over it
[07:33] <flaccid> emons: doesn't look like you took my advice yesterday which is to use guarddog instead or learn iptables
[07:35] <emons> no flaccid i am using guard dog now but it doesn't let u configure precisely, it just seems to be an average configuration tool, and i dont like it
[07:35] <flaccid> emons: thats why its a good idea to learn iptables itself
[07:41] <emons_> i meant script that runs itself at the startup
[07:43] <flaccid> emons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo#Configuration on startup  <-- its in one file
[07:51] <efnx> hey, there any programmers in here?
[07:54] <genii> efnx: #ubuntu-devel #ubuntu-motu #ubuntu+1 has a fair number of them. Also #bash but prepare to be derided in there
[07:54] <genii> Bah he laft already
[07:54]  * genii contemplates sleep as his typos increase
[08:01] <efnx> hey, thanks
[08:02] <adred> hello have a couple of questions. how do i install the latest build of kde 4.1 in my hardy heron box?will it get updated from time to time if a new release comes out?
[08:03] <jussi01> !kde4 | adred
[08:04] <adred> thanks
[08:05] <emons> i installed mplayer and it crashes "fatal error initializing the selected video"
[08:05] <emons> ?
[08:21] <eloquence> how do I fix this problem: CMake Error: your CXX compiler: "CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER-NOTFOUND" was not found.   Please set CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER to a valid compilerpath or name.
[09:39] <HasNicktir> Türk var mý?
[09:40] <HasNicktir> yok mu?
[09:57] <ksal> hi
[09:57] <ksal> how can I make my scanner work with kubuntu
[09:57] <ksal> i have both sane and xsane installed
[09:58] <ksal> but my system doesn't see a device. i need drivers, yes?
[09:58] <flaccid> i'd say s
[09:58] <flaccid> so
[09:59] <ksal> can you help somehow?
[09:59] <ksal> it's medion scanner
[10:22] <flaccid> !ventrilo
[10:25] <CrypTom> hi all, what process is responsible for periodically updating the available packages (executing apt-get update or similar)? On my personal laptop and on an server with graphical user interface this happens, on other servers without GUI this does not happen automatically·
[10:35] <sjovani> hello everybody
[10:35] <sjovani> I'm doing a script that needs know what architecture of distribution is running
[10:36] <sjovani> is there any command or file?
[10:38] <flaccid> sjovani: uname -m
[10:39] <sjovani> i686 -> i386, x86_64 -> amd64 or what?
[10:39] <flaccid> that doesn't make sense, sjovani
[10:39] <sjovani> for 64bits distribution, what output for uname -m?
[10:43] <flaccid> not sure, i've never un 64bit. probably x86_64 or amd64 not sure.
[10:45] <system366> Hio all!
[10:45] <system366> Could sum1 direct me to the "Coompiz-Fusion" channel please?
[10:46] <flaccid> !compiz-fusion | system366
[10:46] <system366> ah ha, ty very much flaccid :)
[10:46] <system366> ooo i remember u :P
[10:47] <system366> do u remember me? :D
[10:47] <flaccid> np. probably not
[10:47] <flaccid> sorry
[10:48] <system366> lols oh wells :P
[10:48] <flaccid> yeah :)
[10:50] <sns> !help
[10:50] <sns> Well quick question. I got a LCD TV with 720p resolution that I am going to use as main monitor for a pc with a nvidia video card. I can't set the right resolution. Using VGA connector
[10:51] <sns> Tried using the nvidia-settings utility. Problem is that it seems to do nothing
[10:51] <sns> Any help is greatly appreciated
[10:53] <pag> sns, adding desired resolution in /etc/X11/xorg.conf usually helps
[10:53] <sns> pag, yeah I know that. But I am a bit puzzled at how I can do that. Got any sites I can read?
[10:54] <pag> sns, I can paste my xorg.conf for reference, if you want
[10:54] <sns> that would be great
[10:55] <pag> sns, http://paste.ubuntu.com/27966/
[10:55] <_dennister> anyone know what to do when the hardy upgrade hangs forever at locale-gen? it seems to be a new and very recent bug
[10:55] <sns> pag, thank you. I shall be trying and brb
[10:56] <_dennister> i had to stop the process, despite the warning, and now can't get it or any installation process (with any medium) to work
[10:57] <_dennister> the failed upgrade has locked the system, can't even do a dpkg --configure -a
[10:57] <kg> hello, have anybody tried the stuff mentioned here: http://techbase.kde.org/User:Lemma/GPU-Performance
[10:59] <_dennister> kg: i probably can't help you, but if ur serious about getting help, you might want to actually tell people what the problem is, instead of expecting others to follow your links just to understand
[11:00] <kg> oh right - i was trying out the new intrepid with a 8XXX nvidia card
[11:01] <kg> seems to be working fine, except for the known nvidia problems
[11:02] <kg> i tried the workarounds to imporve the performance suggested by kde, but it made X crash between 5 secs and 5 mins of logging in
[11:02] <kg> so i was curious if anyone else tried doing what i did
[11:03] <_dennister> kg: not me, i'm just trying to get some help with this failed version upgrade :(
[11:03] <kg> from hardy to intrepid?
[11:04] <_dennister> from gutsy to hardy
[11:04] <kg> ahh
[11:04] <_dennister> always hangs at 81%...the locales
[11:04] <kg> while downloading, or after?
[11:05] <_dennister> after downloading...at the installation part
[11:05] <_dennister> which is why the upgrade is 81% done :P
[11:05] <kg> are you using any other languages other than the default (which i assume is english)?
[11:06] <_dennister> nope...yesterday tried using canada as the locale, but had to reinstall gutsy, tried again using US, and same result
[11:08] <kg> sorry, i have nothing too
[11:08] <_dennister> and of course the version upgrade has completely locked the whole system...no other installation method will work because it can't get a lock...as I was stopping the version upgrade i was strongly warned to resume it, but how to resume?
[11:08] <_dennister> would have been nice to be given a clue as to HOW to resume it, lol
[11:08] <kg> haha yeah... but i'm surprised dkpg --configure -a doesn't work
[11:09] <_dennister> yeah, same here, but it doesn't
[11:10] <_dennister> i did a version upgrade yesterday morning on my home theatre pc...worked without a hitch, but not with this pc i've rebuilt for a friend
[11:11] <_dennister> and i've had really bad experiences with clean installs using hardy...always bad xorg and mixing up of optical drives
[11:11] <kg> hmm, o
[11:12] <kg> *i'm guessing the differences between the 2 PCs are huge?
[11:12] <_dennister> oh yeah....the home theatre pc is only 2 years old...dual core system; this one's a p3 compaq
[11:13] <kg> it's odd that hardware differences can affect the installation at the "locale" bit though
[11:13] <_dennister> i'[ve also done other p3 gutsy-hardy version upgrades recently though, and didn't have these problems.,..my hobby is to refurbish pc's with linux
[11:14] <kg> was it a fresh gutsy install each time?
[11:14]  * djwisdom thinks could it possibly be bad memory chip that corrupts the installation? 
[11:15] <vandenoever> i'm trying to run ccmake in heron, but it's not there even though i installed cmake
[11:15] <_dennister> i think it's an extremely recent bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/langpack-locales/+bug/249340https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/langpack-locales/+bug/249340
[11:15] <kg> well at least you're not alone in this
[11:15] <djwisdom> :(
[11:16] <djwisdom> my sympathy _dennister, kg is correct. you're in good company.
[11:16] <_dennister> djwisdom: i've tested the memory...and everything else...i was experiencing very severee problems, and finally swapped the mobo's daughterboard that had the power suppoy and ide controllers...and everything since then has been a breeze....except the locales-gen with the hardy version upgrade
[11:17] <_dennister> the earlier hardware issues had to do with a failing primary ide controller on daughtercard
[11:18] <kg> wow you're right, it IS a very new issue
[11:19] <_dennister> well having company in my troubles doesn't help when I've gotta now figure out what to do...start from scratch again? reinstall gutsy and leave hardy alone?
[11:19] <kg> now with 8.04.1, do you think you might have less problems with clean hardy installs?
[11:19] <Malic> Hi! How can i convert jpeg files into eps ?
[11:19] <_dennister> ....have you heard any feedback about 8.04.1? does it actually work now?
[11:20] <_dennister> Malic: have u tried gimp?
[11:21] <Malic> _dennister: its too complicated.. isnt there a program for terminal?
[11:21] <kg> no, i have no idea actually, but seeing how you plan to do fresh installs anyway, might as well give it a try - if it works it might actually save you time
[11:22] <_dennister> hmmm a graphics guy who's afraid of "complicated"...lol
[11:22] <Malic> it takes too log to do that with gimp.. i need that for latex
[11:22] <Malic> long
[11:22] <_dennister> kg...yeah...don't much like the idea of spending 2 hours to install gutsy, then another 2 hours for upgrade to hardy
[11:23] <kg> hmm malic, when i was a student, i made a script to automatically convert images to eps... but i've forgotten how now
[11:24] <_dennister> i'll do some research first on the relative successes with 8.04.1...a clean install could save me time, or could fail, too, and force me back to gutsy clean install
[11:25] <_dennister> i may be stubborn, and have worked on this pc for 3 days now, but i do have my limits...could always install gutsy and leave it like that
[11:25] <kg> yeah, gutsy and hardy aren't that much different
[11:25] <kg> it's only intrepid that no longer uses kde3 which is a hige leap
[11:25] <kg> *u
[11:26] <kg> malic: i'll look things up a bit, if i find something i'll tell you
[11:26] <_dennister> gutsy worked, heheheh, i like some things about hardy, like better samba networking, but judy's machine i'm working on won't be networked
[11:26] <Malic> thank you very much!
[11:27] <kg> are you trying to automate the process by any chance malic?
[11:27] <makdaknife> Malic: what kind of images... there's png2eps
[11:28] <Moi> salut
[11:28] <Moi> à tus
[11:28] <Moi> tous
[11:29] <Moi> il y a qqn ?????????????
[11:30] <_dennister> Moi: english channel here
[11:30] <_dennister> !french
[11:30] <Malic> i will use pdflatex, then i can include non eps- pictures
[11:30] <Malic> so the problem is solved! thx!
[11:30] <Malic> and cya
[11:31] <kg> yes, that's a much better solution
[11:31] <Moi> yes french
[11:31] <Moi> U speak french ?*
[11:32] <_dennister> Moi: no i don't, and most users in this channel won't either, so i was directing you to the french kubuntu channel
[11:33] <sns> no go. changing xorg.conf doesn't do anything
[11:33] <Moi> where is french chnnel ?
[11:33] <kg> do we have a channel for every locale?
[11:33] <kg> #kubuntu-fr
[11:33] <_dennister> Moi:  the bot gave you the blue link above ^^^^^^
[11:33] <Moi> thx
[11:34] <_dennister> kg: have no idea, but the main languages are supported as far as i know
[11:34] <kg> impressive... this could be a good way to learn new languages
[11:35] <_dennister> lol...ur not a linux newbie r u?
[11:35] <sns> I need 1080i output on vga with newest kubuntu... it's for my main monitor. Tried adding the resolutions to xorg.conf with no luck
[11:36] <flaccid> 1080i?
[11:36] <kg> depends on the definition - i've never bothered looking at the actual architecture of linux, but i've been using various linux distros for awhile
[11:36] <_dennister> kg: ur very welcome if u are a newb, it just sounded like u knew what u were doing already
[11:36] <_dennister> kg: that's what i'd assumed
[11:36] <sns> flaccid: 1366x768
[11:36] <kg> probably most people here are that hey
[11:37] <flaccid> sns: pastebin your xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:37] <_dennister> flaccid: do u have any idea what to do about this broken version upgrade i've got on my hands now?
[11:37] <level1> I have a very stubborn window that doesn't have a titlebar and won't respond to alt-f3.  How do I get the special window settings dialog for this window?
[11:37] <_dennister> always hangs at 81%...very new bug with locales-gen
[11:37] <flaccid> _dennister: pastebin the whole output ?
[11:37] <flaccid> _dennister: do it from konsole and see the prblem
[11:38] <_dennister> flaccid: can't pastebin try resuming from konsole and all i get is that dpkg can't get a lock on the system
[11:38] <sns> flaccid: paste.ubuntu.com/27972
[11:39] <flaccid> !adeptfix | _dennister
[11:40] <kg> wow the bot knows every bugfix there is??
[11:40] <flaccid> sns: the resolution you want is not in there. this is single display right?
[11:40] <flaccid> kg: negative.
[11:40] <sns> it's single display yes
[11:40] <kg> lol well it's still pretty cool :P
[11:41] <another_life> hi, i am using kubuntu 7.10 and when I insert a dvd or cd it doesnot auto open and there is nothing in /media/cdrom0 or /media/cdrom1  (i have 2 drives).
[11:41] <flaccid> sns: ok. is 1366x768 the native/max resolution of the monitor?
[11:41] <sns> yes
[11:42] <sns> I only get 640x480 and 800x600 as alternatives
[11:42] <flaccid> sns: have you tried with no resolutions in xorg.conf?
[11:42] <sns> yep
[11:42] <flaccid> sns: still waiting to see your log pastebin..
[11:42] <sns> I updated the post with it
[11:43] <flaccid> sns: whats the new URI?
[11:43] <sns> what is a uri? sorry
[11:43] <flaccid> URL
[11:43] <sns> flaccid: paste.ubuntu.com/27973
[11:44] <_dennister> flaccid: thx...after issuing the command i was told i'd have to restart the system, but it'll probably be too unstable to be usable for awhile...
[11:45] <_dennister> but to heck with what the gui message said about restarting...konsole is still working
[11:45] <_dennister> i'm going out for a cig
[11:45] <flaccid> _dennister: what exactly asked to restart?
[11:46] <flaccid> sns: which version of ubuntu?
[11:46] <_dennister> flaccid: after i issued your command, i got a message (not in Konsole) that told me to restart my system...but i'm going to wait to do that until konsole finishes and i get my prompt back
[11:46] <sns> 8.04
[11:47] <flaccid> i can't remember advising a command _dennister
[11:47] <_dennister> flaccid: i'm not sure "what" asked me to restart...just a white text box popped up...
[11:47] <flaccid> sns: run kdesudo jockey-kde and let me know what it says
[11:48] <flaccid> _dennister: i don't know what you did or what popped up..
[11:48] <_dennister> flaccid: sorry...it was the bot you hailed
[11:48] <sns> oops. I am running ubuntu not kubuntu
[11:48] <sns> so command not found. very sorry about this
[11:49] <sns> I will ask for help in ubuntu
[11:49] <flaccid> _dennister: oh. well just keep in mind that you can only run 1 program (package manager) that access dpkg at 1 single time
[11:49] <_dennister> flaccid: ^^^^
[11:49] <_dennister> u called on !adeptfix
[11:49] <flaccid> yes
[11:50] <_dennister> flaccid: and yes, i know, but still haven't committed to memory yet on how to stop one adept process (quite a few methods) to allow another process to start
[11:50] <flaccid> sns: your xorg.conf is using the vesa driver and not the nvidia one. if you have it installed properly then update xorg.conf to use Driver "nvidia"
[11:50] <_dennister> i wrote down the bot's recommendation, so may have committed this one to memory now
[11:51] <flaccid> _dennister: im totally confused now. if you do not have a process running for pkg management. then do a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade to finish it off
[11:52] <_dennister> flaccid: ok, never mind the backtracking (sorry); it seems konsole is taking forever with Setting up language-support-translations-en (1:8.04+20080407) ...
[11:53] <_dennister> it may have hung, too, but i'll give it a chance while i go have a cig
[11:53] <flaccid> _dennister: that might be normal. wait for it all to finish and then issue the above command to make sure its complete
[11:53] <_dennister> will do
[11:53] <flaccid> okies
[11:53] <emons> hi flaccid i mounted my hard disks setting mount automatically and modifying the fstab, now after reboot two of those are access denied... how do i fix that?
[11:54] <flaccid> emons: you probably have incorrect fstab which is why its good to use disks & filesystems in system settings. how are you getting the access denied, what are you doing etc.?
[11:55] <emons> just traying to open it with click and it says access denied
[11:55] <flaccid> open what with a click where?
[11:55] <emons> how do i open fstab from terminal? ksedu kate /etc/fstab ?
[11:55] <flaccid> emons: kate /etc/fstab
[11:55] <emons> wasnt there somthing before?
[11:56] <flaccid> emons: you can run it under kdesudo if you want to write to it
[11:56] <emons> like gksudo (for gnome) what is it for kde
[11:56] <emons> ah alright
[11:56] <emons> kdesudo
[11:56] <emons> no cuz im thinking i may wrote sdd1 instead of sdc1 when i type the hard disks ill check on fstab in one sec
[11:56] <flaccid> yes. but you might want to show us your fstab with pastebin and tell which fs etc. you are trying to mount and what exactly you are clicking on etc. you are too ambiguous
[11:57] <flaccid> another reason why you let disks & filesystems do it all for you :)
[11:58] <kg> speaking of kdesudo - what does kde 4.1 use? it's absent in my system
[11:58] <emons> how do i see how kubuntu called the hard disks i mean where do i see sdb1 sdd1 etc?
[11:59] <emons> found
[11:59] <emons> one sec
[12:00] <flaccid> kg: wrong channel, try #kubuntu-kde4
[12:00] <kg> wow we have a channel for everything
[12:00] <kg> thanks
[12:00] <flaccid> emons: sudo fdisk -l or disks & filesystems in system settings
[12:00] <flaccid> np
[12:01] <emons> alright as i thought when i typed sd1 next to the name of the disk and sc1 next to the other name etc (ivegot 4 disks) i typed them worng now i re-put the right sd1 sc1 etc i reboot and see if it let me open em
[12:02] <_dennister> back, and konsole is still stuck at setting up language-support-translations-en
[12:02] <jos_> Hello
[12:02] <flaccid> _dennister: check top in another konsole tab or something
[12:02] <jos_> I must fart:P
[12:03] <flaccid> jos_: wrong channel for that
[12:04] <_dennister> flaccid: ok, top output is changing, but localedef pid is remaining at the very top
[12:04] <flaccid> _dennister: whats the cpu useage? and what processor do you have?
[12:05] <_dennister> flaccid: cpu usage varies from 90% to 98%...its a p3 450 or 500 mhz
[12:06] <flaccid> _dennister: in that case it kind of looks overloaded. but i would give it 25mins then if its still stuck on that pkg, ctrl+c it and try again
[12:07] <flaccid> upgrade process can take quite a while
[12:07] <_dennister> ok, it recently went to 99.1%, but is now in the 48.7 percent range for awhile
[12:07] <emons> hey flaccid it didnt work can u help?
[12:08] <flaccid> emons: im always here to help
[12:08] <kg> am i the only one impressed by flaccid here??
[12:08] <flaccid> _dennister: p3 is decent but could still take longer. i have some p2 servers and they take ages
[12:08] <flaccid> kg: come back on a good day :)
[12:09] <kg> lol
[12:09] <sns> kg, he's probably just reading up stuff from a support script :p
[12:09] <sns> j/k, of course. I'm impressed too
[12:09] <flaccid> i would only read a script if i was getting paid :O
[12:10] <_dennister> when i started the version upgrade last night, using the adept-generated gui, it got stuck on same package (locale-gen) installing it, at 81%, and i went to sleep...5 hours later it was still stuck on it...new bug
[12:10] <_dennister> kg: no, flaccid's one of the best in this channel
[12:10] <flaccid> _dennister: ok issue/bug there for sure then
[12:10] <sns> Talking about getting paid. If I just could fix resolution on this computer I'd be so much closer to actually cashing out this project
[12:11] <flaccid> sns: i've been trying to help you but you aint been very responsive
[12:11] <sns> flaccid: I know. Not saying you haven't been helpful. Been trying different things. Working on two different computers as the one I have problems with is at another location
[12:11] <sns> Sorry about that
[12:12] <_dennister> flaccid: problem is; ctrl-c doesn't work to kill this process
[12:12] <flaccid> sns: just do this. take out all your resolutions from xorg.conf then change driver in xorg.conf to nvidia (if you have nvidia driver installed properly) then restart X then show me the log then we will know the problem with your monitor or config etc.
[12:12] <flaccid> _dennister: that could be because of the overload. this is in konsole right with apt-get ?
[12:14] <emons> alright can u help me in mounting my hard disks which i cant open now cuz of access denied?
[12:14] <_dennister> flaccid: ctrl-c worked with top shell; ctrl-c doesn't work with the other shell that's trying to set up language-support-translations...also doesn't work when u try to use the adept-generated gui to do version upgrade
[12:15] <flaccid> emons: i helped you before. still waiting for pastebin of /etc/fstab
[12:15] <emons> o sorry man
[12:15] <emons> one sec
[12:15] <CostaRicanQuaker> flaccid: so after i type in sudo apt-get install automake and the other compiling command package to download
[12:15] <CostaRicanQuaker> i only download whatever i want and clickon the file
[12:15] <CostaRicanQuaker> and it installs itself automaticallly
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[12:15] <CostaRicanQuaker> lñike it would on windows?
[12:15] <flaccid> _dennister: um i don't know why 2 shells are going or what the adept generated gui thing is. maybe do a restart and then simply issue sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade in konsole?
[12:16] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker: i don't know what you are trying to achieve
[12:16] <CostaRicanQuaker> flaccid: you gave me this link  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware
[12:16] <CostaRicanQuaker> it shows two commands to download some packages
[12:16] <CostaRicanQuaker> once ive got them, i just download the frostwire file and open it and it installs itself
[12:16] <_dennister> flaccid: i will try, but when the version upgrade hangs so close to the end, rebooting results in an unusuable, unstable system
[12:16] <CostaRicanQuaker> like if it was a windows program?
[12:17] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker: no sorry i don't think you understand it
[12:17] <CostaRicanQuaker> then?
[12:17] <_dennister> cya later
[12:17] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker: frostwire is available in .deb package format so you do not need to build/compile at all
[12:17] <CostaRicanQuaker> what do you do? just download it and open the file?
[12:17] <CostaRicanQuaker> and it installs itself?
[12:18] <flaccid> _dennister: kill all your processes and whatever else. then start a new konsole and issue the command and see where it gets up to. (start fresh without a reboot)
[12:18] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker: should do, otherwise you can install a .deb with dpkg command
[12:18] <CostaRicanQuaker> flaccid: http://www.frostwire.com/?id=downloads you gaveme this link i already downloaded it, so let me try what oyu said
[12:19] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker: yeah so to install: sudo dpkg -i /path/to/the/file/you/downloaded.deb
[12:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> it opened through some application called Gdebi package instaler
[12:19] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker: yeah that thing will install it for you without need for cli
[12:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> flaccid: thankyou
[12:19] <flaccid> np
[12:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> it's 5:19 am here in costa rica
[12:20] <kg> good morning
[12:20] <flaccid> CostaRicanQuaker: so a .deb is a package which is compiled. when you can't get a package from repos or internet then you have to compile which is not very often
[12:20] <flaccid> morning
[12:20] <emons> http://pastebin.com/m6f58976e
[12:20] <emons> here it is my fstab
[12:22] <flaccid> thanks emons
[12:23] <emons> if can help i know the "names" of each disk and also how kubuntu calls them (ex: Archive sda1))
[12:23] <flaccid> emons: which device is the problem?
[12:23] <emons> i have 4 hard disks, one is where theres kubuntu installed (the only one i can open) the other three i cannot open them it just says permission denied
[12:24] <flaccid> emons: how are you trying to mount them?, with what?
[12:25] <emons> im not i only check "mount automatically" in each of the hard disks properties
[12:25] <flaccid> emons: where is this?
[12:25] <emons> storage media
[12:25] <flaccid> emons: in konqueror?
[12:25] <emons> usually i could access the disks also from /media/ with doplhin, not konqueror
[12:26] <flaccid> emons: please pastebin sudo fdisk -l and i'll ammend fdisk for you
[12:26] <flaccid> i mean ammend fstab
[12:26] <emons> thank you one sec
[12:27] <emons> http://pastebin.com/m2b86436d
[12:27] <sns> http://paste.ubuntu.com/27982 http://paste.ubuntu.com/27983
[12:27] <emons> here it is
[12:28] <sns> that was for flaccid
[12:29] <kg> SFS? i've never heard of that FS
[12:29] <sns> squashfs
[12:31] <kg> sns, what does booting with that xorg.conf do?
[12:32] <kg> oh nvm
[12:32] <kg> i just spotted the second link
[12:33] <emons> http://pastebin.com/m2b86436d
[12:33] <flaccid> ok give me a few mins
[12:34] <emons> alright thank u mate
[12:34] <flaccid> ok i'll do emons then sns brb
[12:35] <flaccid> emons: are these for mount on boot and are all local hard disks?
[12:37] <emons> they are all hard disks of this computer and i'd like them to be for boot (i mean automatically mounted)
[12:37] <flaccid> emons: where did you create these filesystems. the part types are SFS which i havnt heard of? is that vista or something?
[12:38] <sns> isn't SFS squashfs?
[12:38] <emons> nope it was xp but i read on a guide that sometimes kubuntu reads NTFS as SFS should be normal
[12:38] <flaccid> yeah must just be the part type
[12:38] <emons> i guess so
[12:39] <emons> flaccid i have to do something really important would u excuse me for 5 minutes? i'll be right back thank you
[12:39] <flaccid> emons: can you finally just paste ls -l /media please
[12:39] <flaccid> np emons
[12:39] <emons> alright
[12:39] <emons> ill do that first
[12:40] <incorrect> hello
[12:40] <emons> http://pastebin.com/m5f90c929
[12:40] <emons> here it is see you in 5mins
[12:40] <incorrect> should i use envy to install the nvida driver or should i just use the hardware tool?
[12:40] <flaccid> emons: the mount points don't exist which is probably the reason
[12:41] <kg> what version of kubuntu are you using?
[12:41] <flaccid> incorrect: hardware drivers manager (tool) yes
[12:41] <dennister> flaccid: it's amazing, but rebooting allows me to get into x, anyway, although there are seemingly severe  issues
[12:41] <flaccid> dennister: is your system up to date yet?
[12:41] <dennister> no...still trying to get sudo priviledges to get the network going
[12:42] <dennister> some of the severe issues are hal not working (1st error message at startup), and then kcontrol won't let me change anything...doesn't even ask me for password
[12:43] <dennister> trying to remember how to change sudoers file at the moment
[12:43] <flaccid> dennister: hmm fair enough. the file is /etc/sudoers
[12:44] <flaccid> emons: pings us when back. i should have a solution
[12:44] <mooper> I just deleted my trash folder :(
[12:44] <mooper> why did it let me do that>
[12:44] <incorrect> i noticed the nvidia driver has had funny font rendering, fonts seem to be misscaled
[12:44] <dennister> yes, opened it already :)
[12:44] <dennister> just want to verify i've done it riht...using google
[12:45] <flaccid> incorrect: thats irregular
[12:45] <sirakos> wow. lots of people.
[12:45] <sirakos> sweet.
[12:47] <hellohector> what is the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu
[12:47] <hellohector> i'm newbie
[12:48] <sns> kubuntu is focused on kde desktop and ubuntu on gnome desktop
[12:48] <hellohector> which desktop is faster?
[12:49] <flaccid> neither. thats a very debatable topic.
[12:49] <hellohector> hmm
[12:49] <hellohector> to get kubuntu do i need to reinstall everything again? or is it just a 'session' ?
[12:49] <flaccid> yep session
[12:49] <flaccid> !info kubuntu-desktop
[12:50] <hellohector> is there a way to install it from command line ?
[12:50] <hellohector> linux is new to me too
[12:50] <hellohector> i'm loving it though !
[12:51] <flaccid> hellohector: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[12:51] <hellohector> you're my hero
[12:51] <hellohector> thank you
[12:51] <hellohector> now i just have to figure out how the hell to get flash working on opera
[12:51] <dennister> flaccid: rebooted again into recovery mode, selected "fix broken packages" and locales are being generated :)
[12:52] <flaccid> hellohector: join ##Opera and i'll show you
[12:52] <dennister> lot better than trying to fix everything (like sudoers file) one by one
[12:52] <flaccid> dennister: crazy bug good!
[12:52] <flaccid> bug=but
[12:53] <hellohector> ok. next issue for me.. whenever i try to install something i get "Seting up java-common (0.29ubuntu3) ... "
[12:53] <hellohector> and it freezes tehre
[12:53] <hellohector> any ideas?
[12:53] <multifreq> install java
[12:53] <flaccid> hellohector:  sudo dpkg --purge java-common (and then reinstall java)
[12:54] <hellohector> oh ok
[12:54] <flaccid> actually i take that back. depends what java you want...
[12:54] <emons> alright flaccid here i am
[12:54] <flaccid> wb
[12:54] <emons> thx
[12:54] <hellohector> um. i dont know what java i want. i just want my installing software thing to stop freezing
[12:54] <hellohector> when i try to install software
[12:54] <hellohector> :(
[12:54] <flaccid> hellohector: try this first. sudo apt-get install --reinstall java-common
[12:55] <hellohector> ok
[12:56] <flaccid> hellohector: for flash use this for 9.2 http://my.opera.com/remcolanting/blog/2008/04/14/opera-and-flash-on-linux and as for 9.51 the normal flashplugin-nonfree works fine
[12:56] <hellohector> it wont let me
[12:56] <hellohector> because my install thing is still running
[12:56] <flaccid> hellohector: specify error please
[12:56] <hellohector> and frozen
[12:56] <hellohector> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[12:56] <hellohector> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[12:56] <flaccid> hellohector: ctrl + c out of it
[12:56] <hellohector> ok
[12:57] <mooper> Hi, I accidentally deleted my trash can in dolphin and now I cant get it back!!!!!!!
[12:57] <mooper> help!
[12:57] <emons> flaccid ?
[12:58] <flaccid> emons: yes?
[12:58] <emons> sorry what should i do?
[12:58] <flaccid> sorry let me just see
[12:58] <hellohector> wow this flaccid guy is really helpful
[12:58] <hellohector> deserves a medal
[12:59] <flaccid> emons: ok i give you command 1 second
[12:59] <kg> lol hellohector you have no idea
[12:59] <emons> ah ak
[12:59] <flaccid> hellohector: totally appreciate your compliment
[12:59] <hellohector> you're welcome. you should set up a paypal dude!
[12:59] <hellohector> take donations
[12:59] <hellohector> lol
[12:59] <flaccid> emons: backup your /etc/fstab and then replace it with this : http://pastebin.com/d105f757c
[12:59] <flaccid> hehe that would be wrong but not a bad idea
[13:00] <kg> mooper: not sure if anyone helped you yet
[13:00] <sns> flaccid: gotten any time to look at my problem?
[13:00] <kg> but you can get it back by clicking on the icon next to the address bar
[13:00] <flaccid> emons: once you have done that, do this command: sudo mkdir /media/chronicle; sudo mkdir /media/Archive; sudo mkdir /media/storage; sudo mount -a
[13:00] <flaccid> sns: getting there
[13:00] <sns> thanks flaccid
[13:01] <flaccid> emons: let us know when done
[13:01] <mooper> kg, no it seems to be well and truly gone
[13:01] <kg> in that case, you need to navigate manually to the trash folder
[13:02] <mooper> which would be?
[13:02] <mooper> ~/.trash I though
[13:02] <flaccid> sns: looking at log now
[13:02] <emons> alright flaccid where do i sign the petition to make 'em pay you? :D
[13:02] <kg> mooper:
[13:03] <kg> from dolphin, edit the address bar manually
[13:03] <kg> and type in "trash:"
[13:03] <emons> thanks for your help again now it all works, so i assume now the hard disks are gonna be mounted automatically after next reboot right?
[13:03] <mooper> kg, the location trash: is invalid
[13:03] <flaccid> emons: hehe. don't thank me until it works :)
[13:03] <kg> wow
[13:03] <kg> you really DID delete it
[13:04] <emons> so u mean i should wait next reboot?
[13:04] <flaccid> oh it works. emons yeah its auto
[13:04] <mooper> kg, it was all too easy
[13:04] <emons> ah alright u didn read that
[13:04] <emons> thank u mate
[13:04] <mooper> kg: Im a bit scared
[13:04] <emons> see you in the future (for sure eheheh)
[13:04] <flaccid> emons: pleasure. just use 'you' instead of 'u' and its all good!
[13:04] <flaccid> np
[13:04] <kg> lol mooper don't panic
[13:05] <flaccid> sns: you are next. this problem has been reported a bit
[13:05] <sns> flaccid: great. reported?
[13:05] <kg> i'm sure you can restore it easily - how did you delete the trash folder btw?
[13:06] <flaccid> yeah reported here in this channel, not sure where else. sns what is your lspci | grep VGA ?
[13:06] <mooper> kg: panic! I have passed in to the grim world of ultimate doom. How am I to be productive without a trash can?
[13:06] <dennister> flaccid: locale-gen finished, then ran into problem because it can't resolve us.archive.ubuntu.com ...of course it's having difficulty because network isn't starting at boot yet...how do i dhcp networking to start  in cli?
[13:06] <dennister> oops, wait
[13:06] <kg> mooper: lol
[13:07] <flaccid> dennister: sudo dhclient eth0 (for example, when no other dhclient running) or edit /etc/network/interfaces and restart network...
[13:08] <sns> paste.ubuntu.com/27993
[13:09] <flaccid> sns: ah. what model nvidia is it?
[13:11] <flaccid> sns as in the nvidia chipset/gpu
[13:13] <kg> mooper: try going to "~/.local/share"
[13:14] <kg> mooper and recreate a folder called "
[13:14] <mooper> aha, yes there is a folder there called trash
[13:14] <kg> so it's there? what's inside it?
[13:14] <mooper> trash things
[13:14] <kg> weird, so it's a dolphin issue?
[13:15] <sns> flaccid: NVIDIA GeForce 7150
[13:16] <flaccid> yeah thought so. thats a new card i think and isn't in the db
[13:16] <sns> this means I am screwed?...
[13:16] <mooper> kg, yeh I think so
[13:17] <flaccid> sns: no it means we need to find the best solution
[13:17] <kg> mooper, how did you delete the trash folder anyway? by removing the shortcut to it from dolphin's "places
[13:17] <kg> *?
[13:17] <sns> flaccid: Your optimism is greatly appreciated
[13:18] <flaccid> sns: give me a few minutes to research
[13:18] <sns> thank you
[13:18] <mooper> yeh, Im not sure exactly. I think it was an unwise right click
[13:19] <dennist> flaccid: got my network going, in kde as root (know this is bad, but have reasons) and am still struggling to finish this upgrade
[13:20] <flaccid> sounds like fun
[13:21] <dennist> apt-get update is telling me i have to use dpkg --configure -a, and that command is giving me tother dependency errors issues
[13:21] <kg> dennist, you must had real bad experiences with clean hardy installs to be willing to go through what you just went though
[13:21] <dennist> kg: yep
[13:22] <dennist> i'm gonna have to completely redo my database server soon...that was a clean install
[13:24] <dennist> first error message i'm getting is dbus...saying home dir /var/run/dbus can't be accessed because there's no such file or directory, but the user messagebus already exists, so it exists
[13:24] <dennist> oope *so it exits
[13:24] <mooper> what does the hive mind think is a good size for a 8.04 installation?
[13:25] <waylandbill> I have three systems with pretty much the same packages installed. Is there an easy way to use the apt cache from one as a source of packages for the others so the packages only have to be downloaded once?
[13:26] <waylandbill> mooper: you mean as a partition size for / (assuming seperate /home) ? 10GB is more than plenty
[13:27] <flaccid> sns: won't be long now
[13:27] <dennist> but i really don't want to struggle with burning yet another cd to try again with an 8.04 dektop install...i do however have the 8.04 server install cd
[13:28] <dennist> er...thought i did...case is now empty
[13:28] <mooper> waylandbill: I am very short on space and yes seperate /home
[13:28] <mooper> you think I could get away with less?
[13:28] <sns> flaccid: are you some sort of linux super man? knowing answers to everything :)
[13:29] <flaccid> sns: negative
[13:29] <flaccid> if i was i'd give you response straight away. but im merely googling things atm
[13:29] <kg> mooper: if you still haven't got the "trash" shortcut back onto dolphin, would you mind try typing "dolphin trash:/" in a terminal?
[13:30] <waylandbill> mooper: I have several packages for doing python development installed over and above the default ones and I'm only using 3.4GB. You could go with 4 or 5 depending on how much you're planning on installing
[13:30] <sns> flaccid: it is highly appreciated
[13:31] <flaccid> sns: at this point the first and best thing to do is nvidia beta drivers
[13:33] <sns> flaccid: alright. Where do I get them?
[13:34] <flaccid> sns: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us
[13:34] <mooper> kg, that took me to the trash folder
[13:34] <ocs__> hi. i want to buy a laptop wich has unfortunately windows vista. now: without removing vista, wich is the best way to install kubuntu together?
[13:34] <kg> lol that's good - now just right click anywhere in that folder and choose "add to places"
[13:35] <yao_ziyuan> how do i add a Quick Launch toolbar to KDE4's panel?
[13:35] <mooper> kg, I dont see add to places :(
[13:35] <mooper> kg, I recon a reboot will fix it
[13:36] <kg> not the last time my sister tried it :P
[13:36] <kg> but give it a go anyway
[13:40] <kg> ocs: assuming you're experienced in installing linux, you can manually set the partitions during install and resize vista's ntfs to give room to linux
[13:40] <yakuzi> i've an annoying problem: if i start amarok or kaffeine my pc freezes or reboots, if it freezes, the only thing that works is hit the reset button. soundcard: creative soundblaster audigy 4, graphic card: ati radeon 9600pro, cpu: amd athlon XP 3000+, 1GB ram (512 + 256 + 256) motherboard: Soltek SL-75FRN2-RL (NForce 2 chipset)
[13:41] <kg> yakuzi: does "ctrl-alt-backspace" (not delete) work?
[13:42] <ocs__> kg: resizing vista ntfs is not safe; correct me if I'm wrong
[13:42] <yakuzi> nope no reaction
[13:42] <kg> i mean when it freezes
[13:42] <kg> ocs: you're right, it's not safe, but without touching windows vista in a laptop, it's the only way
[13:42] <kg> ocs: i take it back
[13:43] <kg> ocs: i just remembered you now have something that installs linux on an ntfs partition
[13:43] <yakuzi> the system seems to be completely dead, no reaction on mouse or keyboard, no visible hdd action or whatever, it happens when i start amarok, even without doing anything else, if i just elt it start, it freezes as soon as it is loaded
[13:43] <ocs__> kg, how can i backup vista, in order to restore it if necessary ? They don't give me the installation cd....
[13:44] <kg> ocs: does it at least have a recovery partition?
[13:45] <yakuzi> *let it start, if i start a movie directly by opening the file, system freezes or reboot (all data files on ntfs partition, so movies also)
[13:45] <ocs__> kg: i dunno
[13:47] <kg> ocs: look up "wubi"
[13:47] <kg> ocs: sorry, should have given you the link :P http://wubi-installer.org/
[13:48] <sns> wow this is frustrating
[13:48] <sns> xserver that just won't DIE
[13:52] <kg> yakuzi: you in kubuntu 8.04 kde3?
[13:52] <yakuzi> yes
[13:52] <sbucat> sns: ?
[13:53] <sns> sbucat: nothing
[13:53] <flaccid> sns: ctrl+alt+bkspc
[13:53] <sns> flaccid: for install of nvidia. I figured it out anyway
[13:53] <flaccid> if it won't logout
[13:53] <sns> but Nvidia drivers want me to install something for compiling kernel
[13:53] <sns> libc something
[13:53] <flaccid> sns: yeah you cannot install the drivers in X, it must be from a tty/no X running
[13:53] <sns> doing that now
[13:53] <sns> but I got that libc stuff problem
[13:53] <flaccid> sns: yeah say yes to doing it from the net or whatever it says
[13:54] <sns> it doesn't want to do anything over net
[13:54] <flaccid> is internet connected?
[13:54] <sns> yes
[13:54] <flaccid> what is the exact error
[13:54] <kg> the libc stuff is because you need to install a few packages first
[13:54] <kg> i had that earlier today lol
[13:54] <dennister> now get aloada this issue: can't even download mini.iso or alternatecd...other pc starts downloads, then stops....constantly
[13:54] <flaccid> there are many libc messages
[13:55] <dennister> i'm pulling my hair out here :(
[13:55] <sns> No matcing precompiled kernel interface was found on the NVIDIA ftp site; this means that the installer will need to compile a kernel interface for your kernel.
[13:56] <flaccid> sns: say yes to that iirc
[13:56] <flaccid> excuse me because im stuck on ati hardware so its hard to remember
[13:56] <sns> ERROR: You do not appear to have libc header files installed on your system. PLease install your distribution's libc development package
[13:57] <flaccid> sns: ok 1sec
[13:57] <kg> sns: could it be "linux-libc-dev"?
[13:57] <sns> maybe don't ask me haha
[13:58] <sns> I installed that but same error. removed it
[13:58] <dwidmann> You'll also need linux-headers-`uname -r` sns
[13:58] <flaccid> sns: ok the only thing needed should be the package build-essential so you can build it
[13:58] <dwidmann> sns: also instead build-essential maybe
[13:58] <flaccid> sns: install that package then try again
[13:59] <flaccid> see https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/35810 for further detail
[13:59] <sns> so I need linux-libc-dev linux-headers-'uname-r', build-essentials ?
[13:59] <flaccid> sns: just install build essential which is a meta package to install the build suite
[13:59] <flaccid> build-essential sorry
[13:59] <dwidmann> and you also need to tell ubuntu not to use its drivers instead ... by modifying a l-r-m conf file of some sort, lets see, where is it
[14:00] <sns> thanks
[14:00] <flaccid> !info build-essential
[14:01] <dwidmann> sns: /etc/default/linux-restri<TAB> ... where it says 'DISABLED_MODULES=""' put 'nv'.
[14:01] <sns> dwidmann thanks
[14:01] <sns> installing build-essentials did the trick
[14:01] <sns> restarting now after installing the nvidia driver
[14:02] <kg> sns: btw, what linux kernel version are you using? i can't be too sure, but i think the latest beta driver isn't compatible with 2.6.24
[14:03] <sns> just a sec booting into kde now
[14:03] <flaccid> it will build the mod against the kernel
[14:03] <sns> I use 2.6.24.19
[14:03] <flaccid> despite being closed source
[14:05] <dennist> that does it; i'm installing gutsy clean (again!) and simply telling the user NOT to upgrade to hardy
[14:05] <sns> why am I disabling nv driver?
[14:05] <flaccid> dennist: do hardy clean?
[14:05] <dwidmann> You're disabling ubuntu's nvidia drivers, I forget the specifics, but it prevents some sort of problems
[14:05] <sns> well I did that and rebooting now
[14:05] <flaccid> sns: nv is the open driver by xorg which does not support direct rendering/3d. your card is also not recognised by either xorg or debian so the reason for beta drivers
[14:06] <kg> sns: because nv is the open source driver, where else nvidia is the closed source driver
[14:06] <dwidmann> sns: restarting X should be all you need to do
[14:06] <sns> funny thing is that the bios is able to output higher resolution than linux
[14:06] <dwidmann> flaccid: I do believe that also disables the "nvidia" driver if you installed it with the package
[14:06] <flaccid> sns: its not funny when your card is not recognised at all..
[14:06] <flaccid> dwidmann: user is installing nvidia beta drivers..
[14:06] <sns> I get that "Ubuntu is running in low graphic mode" thing when x server starts up
[14:07] <flaccid> likely because your card is 'unknown'
[14:07] <dwidmann> flaccid: exactly, and I don't know if you've ever played with it, but the ubuntu installed ones can get in the way of the ones installed with the nvidia installerk, I'm pretty sure that conf is what prevents you from having to reinstall the module everytime you restart the computer.
[14:07] <dwidmann> Which even with a shell script to automate would be tedious and a bad idea
[14:08] <flaccid> dwidmann: yeah but even if you have a glx package installed the beta driver will overwrite it
[14:08] <dwidmann> not exactly ... it gets ... confused
[14:09] <flaccid> define confused
[14:09] <sns> this is pretty difficult
[14:09] <flaccid> there can only be one nvidia.ko or whatever it is..
[14:09] <dwidmann> I forget the exact error message it will spit at you, but it has something to do with it finding an uncompatible something rather and not being able to load
[14:09] <kg> sns: what is?
[14:09] <dwidmann> It's a really fun error, but that one little entry seems to prevent it flaccid
[14:10] <sns> kg, making this work
[14:10] <dwidmann> flaccid:thus why it's in the ubuntu wiki for how to manually install with the installer from nvidia :)
[14:11] <dwidmann> Okay, naptime for me ... I have no idea why I'm so tired after slowly partaking in that much caffeine, but I'm flat out dead now.  ... maybe because it's 9am
[14:12] <flaccid> we are talking the beta drivers which is the same installer but anyway doesn't matter
[14:12] <kg> sns: it's still not working? you can't change the resolution?
[14:12]  * flaccid waits report
[14:12] <nowshining> when I created the trash icon on the desktop - the icon doesn't update, for example it shows the same icon when trash is full or not? any suggs? the panel trash worked fine... - I'm using Kubuntu 3.5.9, is this a bug?
[14:13] <sns> kg, still same thing. I am a bit unsure how xorg.conf should be as it's just a default one now
[14:13] <sns> I just want it to use the nvidia driver, and to have resolution at 1366x768
[14:13] <kg> sns: yeah, i see your point, you'
[14:14] <kg> *you're jumping through hoops to get that working
[14:14] <dwidmann> flaccid: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual
[14:14] <kg> sns: what's your xorg.conf now by the way?
[14:15] <sns> paste.ubuntu.com/28012
[14:15] <sns> I'm pretty much a dead man if I don't get it working... there are 15 other of the same hardware that all will do the same thing
[14:16] <kg> ok now
[14:16] <sns> thought nvidia was a safe bet :p
[14:16] <dwidmann> sns: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[14:16] <kg> in "Device", add "Driver "nvidia"
[14:16] <kg> or that above :P
[14:17] <sns> paste.ubuntu.com/28013 is how it looks now
[14:17] <sns> restart x?
[14:17] <dwidmann> sure
[14:18] <flaccid> sns: show new log
[14:18] <flaccid> dwidmann: that won't help. this gpu is not even in the db yet
[14:18] <flaccid> let me have a look ok
[14:18] <dwidmann> flaccid: wow, it's too shiny for its own good then
[14:18] <sns> flaccid: what was the log file again
[14:19] <nowshining> oh n/m
[14:19] <flaccid> sns: that xorg.conf is fine. yes please show us the log in pastebin now...
[14:19] <nowshining> i fixed it
[14:19] <nowshining> :)
[14:19] <sns> flaccid: yes I will do that once I remember what file it was I was supposed to paste
[14:20] <flaccid> sns: /var/log/Xorg.0.log please
[14:20] <sns> paste.ubuntu.com/28015
[14:20] <flaccid> keep in mind the monitor may also not show up with its EDID
[14:21] <flaccid> thank you
[14:21] <flaccid> brb
[14:21] <yakuzi> ok it reboots when i try to play a movie, it freezes when i want to play music but: my audigy 4 is working, because i've sound at boot and i can test sound in the system settings
[14:22] <flaccid> sns: give me a few minutes please
[14:23] <sns> flaccid all good
[14:23] <sns> brb
[14:23] <flaccid> sns: please edit your xorg.conf and change driver to nvidia. its probably still set on vesa because of not recognised etc.
[14:23] <sns> doing
[14:23] <yakuzi> is it possible it has something to do with the ati restricted drivers? (i've 8.47.3 but with a newer version i had the same problem (altough at that time i was trying to get dual head to work with different resolutions and refreshrates so maybe that caused it then))
[14:24] <sns> it says device0 on identifier and nvidia on driver
[14:25] <kg> sns: that should be right
[14:25] <dwidmann> sns: in the future, yes, nvidia is a good bet, but it's an even better bet if it's 6 months old
[14:26] <kg> dwidmann: i thought nvidia was a good bet in the past, and now ATI is becoming a better bet
[14:27] <Tm_T> kg: becoming, but isn't yet IIRC
[14:27] <dwidmann> kg: that's what I've heard too, it seems AMD is finally shaping them up to be linux friendly.
[14:27] <kg> sns: did you restart the X server after running the xconfig thing by the way?
[14:27] <sns> kg, yep
[14:27] <dwidmann> kg: if they keep up their progress I know one extra sale they'll be getting :)
[14:29] <kg> dwidmann: don't mean to rant, but it's been half a year since i had the 8800GT, and the 2d acceleration is still lacking... to top it off i keep hearing people telling me how ATI open sourced drivers rock in both 3d and 2d now lol
[14:29] <flaccid> sns: so let us know how you go once driver is set to nvidia in xorg.conf and you have restarted X
[14:29] <sns> it was already sat to nvidia
[14:29] <flaccid> kg: beta drivers :) i bought my housemate 9600GT and required beta drivers
[14:29] <flaccid> not according to the log sns
[14:30] <kg> flaccid: i'm using beta drivers. it's still slow lol
[14:30] <sns> paste.ubuntu.com/28018
[14:30] <flaccid> kg: there is a report about the low fps and why i can't remember what but
[14:30] <kg> flaccid: to top it off it's unstable with all the "suggested options" in the kde wiki page
[14:30] <sns> that's what my xorg.conf file says
[14:30] <dwidmann> I'm getting at the least, pretty good, performance with my 8600gt
[14:30] <flaccid> give me a few seconds
[14:31] <kg> flaccid: btw sns did change the xorg... i'm guessing because the links aren't highlighted you may have missed them (sns: add http:// next time :P)
[14:31] <flaccid> sns: you need to add  Driver      "nvidia"    to Section "Device" then restart X
[14:32] <flaccid> kg: im still seeing VESA in the pasted logs...
[14:32] <kg> http://paste.ubuntu.com/28013
[14:32] <sns> flaccid: but ... it's there
[14:32] <flaccid> and the pastebin before that showed no driver in section device which would revert to vesa...
[14:32] <kg> flaccid: i know, me too, which is bizarre
[14:33] <kg> dwjdmann: that's because you're still using qt3 (or qt4 with no acceleration) :P
[14:33] <flaccid> could be because of (--) PCI:*(0:16:0) nVidia Corporation unknown chipset (0x07e0) rev 162, Mem @ 0xfd000000/24, 0xd0000000/28, 0xfc000000/24, BIOS @ 0xfea40000/17
[14:33] <flaccid> sns: google nvidia 7150 ubuntu and see what other people have done
[14:34] <flaccid> also reboot and try again if you didn't do that already
[14:34] <sns> flaccid: will reboot and google
[14:34] <sns> thanks
[14:34] <flaccid> i have to entertain guests
[14:34] <flaccid> good luck
[14:34] <dwidmann> kg: well, it ran quake4 acceptably, so I was happy?
[14:35] <kg> dwidmann: lol of course it'll run quake4 great - nvidia has still one of the best 3d drivers... i was referring to 2d acceleration, which is a completely different thing
[14:36] <dwidmann> and which I have considerably less interest in .... I actually get pretty good preformance when I set kwin to use xrender IIRC, then again, it has been a while, seeing as I can't productively use KDE4 due to multi-head issues
[14:38] <kg> dwidmann: good for you then ;) i'm just sad that my powerful 8800gt can't handle a window manager lol
[14:39] <dwidmann> kg: bugs whcih are quite likely being addressed, seeing as they're quite high profile lately
[14:39] <flaccid> beta drivers can do 8600 and 88000 pretty good from what other users have reported
[14:40] <flaccid> my housemate plays WoW on wine with 9600gt nvidia and the beta drivers
[14:40] <kg> i'
[14:40] <kg> *i'm using the 177 beta drivers now - it IS faster than before (thank god), but it's still not smooth as some of the older ATI cards i've seen
[14:41] <kg> plus remember that 3d accel and 2d accel are two different things - nvidia excels in 3d accel, but performs worse than most cards on 2d
[14:42] <flaccid> thats all arguable
[14:43] <kg> which bit, the ATI faster in 2d bit, or good 3d bad 2d bit?
[14:43] <flaccid> all of it
[14:45] <kg> well, in that case i'm just saying on my system specifically, the latest nvidia drivers is still too jerky for my taste, especially considering it's a high-ish end card
[14:47] <yakuzi> anyone has any idea what can cause amarok to freeze the whole system and kaffeine make reboot it? because i've no idea anymore what i can do to solve it
[14:48] <yakuzi> at first i tought it was due to the 2 soundcards in my pc: on board AC97 and an creative soundblaster audigy 4, so i disabled the ac97 in the BIOS, problem is still there
[14:52] <kg> yakuzi: do other players give the same problem? i.e. vlc, or mplayer
[14:54] <yakuzi> i just installed a tool for setting the default soundcard...there i've the choice between audigy 2 and uart, and i know the card is an audigy4, but, kinfocenter tells me i've an audigy 4 so maybe that is a part of the problem, i just installed mplayer know, i'll test and let you know
[14:55] <sns> I really am stuck. Google doesn't give me any good answers. Can't vesa driver give me the proper resolutions?
[14:57] <kg> sns: have you given envyng a go? it might help
[14:58] <kg> sns: i didn't realise nvidia's still producing new 7XXX series models... unless it's an old model which the kernel still hasn't supported?
[14:59] <yakuzi> mplayer gives sound but no video (after some erros i couldn't read), kmplayer reboots the system, maybe i should install a newer ati driver? but how...i've the .run file but i can't run it
[14:59] <sns> kg, it's a built in thing on a intel mobo
[14:59] <yakuzi> *errors
[15:00] <kg> sns: ouch, i feel you... google really yielded nothing? lemme try for a few mins
[15:01] <sns> nothing that I was able to use to help myself
[15:02] <sns> trying envyng
[15:03] <kg> sns: hmm that's weird, other people using nforce mobos don't have problems with xorg recognizing the card
[15:03] <sns> I am trying to use it with a hdtv
[15:03] <sns> can that cause problems?
[15:03] <sns> it's over vga port
[15:03] <sns> restarting pc after envyng now
[15:03] <kg> i doubt that - it's not like it's using a different signal on vga
[15:04] <sns> let's see what the reboot does
[15:04] <sns> well this is new
[15:04] <sns> "out of range" it says on my screen now
[15:05] <kg> yakuzi: sorry, i don't have much experience in installing ATI drivers, but i believe there's lots of pages with detailed explanations on the forum - maybe someone here know the link?
[15:05] <kg> sns: do you have a standard computer monitor to try?
[15:06] <amok47> how to conect to german servers_
[15:06] <sns> kg; nope. sorry :(
[15:06] <Pici> !de | amok47
[15:06] <kg> sns: it sounds like it's trying to use a refresh rate unsupported by your hdtv
[15:06] <amok47> !de
[15:06] <flaccid> sns: thats likely the EDID problem with your monitor
[15:06] <amok47> thx
[15:06] <amok47> !de
[15:06] <sns> flaccid: how do I solve an EDID problem with my monitor?
[15:07] <Pici> amok47: Just see what ubottu said.
[15:07] <nandan> hey
[15:07] <nandan> iam anew user
[15:08] <nandan> how do i install tar.gz file
[15:08] <kg> sns: what's the model of your hdtv? i gotta feeling it involves you manually specifying refresh rates and resolutions in xorg.conf...
[15:08] <sns> kg, it's a HANNspree 32" LCD-TV Xv32, 1366 x 768 HD-ready,HDMI,1000:1,8ms
[15:09] <kg> nandan: what's the nature of the item you're installing? is it a debian package, or a source code of a program, etc?
[15:10] <sns> well ... I'm reinstalling
[15:10] <nandan> debian package i think
[15:10] <nandan> i downloaded firefox-3.0
[15:10] <gnumm> how do i change the size of the kde4 panel?
[15:11] <genii> nandan: Firefox 3 is already in the repositories
[15:11] <genii> nandan: You can install it through Add/Remove programs
[15:11] <nandan> ok
[15:12] <flaccid> sns: lots on google. sorry i can't help atm
[15:12] <nandan> genii
[15:12] <nandan> genii:gimme a minute
[15:12] <flaccid> sns: googling with the actual errors from the log should help. iirc its extra directivesin xorg.conf to skip EDID detection
[15:13] <sns> flaccid: will do thanks
[15:13] <nandan> genii:how do i go to repositories
[15:13] <kg> sns: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xorg_HDTV
[15:13] <minhaaj> how do you run .sh file for staroffice ?
[15:13] <minhaaj> i am on hardy and downloaded staroffice 8 and it won't run
[15:13] <minhaaj> i have changed permissions and made the file executable
[15:14] <kg> sns: just curious, what driver version did envyng install in the end?
[15:14] <flaccid> minhaaj: cd to the directory where it is in konsole and run sh ./staroffice.sh
[15:14] <sns> the one with the highest number
[15:14] <minhaaj> file has a long name it isn't staroffice.sh
[15:14] <sns> I am reinstalling now to avoid all the small things we tried
[15:14] <kg> sns: it's either 177, 173, or 169 :P
[15:14] <flaccid> minhaaj: run it with sh or chmod +x on the script
[15:15] <minhaaj> hm ok
[15:15] <kg> sns: depending on a couple of factors, the highest number could be either one of them
[15:15] <flaccid> sns: reinstalling won't help considering it was never in the db
[15:15] <genii> nandan: K-button ... Add/Remove Programs...   put in then the usual password for your user. Then type in the Search window there "firefox web browser"
[15:15] <sns> flaccid: I know that. Just reinstalling because I lost overview in all changes here and there that people suggested me to do
[15:16] <flaccid> sure
[15:16] <sns> kg, 177
[15:17] <yakuzi> hah, mplayer works now (after some preference changes like sounddriver and video device)
[15:17] <kg> yakuzi: lol well done - sorry i wasn't much help
[15:17] <yakuzi> well, i'm sure amarok is still freezing :p
[15:18] <kg> yakuzi: maybe you need to play around with the audio backends as well to get it working?
[15:18] <kg> yakuzi: i.e. amarok's settings
[15:18] <yakuzi> it freezes before i can click anything, as soon as it's started it freezes the system
[15:19] <minhaaj> The download file appears to be corrupted.  Please refer
[15:19] <minhaaj> to the Troubleshooting section of the Installation
[15:19] <minhaaj> Instructions on the download page for more information.
[15:19] <minhaaj> Please do not attempt to install this archive file.
[15:19] <minhaaj> thats what i got flaccid
[15:19] <flaccid> !pastebin | minhaaj
[15:20] <minhaaj> ok sorry next time
[15:20] <flaccid> minhaaj: maybe it didn't d/l properly or something
[15:20] <minhaaj> it did
[15:20] <minhaaj> it completed. i tried to run it before too. it went somewhere in /var/tmp/unpack
[15:20] <flaccid> see startoffice support i guess minhaaj
[15:20] <minhaaj> if its the case, do i have to go to that directory and run the file ?
[15:20] <nandan_> my adept manager is not workin
[15:20] <kg> yakuzi: are you using a fresh install of 8.04 by the way? it seems like hardy really doesn't like your hardware combination
[15:21] <yakuzi> yup fresh install
[15:21] <nandan_> can ne 1 help
[15:21] <sns> Maybe nv driver will help? instead of official nvidia. Don't need 3d or anything of that
[15:21] <kg> sns: it would help *IF* it was in the database :P
[15:21] <flaccid> sns: won't help because of the detection
[15:22] <flaccid> let me look on google
[15:22] <kg> sns: hey, did you try that EDID thing flaccid suggested?
[15:22] <nandan_> kg:tell me how can i access the repositories
[15:22] <sns> kg, nope, I am reinstalling as we speak
[15:22] <kg> nandan: what happens when you launch adept?
[15:23] <flaccid> reinstall won't help
[15:23] <jussi01> someone remind me how to start the xrandr tray program?
[15:23] <sns> flaccid: I know. But at least it will remove any errors that can happen because of previous attempts of fixing it
[15:23] <nandan_> kg:the APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[15:23] <kg> sns: ahh i see, no wonder... well when you're done, you'll still need to go through the envyng step again, then make your xorg.conf look like http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xorg_HDTV
[15:23] <kaminix> If kaffeine 0.8.7 gives no hits in Ubuntu/Overiview on Launchpad, does that mean I should file a bug report if I want it packaged?
[15:23] <flaccid> sns: well unless you had other errors i didn't see any
[15:24] <nandan_> kg:it shows the above message
[15:24] <flaccid> sns: it could be as simple as adding Option "UseEDID" "False" to your driver section of xorg.conf
[15:24] <sns> flaccid: I'm optimistic to trying these things
[15:24] <kg> flaccid: i think sns wants the cleanest setup possible seeing how he's setting up a couple of computers for his employers/clients
[15:25] <flaccid> kg: xorg will revert to low resolution when it can't use the edid in detection..
[15:25] <yakuzi> indeed, amarok keeps freezng my system, and mplayer isn't totaly ok...sometimes i still get an error (when i try to change to volume, but it's not always)
[15:25] <flaccid> ie. the hdtv connected to port 0
[15:26] <sns> kg, you got the right idea. making a pretty simple kiosk setup... but the client is a bit "crazy" on the hardware side
[15:26] <nandan_> kg:any idea
[15:27] <kg> flaccid: i know you're busy, but that link i posted kinda does what you suggested :)
[15:28] <flaccid> kg: the problem is at the driver level thus disabling the EDID detection. see how it has       Option          "IgnoreEDID" to over-ride the default. this is the same concept but the monitor should still be plug and play and not require extra directives which is simpler from the URL you pasted
[15:28] <kg> nandan: have you tried running "apt-setup" and "apt-get update" in the terminal?
[15:30] <kg> flaccid: ohh, so without EDID the card can still detect the modes of the monitor automatically, i kinda assumed it has to be manually defined without EDID
[15:30] <genii> nandan: Was the computer online originally when you installed (k)ubuntu to it? If not then it has a blank list of repositories
[15:32] <nandan_> kg:yes
[15:33] <sns> well I got that 3d stuff working
[15:33] <nandan_> kg: they do not work
[15:33] <sns> so that must mean that the drivers are ok?
[15:33] <kg> nandan: what was the error message?
[15:33] <bipolar> I need to write a udev rule for a sierra wireless USB GSM internet device. I need to link /dev/sierra to the first endpoint on the device. Anyone know how to do that?
[15:33] <yakuzi> maybe it's the xine engine i need to set to use alsa as output...but how do i configure xinee without having to open amarok as it freezes my system....
[15:33] <nandan_> kg:command not found
[15:34] <kg> sns: if opengl is running, then yes, nvidia drivers are working
[15:34] <sns> wobbling windows equals working opengl?
[15:34] <flaccid> kg: yeah it should go to native resoultion, otherwise it will report a different error
[15:35] <flaccid> sns: yep
[15:35] <kg> sns: yes
[15:35] <sns> so this means I am one step closer to not getting fired? :p
[15:36] <flaccid> fired hmmm :o
[15:36] <kg> sns: well done by the way - that was a lot faster than before :P now do the EDID thing flaccid suggested
[15:36] <flaccid> yeah its heaps frequent with new nvidia
[15:37] <sns> kg, if my boss has bought 10 terminals that aren't doing what they are supposed to do because I can't configure them, I do believe my job is at the line
[15:37] <kg> nandan: hmm it appears that there is no such thing as apt-setup - must have been renamed or something...
[15:38] <kg> nandan: you mind pasting the contents of your "/etc/apt/sources.list" into pastebin?
[15:38] <flaccid> sns: what is your glxinfo | grep -i render ?
[15:39] <kg> btw can people who just joined the room see the earlier messages?
[15:40] <sns> edid thing did not do the trick
[15:40] <flaccid> !log
[15:40] <flaccid> sns: pastebin current Xorg log
[15:40] <sns> it's Geforce 7150 / Nvidia nForce 630i/PCI/SSE2
[15:41] <christian> Hi - anyone here that can answer a question about kdevelop documentation / toc files?
[15:41] <trem_> hi
[15:41] <trem_> can someone tell me what the xorg.conf has been replaced with?
[15:41] <trem_> this is.. rather.. frustrating
[15:41] <sns> http://paste.ubuntu.com/28031
[15:42] <kg> trem: what do you mean exactly, replaced?
[15:42] <gnumm> kg: lokk int he xorg.conf, you will see ;)
[15:42] <gnumm> *look
[15:42] <trem_> my xorg.conf seems to be useless now
[15:42] <christian> my xorg.conf looks normal
[15:42] <trem_> and google suggests xrand is being used
[15:43] <trem_> christian:  are you using 8.04?
[15:43] <christian> yes
[15:43] <flaccid> sns: please pastebin xrandr -q
[15:43] <gnumm> the xorg.conf is shorter now
[15:43] <flaccid> sns: actually xrandr -q | cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[15:43] <christian> rest is autoconfig
[15:43] <trem_> so.. how do i go about putting in modes that it wasn't able to detect?
[15:44] <christian> like ever before: man xorg.conf ;-)
[15:44] <trem_> uh
[15:44] <christian> what mode?
[15:44] <trem_> different resolutions
[15:44] <christian> which ones?
[15:44] <trem_> i've gote mode "1920x1440"
[15:44] <trem_> got*
[15:44] <sns> brb sorry
[15:45] <trem_> added to the  subsuction "display" ... ..   just like it has always been.. this is actually an old config from 7.10
[15:46] <trem_> older ...
[15:46] <christian> trem_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/28032/
[15:47] <trem_> christian:pretty much identical
[15:47] <christian> which driver? nvidia?ati?
[15:48] <trem_> its dropping to 1600x1200 everytime, kcontrol peripheral  says 1600x1200 max ... nvidia does bump it up but it doesn't stick
[15:48] <trem_> -settings
[15:48] <christian> so you have nvidia
[15:48] <trem_> no i have ati
[15:49] <Pici> Why are you using nvidia-settings then?
[15:49] <christian> maybe this helps you:
[15:49] <christian> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4851673
[15:49] <christian> Aunt google...
[15:50] <christian> oooops - ati sorry.
[15:55] <araceli> question please
[15:56] <Tm_T> araceli: was?
[15:56] <mooper> hi, where can I get help for dolphin?
[15:57] <Tm_T> mooper: depends what help you need
[15:57] <mooper> kg, reboot didnt fix it :(
[15:57] <yakuzi> kaffeine works now too...because i changed the xine engine to use alsa instead of something else, now, maybe that works too for amarok, if i can configure xine to use alsa without having to start amarok
[15:57] <Tm_T> !helpme | mooper
[15:57] <mooper> Tm_T: I have managed to delete trash from dolphin
[15:57] <mooper> !bugger off | Tm_T!!!!!!!
[15:57] <mooper> :(
[15:57] <incorrect> hello, how can i set firefox to be the default browser?
[15:58] <Tm_T> mooper: nownow
[15:58] <pag> mooper, you mean the link to the trashfolder?
[15:58] <Tm_T> mooper: you mean you deleted trash icon?
[15:58] <kg> mooper: try that "add to places" thing again
[15:58] <mooper> yup
[15:58] <kg> mooper: you must have right-clicked on the wrong area
[15:58] <mooper> kg, I dont get that come up
[15:58] <mooper> I miss konqueror
[15:59] <kg> mooper: try it at various parts of dolphin... it should appear in one of the right clicks, i swear
[15:59] <kg> mooper: of course, you should do it with the trash open
[16:00] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[16:00] <mooper> kg, its not the same
[16:01] <kg> mooper: what isn't the same?
[16:01] <mooper> It doesn't get the empty trash options
[16:01] <mooper> the trash link was special, but its all so easy to delete it!
[16:01] <kg> mooper: now that's interesting... do you at least have the trash icon next to the address bar?
[16:02] <mooper> kg, yessum the drop down box with all the saves places in there
[16:02] <kg> mooper, "trash:/" is like a service - i don't think you can delete it that easily!
[16:02] <mooper> becasue I put it there and set the icon to be a trash can
[16:03] <mooper> kg, sure, but the link to it and the functionality round it are so fragile
[16:03] <kg> mooper: hmm what version of kde are you using?
[16:04] <mooper> 3
[16:04] <mooper> its a standard 8.04 install
[16:04] <BluesKaj> thinking of an cheap Nvidia graphics card for my pc . Do I have to change the deafult onboard ati card in the BIOS peripherals to the new NVidia , like one needs to with pci soundcards ?
[16:04] <mooper> kg:
[16:04] <mooper> I think I may
[16:04] <kg> mooper: sorry i meant to ask if you updated it to the latest dolphin and stuff
[16:05] <mooper> have got to the bottom
[16:05] <kg> mooper: if you tried opening "trash:/" in konqueror, do you have "empty trash can" and other things like that?
[16:06] <mooper> It all works fine in konqueror
[16:06] <genii> BluesKaj: Most bios allow for either onboard or first external card to be used as primary display
[16:08] <kg> mooper: yeah it's probably a dolphin thing - the kde4 version works fine
[16:08] <kg> mooper: bookmark it in konqueror and you'll be fine
[16:10] <kg> mooper: also, you should be able to add a Trash applet in your panel - just right click and choose "add applet"
[16:10] <araceli> help please
[16:10] <kg> mooper: if you want something on the desktop, you can right-click on the desktop and "create new link", where the link points to "trash:/"
[16:11] <kg> mooper: hopefully that's enough alternative for you? lol
[16:11] <mooper> :) TA DUDE
[16:11] <mooper> whoops
[16:11] <mooper> ta dude
[16:11] <kg> aracelli: what's up? (next time just ask what help you need right away) ;)
[16:12] <mooper> Its not really a problem for me, but for less technically minded idiots
[16:13] <david_> It says in digicam that it has a flickr export plugin but I see no way of accessing it does anyone know how to do this?
[16:16] <BluesKaj> ok thx genii, so I can just choose the default card to be first in the biossequence
[16:16] <genii> Usually yeah
[16:20] <BluesKaj> genii: cool :)
[16:26] <sns> Well. Now opengl works. How do I set the correct resolution?
[16:27] <kg> sns: wasn't it working before?
[16:28] <sns> kg, nope. it identified incorrectly, sort of a not in database deal
[16:28] <sns> now I just need the resolution
[16:29] <kg> sns: tried the IDED thing?
[16:31] <sns> kg, yep
[16:31] <Tm_T> Guest81530: hi
[16:32] <kg> sns: well if that didn't work, maybe you might want to incrementally try things at http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xorg_HDTV
[16:33] <sns> I will. thanks
[16:33] <Jabop> in cron, is there a way to execute a bash script without prepending sh to the command?
[16:33] <kg> sns: sorry i'm not as useful as flaccid... i have no experience with the IDED deal
[16:33] <kg> *EDID lol i guess i kinda proved the point
[16:33] <sns> kg, that's okay. any help is good help :)
[16:34] <kg> don't worry about the identifiers in all of the sections - only worry abuot the options
[16:35] <kg> any *name stuff doesn't affect anything as well
[16:36] <yakuzi> HAH i got amarok working :) i had to change ~/.kde/config/amarokrc and add some lines so that audio engine is xine and xine has to use alsa...
[16:36] <yakuzi> now i've to find a way to make sure i always have 5.1 enabled....(kmix seems to forget it sometimes? or maybe with the defautl soundcard app...)
[16:40] <kg> yakuzi: wow, i've never had the need to edit amarokrc before - just curious, what's the combination of your soundcard hardware?
[16:42] <yakuzi> well i've an NForce2 motherboard with ac97 sound on board (i disabled it already but it didn't help) i mostly use a creative soundblaster audigy 4 with 5.1 speakers on it, but it seems i had to choose alsa in kcontrol aswell as in system settings, and then in kaffeine as well as in amarok i had to convince xine to use alsa
[16:42] <yakuzi> now the big work of adding all info to my music files can start :p
[16:45] <kg> yakuzi: that's the easy part - just tell amarok to look in a folder and go to sleep :P
[16:46] <yakuzi> no...the extra info like artists etc...most of my files don't have album stuff etc bad habbit from in windows while using winamp
[16:49] <kg> yakuzi: ahhh... i hope you're not like my friend who has 60gigs of music!
[16:49] <yakuzi> 17.9 :s
[16:50] <yakuzi> but, the good music is "only" 10.5 the rest is to be determind...
[16:51] <klerfayt> oh my I only got 8.7
[16:51] <yakuzi> i put many of my cd's on my pc...
[16:52] <kg> and i 16 gigs - akthough, the first and only time i did my "major reorganization of all my music" was when it was only 12 gigs
[16:52] <kg> the time i've spent doing that was no joke
[16:53] <kg> so when my friend asked me about his 60 gigs of unorganised music, i told him to give himself a month :P
[16:53] <yakuzi> lol
[16:53] <ubuntu_> hi
[16:53] <klerfayt> yeah it's easier if you got system thought out from the beginning
[16:55] <sns> apt-get wife-back
[16:59] <kg> sns: so, what's up? you gonna get to keep your job?
[16:59] <sns> kg, I don't know yet. Working on trying the things in that link
[16:59] <sns> Have until tomorrow morning to have the base computer up and running haha so I'm a bit stressed
[17:00] <kg> sns: how many times have you restarted the x-server since you last tried it? lol
[17:00] <kg> sns: anyway, post your log from time to time
[17:00] <sns> like 10-15
[17:00] <sns> will do
[17:00] <kg> sns: what time issit there?
[17:00] <sns> 18
[17:02] <Guest87037> hi all
[17:02] <kg> sns: do you have the place the whole night till it's due? you know, just in case it's gonna end up an all-nighter
[17:03] <Guest87037> i can't find folderview
[17:03] <sns> kg, yeah I have access all night
[17:03] <Guest87037> im using kde 4.1 rc1
[17:04] <KomiaPoika> hi
[17:04] <KomiaPoika> what apt source do i need to be able to apt-get install truecrypt? or should i install from source?
[17:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> !truecrypt
[17:05] <lesergi> hello!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[17:07] <KomiaPoika> Daisuke_Laptop: i can't even sudo apt-get install truecrypt... it can't be found in my sources
[17:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> so... go the the site and see what it says?  i haven't looked yet
[17:07] <kg> sns: i'm still waiting for the next log in pastebin :P
[17:07] <pag> !info truecrypt
[17:09] <sns> http://paste.ubuntu.com/28058 that's my current status
[17:10] <KomiaPoika> Daisuke_Laptop: it explains how to make a partition after you install the package... but i need a package source in the first place
[17:10] <KomiaPoika> pag: :( :(
[17:10] <_CrashMaster_> Only thing I can find in the repos is EasyCrypt, a gui front end for truecrypt
[17:11] <KomiaPoika> yes but it wont start because truecrypt won't install
[17:12] <_CrashMaster_> truecrypt.org has a prebuilt .deb file. Tried installing that?
[17:13] <kg> sns: what does your hdtv show when you boot with that log file? (btw, can i see your xorg.conf too?)]
[17:15] <sns> it shows the desktop in 640x480
[17:16] <sns> http://paste.ubuntu.com/28060
[17:16] <KomiaPoika> _CrashMaster_: no but let me
[17:18] <kg> sns: weird, line 421 of your log tried to use EDID, despite the option to NOT use it
[17:18] <sns> rather strange indeed :/
[17:19] <gnumm> #/join kubuntu-kde4
[17:20] <_CrashMaster_> Why can I ping a box on my network by hostname in windows, but not in linux?
[17:21] <pag> _CrashMaster_, box's IP and hostname isn't in /etc/hosts ?
[17:22] <_CrashMaster_> pag: I have to map it? But what if it's dynamic/
[17:23] <_CrashMaster_> which is the point of a hostname anyway
[17:24] <pag> _CrashMaster_, thb I don't know – the only time I had to configure a network I also got to play with static IP's
[17:24] <_CrashMaster_> Eh, I just don't feel like dealing with static IP's on all these machines. Rather just reference them by their hostnames.
[17:25] <_CrashMaster_> Wonder if I need NetBIOS running on the linux machine or something
[17:26] <kg> sns: hey
[17:26] <kg> sns: i think i know what's the problem with your last xorg.conf, assuming you haven't fixed it
[17:27] <kg> sns: change you "Identifier" in "Monitor" back to "Configured Monitor"
[17:28] <sns> kg, will do
[17:28] <kg> sns: identifier is like a label, and the "Screen" section tries to find the monitor with that identifier
[17:28] <kg> sns: so it usually doesn't matter what the identifier is, as long as it's consistent throughout the file
[17:28] <emons> hi ivegot amarok and it always crashes, any idea why? i run it and because ivegot smth like 30.000 songs it crashes and crashes how can i fix that? if fixable
[17:29] <sns> well that did something new
[17:29] <kg> sns: cool - what's the new log?
[17:29] <sns> kind of difficult to get it out without messing up something
[17:30] <sns> x is now out of range
[17:30] <kg> sns: well i guess at least that means it's trying out the settings in the monitor
[17:30] <kg> "
[17:31] <sns> yeah trying to restart x now
[17:31] <sns> giving you log in a sec
[17:31] <kg> sns: maybe the log might help... but i'm hoping it means you only need to find the correct modes
[17:31] <werner_> hallo
[17:32] <sns> http://paste.ubuntu.com/28064
[17:35] <sns> "out of range"
[17:35] <sns> brb
[17:36] <came0> hey guys... I have a dual monitor setup now, if I add a second video card will ubuntu support 4 monitors?
[17:36] <kg> sns: in the log, read line 400 - 420 - i think it will help you lots
[17:38] <ncfi1013_> how do i burn a regular dvd in k3b
[17:39] <ncfi1013_> but in regular dvd format, not video dvd or data dvd formats
[17:43] <kg> sns: this is a long shot, but maybe you want to change --Option "IgnoreEDID"-- to --Option "UseEDID" "FALSE"-- in the monitor section, and remove it from the device section
[17:43] <sns> kg, I am going to read about modelines first. Because I think that is key
[17:44] <kg> sns: also, in device, add --Option "ConnectedMonitor" "DFP"--
[17:44] <kg> sns: lastly, in Screen section add the SubSection "Display" as shown in http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xorg_HDTV#Screen_Section
[17:45] <sns> kg, trying
[17:45] <kg> sns: of course, i do think the modelines are important too... keep me posted once you've tried something
[17:48] <kg> brb shower
[17:48] <gnumm> when i remove packages with adept, does adept use the --purge option?
[17:51] <emons> hi guys how do i visualise hidden files?
[17:54] <ncfi1013_> where can i find tutorials to help me create a directory structure on a dvd that i would like to burn in k3b that is not a video/data dvd
[17:58] <sns> kg, this file does something to my thing. Can you help me adjust it so that it becomes correct? http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/xorg.conf-HD.txt
[18:02] <sns> http://paste.ubuntu.com/28068 current log
[18:04] <kg> back
[18:05] <kg> sns: hey your latest log is using the failsafe file
[18:06] <sns> kg, alright looking into it
[18:06] <kg> sns: can you post your xorg.conf as well?
[18:08] <katswaio> Hi.
[18:09] <kg> sns: btw, it may be 1900 there, but it's 0300 here :P so i might need to hit the sack soon
[18:09] <sns> that's alright
[18:09] <sns> you've been extremely helpful
[18:10] <kg> sns: lol well i'm not giving up yep - i'm just saying "hurry" lol
[18:10] <katswaio> I was looking on the apport home page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport and it seems to be a pretty useful project.
[18:10] <katswaio> however I don't remember seeing the frontend on kubuntu when I get crashes
[18:10] <sns> http://paste.ubuntu.com/28070
[18:11] <katswaio> does it work on kubuntu?
[18:11] <sns> http://paste.ubuntu.com/28071 xorg.conf
[18:11] <kg> sns: still using the failsafe file - what's the current xorg.conf like?
[18:11] <khajex> yo, when i switch layouts, it changes the whole keyboard map, and i cant use my default key-bindings/shortcuts.. any idea how to resolve this?
[18:11] <kg> sns: lol thanks
[18:12] <K350> I want a good wordprocessor that's smaller then openoffice.org-write, any sugtgestions?
[18:12] <sns> kword
[18:12] <kg> sns: if your identifier in "Monitor" is "Monitor0", then you need to change it accordingly in "Screen"
[18:13] <sns> ahh again
[18:14] <sns> thanks
[18:15] <sns> http://paste.ubuntu.com/28072
[18:16] <sns> http://paste.ubuntu.com/28074
[18:16] <kg> sns: try this too http://paste.ubuntu.com/28074
[18:16] <kg> sns: whoops, i meant this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/28073/
[18:17] <sns> trying
[18:17] <kg> sns: aww shucks, wait a second before trying
[18:18] <sns> isn't it possible to just type 1366x768 @ 60 hertz or something?
[18:19] <kg> sns: http://paste.ubuntu.com/28075/
[18:19] <kg> sns: well, if it was possible, wouldn't it have worked much earlier on??
[18:19] <sns> I guess
[18:19] <sns> 800x600
[18:20] <kg> sns: it's not really a panasonic monitor issit? lol
[18:20] <sns> It's a Hannspree one
[18:20] <sns> since we couldn't get hold off regular Samsung 32" monitors
[18:20] <sns> they bought hdtvs
[18:21] <kg> sns: well don't worry about it - the name doesn't matter
[18:21] <kg> sns: 960x540p? i just noticed that - does your monitor really have that mode?
[18:22] <sns> It's 1080i only in a different take
[18:22] <sns> It's a regular 1080i HDTV. Just give me widescreen resolution and I'll be happy :'(
[18:23] <sns> Still haven't had time customizing this because I can't make the screen right haha
[18:24] <sns> Any 16:9 resolution will do for me at this point..
[18:24] <katswaio> anyone knows how to enable apport in kubuntu?
[18:25] <kg> sns: well, i believe "Screen>Display>Modes" must exist in "Monitor>Mode"... so you might still need to modify from http://paste.ubuntu.com/28075/ (providing you're trying it)
[18:26] <sns> I did try it
[18:26] <kg> log?
[18:26] <sns> sec
[18:27] <werner_> hi
[18:27] <sns> http://paste.ubuntu.com/28079
[18:29] <kg> sns: damn it's still using the failsafe -- can i see the xorg.conf again?
[18:29] <emons> guys amarok doesn't let me copy any music on the ipod it says copying failed
[18:29] <emons> why?
[18:30] <sns> http://paste.ubuntu.com/28080
[18:31] <kg> sns: do you have any idea why X keep using the failsafe file? are you booting into failsafe mode?
[18:31] <sns> http://www.grabnotes.com/gentoo/xorg.html - kg - maybe this is helpful?
[18:31] <sns> kg, not relly. I can reboot
[18:32] <kg> sns: please do - keep an eye open to find out why it refuses to read from xorg.conf... it doesn't even complain in the log
[18:32] <sns> that's rather strange. rebooting now
[18:32] <sns> hey now it's messing with me
[18:32] <sns> rebooted
[18:33] <sns> I think I was in failsafe mode. Sorry about that
[18:33] <kg> sns: LOL
[18:33] <kg> sns: well ok, at least we know now
[18:33] <kg> sns: so what's the new log?
[18:34] <sns> give me a min
[18:34] <sns> Let's take this from scratch. If I can get a VESA resolution that is 16:9 I'd be more than happy
[18:34] <sns> I just need it to be the right resolution for the monitor
[18:35] <kg> in that case
[18:35] <kg> gimme a sec while i compose an xorg.conf for it
[18:35] <sns> Time is an issue here and I just need something that looks halfway decent for my boss
[18:36] <sns> then I can sneak around and try fixing it at a later time
[18:36] <sns> :)
[18:37] <kg> sns: in the end they still give us the modeline thing - you seen this yet? http://sh.nu/nvidia/gtf.php
[18:37] <sns> kg, I've seen it but got no idea what to do with it
[18:38] <danilo_> ciao
[18:38] <kg> what's your resolution again?
[18:39] <danilo_> no speak englis
[18:39] <sns> 1366x768, but I'll be fine with any lower 16:9 resolution too
[18:39] <kg> refresh @ 60?
[18:39] <sns> yep
[18:40] <kg> alright i got your modeline - gimme a sec
[18:40] <katswaio> !it | danilo_
[18:40] <sns> I don't understand how any blu ray player, xbox, ps3, upscaling dvd player, etc, can do this without any hassle. ... must be some sort of standard for HDTV's.
[18:41] <kg> yep, i'm guessing hdtvs and computer monitors speak different languages
[18:42] <sns> most likely yeah
[18:43] <dwidmann> sns: try adding Option "DDC" "no" to the device section of your xorg.conf?
[18:43] <bleaked> i recently installed kubuntu on a friend's pc who lives out in the country where there is no network access.  i'm going out there today and would like to update his computer, specifically MP3 and other multimedia packages, as well as any necessary apps or package updates.  what would be the most elegant way to go about this?  (i have a cd/dvd burner, and a large external hd at my disposal)
[18:44] <dwidmann> then restart X, log in, and see what you can change the res to in system setting sns
[18:44] <sns> will do. just installing something on the box right now
[18:45] <trenton> bleaked: I did something like that. But on two machines. one connected and one not.
[18:45] <kg> sns: dunno if it will change anything, but try this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/28083/
[18:45] <trenton> bleaked: google for the package archive and make a copy of that dir
[18:46] <sns> kg, trying it in a sec
[18:46] <trenton> copy that dir over to the not connected machine, and google how to create a local repo.
[18:46] <trenton> and bobs your uncle
[18:47] <sns> well that did mess up stuff
[18:47] <sns> now caps and numlock is blinking on my keyboard O.o
[18:47] <kg> wow - log?
[18:47] <sns> can't get anywhere keyboard stopped working
[18:48] <paolo> hi! something caused a bug when i changed screen resolution, now I can only see the screen if the resolution is set to 640x480 and when i try to set higher resolution I see a mess in the screen... what could I do? plz help me :) thnks
[18:48] <amerigo> ! windows
[18:48] <kg> do you think there's a syntax error??
[18:48] <sns> hm I guess me using that guys xorg file wasn't that smart
[18:49] <kg> who's mine?
[18:49] <sns> I am using the nvidia dummy file and trying to add in the stuff from you in it
[18:49] <sns> nah the one I got panasonic from
[18:49] <kg> oh lol
[18:49] <sns> give me a break it's doing it again
[18:50] <kg> sns: remember not to touch any of the "InputDevice" sections next time :P
[18:50] <bleaked> trenton: hrm.. i kind of figured i would do something like that..but considering he doesn't need a browser or even most security updates (due to never being connected) it seems like a bit of overkill?  and what about the dozen or less packages i would want from the universe and multiverse.. seems like a lot of overhead..  the problem is that i would be fine with picking out the debs for apps i would want to install and update, but i
[18:50] <bleaked> wouldn't know what their dependencies would need to be..
[18:52] <trenton> bleaked:take the whole lot, but only install what you need, dependancies will be drawn in.
[18:53] <bleaked> trenton: but again, wouldn't the entire official repos, including multiverse and universe be numerous gigs, if not approaching a hundred or more?
[18:54] <trenton> bleaked: I have a fully updated machine with all the multimedia I need ~600mb in archive
[18:54] <bleaked> oh..well ok, not so bad
[18:55] <trenton> bleaked: you don't dl all the reapo just the soft you need.
[18:55] <spiel_mit_feuer> hey.. can anyone help me set up network folder sharing via samba? i have samba, yet when i right click on a folder i try to share it asks for root password, i enter it, then it does nothing
[18:56] <sns> :'( nothing is working
[18:57] <amerigo> italiano
[18:57] <amerigo> # kubuntu.it
[18:57] <amerigo> ! italiano
[18:58] <bleaked> trenton: hey check this out: http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/
[18:59] <elo> CMake Error: your CXX compiler: "CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER-NOTFOUND" was not found.   Please set CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER to a valid compilerpath or name. <-- anybody know what i need to do to fix this?
[19:00] <kg> sns: what do you mean "nothing"?
[19:01] <sns> kg: well now nvidia driver won't even load. I kind of "lost it" with the config and it's all a mess now so I started from scratch
[19:02] <spiel_mit_feuer> hmm
[19:02] <kg> sns: have you tried using mine yet? it's actually very similar to the original one when nvidia was working
[19:02] <spiel_mit_feuer> for some reason i cant get samba to let me share a folder
[19:03] <sns> trying it now
[19:03] <bleaked> trenton: well thank you for your generous help and advice. :D
[19:03] <trenton> bleaked: pleasure:)
[19:04] <spiel_mit_feuer> samba doesnt like me
[19:04] <sns> kg: paste.ubuntu.com/28086
[19:05] <kg> sns: failsafe mode again?
[19:05] <ere4si> !samba
[19:05] <trenton> bleaked: http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/ cool but seems unseported
[19:06] <sns> kg, not afaik booted normally
[19:06] <sns> brb
[19:07] <spiel_mit_feuer> aaaah
[19:07] <spiel_mit_feuer> can anyone assist with samba
[19:07] <spiel_mit_feuer> ?
[19:08] <moope1> ﻿I keep getting this annoying thing with firefox opening some php files as a file for download
[19:08] <moope1> anyone else get this?
[19:08] <trappist> moope1: it's the webserver's fault
[19:08] <trappist> moope1: unless it happens with all .php urls, regardless of website
[19:09] <moope1> trappist: do you know how to slap the webserver?
[19:09] <moope1> (Im controlling that)
[19:11] <trappist> moope1: you'll need a line like the following, unless this is ubuntu and you installed everything "correctly", in which case it would be done for you:
[19:11] <trappist> lap the webserver?
[19:11] <trappist> err
[19:12] <trappist> bleh, my copy/paste is busted.  you need an AddType directive
[19:12] <trappist> but ubuntu should handle all that for you, if this is an ubuntu box.  if it's not, I recommend asking on the appropriate channel.
[19:12] <sns> kg, trying that nvidia tool again to get back to basic at least
[19:12] <sns> xorg.conf doesn't do anything when I paste it
[19:13] <ironman_> Hi p@ople
[19:13] <kg> sns: alright - once you get nvidia up again (be sure to check it's not loading the failsafe one), slowly add stuff from http://paste.ubuntu.com/28090/
[19:17] <sns> kg, it does the keyboard thing again after I ran that utility
[19:18] <kg> sns: what's the new xorg.conf when it messes up?
[19:18] <sns> I don't have it here. Reinstalling. Don't have time to fix it. Reinstall and adding nvidia drivers seemed to solve the issue
[19:18] <sns> I'll paypal 50 dollars to anyone who can help me
[19:19] <kg> lol this is kind of a job you need to be on site to fix
[19:19] <sns> I know
[19:22] <justs0me> why dont ubuntu use fedoras [OK] method to boot?
[19:22] <sns> what is the name of that nvidia tool?
[19:23] <justs0me> where it goes through the major processes
[19:23] <XJman> Anyone here familiar with running an atheros wireless card
[19:23] <kg> nvidia-xconfig i believe
[19:24] <sns> nudo-ng something
[19:24] <trenton> justs0me: it does but is hidden
[19:24] <kg> envyng
[19:25] <kg> sns: were you looking for "sudo envyng -t"?
[19:25] <sns> kg, yeah. I got that sorted out. Just making an overview of the issue as you are probably going to sleep
[19:26] <sns> can you paste me the modeline again?
[19:26] <kg> http://paste.ubuntu.com/28090/
[19:26] <sns> what was the site for that again?
[19:26] <kg> try each one of the modelines over there -- the wiki said modelines are a hit and miss
[19:26] <kg> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xorg_HDTV#Screen_Section
[19:27] <XJman> My wireless card randomly recognizes without any changes to my system.
[19:27] <kg> also, in Device->Option->ConnectedMonitor, i had it as CRT-1
[19:27] <justs0me> trenton: is there a way to unhide it ?
[19:28] <kg> but it could also be just "CRT", or "CRT-0", so you'll need to try those two as well if the CRT-1 doesn't work (CRT basically says you're using the VGA port)
[19:28] <spiel_mit_feuer> is it fine if i list my IP in the DMZ on my router?
[19:28] <sns> kg, I understand
[19:28] <trenton> justs0me: yes hold on looking
[19:28] <XJman> Any idea why?
[19:28] <sns> why is it so difficult to make it into a 16:9 resolution?
[19:29] <chx> hi. i am looking for a KDE RSS reader (really, just twitter would be enough) which can show popup windows like kopete does.
[19:29] <kg> sns: i have no idea why
[19:29] <trenton> justs0me: sudo apr-get startupmanager
[19:30] <justs0me> ah, thanks
[19:30] <dr_Willis> apt-get install    - you mean. :)
[19:30] <trenton> justs0me: you change startup setting in there and fix you're resolution also.
[19:30] <pag> chx, akregator (configure notifications -> show a popup when new feeds are fetched)
[19:30] <trenton> justs0me: sorry, sudo apt-get startupmanager
[19:31] <chx> pag: ooooooooh! like kopete? they go away after a time, right?
[19:31] <trenton> dr_Willis :)
[19:31] <sns> okay... start from scratch
[19:31] <pag> chx, should be - never bothered testing
[19:31] <kg> sns: weren't you already doing that?
[19:32] <sns> yeah and it's booted now
[19:32] <kg> sns: ohh i see, i hope nvidia's nicely loaded this time?
[19:33] <chx> pag: yes there is an option for "use a passive window that does not interrupt other work"
[19:33] <sns> we shall see real soon
[19:35] <justs0me> kubuntu dont come with a firewall?
[19:35] <dr_Willis> !firewall
[19:35] <dr_Willis> it has one, with no default rules
[19:36] <justs0me> when u say no default rules, that means its off?
[19:38] <sns> kg: now I got nvidia drivers loaded and working
[19:38] <sns> but 640x480 as resolution
[19:38] <kg> sns: great, now back at square 1 lol
[19:38] <sns> better to work from this I think
[19:38] <sns> I'll paste xorg.conf file for you
[19:38] <jussi01> sns: I assume you have followed the !fixres instructions ?
[19:39] <jussi01> !fixres
[19:39] <kg> sns: and the X log file if you will
[19:39] <sns> kg: paste.ubuntu.com/28099
[19:39] <chx> pag: thx
[19:42] <sns> jussi01: I have to admit that I haven't. Looking into it now
[19:43] <kg> sns: lol i just looked at it too... guess what - modelines too
[19:43] <kg> sns: i think it's the curse of having widescreens
[19:43] <sns> kg yeah tell me about it... if it was up to me they'd have 9" toy screens
[19:44] <sns> did you see my xorg.conf like it is now?
[19:44] <sns> I guess all it needs is the modeline to work?
[19:44] <kg> sns: yeah i hope so
[19:44] <sns> kg: paste.ubuntu.com/28099
[19:44] <sns> kg: paste.ubuntu.com/28100 this is the log
[19:44] <kg> sns: thanks
[19:45] <sns> brb
[19:46] <kg> sns: it's CRT-0 lol
[19:46] <kg> sns: omg i can't believe i've been staring at that all these while and it hasn't clicked
[19:48] <sns> =
[19:48] <sns> ?
[19:49] <sns> kg Å?
[19:49] <justs0me> why is the version number 8.04.1 and ot just 8.04?
[19:50] <kg> sns: http://paste.ubuntu.com/28103/
[19:50] <kg> sns: hopefully this one won't cause nvidia to fail to load
[19:51] <PolitikerALT> justs0me: Because it's Kubuntu "Service pack 1"
[19:51] <senorpedro> hi folks
[19:51] <dilipgarg> Hi. I am looking for "tested" set of instructions to configure my firefox to play embedded divx videos online.
[19:52] <sns> well hold your breath
[19:52] <dilipgarg> Also to enable Java/JRE on my firefox so that I can enter into Java based Chat rooms.
[19:52] <sns> OMG
[19:52] <sns> You did it!!!
[19:53] <sns> kg is the greatest
[19:53] <level1> hi, I have an window that cannot be used with the edit window-specific settings... as if its in some blackhole and cannot be manager by the window manager
[19:53] <dilipgarg> sns: for me??
[19:53] <drif> how do I execute this "Hardware Drivers"-tool as sudo? it asked me to cross enabled but says to do it as root.. using ATI
[19:53] <kg> sns: lol really? omg i didn't actually expect that
[19:53] <sns> you did it
[19:53] <sns> :D
[19:53] <sns> me happy
[19:53] <sns> and relieved
[19:53] <sns> ... a lot
[19:54] <kg> sns: so the resolution and everything is accurate?
[19:54] <sns> yes!
[19:54] <sns> everything is like it should be in the land of Set
[19:54] <sns> sns
[19:54] <kg> sns: try opening a couple of stuff... are the words too small or big?
[19:54] <sns> nope
[19:54] <kg> sns: lol congratulations!
[19:54] <sns> everything is perfect
[19:55] <kg> sns: woohoo! i wonder what was the problem before...
[19:55] <sns> kg, thank you so much. if you pm me your paypal I will send you your salary
[19:55] <araceli> HELP PLEASE
[19:55] <dilipgarg> Hello. I am looking for "tested" set of instructions to configure my firefox to play embedded divx videos online and also to enable Java/JRE on my firefox so that I can enter into Java based Chat rooms.
[19:55] <kg> sns: lol no need - i was about to make the same setup when i get my own HDTV :P this is my practise run lol
[19:56] <kg> araceli: it might be more helpful if you go straight into what you need help in :)
[19:56] <sns> kg you truly saved my arse in all of this
[19:56] <sns> know that
[19:57] <sns> If there is anything I can do to help you .... :P let me know. not that I think you'd want my help after this
[19:58] <dr_Willis> tested? hmmm..  I just install the mplayer plugin for firefox,. and the  sun java... Not sure how one would test. :)
[19:58] <kg> sns: lol well you'll never know ;)
[19:59] <justs0me> where do i find the release notes for 8.04.1 kubuntu ?
[19:59] <dilipgarg> Wills: there're endless set of tutorials online, I dont want to mess up reading one that doesnt "Work"
[20:00] <dr_Willis> dilipgarg,  never actually used any tutorials, I normally just install  mozilla-mplayer - MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla
[20:01] <dr_Willis> and the 'kubuntu-restricted-extras'  I think that grabs java.. that maybe flash it gets.. heck it may be both..
[20:02] <kg> anyway, time for me to crash... night!
[20:02] <dr_Willis> One issue with java may be the fact theres  getting to be a few variants out. the sun java, and that icedtea java. (not sure how they are related) seen a fes sites/programs that need the actual sun java.
[20:03] <dr_Willis> Im using java-6-sun at the moment. got a url to the chat room? i can test it out real fast
[20:03] <dilipgarg> Willis: I am currently installing mozilla_mplayer plugin..
[20:03] <dilipgarg> Willis: www.quicksilverscreen.com/chat
[20:04] <dr_Willis> that chat room is working here.
[20:05] <dilipgarg> I have installed mplayer-mozilla plugin but i cant see it under all firefox plugins.
[20:05] <dilipgarg> and more over http://beta.vreel.net/watch_17484.html this doesnt work
[20:06] <dilipgarg> so it looks like a simple mplayer-mozilla didnt work
[20:06] <dr_Willis> looks like its loading/buffering here... lets see if it plays
[20:07] <dr_Willis> Its playing.
[20:07] <dilipgarg> Willis: Can you see mplayer-mozilla plugin under the plugins tab
[20:08] <senorpedro> i'm trying to run rosegarden, but it has no sound...
[20:08] <dr_Willis> looking..
[20:08] <senorpedro> does anybody know why?
[20:08] <senorpedro> i run jack with qjackctl and it seems to work fine
[20:08] <senorpedro> but when i play something in rosegarden there is no sound
[20:08] <senorpedro> my system has sound normally, i have played lots of sound files
[20:08] <senorpedro> mp3 mostly
[20:09] <dr_Willis> dilipgarg,  i see a 'DivX Browser Plugin-in' - mplayerplugin 3.50 Video Player Plugin for QT, Realplayer, and WMP streams ....
[20:09] <dilipgarg> I dont have any of these
[20:09] <dilipgarg> :(
[20:09] <dr_Willis> and i also see 'mplayerplug-in 3.5' listed below it.
[20:10] <dr_Willis> You are running firefox3 and not 2?
[20:10] <dilipgarg> ff3, yes
[20:11] <dilipgarg> Willis: Do you remember the exact package names for all those plugins
[20:11] <dr_Willis> Not a clue. :)
[20:12] <dr_Willis> I have some scripts i made up that install several dozen+ packages for me on a new install.
[20:12] <dr_Willis> !clone
[20:12] <dr_Willis> My packages i got installed --------> dpkg --get-selections  | pastebinit
[20:12] <dr_Willis> http://pastebin.com/f7eae0df2
[20:13] <dr_Willis> and Yes.. this machine has all sorts of repos enabled and other weirdness. :)
[20:13] <dr_Willis> but i dont recall ever having an issue watching stage6 videos on any of my linux machines
[20:14] <dilipgarg> thats a long list there
[20:15] <kde_> is there anyway for me to get get konqueror to veiw yahoo's web page or not
[20:15] <compilerwriter> I have this old machine that I am using without much space on the hard drive.  I would like to try Ibex out, but I can't boot from usb.  If I were to get a usb drive hooked to the box would grub notice the drive and boot to it when it came into the picture?
[20:15] <justs0me> in ubuntu install, how do i install the boot loader in sdb (second sata drive) partition number 6?
[20:16] <dr_Willis> You need to use the Alternative Installer cd - I belive to put the boot loader somewhere other then sda. (at least thats how it used to be)
[20:18] <dr_Willis> compilerwriter,  booting off a exteranal usb hard drive.. can be.. challanging. :)
[20:18] <justs0me> that is text based install
[20:18] <justs0me> never done that
[20:18] <dr_Willis> compilerwriter,  the pendrivelinux.com site has tutorials and info on doing it however.
[20:19] <justs0me> though in the gui install i have an option of where to install the grub, just dont know the sytax
[20:19] <ubunturos> justs0me: if it is a USB Hard disk, and you have no data
[20:19] <dr_Willis> justs0me,  it just asks the questions in a text dialog. is about it. :) i find it faster to use the alt-installer cd. then the desktop cd.
[20:19] <ubunturos> justs0me: then, delete the partitions and follow the same steps as desktop install
[20:19] <justs0me> it internal sata drive
[20:19] <ubunturos> only at the last step, click the advanced option
[20:19] <justs0me> its*
[20:20] <ubunturos> and change the bootloader installation to (hd1)
[20:20] <justs0me> im there
[20:20] <compilerwriter> Unfortunately my bios won't boot from a pen drive dr_Willis too damned old.  That is why I was wondering if grub could be coaxed into it or if I would have to get an internal drive.
[20:20]  * ubunturos is using a Kubuntu booted off the USB Hard disk
[20:20] <justs0me> how do i pick a partition ?
[20:20] <dr_Willis> with the proper grub menu.lst  - its possible.. :)  but may take some work.
[20:20] <justs0me> or i cant?
[20:21] <dr_Willis> compilerwriter,  but its also possible the machine wont even see the external disks till the os loads..  ive found wth older machines booting external drives can be very much a roll of the dice. :(
[20:22] <ubunturos> justs0me: for a USB hard disk / usb pen drive, follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[20:22] <justs0me> ubunturos: im not using a usb hd
[20:23] <ubunturos> justs0me: oh, ok.
[20:24] <justs0me> i would like to install the boot loader on a sata internal drive to a selected partition
[20:27] <spiel_mit_feuer> hey.. in the linux command line, how do i access a directory with a space in the name?
[20:28] <ubunturos> spiel_mit_feuer: type part of the name of the directory and press a 'tab'
[20:28] <spiel_mit_feuer> tab instead of a space?
[20:28] <ubunturos> spiel_mit_feuer: it should auto-complete and the name might appear as directory\ withspace
[20:28] <ubunturos> spiel_mit_feuer: yes!
[20:28] <ubunturos> so, you could type cd direc (and then press a 'tab')
[20:30] <sns> this is sweet
[20:33] <level1> does anybody here use scim, or any other program to type in a foriegn langauge?
[20:34] <level1> I know thats a meta question, but I'm actually looking for people that do so I can ask them if they have had any trouble and have been able to fix it
[20:34] <dlee> i use skim
[20:36] <level1> dlee: how do you like it?
[20:36] <level1> dlee: do you have a lot of trouble?
[20:36] <dlee> i like skim a lot
[20:36] <level1> what language do you use it for?
[20:36] <dlee> there are small annoyances, but i would rather live with them rather than without skim at all
[20:36] <dlee> korean / chinese / japanese
[20:37] <level1> like what?
[20:37] <level1> do you use kde 4?
[20:37] <dlee> one annoyance is japanese / chinese candidate choices
[20:38] <dlee> i can't explain to you unless you know japanese
[20:38] <dlee> another annoyance is that you can't use the IM everywhere, only in text fields
[20:38] <level1> i do a little, but the problems I have don't have to do with input
[20:38] <sns> dlee maybe you should take this up with the developers?
[20:39] <zaapiel> y0
[20:39] <level1> my problem are with program crashes, even when using english
[20:39] <justs0me> how do i install a grub to my second hd on the 6th partition?    it had (hd0)  would i put hd1 or sdb since its a sata drive, also how do i add partition ?
[20:39] <zaapiel> anyway to remove all of ubuntu to make my system all kubuntu?
[20:39] <dlee> i also encounter problems in konsole where when i close a tab, i can't type in the next tab unless i switch focus away from konsole and back
[20:39] <dlee> sns: which issue?
[20:39] <level1> konqueror/kde4 crashes on certian sites and the bug traces indict scim
[20:40] <level1> also, any text that is selected is deleted
[20:40] <dlee> i don't use konqueror, so i wouldn't know
[20:40] <zaapiel> !help
[20:40] <zaapiel> !search remove ubuntu
[20:40] <zaapiel> gah
[20:40] <level1> so if I select text in a window, switch away and switch back, the text is deleted
[20:41] <level1> zaapiel: tired of ubuntu?
[20:41] <dlee> level1: any text?
[20:41] <dlee> that seems like a konqueror bug to me...
[20:41] <sns> small annoyances I mean
[20:41] <level1> zaapiel: what are you trying to replace it with
[20:41] <zaapiel> level1: i just want to delete ubuntu and have kubuntu
[20:41] <zaapiel> so all the gnomeness
[20:41] <level1> dlee: its not just in konqueror, its in all kde apps
[20:41] <zaapiel> kde ftw
[20:41] <dlee> level1: were you in the midst of typing a japanese phrase that hadn't finished choosing candidates?
[20:41] <zaapiel> huzza
[20:41] <level1> zaapiel: go into the package manager and remove ubuntu-desktop
[20:41] <dlee> level1: i don't have problems like what you're saying
[20:42] <level1> dlee: no this problem appears while using english
[20:42] <level1> dlee: I don't use japanese that much
[20:42] <minhaaj> i have a strange problem. i can change almost anything in my themes but it won't install new icons
[20:42] <dlee> level1: that's very strange, i don't have that problem
[20:42] <minhaaj> i have never been able to install icons. any idea whats wrong ?
[20:43] <level1> minhaaj: maybe just because kde3's kgethotnewstuff sucks
[20:43] <level1> minhaaj: kde 4 is... better
[20:43] <zaapiel> level1: its a meta-package it didnt delete anything
[20:43] <sns> I've got a question
[20:43] <dlee> i wonder when skim for kde4 will come out
[20:43] <level1> zaapiel: you should try out kde 4.1 rc 1... its really nice (except for this scim problems I'm having)
[20:43] <minhaaj> i am on gnome
[20:43] <dlee> i'm using the kde3 version of skim right now
[20:44] <level1> zaapiel: hmm... good point
[20:44] <zaapiel> kde4 is vapoware
[20:44] <zaapiel> :D
[20:44] <minhaaj> i just installed mac4lin and its beautiful
[20:44] <sns> Except for flashplugin-nonfree, msttcorefonts, java plugins, firefox, etc.. what more do I need to make a web experience as good as possible?
[20:44] <minhaaj> its just i can't get to install icons
[20:44] <sns> Creating kiosk pcs using kubuntu
[20:44] <minhaaj> seems to be some error
[20:44] <level1> minhaaj: then this is a problem that maybe you talk about on #ubuntu
[20:44] <level1> sns: good question
[20:44] <eccoh> and me scim only on kde3 no find how to make work skim lol
[20:44] <level1> if its a gnome problem
[20:45] <level1> zaapiel: kde 4 is not vaporware, I'm using it right now
[20:45] <sns> level1: using kde-kiosk-tools package to lock down kde and firefox plugins + hardware firewall to limit allowed websites
[20:45] <eccoh> after install cannot restart.....
[20:45] <level1> you can't spread FUD about a product if you don't even try it
[20:45] <dr_Willis> there are some kiosk extenions for firefox. and i recall some other ways to lock it down.
[20:46] <level1> eccoh: yeah, every time I've used scim I've been very unhappy
[20:46] <level1> is there some other program for inputting japanese text?
[20:46] <sns> dr_Willis: Yeah. R-kiosk and some other one I can't remember the name of right now
[20:46] <sns> Using them :)
[20:46] <eccoh> for me scim working well
[20:46] <level1> I don't care if its not that good, I just hate scim
[20:46] <eccoh> but skim nothing to do.....
[20:46] <eccoh> on kde3
[20:46] <level1> well, I have the same problems with scim
[20:47] <eccoh> ㄹㅇㄴㅇㅇㄹㄹㅈㄷ
[20:47] <eccoh> lol
[20:47] <eccoh> you install it with apt-get??
[20:47] <bipolar> Does anyone know a trick to getting pppd to update /etc/resolv.conf so that dns lookup works? pppd is putting the dns servers in /etc/ppp/resolv.conf, which doesn't work. :\
[20:48] <level1> eccoh: just because it allows you to input text doesn't mean its perfect
[20:48] <eccoh> yes maybe also.....
[20:48] <level1> eccoh: I can do it too: これが　日本語　ですね？
[20:48] <dr_Willis> apt-get install input-perfect-text-plugin
[20:49] <eccoh> i can't really say but it was for a friend and she not report me some problem....
[20:49] <level1> dr_Willis: wow, how did I miss that package
[20:49] <sns> btw. congrats to *Ubuntu for being the choice for public tourist info terminals in a Norwegian city. The computers will be maintained and supported by IT crew of the local government
[20:50] <level1> lol, congrats on being the admin?
[20:50] <sns> I'm the solution designer ;)
[20:50] <sns> once they are up and running I take my shit and run
[20:50] <ncfi1013_> where can i find tutorials to help me create a directory structure on a dvd that i would like to burn in k3b that is not a video/data dvd
[20:50] <sns> or I'd rather say... once they are up and running I take the money and flee :P
[20:50] <drmartins_> kde4 sucks:)
[20:52] <level1> drmartins_: don't say that shit unless you have a reason why it sucks
[20:52] <dlee> i like kde4
[20:52] <sns> kde4 is nice. But I get the feeling that I can't configure it as much as 3
[20:52] <dlee> i just wish it was a bit faster
[20:52] <sns> yet
[20:52] <level1> when did it become fashionable to say kde 4 sucks with no reason given
[20:52] <drmartins_> gnome rulezz=)
[20:53] <level1> drmartins_: 8/10: decent trolling.  Would rage again
[20:54] <level1> sns: I know what you mean... I have a version of kde's svn on my machine, and I've submitted some packages... so maybe you could mention to me what in particular you want to be able to configue
[20:55] <sns> level1: Hm it's not really something I want to configure. I want to create a userspace where the only thing the user can do is view a website and print pages
[20:55] <sns> I believe KDE-kiosk+firefox with kiosk plugins would be able to do this?
[20:55] <drmartins_> i'm using gnome and ubuntu it's cool,and kde4 sucks=)kde3 rulezz
[20:55] <level1> I wouldn't know... I don't know what the state of kiosk is in kde 4
[20:55] <sns> it's just tools for dumbing down kde I think
[20:55] <sns> package is called kde-kiosk
[20:56] <sns> tools
[20:56] <drmartins_> russian rulezzz:)
[20:56] <level1> drmartins_: stop talking unless you have something productive to say... this isn't a forum for people to express vague opinions
[20:58] <drmartins_> ok,i'm not say well
[20:58] <drmartins_> :)
[20:58] <abdellah> hiii
[21:01] <drmartins_> fuck you level1,russian and gnome ruleezzz)kde4 sucks Russian win!
[21:02] <sns> cute one
[21:03] <sns> anyone got experience in backing up and restoring an entire ubuntu system?
[21:03] <Tm_T> sns: what you like to backup? only userdata or _whole_ system?
[21:04] <Kernel> hello all. i have a question about lvm. im currently running mandriva 2008.1 with lvm. im thinking of installing kubuntu 8.04 instead...but im brand new to using lvm and dont know if it will be easy to keep the way i have it....like during the install of kubuntu will kubuntu detect the lvm as a single partition? or how exactly will this work?
[21:04] <sns> Tm_T: I got several identical computers (hardware wise) that I want to be cloned with entire system I got on this one
[21:04] <Tippa> Hello all o/
[21:05] <Tippa> Well, I have a problem with this Kubuntu.
[21:05] <klerfayt> !ask
[21:06] <sns> Tippa: what seems to be the problem, son
[21:06] <eccoh> sns <--- i restore mu kubuntu partition with partimage on the same system with manyother partition and no problem
[21:06] <Kernel> i have several hard disks and each hard disk is partitioned a few times....and the lvm is made up from random partitions from random drives...will i have to re set up lvm all over again? or will it know that partitions sda5 sdb7 sdc8 sdd12 are all belonging to the lvm named data?
[21:06] <eccoh> and i think the same thing as you....
[21:07] <eccoh> if i can copy my partition on other disk drive ???
[21:07] <Tippa> Well, I should get this Radeon X1900 to work properly. I think, it should be quite common issue.
[21:07] <eccoh> lol
[21:07] <Letze> hi
[21:08] <Letze> can i post kde4 questions?
[21:08] <Kernel> !ask | Letze
[21:08] <ncfi1013_> how do i create that "straight line" symbol for the command line?
[21:08] <Letze> ok...i've installed kde4RC1 fom kubuntu debs...
[21:08] <Letze> there is no folderview. plasmaoid
[21:09] <Kernel> ncfi1013_: |||| that?
[21:09] <sns> eccoh: Well. What I'd like to acheive is this. 1. I create a system with all configurations etc. 2. I do some backup voodoo on it today. 3. I install a fresh ubuntu on many other computers tomorrow. 4. I do voodoo backup on them and they are just like the one I've got here
[21:09] <ncfi1013_> yes
[21:09] <Kernel> ncfi1013_: on my keyboard i hold shit and hit the key right above enter
[21:09] <Kernel> it also has the \ on it
[21:09] <Kernel> *shift
[21:09] <Kernel> sorry
[21:09] <sns> I got a key of it's own for it on my keyboard
[21:09] <sns> what is your locale ncfi1013_
[21:10] <eccoh> wa very good thing to know
[21:10] <ncfi1013_> what is a locale
[21:10] <sns> where are you located? :)
[21:10] <ncfi1013_> why
[21:10] <Kernel> ncfi1013_: like american chinese
[21:10] <sns> locale is the settings on a computer that makes it behave like you expect it to in the country you are in
[21:10] <Kernel> diff keyboard set ups ncfi1013_
[21:10] <sns> with keyboard and stuff
[21:12] <eccoh> ha yes good question and from france where i can find the key ???
[21:12] <ncfi1013_> oh...one of the millions of solar systems...earth...united states...texas...dallas...adleta blvd
[21:13] <Kernel> lol
[21:14] <ncfi1013_> do i find devede in the adept package manager
[21:14] <Walzmyn> Anybody know when the Kontact for kde4 will be in the pools to try out?
[21:14] <dlee> Walzmyn: it's already out
[21:14] <dlee> i'm using it
[21:14] <Walzmyn> it's in the repos? I looked for it
[21:15] <jussio1> !info devede
[21:15] <dlee> some kdepim package, probably
[21:15] <Walzmyn> hmm
[21:15] <dlee> i'm also using ppa repo
[21:15] <Walzmyn> ppa?
[21:17] <dlee> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/+archive
[21:18] <Walzmyn> dlee, thank you. I'll look
[21:19] <jussi01> Walzmyn: dlee kde4 support in #kubuntu-kde4 :)
[21:21] <__Adam__> hello
[21:21] <__Adam__> help: i cant install update any package, i get this error  failed in buffer_read(fd): files list for package `language-pack-kde-pa-base':
[21:23] <engineer> update your sources
[21:23] <__Adam__> done apt-get update
[21:24] <ncfi1013_> thanx i dont really understand everything i was told but it sounds like it will be of help
[21:24] <jals> what's the easiest way to get windows video codecs working? wmv, mpeg etc?
[21:24] <engineer> apt-get install w32codecs
[21:25] <jals> thanks
[21:25] <engineer> __Adam__ apt-get -f install
[21:25] <__Adam__> tried that too
[21:25] <engineer> try aptitude
[21:26] <__Adam__> and deleting /var/cache/apt/archives/
[21:26] <engineer> jals you brit?
[21:26] <jals> ya
[21:26] <__Adam__> aptitude is the same
[21:26] <engineer> k
[21:26] <gnumm> don't mix aptitude and apt-get
[21:26] <gnumm> choose one
[21:27] <__Adam__> both arnt working
[21:27] <__Adam__> same is for dkpg
[21:27] <__Adam__> i cant install, update or remove any package
[21:28] <engineer> http://exain.wordpress.com/2007/12/03/failed-in-buffer_readfd-on-ubuntu/
[21:29] <gnumm> __Adam__: sudo apt-get clean, sudo apt-get update
[21:29] <slow-motion> hi
[21:29] <gnumm> does it work?
[21:29] <RaceDrv709> My password won't work in the terminal
[21:29] <engineer> what's up slow-motion
[21:29] <slow-motion> hi engineer
[21:29] <__Adam__> trying now gnumm
[21:29] <engineer> RaceDrv709 tried changing it?
[21:30] <RaceDrv709> nope
[21:30] <RaceDrv709> I don't know how
[21:30] <engineer> __Adam__ have a look on that url
[21:30] <gnumm> __Adam__: http://exain.wordpress.com/2007/12/03/failed-in-buffer_readfd-on-ubuntu/
[21:30] <engineer> RaceDrv709 passwd
[21:31] <RaceDrv709> I don't understand what you told me
[21:32] <engineer> change your password with: passwd
[21:32] <RaceDrv709> where do I do that?
[21:32] <engineer> in konsole
[21:32] <gnumm> in the konsole
[21:32] <RaceDrv709> oh
[21:33] <RaceDrv709> not getting input from keyboard
[21:33] <gnumm> it's normal
[21:33] <moope1> Ive set up a line in the hosts file, "foo 192.168.100.2". Its working on the konsole no problem but firefox is boing a bugger and keeps going to www.foo.com
[21:33] <engineer> yep
[21:33] <engineer> it's an unechoed input
[21:33] <gnumm> when you type ypour password, it never shows stars
[21:33] <gnumm> it shows nothing
[21:33] <RaceDrv709> I don't see the cursor move
[21:34] <gnumm> it's normal!
[21:34] <Walzmyn> RaceDrv709, it not supposed to
[21:34] <RaceDrv709> oh
[21:34] <Walzmyn> RaceDrv709, what are you trying to do?
[21:34] <Dracari> is there still PowerPC Mac ISO's being made for kubuntu?
[21:35] <gnumm> i guess unofficial ppc isos exist
[21:35] <jussi01> Dracari: yes
[21:35] <RaceDrv709> Thanks, I'm new to linux as far as installing stuff like Opera which I've been trying to do for 2 weeks
[21:35] <Dracari> i havent been able to find the ISO downloads for it
[21:35] <jussi01> Dracari: I suggest joining #ubuntu-powerpc
[21:35] <phanna> hey has anyone tried the kde 4.1 rc1 yet?
[21:35] <engineer> Note to PowerPC (PPC) users: The PowerPC platform of computers is not supported by the newest versions of Ubuntu. However Ubuntu 6.06 is still supported and available for your machine. Please use the link above to view the complete list of download locations to choose a location near you.
[21:35] <jussi01> phanna: yes - support in #kubuntu-kde4
[21:35] <engineer> phanna yes
[21:35] <phanna> oh ok thanks
[21:36] <Dracari> 6.06?  ty (no wonder i couldnt find it ^^;;
[21:36] <engineer> i still don't like it
[21:36] <phanna> why not?
[21:36] <phanna> still too buggy?
[21:36] <jussi01> Dracari: here is ubuntu 8.04 ppc http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/8.04/release/
[21:36] <engineer> it lacks lots of features of kde 3
[21:36] <Walzmyn> What does PPA stand for?
[21:36] <phanna> i see
[21:37] <jussi01> personal package archive
[21:37] <Walzmyn> jussi01, thank you
[21:37] <Dracari> jussi ty ^.^
[21:37] <engineer> i don't like the way desktop icons are handled
[21:37] <engineer> i prefer the old way
[21:38] <engineer> the programs in the taskbar don't have edges
[21:38] <engineer> konqueror wouldn't open, i had to log off an log in again
[21:39] <phanna> weird
[21:39] <jussi01> Dracari: Walzmyn YW
[21:39] <Dracari> now i can make use outta my old iMac G3 :3
[21:40] <Walzmyn> What is an ibex?
[21:40] <Walzmyn> Dracari, door stop?
[21:40] <Dracari> lol
[21:40] <jussi01> Walzmyn: go ask in #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[21:41]  * engineer hands a wikipedia to Walzmyn
[21:41] <Walzmyn> It'd be a little big for a paper weight I think
[21:41] <phanna> hah
[21:41] <Walzmyn> How can a question about the name of the next Kubuntu version be THAT far off topic?
[21:41] <engineer> yes RaceDrv709
[21:41] <Dracari> it can still be a DVD player XD (iMac G3 "DV+" )
[21:42] <engineer> RaceDrv709 i don't know if opera is in the repositories
[21:42] <jussi01> !info opera
[21:42] <RaceDrv709> I tried to get opera installed for the umpteenth time and I got this in the terminal
[21:42] <engineer> since its not OS
[21:42] <engineer> i bet it isn't
[21:42] <RaceDrv709> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[21:42] <engineer> RaceDrv709 are you installing other stuff?
[21:42] <jussi01> RaceDrv709: do you have adept open?
[21:42] <engineer> or adept is open
[21:42] <engineer> or synaptic
[21:43] <Walzmyn> RaceDrv709, only one app at a time can use the package database, close what you've got open
[21:43] <RaceDrv709> I don't have Synaptic and Adept is closed
[21:43] <jussi01> !aptfix
[21:43] <elo> got an issue with CMake : http://paste.ubuntu.com/28091/
[21:43] <engineer> killall apt-get
[21:45] <__Adam__> this is the package in  /var/cache/apt/archives/language-pack-kde-pa-base_1%3a8.04+20080527_all.deb
[21:46] <engineer> so?
[21:46] <RaceDrv709> Who is the admin for Kubuntuforums.net?
[21:47] <phanna> that reminds...i still haven't gotten a activation email from kubuntuforums.net
[21:47] <phanna> me*
[21:48] <engineer> hmm
[21:48] <engineer> don't the ubuntu forums have a kde section?
[21:48] <phanna> i registered with ubuntu forums just fine
[21:48] <Walzmyn> I don't know, everytime I go to 'em all I find is articles that are 2 release cycles out of date
[21:49] <engineer> anyways, i'm 0xFF
[21:49] <phanna> later
[21:49] <RaceDrv709> registered, but no activation email in my box and I checked my junk box
[21:50] <phanna> hah same as me then
[21:50] <phanna> must be something with their registration page
[21:51] <__Adam__> matt@Matts-laptop:/var/cache/apt/archives$ sudo dpkg -c /var/cache/apt/archives//language-pack-kde-pa-base_1%3a8.04+20080527_all.deb > /var/lib/dpkg/info/language-pack-kde-pa-base
[21:51] <__Adam__> bash: /var/lib/dpkg/info/language-pack-kde-pa-base: Permission denied
[21:51] <__Adam__> didnt work :(
[21:51] <elo> epic fail
[21:54] <__Adam__> i cant install, update or remove any package
[21:56] <__Adam__> this is quite annoying
[21:58] <bipolar> Ive got knetworkmanager to start my pppd session, but telling it to hang up doesn't kill pppd
[21:58] <bipolar> any ideas about it?
[21:59] <__Adam__> arggghhh :(
[22:01] <__Adam__> what happens if i delete the file!?
[22:05] <__Adam__> dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `language-pack-kde-pa-base' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed.
[22:05] <sns> http://www.bash.org/?349567
[22:07] <shilling_> ciao
[22:07] <shilling_> mi aiutate a risolvere un problema di connessione
[22:07] <shilling_> ?
[22:08] <BluesKaj> !it | shilling_
[22:08] <ch0mik> hi
[22:09] <shilling_> i came from there :)
[22:09] <shilling_> they suggest me kubuntu chanel
[22:09] <ubuntu> hi
[22:10] <ch0mik> got a question, just wanted to download 'Kubuntu 8.04 KDE4 Remix' but further down it says that there's 'Community support only' for it
[22:10] <ch0mik> what dooes it mean?
[22:11] <BluesKaj> shilling_,  ok can you explain your problem ?
[22:11] <ch0mik> is it like let say when kde4.1 is released it will not be included in that distribution?
[22:11] <Williy> hi can someone send me link have to install kubuntu? :D
[22:12] <BluesKaj> Williy, do you have a kubuntu version now , upgrade ?
[22:13] <Williy> kubuntu-kde4-8.04.1-alternate-i386
[22:13] <BluesKaj>  Williy , http://kubuntu.org/news/8.04-release
[22:14] <__Adam__> cheers guys :)
[22:14] <BluesKaj> cheers
[22:14] <Williy> thx! :)
[22:15] <sns> What is the difference between RAID 0 and RAID 1? In RAID 0, the zero stands for how many files you are going to get back if something goes wrong
[22:16] <ch0mik> guys, what does the 'comunity support only' mean in terms of further upgrades?
[22:17] <BluesKaj> ch0mik, i think it means ,whatever is in the default repsitories
[22:18] <andy> anyone know how to "repair" an intel pro/wireless 2915 for a toshiba satellite? it would be greatly appreciated!
[22:19] <gnumm> when i install now arch linux on a little partition, will it find my kubuntu installation?
[22:19] <gnumm> or when later i reinstall grub from the kubuntu livecd, will it find arch linux?
[22:20] <ch0mik> BluesKaj, so how is it different from kubuntu 8.04 not kde4 which have 'supported unitll October 2009'?
[22:21] <gnumm> ch0mik: normal guys like you and me will upload kde4 updates
[22:22] <gnumm> ch0mik: but they know what they do ;)
[22:23] <ch0mik> gnumm, ? .. how do i upload any updates
[22:23] <gnumm> ch0mik: you must become mainatiner
[22:24] <gnumm> *maintainer
[22:24] <ch0mik> gnumm, tomorrow
[22:31] <ch0mik> ok.. once again. will i be able to upgrade kde4.0 to 4.1 (when is out) installing 'Kubuntu 8.04 KDE4 Remix'?
[22:31] <ch0mik> or is it like we dont do hardy kde4.0 we do interpid only atm
[22:37] <uwe> oh guys, can somone help me short? I inserted n sd card into my card reader and I want to delete some files but I can't
[22:37] <gnumm> ch0mik: you can update, yes
[22:37] <uwe> as I tried it with the terminal, it says that the file system it in read-only modus, how can I change that?
[22:38] <uwe> I believe I have to use chmod or?
[22:38] <eagles051387> hey all
[22:40] <uwe> um hello?
[22:40] <ch0mik> uwe, no you need to remount it with rw flags
[22:40] <eagles051387> uwe: what u trying to do
[22:40] <ch0mik> gnumm, are you sure about it... i'm installing it on my friends pc and dont want them to stuck with 4.0
[22:41] <ch0mik> gnumm, but i do want them to experience kde4.x
[22:41] <uwe> ah ok, I have to remount... so unmount it first
[22:42] <gnumm> ch0mik: yes, you can update now to the 4.1rc1, they run pretty good, better than 4.0
[22:42] <gnumm> ch0mik: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1rc1
[22:42] <eagles051387> ch0mik: i have installed kde in conjunction with 4
[22:43] <ch0mik> gnumm, yes but you need to mess with packet source.. as i said it's not my system and that person is 100% windows person
[22:43] <ch0mik> uwe, use -o remount,rw
[22:43] <ch0mik> uwe, with the mouont command
[22:45] <minhaaj> i have my icons in ./icons but i dont seem to be able to use them through theme manager.
[22:45] <minhaaj> any help ?
[22:45] <eagles051387> im drawing a blank all of a sudden on what file i need to edit to get rid of the kubuntu spalsh screen
[22:45] <uwe> so it would be something like sudo mount disk-1 -o remount, rw
[22:45] <uwe> ?
[22:46] <uwe> ch0mik: so it would be something like sudo mount disk-1 -o remount, rw?
[22:47] <ch0mik> uwe, try to use 'sudo rm /your_sd_card/yourfile' first
[22:47] <cpk1> uwe: no, it would be like sudo mount -o rw /dev/sd* /media/mysdcard
[22:47] <cpk1> and do not do sudo rm!!
[22:47] <cpk1> oh he wants to delete them
[22:48] <uwe> uwe@uwe-desktop:/media/disk-1/Images$ rm fotoshoting\ und\ lichterfest\ 107.jpg
[22:48] <uwe> rm: Entfernen von „fotoshoting und lichterfest 107.jpg“ nicht möglich: Read-only
[22:48] <uwe> oh let me try thanks
[22:51] <uwe> ok I made sudo mount -o rw /dev/sda5 /media/disk-1 but same effect; I can't delete them still
[22:51] <uwe> Read-only file system, still a Read-only file system
[22:53] <uwe> I believe I'm doing it wrong
[22:54] <uwe> rocio?
[22:54] <eagles051387> uwe: is this an ntfs partition
[22:54] <uwe> no
[22:54] <eagles051387> ok
[22:54] <uwe> it's a micro sd card
[22:54] <uwe> so it must but fat I think
[22:55] <uwe> fat-16
[23:10] <silvia> Anyone can give me a hand using my broadcom wireless with ndiswrapper instead of fwcutter?
[23:13] <silvia> I've been through some faqs and tutorials but still no luck. I'd say my foremost problem is that ndiswrapper dos not detect my wlan board... but I'm pretty sure it is compatible with the windows driver I'm feeding it
[23:22] <eagles051387> silvia: you on hardy
[23:23] <silvia> Yes I am
[23:25] <Aranel> Is kio-sysinfo bugged on Hardy ?
[23:26] <eagles051387> Aranel: u might wanna try top if ur having doubts and compare the 2
[23:26] <eagles051387> silvia: what model is ur broadcom
[23:26] <eagles051387> i have a 4306 and it works outa the box with the hardware manager didnt have to go through any of that
[23:26] <eagles051387> silvia: if ur not sure run lspci
[23:27] <silvia>  Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 01)
[23:28] <silvia> I was running it ok with fwcutter, but the speed was abysmal and I got frequent disconnects...
[23:28] <silvia> So I read in one of the howtos that I oughta try ndiswrapper
[23:28] <eagles051387> silvia: is anything showing up in the hardware manager for your card
[23:28] <eagles051387> silvia: used to do it that way and it was a nightmare to get working decently
[23:29] <victim[v]> Hi
[23:29] <silvia> By hardware manager do you mean jockey?
[23:29] <silvia> Because it doesn't show there anymore...
[23:29] <silvia> probably because I blacklisted all the broadcom modules
[23:30] <silvia> as instructed in the how to
[23:31] <eagles051387> silvia: im on gutsy but i know on hardy which my otherlaptop is on has something called harware device manager and it pulls and sets up the driver for u
[23:33] <victim[v]> I have been experiencing lots of system freezes for the last 36 hours, var/log/messages has this line listed prior to each freeze
[23:33] <victim[v]> hda-intel: Invalid position buffer, using LPIB read method instead.
[23:33] <victim[v]> is this relevant? and if so how can I fix it?
[23:33] <silvia> Only thing that came out of the box is hardware testing and hardware driver manager (jockey). The second one would use fwcutter to get my bc working
[23:34] <eagles051387> !broadcom
[23:35] <eagles051387> silvia: might be if im not mistaken ur card isnt supported yet
[23:35] <eagles051387> how old is the machine
[23:35] <Ange|us> guys
[23:36] <Ange|us> whats the difference beetween kubuntu and kubuntu remix other then one has kubuntu-desktop and the other has kubuntu-desktop-kde4 installed?
[23:36] <eagles051387> Ange|us: thats bout it
[23:36] <silvia> Bought it this year... there seems to be specific documentation for it though in the wifidocs which was just pointed to me :-)
[23:37] <eagles051387> silvia: ok i know the drivers that are pkged for my 4306 are actually reverse engineered ones and they work fine i have issues though connecting to wifi though
[23:37] <Ange|us> eagles051387 then what is this support thing? that one is supported for 18momths and the other by community only ? :S
[23:37] <eagles051387> Ange|us: long term support
[23:37] <eagles051387> lts for short
[23:37] <Ange|us> by who?
[23:37] <eagles051387> i think canonical
[23:37] <eagles051387> thats paid support from them
[23:38] <eagles051387> the community one is like people who are in this cahnnel
[23:38] <Ange|us> so if i use kde4 i will not have the same updates or something?
[23:38] <dragoness> hello
[23:39] <eagles051387> Ange|us: u will
[23:39] <eagles051387> the lts is for those who use it in offices and cant afford to waste time in irc
[23:39] <Githzerai> Ange|us: LTS means that security paches and bugfixes for official ubuntu packages will be released during 5 years period .
[23:39] <Githzerai> Instead of regular 18 months
[23:41] <dragoness> see you all
[23:55] <Dannilion> Is there any reason why Xorg should be taking 512MB of memory and forcing my other programs into swap?