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LaserJockI file bugs, I was the LP Liaison, I've help where I can and have gotten a worse product in return00:00
elmodude, that's not fair00:00
elmodo you honestly think LP is worse, now than it was<n>?  if so how?00:01
LaserJockyeah, it is00:05
LaserJockthe source package pages are worse00:05
LaserJockwe used to get full lists of packages we've uploaded00:05
LaserJockwe used to be able to sort search results better00:07
cody-somervilleMy biggest problem is the bread crumb00:07
elmoLaserJock: ok, so those are regressions, but I think calling the product as a whole 'worse' is misleading and doesn't exactly encourage a productive conversation00:08
elmoLaserJock: I'd suggest tracking this and other things, some place, so you've got something clear and unequivocal to point to00:09
elmoLaserJock: like the wiki page I was talking about earlier.  I realise it's in the bugs, but digging through the history of that isn't hugely fun.  and if you do it on a separate page, you can rate things, according to _your_ (MOTUs) priorities00:10
LaserJockelmo: well, been there done that00:10
LaserJockI realize I'm not being all that constructive right now00:10
cody-somervilleLaserJock, who is the new LP liaison?00:10
LaserJockbut I've been trying to be constructive for over a year now and it really hasn't gotten much done00:11
LaserJockcody-somerville: siretart00:11
LaserJockelmo: the problem isn't priorities00:11
LaserJockelmo: the problem is that it takes too long to get things done00:11
LaserJockwhich is not an easy thing to fix I know00:12
elmoLaserJock: err?00:12
elmoLaserJock: it takes too long to get things done because they're not being prioritized above the things that are getting done, surely?00:12
LaserJockexactly00:12
LaserJockthat's why everybody is frustrated00:12
elmook, but then surely the problem _is_ priorities?00:12
cody-somervilleHow many people are involved in developing launchpad?00:12
LaserJockelmo: not on our end00:12
LaserJockelmo: we've prioritized00:12
elmoLaserJock: gah, dude, stop making this a finger pointing thing00:13
elmoI wasn't saying it was your problem00:13
elmoI'm saying the problem is priorities -> why I think it's important your priorties are clearly/unequivocally recorded00:13
LaserJockelmo: I realize that, but since we can't control LP what can we do00:13
elmoLaserJock: lobby in a constructive way?00:13
elmorinchen told you earlier, he and kiko are trying to get LP more dev focused for the next cycle00:14
elmoand it's true, I've been witness to such conversations myself00:14
LaserJockwell00:14
LaserJockthat's good00:14
elmoso, sure, it may not have worked in the past, and I'm sorry it didn't.  but giving up now, and just venting isn't going to do much other than make you feel better in the short term00:14
elmos/it/lobbying constructively/00:15
LaserJockbut as I said earlier, I'm afraid it's tool little too late00:15
RinchenThe bad part is that complaining doesn't help. It simply motivates the developers.00:15
LaserJock*too00:15
Rinchenheh00:15
Rinchende motivates00:15
elmoLaserJock: eh, in what way?00:15
LaserJockelmo: because developers are giving up on Launchpad because of broken promises and constant RSN00:16
nycerinehas that meeting been yet?00:16
LaserJockas LP liaison I saw bugs deferred and deferred months on end00:16
LaserJockthings often take 6months - 1year more to really land than what we're told00:16
Rinchenbtw, for anyone who is wondering, we ran into a QA test failure which is holding up the release00:16
Rinchenwe're working on it now00:17
* wgrant reappears, at work.00:35
wgrantFiling bugs doesn't help - they largely just sit around forever. All these nice, useful features are coming RSN. Some things have been deferred since 1.1.9. Things get deferred month upon month, then get deferred indefinitely. We can't see the specs, so they're implemented and break things in ridiculous ways. There seems to be a focus on breaking everybody's memory of the UI every 12 months, leaving it inconsistent ...00:37
wgrant... across releases, and fixing speed regressions by eliminating visibility of some information.00:37
* Hobbsee wonders at the highlights02:05
Hobbseeelmo: w.r.t. the soyuz admin thing, (and i doubt laserjock knows about this) it's probably a good thing that it hasn't been announced yet, as this is the first cycle where launchpad *hasn't* broken when attempting to accept packages.02:09
Hobbseeso it's probably still not safe enough to fully rely on, in a mission critical sense.02:10
Hobbseeand may only be, this ubuntu cycle.02:10
emgentmoin Hobbsee :)02:10
Hobbseeheya02:10
Hobbseeelmo: not trying to point the finger there, just stating the facts about it's reliability.02:11
Hobbseefwiw, i don't see why people are changing things in pointless ways, which definetly count as regressions.  who's idea, exactly, was it that the latest release shown on launchpad should be the latest one published, even if it's a backport?02:11
Hobbseewere ubuntu people consulted (as they're the only ones with that section), as to whether this would actually be useful for them?02:13
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ScottKelmo: At this point, from my perspective, words about distro development being a priority in the future don't have a lot of credibility.03:03
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beunoRinchen, LP icon on the hierarchy in the main page doesn't look right04:15
beunompt, ^04:16
beunoand congrats on the roll out  :)04:17
mthaddonhey bueno, back at home?04:18
mthaddonbeuno, maybe I should try and spell your name right :)04:19
beunohey mthaddon!04:19
beunodidn't see you on friday04:19
beunoyeah, I'm back home, got here on sunday04:19
beunoyou still in London?04:20
mthaddonno, was just there for the week too04:20
mthaddongood to meet you (if briefly) while I was there - seemed like you and mpt were working a lot - hope you got to enjoy it too04:21
beunolikewise, I would of liked to gone out to dinner or something, but yeah, we where a bit tight with the release  :)04:22
beunowe'll probably bump into each other again04:22
mthaddonI'm sure :)04:23
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ScottKIt is prettier than it was on edge.  I'll give it that.  It's probably a better look.  Functionally, a big step backwards as I've said before.04:46
ScottKmpt: Reading your blog entry, I guess your closed to any rethinking of the new design because we'll just get used to it?04:57
* ScottK gives up again.04:58
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* Hobbsee notes that the janitor is still expiring questions that haven't had a final response from the LP devs.05:08
Hobbsee11 questions expired because launchpad developers never got back to their users.  1 question expired where the user never got back to the launchpad developers.05:11
Hobbseehmm, i think i'll bug kiko directly about an ownership change again.05:12
LaserJockHobbsee: I didn't think Janitor was actually closing bugs05:14
LaserJockoh wait, questions05:15
LaserJocknvm :-)05:15
HobbseeLaserJock: yes, questions :)05:16
* Hobbsee emailed the ML about it05:16
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jkakarWhere do I apply for a mailing list for my project?06:41
* Hobbsee wishes there was a way of sorting things in a ppa.06:43
wgrantjkakar: Mailing lists are for teams.06:44
jkakarwgrant: Ah, right.  Thanks.06:44
wgrantErm.06:45
jkakarOkay, I see it.06:45
wgrantAre the LP breadcrumb and favicon logos meant to have a white background?06:45
jkakarDoes someone need to be in the team to subscribe to the list?06:45
wgrantjkakar: I believe so.06:46
jkakarwgrant: Cool, thanks.06:46
wgrantSomething about the new notifications makes them look completely out of place.06:55
wgrantParticularly the error one.06:56
jkakarwgrant: Agreed.  The 'This bug has duplicates' message is also formatted the same way notes are, which I find a bit surprising everytime I see it.07:01
jkakarJudging from the discussion above I wonder if I'm in a minority of users that actually like the new UI.07:01
jkakarThere are some rough edges here and there, but I'm very much a fan of putting actions near context, which I think is improved in the new UI.07:02
wgrantI suspect most people will get used to it eventually.07:04
wgrantAt least this UI isn't as blinding as the 1.0 UI was when it was new.07:04
jkakarYes, indeed.  Change is always kind of jarring, especially when it's with something that many of us have finger habits built around.07:04
jkakarHehehe.07:04
kblinmorning folks07:06
GrantbowWhat is "Malone" refered to here? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/CommonTasks   Is that an old code name for launchpad?07:23
spivGrantbow: it's the old name for the bug tracking part of Launchpad.07:24
Grantbowspiv: great, thanks.  Perhaps a simple search and replace would be appropriate?07:24
spivYeah, probably.07:25
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Grantbowspiv: ok, thanks :-)  I edited the wiki on two pages very carefully to reflect the name change from Malone to Launchpad. - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/CommonTasks and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance08:05
BUGabundo_workhello08:25
BUGabundo_workLP (edge) is assuming the old package when reporting new bugs to new packages.08:25
BUGabundo_workis it a feature or bug?08:26
BUGabundo_workok08:30
BUGabundo_workńo answers08:30
BUGabundo_workI've opened bug #24934208:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 249342 in malone "when reporting a new bug, LP assumes the package from previous bug report" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24934208:31
klettegmb: Any news on the importing?10:31
gmbklette: I'm in a meeting atm. I'll get back to you shortly.10:31
kletteenjoy :-)10:32
kletteI love the new design guys, big thumbs up! 10:33
kikonice to hear :)10:33
BUGabundo_workhumm10:33
BUGabundo_workkiko: can't the search be a bit higher?10:34
BUGabundo_workand maybe an action to collapse the subscribed users?10:34
BUGabundo_workits just to long on Ubuntu bugs10:34
kletteOnly thing thats a bit annoying is that the eyes have to search a bit for the «List all open bugs» link 10:34
BUGabundo_workdid you guys ever found who was trying to spam LP with so many fake users?10:35
Odd_BlokeSo I now don't have permissions to request a review of a merge request for my branch that I submitted in either production or on Edge.10:49
Odd_BlokeThis is decidedly inconvenient.10:49
Odd_BlokeAnyone know of an extant bug for this, or should I file one myself?10:52
qenseI've come back from holiday and suddenly LP has a new interface!10:55
qenseit looks nice10:55
qenseyou've done a good job10:59
PengAww, mirroring bzr+http still does't work.11:01
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Hobbseekiko: is there any chance you could change the owner of ~kubuntu-members-kde4 to jr, please?12:55
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Hobbseeor any other LP admin who feels generous12:59
kikoHobbsee, sure.13:08
kikoHobbsee, done13:08
Hobbseekiko: thankyou13:09
kikoyw!13:09
Hobbseekiko: i hit a launchpad bug when attempting to do it, so i presume anyone else that attempts to do this will to13:11
Hobbseeer, too13:11
kikoHobbsee, oh, what's the bug?13:12
Hobbseekiko: i hit change ownership, i type in who it goes to, and hit OK, then get hit with a "you don't have permission to access this page".13:13
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kikoHobbsee, oh, so a permissions problem after submitting?13:13
Hobbseeit appears so.13:13
kikosalgado-afk, ^^^13:15
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hubuntu\sh, are you there? I have a leonov question for you13:19
\shhubuntu: yepp13:19
pep`Hi13:23
pep`I have a question... Someone is currently using my nickname, that is not a problem, I already talked to him when it happened before, I don't want to bother him for the moment as I usually have my nick... but what I find strange is that when I do /whois pep pep I see him as an identified user... how can he be identified with my nick?13:24
emgentkiko: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/3851713:24
emgentplease take a look13:24
pep`oops13:24
pep`wrong channel13:24
Hobbseepep`: /msg nickserv help ghost - then you probably want to hcange your password13:25
Hobbseeno idea why it's showing as identified, though, as it's not cloaked13:26
pep`Hobbsee: he hasn't identified with my nick13:26
pep`he's just marked as such13:27
pep`and I don't want to ghost him without talking to him about it :) kind of rude I think13:27
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geserpep: have you registered your nick on freenode?13:49
pepgeser: oh yes, it's not a problem, I wanted to write that in #freenode channel actually... I only wandered why the person was marked as identified, but apparently he identified with his nick and then nicked to pep.13:50
pepbut thanks for the concern :)13:50
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cmdrjimmy007hi guys14:29
cmdrjimmy007i registed at launchpad for http://shipit.ubuntu.com14:29
mptGooooooooooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!14:30
* beuno waves at mpt 14:32
Hobbseehey mpt!14:34
mpthey hey14:38
mptHobbsee, tell me about "the latest release shown on launchpad [is] the latest one published, even if it's a backport"14:38
mptDo you know if this is reported as a bug?14:39
Hobbseempt: i've no idea.14:40
Hobbseempt: i only noticed it when i tried to use that piece of information, and noticed that it had to be wrong.14:40
mptHobbsee, can you give me an example URL?14:42
Hobbseempt: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/git-core/+bug/24875014:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 248750 in git-core "Please merge git-core 1:1.5.6.2-1 from Debian" [Wishlist,Incomplete] 14:46
Hobbseeerrr....14:46
* Hobbsee scratches head14:47
mptHobbsee, so it shows the latest release as 1:1.5.4.5-1~dapper114:47
mptWhat should it be?14:47
Hobbseewhy do we have a backport that's newer than anything else we have in ubuntu, of that package?14:47
* Hobbsee hadn't noticed that before14:48
Hobbseelamont: ?14:49
Hobbseempt: my error, then.14:49
mptok14:52
lamontHobbsee: yeah, that'd probably be me.14:53
lamontand yeah, I need to merge and upload sid's git-core14:53
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danielmHi all..14:59
danielmcan i use the "Upload translations" form to update a .pot file already uploaded before?14:59
danielmI mean, there is new strings in a new version and it need to update14:59
mptdanielm, I think you can. danilos or jtv will be able to give you a more certain answer when they're around.15:02
danielmoki, thanks :)15:03
\shguys, is something wrong with the bzr code scanner ?15:05
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\shit looks like that the scanner is not working because I can see many branches in the web-frontend, which are not updated properly...while fetching the stuff works as expected15:08
VolansHi all, I have a little question about the new logo... why there is a white background in the logo while it is showed in a gray tab (and the white cover also the top border of the tab)15:09
mptVolans, it's a bug, bug 24947015:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 249470 in launchpad "launchpad logo has a white background" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24947015:11
Volansthank you mpt, I think that it is also not positioned in the right place, not vartically centered in the tab15:13
mptright15:14
Volansmpt: can I add this to the bug?15:15
Volansor you are speaking directly with who work on this?15:16
mptbeuno, it was an attempt to make the "pad" readable15:16
mptwgrant, I think the problem you're referring to with the notifications is bug 24924615:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 249246 in launchpad ""you must log in to Launchpad" icon overlaps location bar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24924615:17
mptklette, the Bugs page for a project hasn't been designed yet. When it is, I'm sure it'll be much easier to see the list of all open bugs.15:18
kiko\sh, hmmm, I haven't heard anything of this15:27
\shkiko: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~shermann as an example...lp:~shermann/python-launchpad-bugs/project-packages-feature pushed 33 mins ago, lp:leonov/0.0.2 pushed 4 hours ago, lp:~shermann/leonov/leonov-kde pushed some hours ago 15:28
\shkiko: bzr merge/bzr branch lp:... works as expected and gives the correct results15:28
\shkiko: but the result of the page is not what's in the branches .. so it isn't rescanned somehow, same behaviour on edge as on stable15:29
\shhoi OgMaciel15:29
OgMaciel\sh: howdy!!!15:29
OgMacielbefore I file an issue/wish list, is there a way to receive rss notification for translations done to your own project?15:30
emgentbarry: hey15:43
emgentbarry: please take a look https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/3851715:43
kikoOgMaciel, nope, there isn't15:44
barryemgent: looking...15:44
OgMacielkiko: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/24948715:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 249487 in ubuntu "RSS feed for new translations added/modifed to a project" [Undecided,New] 15:45
OgMacielkiko: I did not find Rosetta from the available choices so I assigned it to Ubuntu15:45
emgentbarry: thanks. i cant remove it.. and admin of ~registry is sabdfl.15:45
emgentbarry: if you can remove it Thanks :)15:45
barryemgent: does that team have a mailing list?15:45
emgentteam.15:46
emgentuhm yes15:46
emgentbut i`d like remove "Ubuntu-flybook" from "Ubuntu-laptop"15:46
kikoOgMaciel, /ubuntu/?15:46
kikoOgMaciel, this has nothing to do with ubuntu15:47
barryemgent: oh, you just want to remove one team from the other, but not remove the team from lp?15:47
OgMacielkiko: I understand that... my comment says that I assigned it to the distro b/c I couldn't find LP or Rosetta from the choices15:47
emgentremove the team from the other :)15:47
barryemgent: that's not something i can do15:47
kikoOgMaciel, where were you looking? there are no "choices", but you can definitely type in rosetta there15:48
barryemgent: i don't have permissions for that.  kiko should be able to do that though15:48
OgMacielkiko: when you file a bug you can type or choose from a pop up window15:48
barrykiko: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/3851715:48
OgMacielkiko: as I wanted to make sure it got assigned to the proper group and couldn't find it in the drop down... anyhow, I'll edit it and type it in15:49
emgentbarry: ok thanks15:49
kikoOgMaciel, what URL are you referring to?15:50
OgMacielhttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/24948715:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 249487 in ubuntu "RSS feed for new translations added/modifed to a project" [Undecided,Invalid] 15:50
OgMacielkiko: ^^15:51
kikoOgMaciel, no, the URL you filed the bug to15:51
OgMacielhang on15:51
OgMacielhttps://translations.edge.launchpad.net/billreminder/trunk/+pots/billreminder15:51
kikoOgMaciel, huh?!15:52
OgMacielkiko: let's try this again... what exactly are you asking me?15:52
OgMacielI wanted to file a bug... so I went to LP and clicked on Bugs15:52
OgMacielentered the information and had to choose a group/package/project to assign it to15:53
OgMacielUbuntu is selected by defauly15:53
OgMacieldefault15:53
kikoOgMaciel, what URL did you try and file the bug from?15:56
OgMacielkiko: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/+filebug15:58
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kikoOgMaciel, you must have done something wrong, because if I select "project" and choose rosetta, it's there.16:00
OgMacielkiko: okey dokey thanks16:03
solarwindhey all i have a question16:15
solarwindhow do i delete a projecr16:15
solarwindproject*16:15
solarwind?16:15
andrea-bssolarwind: ask a question on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad16:15
solarwindthanks andrea-bs16:16
andrea-bsyou're welcome :)16:16
mptHmm, now that the Subscribers box on a bug report shows the person's/team's actual icon, it's more obvious that many of the people subscribed to all Ubuntu bugs don't use Launchpad any more16:17
solarwindandrea-bs: i asked to delete my project16:18
solarwindis that ok?16:18
andrea-bsmaybe when deactivating an account, subscription to projects should be automatically removed?16:18
solarwindbut i want my account16:19
mptActually, I think I reported a bug about this a couple of days ago16:19
andrea-bssolarwind: yes, this is enough; now you have to wait for an administrator to look after it16:19
solarwindok thanks andrea-bs16:19
solarwindbye all16:19
andrea-bsI found bug 23849316:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 238493 in launchpad "Deactivated account still appear in 'subscribers'-portlet" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23849316:20
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nycerinewaht happens when a translation string changes?16:27
nycerine*what16:27
Laibschhow do I add or invite an individual to become a member of a translation team?16:31
andrea-bsLaibsch: there's no way to invite a member to join a team using Launchpad at the moment16:32
andrea-bsLaibsch: you should send him a mail :)16:32
Laibschwell, how do they join, then?16:33
LaibschEqually confusing 16:33
solarwindi have another question... =\16:33
solarwindmy branch says it hasn't been scanned yet16:33
Laibschandrea-bs: I don't see an option for either thing16:33
solarwindwhat does that mean16:33
andrea-bsLaibsch: is the team restricted?16:33
Laibschpolicy restricted, yes16:33
Laibschif that is what you mean16:33
LaibschI am team admin16:33
beunoah, yes, mthaddon, code scanner is b0rked16:34
andrea-bsLaibsch: you can ask him if he want join the team and add him if he answer 'yes'16:34
mthaddonbeuno, ?16:34
Laibschandrea-bs: I know he wants to join16:35
andrea-bsLaibsch: I'm going to report a bug for this feature16:35
andrea-bsLaibsch: so, just approve him16:35
beunomthaddon, from what I can see, LP's code scanner hasn't been updating since yesterday16:35
Laibschaaargh!!16:35
beunomthaddon, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~loggerhead-team/loggerhead/trunk16:35
Laibschandrea-bs: I fail to see how to do any of this.  That *is* my question16:35
andrea-bsLaibsch: https://launchpad.net/~yourteam/+addmember16:35
LaibschOK16:35
Laibschthanks16:35
beunomthaddon, against:  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~loggerhead-team/loggerhead/trunk/changes16:36
Laibschandrea-bs: I don't think that is linked on any of the relevant pages16:36
solarwindbeuno: i asked the question lol16:36
mthaddonbeuno, ok, thx - will look into it16:36
solarwindoh nvm16:36
beunosolarwind, yes, that reminded me  :)16:36
andrea-bsLaibsch: it's the link 'Add member' on the team homepage16:36
solarwindyea i was wondering why and i was regitein a project WHILE the site was being updated16:37
beunomthaddon, thanks, I forgot to poke mwhudson yesterday  :)16:37
solarwindi was wondering what was going on16:37
solarwindsometimes the menus were on the right16:37
solarwindand sometimes on left16:37
solarwindand sometimes pages wouldnt load16:37
mthaddonsure, thx16:37
Laibschandrea-bs: I am talking about the translation groups16:37
LaibschLet me give you the URL16:37
andrea-bsthanks16:37
mptjkakar, where do you see that " The 'This bug has duplicates' message is also formatted the same way notes are"?16:37
Laibschandrea-bs: https://translations.launchpad.net/+groups/gnucash16:38
Laibschnot talking about ~gnucash16:38
solarwindalso, there's no link to "BROWSE SOURCE" on my project's code page16:38
solarwindbut i can still browse source with the right URL16:38
solarwindhow do i get that link to BROWSE SOURCE show up on my project's CODE page16:38
andrea-bsLaibsch: ah, ok16:39
Laibschandrea-bs: do you know how I can add a member?16:39
andrea-bsLaibsch: I don't know how exactly translations groups work, so I'm not the right person16:39
LaibschI can appoint dedicated individuals per language16:39
LaibschOK, thanks16:39
Laibschjtv: ping16:39
andrea-bsLaibsch: did you try searching in help.launchpad.net?16:40
beunosolarwind, what's the URL?16:40
Laibschandrea-bs: I googled16:40
solarwindbeuno: it's https://code.launchpad.net/ggmail16:40
beunosolarwind, ah, apparently you need it scanned before it shows that link  (which seems a bit odd to me)16:41
OgMacielandrea-bs: thanks for updating my bug16:41
beunosolarwind, it will fix itself once they get the code scanner to come back from the dead16:41
solarwindthanks beuno16:41
andrea-bsOgMaciel: you're welcome ;)16:42
OgMaciel:)16:42
solarwindbeuno, im new to launchpad, is it possible to ad other members to be able to commit to my project?16:42
* OgMaciel breaks for lunch16:42
beunosolarwind, sure. What you do is create a team, upload the code to the team, and anyone on it can commit16:43
solarwindahh got it16:43
solarwindbut16:43
solarwindwhat if my project is already set up16:43
solarwindand i only need like one or two other people to be abel to commit16:43
solarwindand a team seems too much16:43
solarwindis it possible to add just one more person?16:43
solarwind?16:45
beunosolarwind, you can't allow people to commit to your branches16:45
beunothey can upload branches, and you can merge from them16:46
kikosolarwind, but you can give your branch to a team, though16:46
beunobut for multiplayer committing, you need a team16:46
beunooh!  kiko es back!  hi kiko16:46
solarwindbeuno: thanks that seems like a good idea, so anyone can just create a branch?16:47
solarwindand i can merge them?16:47
solarwindhow would i know if someone created a branch related to my project?16:47
solarwinddamn bzr branching takes forever16:48
solarwindeven just to start16:48
beunosolarwind, yes, anyone can create a branch and upload to the project16:48
solarwindbeuno: so how do i kno whos done that16:48
beunoso, they can as for a merge request, when they feel there branch is ready16:48
solarwindAHH16:48
solarwindgot it16:48
solarwindthanks!16:48
beunosolarwind, you can also go the your projects URL, and see what other branches are laying around16:49
solarwindyea16:49
abentleyOdd_Bloke: Can you be a bit less vague?16:49
solarwindand is bzr branch suposed to take SOO long?16:49
solarwindi typed in bzr branch lp:etracer16:50
beunosolarwind, how big is the branch?16:50
solarwindjust to try it out16:50
solarwindand its sitting there16:50
solarwindseems to be doing nothing16:50
solarwindfor the past minute16:50
beunosolarwind, it seems like a big-ish branch, it may take a few minutes to download16:51
solarwindbut im not getting any output beuno16:52
solarwindits just sitting there, is that supposed to happen?16:52
solarwindat least my svn checkout is giving me some output16:52
jtvLaibsch: pong16:53
andrea-bsLaibsch: I've reported bug 249508. I can't do more, sorry16:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 249508 in rosetta "It is not obvious how to add a member to a translation group" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24950816:53
beunosolarwind, it depends, but it's not abnormal for it to sit around for a bit16:53
solarwindgot it16:53
Laibschandrea-bs: thanks16:54
Laibschjtv: how do I add a member to a translation group?16:54
solarwindits been like 5 minutes now =\16:54
solarwindanyway gotta go l16:54
solarwindlater all16:54
solarwindand thanks for the help16:54
jtvLaibsch: doesn't the group's page show you the "Appoint additional translators" link?16:55
Laibschyes16:55
LaibschI can appoint one translator per language16:55
Laibschthat's not what I call a team16:55
jtvLaibsch: then appoint a team instead of a person :-)16:56
Laibschhow dumb is that?16:56
LaibschI have a translation group to act as a team16:56
Laibschthen I create another group (to get a team)16:57
jtvLaibsch: the terminology is a bit weird, but teams are a building block that you can use for all sorts of groupings.16:57
Laibschso I can appoint that team (that we hope is really a team now) to be responsible for language X?16:57
jtvYes16:57
beunohm, bzr in LP seems particularly slow today...16:57
Laibschvery strange16:57
jtvLaibsch: in any place I can think of, if you can use a person, you can use a team as well.16:57
Laibschwhy all the trouble with the translation *group*, then?  You could just have that as part of the project?16:58
Laibschthat extra layer seems to be totally superfluous16:58
jtvLaibsch: the group can serve many different projects (and products, and distributions)16:58
Laibschand very confusing16:58
Laibschjtv: that is no reason to have a group16:59
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Laibscha translation group separate from the project itself16:59
jtvLaibsch: if you look at https://translations.launchpad.net/+groups/ you'll see.16:59
Laibschor can you explain to me why that is necessary?17:00
Laibschno17:00
LaibschThose groups could be simple teams17:00
Laibschinstead of groups17:00
Laibschwhat do the groups add that is necessary?17:00
LaibschThey add a lot of potential for confusion, that is for sure17:01
jtvTranslation groups treat languages separately.  A translation team could be in multiple groups.17:01
jtvMore importantly, a project is free to associate itself with a translation group of its choice.17:02
andrea-bsjtv: please see bug 249508; I've updated it with more information and suggestions17:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 249508 in rosetta "It is not obvious how to add a team to a translation group" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24950817:02
Laibschbut its not a necessity.  IOW, translation teams could take over translation groups right away.  If LP had only teams, the whole model still works.  But it does not work without teams, groups are not sufficient.17:03
jtvandrea-bs: the bit about translation teams is documented elsewhere, on help.launchpad.net.17:03
jtvandrea-bs: so "not obvious" I'll buy, but not "undocumented."17:03
andrea-bsjtv: there's only https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/Groups/Draft17:04
andrea-bsjtv: it tells how to join a team, not how to add a member17:04
jtvandrea-bs: there's also this one (not sure why it has this name though, it's not easy to find): https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/YourProject/Draft17:06
andrea-bsjtv: neither this page tells you how to add a member (I searched "appoint additional translators")17:08
* Laibsch does not think this is a documentation problem.17:09
LaibschIf you have to document something, the GUI sucks ;-)17:10
LaibschI think the concept needs rethinking17:10
jtvIt needs an update.  Some of the terminology is from older incarnations of the process.17:11
jtvIt shouldn't say "translator," in particular.  That seems to have been the problem here.17:14
jtvBetter explanation of the model would help too, of course.17:15
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jtvBut "translator" should be something like "reviewer or translation team," and then it would be much more obvious.  We made some changes in that direction this month.17:16
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parumihi all, i need some urgent help. my project (clam) repository is in danger because of this: https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/clam/trunk17:24
bdmurrayDidn't there used to be a link to the mailing list archive on team pages?17:24
parumito be more specific: launchpad is running daily imports of our repository. all of them fails. And the sysadm of our project wants to shut down our repository because uses too much bandwith17:25
kikoparumi, do you want the import stopped?17:25
parumii've already filed a question https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/38806 but no response. 17:25
andrea-bsbdmurray: yep, 'Mailing list archive' under 'Summary' and above 'Contact details'17:25
parumikiko: yes 17:26
kikoparumi, it's interesting, though -- it shouldn't really use much bandwidth at all17:26
bdmurrayandrea-bs: thanks, it escaped me17:26
jtvkiko: maybe they see the connections, not actual bandwidth?17:26
parumiwell, many GB downloaded every day, in a server which is hardloaded per ser17:26
andrea-bsbdmurray: yw! :)17:27
parumiso the urgent thing is stop the automatic imports. But the second thing would be to find a way to have the import done. Why is it resuming from zero each 26-28 hours??17:28
kikojtv, ah, the import never succeeded.17:28
kikoparumi, it's because it never managed to succeed even once.17:28
jtvkiko: ...so it keeps trying again, with all those connections17:28
parumikiko: i know. but why the import is not incremental? could not it be done in multiple connections?17:29
jtvparumi: the initial setup involves lots of connections for some reason.17:30
jtvparumi: so if that goes wrong, the whole thing probably restarts from scratch.17:30
jtvparumi: so one manual import by the admins may fix the problem forever.17:30
parumibtw, is there any admin here with rights to stop the automatic imports?17:31
kikoparumi, yeah, it could.. see your question.17:31
parumithanks cristian :-)17:32
parumiok, after seeing it consistently fails, should we try a different approach? i could provide a tarball of the svn repo to download, whould that help?17:34
kikoparumi, you could provide a tarball, yeah, that can be used for the first import17:35
kikothat needs its own question and then mwhudson can check it out17:36
parumikiko: so i should start a *new* question (closing this https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/38806) ?17:37
jkakarmpt: I just looked to see if I could create a screenshot for you, with the "This bug has N duplicates" formatted as a note, but that behaviour isn't occurring anymore.  If I see it again I'll take a screenshot and file a bug.17:39
parumikiko: silence means yes, right? :-)17:41
mptjkakar, I'm pretty sure that's something I fixed yesterday17:51
jkakarmpt: Ah, cool.17:53
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Nghow do I get the http address for a bzr branch on launchpad these days?18:04
beunoNg, the addresses should be predictable, something like http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~user/project/branch18:05
Ngthanks18:06
beuno:)18:06
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BUGabundomatsubara: hi18:53
BUGabundoabout #24934218:53
matsubarabug 24934218:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 249342 in malone "when reporting a new bug, LP assumes the package from previous bug report" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24934218:53
BUGabundoLP (egde)18:54
matsubaraBUGabundo: please reply in the bug itself18:54
BUGabundookay18:54
matsubarathanks18:54
BUGabundobut it would be must faster here18:54
BUGabundoand then one of us would post there the resume18:55
Rinchen>> Come join us for the Launchpad Dev meeting in #launchpad-meeting.  Starts in 2 minutes18:58
BUGabundomatsubara: its now updated19:02
jkakarI've recently (in the past 3 days or so) received a lot of "old" bug mail.  Is there something going on that's delaying some messages or is this a bug somewhere?  In some cases messages are 3-days stale by the time I get them.19:37
BjornTjkakar: there shouldn't be anything in launchpad causing this. although, could you send me (bjorn at canonical) an example, including all the headers?20:00
jkakarBjornT: Yep, I'll find one of the ones that came through and get it to you.20:00
jkakarBjornT: Sent.20:09
BjornTthanks20:09
emgentconfirmation LP email dont arrived. LP bug ?20:33
emgentok done solved.20:35
kikowoo20:37
* cody-somerville wonders if it makes sense to automatically open a task for the latest development release when targeting a specific release.21:06
thekornhi, scanning of branches does not work, is it known?21:26
thekornI mean "recent revisions" is not up to date21:27
mwhudsonthekorn: yes21:37
thekornmwhudson, ok, do you have any idea when it will work again, minutes or hours?21:38
thumperthekorn: it is working through the backlog now21:48
thekornthumper, ok, super, thanks21:48
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emgentuhmm..22:13
emgentthinking .. Launchpad is graphically more agreeable now. excellent work Launchpad designers and coders. \o/22:14
bdrung_i have linked a svn trunk branch to my launchpad project some month ago, but it is not imported jet: https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/dvdbackup/trunk . did i do something wrong?22:35
mwhudsonbdrung_: no, we have rather a backlog of import requests :(22:37
mwhudsonbdrung_: i've approved it now22:37
nedkomwhudson: i have two too :)22:37
bdrung_mwhudson: thanks22:38
nedkohttps://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/jackit/jack1-trunk22:38
nedkohttps://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/jackit/jack2-trunk22:38
mwhudsonnedko: hm, are they branches of the same project, or what?22:39
mwhudsonusually we only import the mainline branch22:39
mwhudson(but exceptions can be made)22:39
nedkomwhudson: two branches of same project, but we have two mainline branches22:39
nedkoand some minor branches (no need to import them of course)22:39
mwhudsonnedko: so when they get imported, they will be entirely separate branches as far as bzr is concerned22:40
mwhudsonnedko: do you see that being a problem?22:40
nedkothey are entierly separate codebases, so no problem22:40
nedkothey cannot be merged22:40
mwhudsonokidoke22:40
nedkoand until recently they were even in different repos22:40
mwhudsonnedko: i've approved them22:41
nedkomwhudson: thanks22:41
nedkomwhudson: https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/jackit/main this one is really dead, probably it was imported to svn long time ago, i'm not sure what should be done with it, i;m almost sure cvs repo used for polling is down now22:42
nedkoor maybe not22:43
* nedko is investigating22:43
mwhudsonmost recent imported change was in 200622:44
nedkoit is just abandoned22:44
bdrung_can it be that launchpad is slow?22:44
nedkomwhudson: i doubt it has any purpose, probably should be deleted or at least disabled somehow22:45
mwhudsonnedko: ok, i'll mark it as abandoned and suspend it22:45
nedkomwhudson: nice :)22:45
mwhudsonwhich requires three separate forms or something, oh well22:46
mwhudsonbdrung_: 22:46
mwhudson?22:46
nedkomwhudson: i have one more question, can git branch be imported22:46
mwhudsonnedko: nope, not yet at least22:46
nedkomwhudson: ok22:46
mwhudsonthere is a bug, let me find it22:46
bdrung_mwhudson: the launchpad sites need some seconds to load22:47
mwhudsonnedko: you could subscribe to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/104564 22:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 104564 in launchpad-bazaar "git based import for projects in addition to cvs and svn import" [Wishlist,Confirmed] 22:47
nedkomwhudson: thanks!22:47
nedkomwhudson: beer for you! :)22:47
mwhudsonbdrung_: it doesn't seem any slower than normal to me22:47
mwhudsonnedko: it's not 10 am yet for me, bit early :)22:47
nedkomwhudson: you can save it for later then ;)22:48
mwhudsonthanks :)22:48
bdrung_mwhudson: its slower as usual. when i open https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/dvdbackup/trunk firefox shows the loading bar, after some seconds the content appears, but firefox still loads22:51
mwhudsonhm22:51
mwhudsoni'm a beta tester, so on edge22:51
mwhudsonbdrung_: is https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/dvdbackup/trunk faster for you?22:51
bdrung_mwhudson: edge is significant faster.22:53
mwhudsonbdrung_: interesting22:53
mwhudsonlet me find a sysadmin to bother22:53
mptThanks emgent 22:55
bdrung_edge needs 5 secs, lp needs 5-10 secs but firefox shows the loading bar for minutes.22:56
bdrung_this only appears on reloading the page.22:56
emgentmpt: no, thanks for you! LP Rocks.22:56
bdrung_opening it the first time it only needs 1 sec.22:57
mthaddonbdrung_, I'm not able to reproduce (but am still looking into it) production seems just as fast (if not faster) than edge for me22:59
emgents/for/to/23:02
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bdrung_mtaylor: now its faster, but the problem that production shows the loading bar till it dies when pressing on reload button of firefox23:03
bdrung_reloading a edge page works23:05
mtaylorbdrung_: perhaps that was for someone who wasn't me? 23:05
bdrung_mtaylor: sorry, it was for mthaddon 23:06
bdrung_i am confused, sorry mthaddon. it was for mwhudson.23:07
mthaddonnp23:08
mwhudsonbdrung_: sounds strange23:08
* Laney just had to hunt for the dupe button23:09
spmbdrung_: can you help us on this a bit beyond the norm? Can you install firebug within firefox and do some network speed shots?23:09
bdrung_mwhudson: it works with every production site (e.g. launchpad.net ).23:10
bdrung_spm: strange. i have installed firebug, restarted firefox and the problem is gone.23:12
spmbdrung_: Big ask: can you blow your cache and try again? "NO!!!" is an acceptable answer! :-)23:12
bdrung_spm: i have cleared the cache. but the problem is gone. i cannot reproduce it.23:17
bdrung_maybe it was caused by the cache.23:18
spmbdrung_: lots of possible variables. None I'd dismiss out of hand at this point.23:22
bdrung_spm: i hate those bugs, wich you cannot reproduce23:24
spm:-)23:25
Odd_Blokeabentley: Sure.  Sorry I wasn't around earlier, I was at the theatre. :)23:40
jdobriennice job guys. Looks great23:41
Odd_Blokeabentley: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/24962123:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 249621 in launchpad "Permission denied when requesting a review of a merge request" [Undecided,New] 23:53
mwhudsondupe!23:54
LEW21How long it usually takes Launchpad to scan imported branch with 7000+ revisions? phpBB was imported 6 hours ago, and it didn't scanned it yet.23:55
mwhudsonscanning got stuck for a while23:56
mwhudsonthe scanner is chewing through the backlog23:56
mwhudsonslowly :(23:56
abentleyOdd_Bloke: So as mwhudson has pointed out, this is a dupe.  The specific problem is that Jelmer is cagey with his email address-- you don't have permission to find out what it is, and currently you need that in order to notify him.  A fix is pending.23:58

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