[00:00] <LaserJock> I file bugs, I was the LP Liaison, I've help where I can and have gotten a worse product in return
[00:00] <elmo> dude, that's not fair
[00:01] <elmo> do you honestly think LP is worse, now than it was<n>?  if so how?
[00:05] <LaserJock> yeah, it is
[00:05] <LaserJock> the source package pages are worse
[00:05] <LaserJock> we used to get full lists of packages we've uploaded
[00:07] <LaserJock> we used to be able to sort search results better
[00:07] <cody-somerville> My biggest problem is the bread crumb
[00:08] <elmo> LaserJock: ok, so those are regressions, but I think calling the product as a whole 'worse' is misleading and doesn't exactly encourage a productive conversation
[00:09] <elmo> LaserJock: I'd suggest tracking this and other things, some place, so you've got something clear and unequivocal to point to
[00:10] <elmo> LaserJock: like the wiki page I was talking about earlier.  I realise it's in the bugs, but digging through the history of that isn't hugely fun.  and if you do it on a separate page, you can rate things, according to _your_ (MOTUs) priorities
[00:10] <LaserJock> elmo: well, been there done that
[00:10] <LaserJock> I realize I'm not being all that constructive right now
[00:10] <cody-somerville> LaserJock, who is the new LP liaison?
[00:11] <LaserJock> but I've been trying to be constructive for over a year now and it really hasn't gotten much done
[00:11] <LaserJock> cody-somerville: siretart
[00:11] <LaserJock> elmo: the problem isn't priorities
[00:11] <LaserJock> elmo: the problem is that it takes too long to get things done
[00:12] <LaserJock> which is not an easy thing to fix I know
[00:12] <elmo> LaserJock: err?
[00:12] <elmo> LaserJock: it takes too long to get things done because they're not being prioritized above the things that are getting done, surely?
[00:12] <LaserJock> exactly
[00:12] <LaserJock> that's why everybody is frustrated
[00:12] <elmo> ok, but then surely the problem _is_ priorities?
[00:12] <cody-somerville> How many people are involved in developing launchpad?
[00:12] <LaserJock> elmo: not on our end
[00:12] <LaserJock> elmo: we've prioritized
[00:13] <elmo> LaserJock: gah, dude, stop making this a finger pointing thing
[00:13] <elmo> I wasn't saying it was your problem
[00:13] <elmo> I'm saying the problem is priorities -> why I think it's important your priorties are clearly/unequivocally recorded
[00:13] <LaserJock> elmo: I realize that, but since we can't control LP what can we do
[00:13] <elmo> LaserJock: lobby in a constructive way?
[00:14] <elmo> rinchen told you earlier, he and kiko are trying to get LP more dev focused for the next cycle
[00:14] <elmo> and it's true, I've been witness to such conversations myself
[00:14] <LaserJock> well
[00:14] <LaserJock> that's good
[00:14] <elmo> so, sure, it may not have worked in the past, and I'm sorry it didn't.  but giving up now, and just venting isn't going to do much other than make you feel better in the short term
[00:15] <elmo> s/it/lobbying constructively/
[00:15] <LaserJock> but as I said earlier, I'm afraid it's tool little too late
[00:15] <Rinchen> The bad part is that complaining doesn't help. It simply motivates the developers.
[00:15] <LaserJock> *too
[00:15] <Rinchen> heh
[00:15] <Rinchen> de motivates
[00:15] <elmo> LaserJock: eh, in what way?
[00:16] <LaserJock> elmo: because developers are giving up on Launchpad because of broken promises and constant RSN
[00:16] <nycerine> has that meeting been yet?
[00:16] <LaserJock> as LP liaison I saw bugs deferred and deferred months on end
[00:16] <LaserJock> things often take 6months - 1year more to really land than what we're told
[00:16] <Rinchen> btw, for anyone who is wondering, we ran into a QA test failure which is holding up the release
[00:17] <Rinchen> we're working on it now
[00:35]  * wgrant reappears, at work.
[00:37] <wgrant> Filing bugs doesn't help - they largely just sit around forever. All these nice, useful features are coming RSN. Some things have been deferred since 1.1.9. Things get deferred month upon month, then get deferred indefinitely. We can't see the specs, so they're implemented and break things in ridiculous ways. There seems to be a focus on breaking everybody's memory of the UI every 12 months, leaving it inconsistent ...
[00:37] <wgrant> ... across releases, and fixing speed regressions by eliminating visibility of some information.
[02:05]  * Hobbsee wonders at the highlights
[02:09] <Hobbsee> elmo: w.r.t. the soyuz admin thing, (and i doubt laserjock knows about this) it's probably a good thing that it hasn't been announced yet, as this is the first cycle where launchpad *hasn't* broken when attempting to accept packages.
[02:10] <Hobbsee> so it's probably still not safe enough to fully rely on, in a mission critical sense.
[02:10] <Hobbsee> and may only be, this ubuntu cycle.
[02:10] <emgent> moin Hobbsee :)
[02:10] <Hobbsee> heya
[02:11] <Hobbsee> elmo: not trying to point the finger there, just stating the facts about it's reliability.
[02:11] <Hobbsee> fwiw, i don't see why people are changing things in pointless ways, which definetly count as regressions.  who's idea, exactly, was it that the latest release shown on launchpad should be the latest one published, even if it's a backport?
[02:13] <Hobbsee> were ubuntu people consulted (as they're the only ones with that section), as to whether this would actually be useful for them?
[03:03] <ScottK> elmo: At this point, from my perspective, words about distro development being a priority in the future don't have a lot of credibility.
[04:15] <beuno> Rinchen, LP icon on the hierarchy in the main page doesn't look right
[04:16] <beuno> mpt, ^
[04:17] <beuno> and congrats on the roll out  :)
[04:18] <mthaddon> hey bueno, back at home?
[04:19] <mthaddon> beuno, maybe I should try and spell your name right :)
[04:19] <beuno> hey mthaddon!
[04:19] <beuno> didn't see you on friday
[04:19] <beuno> yeah, I'm back home, got here on sunday
[04:20] <beuno> you still in London?
[04:20] <mthaddon> no, was just there for the week too
[04:21] <mthaddon> good to meet you (if briefly) while I was there - seemed like you and mpt were working a lot - hope you got to enjoy it too
[04:22] <beuno> likewise, I would of liked to gone out to dinner or something, but yeah, we where a bit tight with the release  :)
[04:22] <beuno> we'll probably bump into each other again
[04:23] <mthaddon> I'm sure :)
[04:46] <ScottK> It is prettier than it was on edge.  I'll give it that.  It's probably a better look.  Functionally, a big step backwards as I've said before.
[04:57] <ScottK> mpt: Reading your blog entry, I guess your closed to any rethinking of the new design because we'll just get used to it?
[04:58]  * ScottK gives up again.
[05:08]  * Hobbsee notes that the janitor is still expiring questions that haven't had a final response from the LP devs.
[05:11] <Hobbsee> 11 questions expired because launchpad developers never got back to their users.  1 question expired where the user never got back to the launchpad developers.
[05:12] <Hobbsee> hmm, i think i'll bug kiko directly about an ownership change again.
[05:14] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: I didn't think Janitor was actually closing bugs
[05:15] <LaserJock> oh wait, questions
[05:15] <LaserJock> nvm :-)
[05:16] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: yes, questions :)
[05:16]  * Hobbsee emailed the ML about it
[06:41] <jkakar> Where do I apply for a mailing list for my project?
[06:43]  * Hobbsee wishes there was a way of sorting things in a ppa.
[06:44] <wgrant> jkakar: Mailing lists are for teams.
[06:44] <jkakar> wgrant: Ah, right.  Thanks.
[06:45] <wgrant> Erm.
[06:45] <jkakar> Okay, I see it.
[06:45] <wgrant> Are the LP breadcrumb and favicon logos meant to have a white background?
[06:45] <jkakar> Does someone need to be in the team to subscribe to the list?
[06:46] <wgrant> jkakar: I believe so.
[06:46] <jkakar> wgrant: Cool, thanks.
[06:55] <wgrant> Something about the new notifications makes them look completely out of place.
[06:56] <wgrant> Particularly the error one.
[07:01] <jkakar> wgrant: Agreed.  The 'This bug has duplicates' message is also formatted the same way notes are, which I find a bit surprising everytime I see it.
[07:01] <jkakar> Judging from the discussion above I wonder if I'm in a minority of users that actually like the new UI.
[07:02] <jkakar> There are some rough edges here and there, but I'm very much a fan of putting actions near context, which I think is improved in the new UI.
[07:04] <wgrant> I suspect most people will get used to it eventually.
[07:04] <wgrant> At least this UI isn't as blinding as the 1.0 UI was when it was new.
[07:04] <jkakar> Yes, indeed.  Change is always kind of jarring, especially when it's with something that many of us have finger habits built around.
[07:04] <jkakar> Hehehe.
[07:06] <kblin> morning folks
[07:23] <Grantbow> What is "Malone" refered to here? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/CommonTasks   Is that an old code name for launchpad?
[07:24] <spiv> Grantbow: it's the old name for the bug tracking part of Launchpad.
[07:24] <Grantbow> spiv: great, thanks.  Perhaps a simple search and replace would be appropriate?
[07:25] <spiv> Yeah, probably.
[08:05] <Grantbow> spiv: ok, thanks :-)  I edited the wiki on two pages very carefully to reflect the name change from Malone to Launchpad. - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/CommonTasks and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance
[08:25] <BUGabundo_work> hello
[08:25] <BUGabundo_work> LP (edge) is assuming the old package when reporting new bugs to new packages.
[08:26] <BUGabundo_work> is it a feature or bug?
[08:30] <BUGabundo_work> ok
[08:30] <BUGabundo_work> ńo answers
[08:31] <BUGabundo_work> I've opened bug #249342
[10:31] <klette> gmb: Any news on the importing?
[10:31] <gmb> klette: I'm in a meeting atm. I'll get back to you shortly.
[10:32] <klette> enjoy :-)
[10:33] <klette> I love the new design guys, big thumbs up! 
[10:33] <kiko> nice to hear :)
[10:33] <BUGabundo_work> humm
[10:34] <BUGabundo_work> kiko: can't the search be a bit higher?
[10:34] <BUGabundo_work> and maybe an action to collapse the subscribed users?
[10:34] <BUGabundo_work> its just to long on Ubuntu bugs
[10:34] <klette> Only thing thats a bit annoying is that the eyes have to search a bit for the «List all open bugs» link 
[10:35] <BUGabundo_work> did you guys ever found who was trying to spam LP with so many fake users?
[10:49] <Odd_Bloke> So I now don't have permissions to request a review of a merge request for my branch that I submitted in either production or on Edge.
[10:49] <Odd_Bloke> This is decidedly inconvenient.
[10:52] <Odd_Bloke> Anyone know of an extant bug for this, or should I file one myself?
[10:55] <qense> I've come back from holiday and suddenly LP has a new interface!
[10:55] <qense> it looks nice
[10:59] <qense> you've done a good job
[11:01] <Peng> Aww, mirroring bzr+http still does't work.
[12:55] <Hobbsee> kiko: is there any chance you could change the owner of ~kubuntu-members-kde4 to jr, please?
[12:59] <Hobbsee> or any other LP admin who feels generous
[13:08] <kiko> Hobbsee, sure.
[13:08] <kiko> Hobbsee, done
[13:09] <Hobbsee> kiko: thankyou
[13:09] <kiko> yw!
[13:11] <Hobbsee> kiko: i hit a launchpad bug when attempting to do it, so i presume anyone else that attempts to do this will to
[13:11] <Hobbsee> er, too
[13:12] <kiko> Hobbsee, oh, what's the bug?
[13:13] <Hobbsee> kiko: i hit change ownership, i type in who it goes to, and hit OK, then get hit with a "you don't have permission to access this page".
[13:13] <kiko> Hobbsee, oh, so a permissions problem after submitting?
[13:13] <Hobbsee> it appears so.
[13:15] <kiko> salgado-afk, ^^^
[13:19] <hubuntu> \sh, are you there? I have a leonov question for you
[13:19] <\sh> hubuntu: yepp
[13:23] <pep`> Hi
[13:24] <pep`> I have a question... Someone is currently using my nickname, that is not a problem, I already talked to him when it happened before, I don't want to bother him for the moment as I usually have my nick... but what I find strange is that when I do /whois pep pep I see him as an identified user... how can he be identified with my nick?
[13:24] <emgent> kiko: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/38517
[13:24] <emgent> please take a look
[13:24] <pep`> oops
[13:24] <pep`> wrong channel
[13:25] <Hobbsee> pep`: /msg nickserv help ghost - then you probably want to hcange your password
[13:26] <Hobbsee> no idea why it's showing as identified, though, as it's not cloaked
[13:26] <pep`> Hobbsee: he hasn't identified with my nick
[13:27] <pep`> he's just marked as such
[13:27] <pep`> and I don't want to ghost him without talking to him about it :) kind of rude I think
[13:49] <geser> pep: have you registered your nick on freenode?
[13:50] <pep> geser: oh yes, it's not a problem, I wanted to write that in #freenode channel actually... I only wandered why the person was marked as identified, but apparently he identified with his nick and then nicked to pep.
[13:50] <pep> but thanks for the concern :)
[14:29] <cmdrjimmy007> hi guys
[14:29] <cmdrjimmy007> i registed at launchpad for http://shipit.ubuntu.com
[14:30] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[14:32]  * beuno waves at mpt 
[14:34] <Hobbsee> hey mpt!
[14:38] <mpt> hey hey
[14:38] <mpt> Hobbsee, tell me about "the latest release shown on launchpad [is] the latest one published, even if it's a backport"
[14:39] <mpt> Do you know if this is reported as a bug?
[14:40] <Hobbsee> mpt: i've no idea.
[14:40] <Hobbsee> mpt: i only noticed it when i tried to use that piece of information, and noticed that it had to be wrong.
[14:42] <mpt> Hobbsee, can you give me an example URL?
[14:46] <Hobbsee> mpt: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/git-core/+bug/248750
[14:46] <Hobbsee> errr....
[14:47]  * Hobbsee scratches head
[14:47] <mpt> Hobbsee, so it shows the latest release as 1:1.5.4.5-1~dapper1
[14:47] <mpt> What should it be?
[14:47] <Hobbsee> why do we have a backport that's newer than anything else we have in ubuntu, of that package?
[14:48]  * Hobbsee hadn't noticed that before
[14:49] <Hobbsee> lamont: ?
[14:49] <Hobbsee> mpt: my error, then.
[14:52] <mpt> ok
[14:53] <lamont> Hobbsee: yeah, that'd probably be me.
[14:53] <lamont> and yeah, I need to merge and upload sid's git-core
[14:59] <danielm> Hi all..
[14:59] <danielm> ﻿can i use the "Upload translations" form to update a .pot file already uploaded before?
[14:59] <danielm> ﻿I mean, there is new strings in a new version and it need to update
[15:02] <mpt> danielm, I think you can. danilos or jtv will be able to give you a more certain answer when they're around.
[15:03] <danielm> oki, thanks :)
[15:05] <\sh> guys, is something wrong with the bzr code scanner ?
[15:08] <\sh> it looks like that the scanner is not working because I can see many branches in the web-frontend, which are not updated properly...while fetching the stuff works as expected
[15:09] <Volans> Hi all, I have a little question about the new logo... why there is a white background in the logo while it is showed in a gray tab (and the white cover also the top border of the tab)
[15:11] <mpt> Volans, it's a bug, bug 249470
[15:13] <Volans> thank you mpt, I think that it is also not positioned in the right place, not vartically centered in the tab
[15:14] <mpt> right
[15:15] <Volans> mpt: can I add this to the bug?
[15:16] <Volans> or you are speaking directly with who work on this?
[15:16] <mpt> beuno, it was an attempt to make the "pad" readable
[15:17] <mpt> wgrant, I think the problem you're referring to with the notifications is bug 249246
[15:18] <mpt> klette, the Bugs page for a project hasn't been designed yet. When it is, I'm sure it'll be much easier to see the list of all open bugs.
[15:27] <kiko> \sh, hmmm, I haven't heard anything of this
[15:28] <\sh> kiko: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~shermann as an example...lp:~shermann/python-launchpad-bugs/project-packages-feature pushed 33 mins ago, lp:leonov/0.0.2 pushed 4 hours ago, lp:~shermann/leonov/leonov-kde pushed some hours ago 
[15:28] <\sh> kiko: bzr merge/bzr branch lp:... works as expected and gives the correct results
[15:29] <\sh> kiko: but the result of the page is not what's in the branches .. so it isn't rescanned somehow, same behaviour on edge as on stable
[15:29] <\sh> hoi OgMaciel
[15:29] <OgMaciel> \sh: howdy!!!
[15:30] <OgMaciel> before I file an issue/wish list, is there a way to receive rss notification for translations done to your own project?
[15:43] <emgent> barry: hey
[15:43] <emgent> barry: please take a look https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/38517
[15:44] <kiko> OgMaciel, nope, there isn't
[15:44] <barry> emgent: looking...
[15:45] <OgMaciel> kiko: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/249487
[15:45] <OgMaciel> kiko: I did not find Rosetta from the available choices so I assigned it to Ubuntu
[15:45] <emgent> barry: thanks. i cant remove it.. and admin of ~registry is sabdfl.
[15:45] <emgent> barry: if you can remove it Thanks :)
[15:45] <barry> emgent: does that team have a mailing list?
[15:46] <emgent> team.
[15:46] <emgent> uhm yes
[15:46] <emgent> but i`d like remove "Ubuntu-flybook" from "Ubuntu-laptop"
[15:46] <kiko> OgMaciel, /ubuntu/?
[15:47] <kiko> OgMaciel, this has nothing to do with ubuntu
[15:47] <barry> emgent: oh, you just want to remove one team from the other, but not remove the team from lp?
[15:47] <OgMaciel> kiko: I understand that... my comment says that I assigned it to the distro b/c I couldn't find LP or Rosetta from the choices
[15:47] <emgent> remove the team from the other :)
[15:47] <barry> emgent: that's not something i can do
[15:48] <kiko> OgMaciel, where were you looking? there are no "choices", but you can definitely type in rosetta there
[15:48] <barry> emgent: i don't have permissions for that.  kiko should be able to do that though
[15:48] <OgMaciel> kiko: when you file a bug you can type or choose from a pop up window
[15:48] <barry> kiko: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/38517
[15:49] <OgMaciel> kiko: as I wanted to make sure it got assigned to the proper group and couldn't find it in the drop down... anyhow, I'll edit it and type it in
[15:49] <emgent> barry: ok thanks
[15:50] <kiko> OgMaciel, what URL are you referring to?
[15:50] <OgMaciel> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/249487
[15:51] <OgMaciel> kiko: ^^
[15:51] <kiko> OgMaciel, no, the URL you filed the bug to
[15:51] <OgMaciel> hang on
[15:51] <OgMaciel> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/billreminder/trunk/+pots/billreminder
[15:52] <kiko> OgMaciel, huh?!
[15:52] <OgMaciel> kiko: let's try this again... what exactly are you asking me?
[15:52] <OgMaciel> I wanted to file a bug... so I went to LP and clicked on Bugs
[15:53] <OgMaciel> entered the information and had to choose a group/package/project to assign it to
[15:53] <OgMaciel> Ubuntu is selected by defauly
[15:53] <OgMaciel> default
[15:56] <kiko> OgMaciel, what URL did you try and file the bug from?
[15:58] <OgMaciel> kiko: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/+filebug
[16:00] <kiko> OgMaciel, you must have done something wrong, because if I select "project" and choose rosetta, it's there.
[16:03] <OgMaciel> kiko: okey dokey thanks
[16:15] <solarwind> hey all i have a question
[16:15] <solarwind> how do i delete a projecr
[16:15] <solarwind> project*
[16:15] <solarwind> ?
[16:15] <andrea-bs> solarwind: ask a question on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[16:16] <solarwind> thanks andrea-bs
[16:16] <andrea-bs> you're welcome :)
[16:17] <mpt> Hmm, now that the Subscribers box on a bug report shows the person's/team's actual icon, it's more obvious that many of the people subscribed to all Ubuntu bugs don't use Launchpad any more
[16:18] <solarwind> andrea-bs: i asked to delete my project
[16:18] <solarwind> is that ok?
[16:18] <andrea-bs> maybe when deactivating an account, subscription to projects should be automatically removed?
[16:19] <solarwind> but i want my account
[16:19] <mpt> Actually, I think I reported a bug about this a couple of days ago
[16:19] <andrea-bs> solarwind: yes, this is enough; now you have to wait for an administrator to look after it
[16:19] <solarwind> ok thanks andrea-bs
[16:19] <solarwind> bye all
[16:20] <andrea-bs> I found bug 238493
[16:27] <nycerine> waht happens when a translation string changes?
[16:27] <nycerine> *what
[16:31] <Laibsch> how do I add or invite an individual to become a member of a translation team?
[16:32] <andrea-bs> Laibsch: there's no way to invite a member to join a team using Launchpad at the moment
[16:32] <andrea-bs> Laibsch: you should send him a mail :)
[16:33] <Laibsch> well, how do they join, then?
[16:33] <Laibsch> Equally confusing 
[16:33] <solarwind> i have another question... =\
[16:33] <solarwind> my branch says it hasn't been scanned yet
[16:33] <Laibsch> andrea-bs: I don't see an option for either thing
[16:33] <solarwind> what does that mean
[16:33] <andrea-bs> Laibsch: is the team restricted?
[16:33] <Laibsch> policy restricted, yes
[16:33] <Laibsch> if that is what you mean
[16:33] <Laibsch> I am team admin
[16:34] <beuno> ah, yes, mthaddon, code scanner is b0rked
[16:34] <andrea-bs> Laibsch: you can ask him if he want join the team and add him if he answer 'yes'
[16:34] <mthaddon> beuno, ?
[16:35] <Laibsch> andrea-bs: I know he wants to join
[16:35] <andrea-bs> Laibsch: I'm going to report a bug for this feature
[16:35] <andrea-bs> Laibsch: so, just approve him
[16:35] <beuno> mthaddon, from what I can see, LP's code scanner hasn't been updating since yesterday
[16:35] <Laibsch> aaargh!!
[16:35] <beuno> mthaddon, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~loggerhead-team/loggerhead/trunk
[16:35] <Laibsch> andrea-bs: I fail to see how to do any of this.  That *is* my question
[16:35] <andrea-bs> Laibsch: https://launchpad.net/~yourteam/+addmember
[16:35] <Laibsch> OK
[16:35] <Laibsch> thanks
[16:36] <beuno> mthaddon, against:  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~loggerhead-team/loggerhead/trunk/changes
[16:36] <Laibsch> andrea-bs: I don't think that is linked on any of the relevant pages
[16:36] <solarwind> beuno: i asked the question lol
[16:36] <mthaddon> beuno, ok, thx - will look into it
[16:36] <solarwind> oh nvm
[16:36] <beuno> solarwind, yes, that reminded me  :)
[16:36] <andrea-bs> Laibsch: it's the link 'Add member' on the team homepage
[16:37] <solarwind> yea i was wondering why and i was regitein a project WHILE the site was being updated
[16:37] <beuno> mthaddon, thanks, I forgot to poke mwhudson yesterday  :)
[16:37] <solarwind> i was wondering what was going on
[16:37] <solarwind> sometimes the menus were on the right
[16:37] <solarwind> and sometimes on left
[16:37] <solarwind> and sometimes pages wouldnt load
[16:37] <mthaddon> sure, thx
[16:37] <Laibsch> andrea-bs: I am talking about the translation groups
[16:37] <Laibsch> Let me give you the URL
[16:37] <andrea-bs> thanks
[16:37] <mpt> jkakar, where do you see that " The 'This bug has duplicates' message is also formatted the same way notes are"?
[16:38] <Laibsch> andrea-bs: https://translations.launchpad.net/+groups/gnucash
[16:38] <Laibsch> not talking about ~gnucash
[16:38] <solarwind> also, there's no link to "BROWSE SOURCE" on my project's code page
[16:38] <solarwind> but i can still browse source with the right URL
[16:38] <solarwind> how do i get that link to BROWSE SOURCE show up on my project's CODE page
[16:39] <andrea-bs> Laibsch: ah, ok
[16:39] <Laibsch> andrea-bs: do you know how I can add a member?
[16:39] <andrea-bs> Laibsch: I don't know how exactly translations groups work, so I'm not the right person
[16:39] <Laibsch> I can appoint dedicated individuals per language
[16:39] <Laibsch> OK, thanks
[16:39] <Laibsch> jtv: ping
[16:40] <andrea-bs> Laibsch: did you try searching in help.launchpad.net?
[16:40] <beuno> solarwind, what's the URL?
[16:40] <Laibsch> andrea-bs: I googled
[16:40] <solarwind> beuno: it's https://code.launchpad.net/ggmail
[16:41] <beuno> solarwind, ah, apparently you need it scanned before it shows that link  (which seems a bit odd to me)
[16:41] <OgMaciel> andrea-bs: thanks for updating my bug
[16:41] <beuno> solarwind, it will fix itself once they get the code scanner to come back from the dead
[16:41] <solarwind> thanks beuno
[16:42] <andrea-bs> OgMaciel: you're welcome ;)
[16:42] <OgMaciel> :)
[16:42] <solarwind> beuno, im new to launchpad, is it possible to ad other members to be able to commit to my project?
[16:42]  * OgMaciel breaks for lunch
[16:43] <beuno> solarwind, sure. What you do is create a team, upload the code to the team, and anyone on it can commit
[16:43] <solarwind> ahh got it
[16:43] <solarwind> but
[16:43] <solarwind> what if my project is already set up
[16:43] <solarwind> and i only need like one or two other people to be abel to commit
[16:43] <solarwind> and a team seems too much
[16:43] <solarwind> is it possible to add just one more person?
[16:45] <solarwind> ?
[16:45] <beuno> solarwind, you can't allow people to commit to your branches
[16:46] <beuno> they can upload branches, and you can merge from them
[16:46] <kiko> solarwind, but you can give your branch to a team, though
[16:46] <beuno> but for multiplayer committing, you need a team
[16:46] <beuno> oh!  kiko es back!  hi kiko
[16:47] <solarwind> beuno: thanks that seems like a good idea, so anyone can just create a branch?
[16:47] <solarwind> and i can merge them?
[16:47] <solarwind> how would i know if someone created a branch related to my project?
[16:48] <solarwind> damn bzr branching takes forever
[16:48] <solarwind> even just to start
[16:48] <beuno> solarwind, yes, anyone can create a branch and upload to the project
[16:48] <solarwind> beuno: so how do i kno whos done that
[16:48] <beuno> so, they can as for a merge request, when they feel there branch is ready
[16:48] <solarwind> AHH
[16:48] <solarwind> got it
[16:48] <solarwind> thanks!
[16:49] <beuno> solarwind, you can also go the your projects URL, and see what other branches are laying around
[16:49] <solarwind> yea
[16:49] <abentley> Odd_Bloke: Can you be a bit less vague?
[16:49] <solarwind> and is bzr branch suposed to take SOO long?
[16:50] <solarwind> i typed in bzr branch lp:etracer
[16:50] <beuno> solarwind, how big is the branch?
[16:50] <solarwind> just to try it out
[16:50] <solarwind> and its sitting there
[16:50] <solarwind> seems to be doing nothing
[16:50] <solarwind> for the past minute
[16:51] <beuno> solarwind, it seems like a big-ish branch, it may take a few minutes to download
[16:52] <solarwind> but im not getting any output beuno
[16:52] <solarwind> its just sitting there, is that supposed to happen?
[16:52] <solarwind> at least my svn checkout is giving me some output
[16:53] <jtv> Laibsch: pong
[16:53] <andrea-bs> Laibsch: I've reported bug 249508. I can't do more, sorry
[16:53] <beuno> solarwind, it depends, but it's not abnormal for it to sit around for a bit
[16:53] <solarwind> got it
[16:54] <Laibsch> andrea-bs: thanks
[16:54] <Laibsch> jtv: how do I add a member to a translation group?
[16:54] <solarwind> its been like 5 minutes now =\
[16:54] <solarwind> anyway gotta go l
[16:54] <solarwind> later all
[16:54] <solarwind> and thanks for the help
[16:55] <jtv> Laibsch: doesn't the group's page show you the "Appoint additional translators" link?
[16:55] <Laibsch> yes
[16:55] <Laibsch> I can appoint one translator per language
[16:55] <Laibsch> that's not what I call a team
[16:56] <jtv> Laibsch: then appoint a team instead of a person :-)
[16:56] <Laibsch> how dumb is that?
[16:56] <Laibsch> I have a translation group to act as a team
[16:57] <Laibsch> then I create another group (to get a team)
[16:57] <jtv> Laibsch: the terminology is a bit weird, but teams are a building block that you can use for all sorts of groupings.
[16:57] <Laibsch> so I can appoint that team (that we hope is really a team now) to be responsible for language X?
[16:57] <jtv> Yes
[16:57] <beuno> hm, bzr in LP seems particularly slow today...
[16:57] <Laibsch> very strange
[16:57] <jtv> Laibsch: in any place I can think of, if you can use a person, you can use a team as well.
[16:58] <Laibsch> why all the trouble with the translation *group*, then?  You could just have that as part of the project?
[16:58] <Laibsch> that extra layer seems to be totally superfluous
[16:58] <jtv> Laibsch: the group can serve many different projects (and products, and distributions)
[16:58] <Laibsch> and very confusing
[16:59] <Laibsch> jtv: that is no reason to have a group
[16:59] <Laibsch> a translation group separate from the project itself
[16:59] <jtv> Laibsch: if you look at https://translations.launchpad.net/+groups/ you'll see.
[17:00] <Laibsch> or can you explain to me why that is necessary?
[17:00] <Laibsch> no
[17:00] <Laibsch> Those groups could be simple teams
[17:00] <Laibsch> instead of groups
[17:00] <Laibsch> what do the groups add that is necessary?
[17:01] <Laibsch> They add a lot of potential for confusion, that is for sure
[17:01] <jtv> Translation groups treat languages separately.  A translation team could be in multiple groups.
[17:02] <jtv> More importantly, a project is free to associate itself with a translation group of its choice.
[17:02] <andrea-bs> jtv: please see bug 249508; I've updated it with more information and suggestions
[17:03] <Laibsch> but its not a necessity.  IOW, translation teams could take over translation groups right away.  If LP had only teams, the whole model still works.  But it does not work without teams, groups are not sufficient.
[17:03] <jtv> andrea-bs: the bit about translation teams is documented elsewhere, on help.launchpad.net.
[17:03] <jtv> andrea-bs: so "not obvious" I'll buy, but not "undocumented."
[17:04] <andrea-bs> jtv: there's only https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/Groups/Draft
[17:04] <andrea-bs> jtv: it tells how to join a team, not how to add a member
[17:06] <jtv> andrea-bs: there's also this one (not sure why it has this name though, it's not easy to find): https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/YourProject/Draft
[17:08] <andrea-bs> jtv: neither this page tells you how to add a member (I searched "appoint additional translators")
[17:09]  * Laibsch does not think this is a documentation problem.
[17:10] <Laibsch> If you have to document something, the GUI sucks ;-)
[17:10] <Laibsch> I think the concept needs rethinking
[17:11] <jtv> It needs an update.  Some of the terminology is from older incarnations of the process.
[17:14] <jtv> It shouldn't say "translator," in particular.  That seems to have been the problem here.
[17:15] <jtv> Better explanation of the model would help too, of course.
[17:16] <jtv> But "translator" should be something like "reviewer or translation team," and then it would be much more obvious.  We made some changes in that direction this month.
[17:24] <parumi> hi all, i need some urgent help. my project (clam) repository is in danger because of this: https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/clam/trunk
[17:24] <bdmurray> Didn't there used to be a link to the mailing list archive on team pages?
[17:25] <parumi> to be more specific: launchpad is running daily imports of our repository. all of them fails. And the sysadm of our project wants to shut down our repository because uses too much bandwith
[17:25] <kiko> parumi, do you want the import stopped?
[17:25] <parumi> i've already filed a question https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/38806 but no response. 
[17:25] <andrea-bs> bdmurray: yep, 'Mailing list archive' under 'Summary' and above 'Contact details'
[17:26] <parumi> kiko: yes 
[17:26] <kiko> parumi, it's interesting, though -- it shouldn't really use much bandwidth at all
[17:26] <bdmurray> andrea-bs: thanks, it escaped me
[17:26] <jtv> kiko: maybe they see the connections, not actual bandwidth?
[17:26] <parumi> well, many GB downloaded every day, in a server which is hardloaded per ser
[17:27] <andrea-bs> bdmurray: yw! :)
[17:28] <parumi> so the urgent thing is stop the automatic imports. But the second thing would be to find a way to have the import done. Why is it resuming from zero each 26-28 hours??
[17:28] <kiko> jtv, ah, the import never succeeded.
[17:28] <kiko> parumi, it's because it never managed to succeed even once.
[17:28] <jtv> kiko: ...so it keeps trying again, with all those connections
[17:29] <parumi> kiko: i know. but why the import is not incremental? could not it be done in multiple connections?
[17:30] <jtv> parumi: the initial setup involves lots of connections for some reason.
[17:30] <jtv> parumi: so if that goes wrong, the whole thing probably restarts from scratch.
[17:30] <jtv> parumi: so one manual import by the admins may fix the problem forever.
[17:31] <parumi> btw, is there any admin here with rights to stop the automatic imports?
[17:31] <kiko> parumi, yeah, it could.. see your question.
[17:32] <parumi> thanks cristian :-)
[17:34] <parumi> ok, after seeing it consistently fails, should we try a different approach? i could provide a tarball of the svn repo to download, whould that help?
[17:35] <kiko> parumi, you could provide a tarball, yeah, that can be used for the first import
[17:36] <kiko> that needs its own question and then mwhudson can check it out
[17:37] <parumi> kiko: so i should start a *new* question (closing this https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/38806) ?
[17:39] <jkakar> mpt: I just looked to see if I could create a screenshot for you, with the "This bug has N duplicates" formatted as a note, but that behaviour isn't occurring anymore.  If I see it again I'll take a screenshot and file a bug.
[17:41] <parumi> kiko: silence means yes, right? :-)
[17:51] <mpt> jkakar, I'm pretty sure that's something I fixed yesterday
[17:53] <jkakar> mpt: Ah, cool.
[18:04] <Ng> how do I get the http address for a bzr branch on launchpad these days?
[18:05] <beuno> Ng, the addresses should be predictable, something like http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~user/project/branch
[18:06] <Ng> thanks
[18:06] <beuno> :)
[18:53] <BUGabundo> matsubara: hi
[18:53] <BUGabundo> about #249342
[18:53] <matsubara> bug 249342
[18:54] <BUGabundo> LP (egde)
[18:54] <matsubara> BUGabundo: please reply in the bug itself
[18:54] <BUGabundo> okay
[18:54] <matsubara> thanks
[18:54] <BUGabundo> but it would be must faster here
[18:55] <BUGabundo> and then one of us would post there the resume
[18:58] <Rinchen> >> Come join us for the Launchpad Dev meeting in #launchpad-meeting.  Starts in 2 minutes
[19:02] <BUGabundo> matsubara: its now updated
[19:37] <jkakar> I've recently (in the past 3 days or so) received a lot of "old" bug mail.  Is there something going on that's delaying some messages or is this a bug somewhere?  In some cases messages are 3-days stale by the time I get them.
[20:00] <BjornT> jkakar: there shouldn't be anything in launchpad causing this. although, could you send me (bjorn at canonical) an example, including all the headers?
[20:00] <jkakar> BjornT: Yep, I'll find one of the ones that came through and get it to you.
[20:09] <jkakar> BjornT: Sent.
[20:09] <BjornT> thanks
[20:33] <emgent> confirmation LP email dont arrived. LP bug ?
[20:35] <emgent> ok done solved.
[20:37] <kiko> woo
[21:06]  * cody-somerville wonders if it makes sense to automatically open a task for the latest development release when targeting a specific release.
[21:26] <thekorn> hi, scanning of branches does not work, is it known?
[21:27] <thekorn> I mean "recent revisions" is not up to date
[21:37] <mwhudson> thekorn: yes
[21:38] <thekorn> mwhudson, ok, do you have any idea when it will work again, minutes or hours?
[21:48] <thumper> thekorn: it is working through the backlog now
[21:48] <thekorn> thumper, ok, super, thanks
[22:13] <emgent> uhmm..
[22:14] <emgent> thinking .. Launchpad is graphically more agreeable now. excellent work Launchpad designers and coders. \o/
[22:35] <bdrung_> i have linked a svn trunk branch to my launchpad project some month ago, but it is not imported jet: https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/dvdbackup/trunk . did i do something wrong?
[22:37] <mwhudson> bdrung_: no, we have rather a backlog of import requests :(
[22:37] <mwhudson> bdrung_: i've approved it now
[22:37] <nedko> mwhudson: i have two too :)
[22:38] <bdrung_> mwhudson: thanks
[22:38] <nedko> https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/jackit/jack1-trunk
[22:38] <nedko> https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/jackit/jack2-trunk
[22:39] <mwhudson> nedko: hm, are they branches of the same project, or what?
[22:39] <mwhudson> usually we only import the mainline branch
[22:39] <mwhudson> (but exceptions can be made)
[22:39] <nedko> mwhudson: two branches of same project, but we have two mainline branches
[22:39] <nedko> and some minor branches (no need to import them of course)
[22:40] <mwhudson> nedko: so when they get imported, they will be entirely separate branches as far as bzr is concerned
[22:40] <mwhudson> nedko: do you see that being a problem?
[22:40] <nedko> they are entierly separate codebases, so no problem
[22:40] <nedko> they cannot be merged
[22:40] <mwhudson> okidoke
[22:40] <nedko> and until recently they were even in different repos
[22:41] <mwhudson> nedko: i've approved them
[22:41] <nedko> mwhudson: thanks
[22:42] <nedko> mwhudson: https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/jackit/main this one is really dead, probably it was imported to svn long time ago, i'm not sure what should be done with it, i;m almost sure cvs repo used for polling is down now
[22:43] <nedko> or maybe not
[22:43]  * nedko is investigating
[22:44] <mwhudson> most recent imported change was in 2006
[22:44] <nedko> it is just abandoned
[22:44] <bdrung_> can it be that launchpad is slow?
[22:45] <nedko> mwhudson: i doubt it has any purpose, probably should be deleted or at least disabled somehow
[22:45] <mwhudson> nedko: ok, i'll mark it as abandoned and suspend it
[22:45] <nedko> mwhudson: nice :)
[22:46] <mwhudson> which requires three separate forms or something, oh well
[22:46] <mwhudson> bdrung_: 
[22:46] <mwhudson> ?
[22:46] <nedko> mwhudson: i have one more question, can git branch be imported
[22:46] <mwhudson> nedko: nope, not yet at least
[22:46] <nedko> mwhudson: ok
[22:46] <mwhudson> there is a bug, let me find it
[22:47] <bdrung_> mwhudson: the launchpad sites need some seconds to load
[22:47] <mwhudson> nedko: you could subscribe to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/104564 
[22:47] <nedko> mwhudson: thanks!
[22:47] <nedko> mwhudson: beer for you! :)
[22:47] <mwhudson> bdrung_: it doesn't seem any slower than normal to me
[22:47] <mwhudson> nedko: it's not 10 am yet for me, bit early :)
[22:48] <nedko> mwhudson: you can save it for later then ;)
[22:48] <mwhudson> thanks :)
[22:51] <bdrung_> mwhudson: its slower as usual. when i open https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/dvdbackup/trunk firefox shows the loading bar, after some seconds the content appears, but firefox still loads
[22:51] <mwhudson> hm
[22:51] <mwhudson> i'm a beta tester, so on edge
[22:51] <mwhudson> bdrung_: is https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/dvdbackup/trunk faster for you?
[22:53] <bdrung_> mwhudson: edge is significant faster.
[22:53] <mwhudson> bdrung_: interesting
[22:53] <mwhudson> let me find a sysadmin to bother
[22:55] <mpt> Thanks emgent 
[22:56] <bdrung_> edge needs 5 secs, lp needs 5-10 secs but firefox shows the loading bar for minutes.
[22:56] <bdrung_> this only appears on reloading the page.
[22:56] <emgent> mpt: no, thanks for you! LP Rocks.
[22:57] <bdrung_> opening it the first time it only needs 1 sec.
[22:59] <mthaddon> bdrung_, I'm not able to reproduce (but am still looking into it) production seems just as fast (if not faster) than edge for me
[23:02] <emgent> s/for/to/
[23:03] <bdrung_> mtaylor: now its faster, but the problem that production shows the loading bar till it dies when pressing on reload button of firefox
[23:05] <bdrung_> reloading a edge page works
[23:05] <mtaylor> bdrung_: perhaps that was for someone who wasn't me? 
[23:06] <bdrung_> mtaylor: sorry, it was for mthaddon 
[23:07] <bdrung_> i am confused, sorry mthaddon. it was for mwhudson.
[23:08] <mthaddon> np
[23:08] <mwhudson> bdrung_: sounds strange
[23:09]  * Laney just had to hunt for the dupe button
[23:09] <spm> bdrung_: can you help us on this a bit beyond the norm? Can you install firebug within firefox and do some network speed shots?
[23:10] <bdrung_> mwhudson: it works with every production site (e.g. launchpad.net ).
[23:12] <bdrung_> spm: strange. i have installed firebug, restarted firefox and the problem is gone.
[23:12] <spm> bdrung_: Big ask: can you blow your cache and try again? "NO!!!" is an acceptable answer! :-)
[23:17] <bdrung_> spm: i have cleared the cache. but the problem is gone. i cannot reproduce it.
[23:18] <bdrung_> maybe it was caused by the cache.
[23:22] <spm> bdrung_: lots of possible variables. None I'd dismiss out of hand at this point.
[23:24] <bdrung_> spm: i hate those bugs, wich you cannot reproduce
[23:25] <spm> :-)
[23:40] <Odd_Bloke> abentley: Sure.  Sorry I wasn't around earlier, I was at the theatre. :)
[23:41] <jdobrien> nice job guys. Looks great
[23:53] <Odd_Bloke> abentley: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/249621
[23:54] <mwhudson> dupe!
[23:55] <LEW21> How long it usually takes Launchpad to scan imported branch with 7000+ revisions? phpBB was imported 6 hours ago, and it didn't scanned it yet.
[23:56] <mwhudson> scanning got stuck for a while
[23:56] <mwhudson> the scanner is chewing through the backlog
[23:56] <mwhudson> slowly :(
[23:58] <abentley> Odd_Bloke: So as mwhudson has pointed out, this is a dupe.  The specific problem is that Jelmer is cagey with his email address-- you don't have permission to find out what it is, and currently you need that in order to notify him.  A fix is pending.