[00:06] <piece> i am about to do a bare-bones install, if i use my hardy mini.iso image can i just replace "hardy" with "intrepid" in /etc/apt/sources.list, aptitude update && aptitude upgrade and i'm good to go?
[00:16] <pheeror> yes
[00:46] <_emet_> is Ubuntu 8.10 using upstart events
[02:06] <histo> ls
[02:10] <Daemonik> How are the contents of /dev/ created?
[02:10] <tnnc> has anyone had the vnc server stop working after the last update
[02:11] <Daemonik> tnnc, Define "stop working", crash?, hang?
[02:11] <tnnc> daemonik ok it just stopped as you said thanks
[02:13] <RAOF> Daemonik: Most of them are created by the kernel; some are created by udev, I believe.
[02:14] <Daemonik> RAOF, If I were booting Ubuntu from an NFS server hosted by OpenBSD, with many different kinds of hardware, I probably want /dev/ to be recreated at each boot yes?
[02:14] <RAOF> It's going to be anyway.
[02:15] <RAOF> It's a filesystem not backed by any block device, anyway.
[02:15] <Daemonik> RAOF, So this won't stop me from booting? What I'd like to do, is use something like UnionFS so the NFS share mounted on / is read-only.
[02:15] <Daemonik> RAOF, Yeah I know that much.
[02:15] <RAOF> So it doesn't matter where or how you get /, /dev is going to be created on boot.
[02:16] <Daemonik> RAOF, Even if / is read-only?
[02:16] <RAOF> Yes.
[02:16] <Daemonik> Cool
[02:17] <RAOF> Although you'll need at least /tmp and /var to be not read-only, I believe.
[02:17] <Daemonik> Yeah mounted on tmpfs which is in ram yeah?
[02:18] <Daemonik> As far as I know, one of the things UnionFS can do is combine a ram disk and read only device like a cdrom or an NFS share that is read-only
[02:18] <Daemonik> and the LiveCDs do this yes?
[02:19] <RAOF> Yeah, I believe so.
[02:19] <Daemonik> Would this be as easy as an entry in fstab?
[02:20] <RAOF> No idea.
[02:20] <RAOF> But quite possibly.
[02:20] <RAOF> Add a /var and a /tmp ramfs entry, and something for /home, and you're done.
[02:24] <Daemonik> I'm wondering if /home is necessary. All these things are going to do is run NX.
[02:24] <Daemonik> Ubuntu was the best choice 'cause it's like Debian, but newer and I know it's going to work. =)
[02:24] <RAOF> Heh.  I'm pretty sure you'll need a writable /home
[02:30] <Daemonik> Looks like UnionFS is the way togo.
[03:19] <tech0007> bug 246067
[03:19] <tech0007> any progress yet?
[03:21] <Hobbsee> does it say there's any progress on teh bug?
[04:39] <DanaG> Oh hey, can somebody tell me if the packaged compiz-fusion has atlantis2?
[04:40] <crd1b> no
[05:03] <DanaG> Bummer.
[05:17] <DanaG> Hmm, HP's "Ibuki" wallpaper goes rather well with the New Human theme
[05:18] <DanaG> http://h50146.www5.hp.com/products/portables/personal/zen_wallpaper/images/ibuki_02.jpg
[05:18] <DanaG> Argh, my windeco theme doesn't change with everything else.
[05:33] <DanaG> Ugh, my brightness keys lag horribly... and eat CPU while doing it.
[05:34] <DanaG> Eeh, not eat CPU, but they do lag.
[05:34] <DanaG> It takes like 3/4 of a second for the response.
[06:36] <teethdood> ok off topic question, but it's so quiet in here...: should I get plenum or non-plenum cat6 cables? are building inspectors strict enough to check the actual kind of ethernet cable?
[06:40] <gnomefreak> teethdood: try in #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:59] <DanaG> or #hardware
[07:19] <papabean> Kudos to those of you testing Intrepid.  I thank you for your dedication.  I could not live the dream and am going back to Hardy.  :)
[07:21] <DanaG> argh, can't log into gdmflexiserver --xnest
[07:21] <DanaG> enter username: okay.
[07:21] <DanaG> enter password: okay.
[07:21] <DanaG> Back to username?  WTF?  And no error message.
[13:54] <[GuS]> Hi guys! i was diggin at cdimage, and i was about to download latest build of intrepid live cd, and i found that each has 880MB ?? :S
[13:54] <[GuS]> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[13:54] <Hobbsee> yes, they're oversized.
[13:54] <Hobbsee> they may, or may not install
[13:54] <Pici> Hence the ,OVERSIZED
[13:55] <Pici> ;)
[13:56] <[GuS]> ok... i will download alternate then..
[13:57] <Hobbsee> same applies w.r.t. their installability
[13:58] <[GuS]> i know, but at least are not oversized...
[13:58] <[GuS]> i am just doing it for testing... and i dont have a cd for 880MB :P
[14:09] <shirish> anybody knows where tromod volden is?
[14:35] <godzirra> Hi folks.
[14:37] <Pici> hi
[14:38] <godzirra> Can anyone tell me if the realtek 8199 card is on the list of network cards that may work with Intrepid?  (I tried all night last night and couldnt get it working with hardy)
[17:29] <G_009> partial upgrade failed: could not calculate upgrade
[17:40] <Viper550> okay, I got kubuntu KDE4, gutsy, will updating to Intrepid give me KDE 4.1?
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> Viper550: yes, but it's not recommended to upgrade. You can upgrade to hardy and you will be able to install 4.1 from there
[17:45] <Viper550> nm, found it. and I meant yes I do have gutsy actually
[17:45] <Viper550> wait, Hardy
[17:48]  * LSD|Ninja actually has a Viper V550 kicking around somewhere
[18:20] <LSD|Ninja> What's so special about the ubuntu-desktop package? Why is hte latest update being held back? o_O
[18:22] <w00t> I don't know whether it's useful to anyone, but on upgrade from hardy to intrepid (I always upgrade early into the next release), I had problems with nm-applet which I think I've resolved.. with the help of http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dbus/2007-January/006877.html
[18:22] <w00t> that fix is probably not correct here (I lack the experience of knowing), but it's probably something worth looking at..
[18:35] <BUGabundo> is Alberto Milone arround?
[21:53] <tanath> how do you use the quick search in synaptic?
[21:53] <tanath> it's always disabled
[21:58] <LSD|Ninja> tanath: I noticed that too, no idea why it's that way though
[22:01] <G_009> 'cause we're alpha turtles
[22:02] <tanath> bah
[22:18] <Laney> Anyone having mouse problems (possibly KVM related?)
[22:19] <Laney> in that I can't seem to move it
[22:49] <anna> hello, i the nv driver has become very unstable, i want to use vesa instead. What to do these days?
[22:49] <anna> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org won't ask what driver to use
[23:00] <LSD|Ninja> unstable how? Aside from it being as slow as molasses and lacking 3D, I haven't noticed any major problems with nv here
[23:49] <maihem> I'm testing intrepid alpha two in a qemu session (because it crashed under virtualbox - or killed virtualbox) and I'm having a bizarre behaviour with the pointer. It is using pointer integration by default (nice) with the xorg vmmouse driver but each unit movement of the mouse in the wetworld moves the onscreen pointer by about 64 pixels (a guess).
[23:57] <maihem> the regular "mouse" driver works fine (but no pointer integration)