| JontheEchidna | blah, only 60% built | 00:04 |
|---|---|---|
| JontheEchidna | at least cmake gives you percentages | 00:04 |
| * apachelogger intruded #kubuntu-de | 00:04 | |
| apachelogger | muahahaha | 00:04 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: what's that? | 00:05 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: backporting kdewebdev-kde4 to the ppa | 00:06 |
| Riddell | ah, good good | 00:06 |
| JontheEchidna | testbuilding on my lame pc | 00:06 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: btw, I did get koffice done | 00:06 |
| * apachelogger waves to Riddell | 00:06 | |
| JontheEchidna | It should be subscripted to ubuntu-main-sponsors | 00:07 |
| JontheEchidna | *unvierse sponsors | 00:08 |
| apachelogger | or we could just upload it ;-) | 00:08 |
| JontheEchidna | bug 249533 | 00:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 249533 in koffice2 "New upstream release of koffice2 (1.9.95.9)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/249533 | 00:08 |
| * apachelogger pokes vorian | 00:13 | |
| * apachelogger suspects he got lost | 00:13 | |
| apachelogger | hm, it feels like I didn't upload to revu in years | 00:14 |
| * JontheEchidna wonders why his plasmoid-weather package never hit the ppa... | 00:15 | |
| apachelogger | Riddell: i18n ready for upload ... example package: /var/cache/pbuilder/result/kde-i18n-de_3.5.9-0ubuntu1_all.deb: | 00:16 |
| apachelogger | new debian package, version 2.0. | 00:16 |
| apachelogger | size 1161614 bytes: control archive= 3420 bytes. | 00:16 |
| apachelogger | 583 bytes, 15 lines control | 00:16 |
| apachelogger | 8447 bytes, 96 lines md5sums | 00:16 |
| apachelogger | Package: kde-i18n-de | 00:16 |
| apachelogger | Version: 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu2 | 00:16 |
| apachelogger | Architecture: all | 00:16 |
| apachelogger | Maintainer: Jonathan Riddell <jriddell@ubuntu.com> | 00:16 |
| apachelogger | Installed-Size: 2520 | 00:16 |
| apachelogger | Depends: language-pack-kde-de, kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.2) | 00:16 |
| apachelogger | Suggests: kde | 00:16 |
| apachelogger | Conflicts: juk (<< 4:3.2.1-1), kcachegrind (<< 4:3.2.1-1), kdebase-i18n, koffice (<< 1.3.0-2) | 00:16 |
| apachelogger | Replaces: kde-i18n, kdebase-i18n, koffice-i18n-de (<< 1.6.1-1ubuntu2) | 00:16 |
| apachelogger | Provides: kde-i18n | 00:16 |
| apachelogger | Section: kde | 00:16 |
| apachelogger | Priority: optional | 00:16 |
| apachelogger | Description: German (de) internationalized (i18n) files for KDE | 00:16 |
| JontheEchidna | lewl | 00:18 |
| * JontheEchidna waits to pastebin apachelogger | 00:18 | |
| * JontheEchidna decides to be nice | 00:20 | |
| Riddell | apachelogger: great, go ahead and upload | 00:22 |
| apachelogger | that was quite... weird | 00:22 |
| JontheEchidna | noooooooo! | 00:23 |
| JontheEchidna | cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/lib/kde4/share/applications/kde4/kfilereplace.desktop': No such file or directory | 00:23 |
| * JontheEchidna cries | 00:23 | |
| JontheEchidna | now I have to rebuild | 00:23 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/28140/ | 00:23 |
| Riddell | remove the lib/kde4/ | 00:23 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: debuild -nc is your friend | 00:23 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: for a hardy backport? | 00:23 |
| apachelogger | k | 00:24 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: looks good | 00:24 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: maybe change the description | 00:24 |
| Riddell | change "KDE" to "kdevelop and quanta"? | 00:24 |
| apachelogger | no -nc with pbuilder ;-) | 00:25 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: I'm using debuild | 00:25 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: .desktop files were in /usr/share so other desktops can find them | 00:25 |
| JontheEchidna | aah | 00:25 |
| * Riddell sleeps | 00:25 | |
| JontheEchidna | nn | 00:25 |
| apachelogger | well kdevelop and kdewebdev | 00:25 |
| apachelogger | but yeah, good idea | 00:25 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: then you are lucky | 00:26 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: good night | 00:26 |
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| JontheEchidna | what does debuild -nc do, btw? | 00:30 |
| apachelogger | no clean | 00:30 |
| JontheEchidna | cool | 00:30 |
| apachelogger | vorian: in case you have time http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=amarok-kde4 | 00:33 |
| * Nightrose hugs apachelogger and snoozes | 00:34 | |
| apachelogger | nini Nightrose | 00:34 |
| JontheEchidna | crap, I debuild -S -sa'd.... | 00:34 |
| * JontheEchidna slaps self | 00:34 | |
| apachelogger | :| | 00:35 |
| JontheEchidna | Oh well, only 40 mins build time | 00:35 |
| * JontheEchidna is trying to ease the pain | 00:36 | |
| JontheEchidna | Do kde4 services .desktop files need the lib/kde4 part removed too? | 00:38 |
| vorian | apachelogger: I do now | 00:39 |
| vorian | JontheEchidna: checking now :) | 00:40 |
| JontheEchidna | vorian: checking what? | 00:40 |
| vorian | koffice? | 00:40 |
| JontheEchidna | aah | 00:40 |
| JontheEchidna | thanks | 00:40 |
| JontheEchidna | btw, plasmoid-weather never hit the kde4 ppa | 00:41 |
| vorian | it's ftb in my ppa | 00:41 |
| JontheEchidna | vorian: does your ppa have the build-deps from the kde4 ppa? | 00:41 |
| vorian | yes | 00:41 |
| JontheEchidna | weird... | 00:41 |
| vorian | ja | 00:41 |
| vorian | oh | 00:42 |
| vorian | don't assign the u-u-s, subscribe them | 00:42 |
| JontheEchidna | ok | 00:43 |
| vorian | JontheEchidna: do you have the tar hanging arround? | 00:43 |
| JontheEchidna | tar of koffice? | 00:44 |
| vorian | yes | 00:44 |
| * JontheEchidna linked to the kde ftp with the tar | 00:44 | |
| JontheEchidna | oh, but the md5 sums will get mad | 00:44 |
| JontheEchidna | vorian: where do you want me to upload it to? | 00:45 |
| vorian | thanks | 00:46 |
| JontheEchidna | np | 00:46 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: when I made my own kwebdev tar.orig.gz and then subsituted the one from your magic directory, it gave me an md5 sum error | 00:47 |
| JontheEchidna | any idea why it would do that? | 00:47 |
| vorian | JontheEchidna: koffice2 is already in the archives at the version you presented | 00:49 |
| JontheEchidna | vorian: what version is that? | 00:50 |
| vorian | koffice2 1:1.9.96.0~that.is.really.1.9.95.8-1ubuntu2 | 00:50 |
| JontheEchidna | vorian: see the next comment | 00:50 |
| vorian | ah, i see | 00:50 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, sorry 'bout that one | 00:51 |
| vorian | no problemo | 00:51 |
| vorian | launchpad allows removal of attatchments | 00:51 |
| vorian | i find that handy sometimes | 00:51 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: because the md5sums are different ;-) | 00:51 |
| JontheEchidna | lol | 00:52 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: any insight on this: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16142924/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.plasmoid-weather_0.4-0ubuntu1~ppa5_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ? | 00:52 |
| vorian | JontheEchidna: do you know about uupdate? | 00:52 |
| JontheEchidna | vorian: that's what you use with watch files, right? | 00:53 |
| vorian | you can use it with watch files | 00:53 |
| * JontheEchidna has never used it | 00:53 | |
| vorian | excellent | 00:53 |
| apachelogger | lol | 00:53 |
| JontheEchidna | ? | 00:53 |
| vorian | JontheEchidna: it's quite handy | 00:53 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: wrong cdbs directory | 00:54 |
| JontheEchidna | doh :x not again | 00:54 |
| apachelogger | -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX="/usr/lib/kde4 | 00:54 |
| apachelogger | not very intrepidish | 00:54 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: it's for the kde4 ppa | 00:54 |
| JontheEchidna | a backport | 00:54 |
| apachelogger | ah | 00:54 |
| apachelogger | then it's strange | 00:54 |
| JontheEchidna | builds fine on my machine | 00:54 |
| apachelogger | oh well | 00:55 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: kdelibs5-dev is missing | 00:55 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: doesn't that get pulled in by libplasma-dev? | 00:55 |
| apachelogger | apparently not | 00:55 |
| * JontheEchidna wonders if it actually built in Intrepid | 00:55 | |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: best thing is to throw the package into pbuilder to be sure all deps are fullfilled | 00:55 |
| JontheEchidna | and why it built in pbuilder | 00:55 |
| apachelogger | very strange indeed | 00:56 |
| apachelogger | anyway | 00:56 |
| * apachelogger is starting the kde-i18n uploads and going to bed | 00:56 | |
| apachelogger | nini | 00:56 |
| JontheEchidna | nini | 00:57 |
| vorian | say you don't call me a ninni | 00:57 |
| vorian | -say | 00:57 |
| vorian | JontheEchidna: yo, can you provide a debdiff please :) | 01:16 |
| JontheEchidna | vorian: sure | 01:16 |
| vorian | ta | 01:16 |
| JontheEchidna | heh, takes a bit | 01:18 |
| vorian | yeah | 01:20 |
| vorian | took forever to get it | 01:20 |
| JontheEchidna | it'll take a bit to upload, I'll let you know when it's done | 01:22 |
| vorian | JontheEchidna: just diff the debian directory | 01:22 |
| vorian | erm | 01:22 |
| vorian | nevermind | 01:22 |
| JontheEchidna | 5.2 mb | 01:22 |
| vorian | eek | 01:23 |
| JontheEchidna | my upload is twice the speed of dialup | 01:23 |
| JontheEchidna | 1.5 mbit down | 01:23 |
| JontheEchidna | ~118 kb | 01:23 |
| JontheEchidna | but verizon has a monopoly on all the non-sucky dsl | 01:24 |
| JontheEchidna | so it's expensive | 01:24 |
| JontheEchidna | so we had to go with our cable company | 01:24 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, the reason we couldn't go with verizon is because they don't run dsl out to where we live | 01:26 |
| JontheEchidna | vorian: done | 01:27 |
| vorian | thaks | 01:27 |
| JontheEchidna | ooh, my calculations were wrong | 01:31 |
| JontheEchidna | it's more like 10 times the speed of dialup | 01:31 |
| JontheEchidna | but that's still sorta slow | 01:31 |
| JontheEchidna | 30 kb/sec | 01:31 |
| vorian | JontheEchidna: did you notice it was a ftbts? | 01:37 |
| * JontheEchidna forgot to pbuilder it | 01:37 | |
| vorian | no, right now | 01:37 |
| vorian | in ubuntu | 01:37 |
| JontheEchidna | oh yeah, I saw that | 01:38 |
| JontheEchidna | I probably should have tried to fix it | 01:38 |
| vorian | there's also another easy bug we can knock out, koffice-kde4-dbg | 01:39 |
| vorian | cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/share/kde4/apps/kritaplugins/panorama.rc': No such file or directory | 01:40 |
| vorian | that's the failure | 01:40 |
| JontheEchidna | hmm | 01:40 |
| JontheEchidna | I wonder if that's still built | 01:40 |
| JontheEchidna | vorian: what's the bug with the -dbg? | 01:41 |
| vorian | bug 248829 | 01:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 248829 in koffice2 "Please provide dbg package" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/248829 | 01:41 |
| JontheEchidna | vorian: is there any (easier than compiling) way to find out if panorama.rc is still built? | 01:43 |
| vorian | kitra provides panorama.rc | 01:44 |
| vorian | krita, rather | 01:45 |
| * JontheEchidna can't find panorama.rc in his 1.9.96.0~that.is.really.1.9.95.3-1ubuntu3 install | 01:50 | |
| * JontheEchidna fears he'll have to build from source to find where the file should be installed | 01:51 | |
| * JontheEchidna wonders if it's possible just to build krita | 01:53 | |
| JontheEchidna | because I think building koffice would take me a day or so | 01:53 |
| vorian | na | 01:53 |
| * JontheEchidna debuilds, then | 01:54 | |
| JontheEchidna | wait, I'll have to pbuild | 01:54 |
| vorian | install( FILES panorama.rc DESTINATION ${DATA_INSTALL_DIR}/kritaplugins) | 01:55 |
| JontheEchidna | where is data install dir defined? | 01:56 |
| vorian | should be usr/share/kde4/apps/kitraplugins/* | 01:57 |
| * JontheEchidna wonders why it ftbfs | 01:57 | |
| vorian | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15971937/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.koffice2_1%3A1.9.96.0~that.is.really.1.9.95.8-1ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 01:59 |
| jjesse | how can a ubuntu book cover both 8.04 and 8.10 which i can purchase from amazon right now? | 02:00 |
| vorian | woah! | 02:01 |
| vorian | time travel | 02:01 |
| jjesse | totally | 02:02 |
| jjesse | the book auto updates itself | 02:02 |
| * JontheEchidna investigages how to make a -dbg binary package | 02:02 | |
| vorian | JontheEchidna: see ktorrent-3.1rc1+dsfg | 02:03 |
| JontheEchidna | thx | 02:04 |
| JontheEchidna | hmm, I guess there's not a *.install file... | 02:05 |
| JontheEchidna | vorian: I just need a control binary package entry that depends on kdelibs5-dbg? | 02:06 |
| vorian | see control | 02:06 |
| JontheEchidna | or is there some vodo I'm not familiar with? | 02:06 |
| JontheEchidna | vorian: Depends: koffice2 (= ${binary:Version}) or would it be the binary name koffice-kde4? | 02:09 |
| vorian | koffice-kde4 | 02:09 |
| JontheEchidna | vorian: -dbg-kde4 or -kde4-dbg? | 02:10 |
| * JontheEchidna would pick the latter | 02:11 | |
| vorian | JontheEchidna: you would be correct then :) | 02:12 |
| JontheEchidna | I remember seeing some in the Hardy ppa that were the opposite way so I wanted to make sure | 02:13 |
| JontheEchidna | Ok, I guess I'll make another debdiff now | 02:14 |
| vorian | did it build? | 02:14 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, right. I still need to do that | 02:14 |
| * JontheEchidna fires up teh pbuilder | 02:14 | |
| JontheEchidna | vorian: where.96.9-0ubuntu1 says it installs matches where 95.8-0ubuntu2 says it's not found | 02:16 |
| vorian | huh? | 02:18 |
| vorian | :P | 02:19 |
| JontheEchidna | install( FILES panorama.rc DESTINATION ${DATA_INSTALL_DIR}/kritaplugins) | 02:19 |
| JontheEchidna | that would beusr/share/kde4/apps/kritaplugins/, right? | 02:20 |
| vorian | yes | 02:20 |
| JontheEchidna | that's exactly the location that ftbfs in the last version | 02:20 |
| JontheEchidna | *that caused it to ftbfs | 02:20 |
| vorian | (it's in the kirtra-kde4-data.install file) | 02:20 |
| JontheEchidna | so then the correct course of action would be not to install that? | 02:22 |
| * JontheEchidna is confused | 02:22 | |
| vorian | it's the patch /me thinks | 02:25 |
| vorian | nope | 02:26 |
| JontheEchidna | hmm | 02:26 |
| * JontheEchidna had to take a phone call | 02:52 | |
| JontheEchidna | W: /home/jonathan/.pbuilderrc does not exist <- is that bad? | 02:52 |
| Hobbsee | no | 02:52 |
| vorian | no | 02:52 |
| JontheEchidna | ok, because when I tried to update pbuilder just now it said it was updating it for hardy :/ | 02:53 |
| vorian | hiya Hobbsee | 02:53 |
| JontheEchidna | and the pbuilder I had was for Intrepid | 02:53 |
| jdong | JontheEchidna: each user can have a ~/.pbuilderrc to override the system-wide /etc/pbuilderrc settings. This simply warns you that it didn't find such an override for your user. It's only something to note if you were expecting to have such a settings file, otherwise it's normal/harmless | 02:54 |
| JontheEchidna | Thanks. :) | 02:54 |
| jdong | in fact I wish more commands would do this, as sometimes I'd misname a dotfile and cause myself hours of debugging headaches :) | 02:54 |
| JontheEchidna | vorian: got to go for the night in a bit | 02:58 |
| vorian | JontheEchidna: have fun | 03:00 |
| JontheEchidna | I'll set it to pbuild overnight to see if it still ftbfs's | 03:01 |
| vorian | did you learn anything new? | 03:01 |
| JontheEchidna | I learned how to make -dbg packages | 03:01 |
| JontheEchidna | and that ftbfs's suck | 03:02 |
| JontheEchidna | :P | 03:02 |
| vorian | sorry, I'm lagging pretty bad | 03:02 |
| JontheEchidna | THis looks very cool: http://code.google.com/soc/2008/kde/appinfo.html?csaid=9433F3446323A693 | 03:07 |
| JontheEchidna | Would even help for tutorial days and the likes | 03:07 |
| Hobbsee | hey vorian | 03:07 |
| * vorian looks | 03:08 | |
| JontheEchidna | People could view what the tutorial speaker is doing in real-time | 03:09 |
| JontheEchidna | people could see what other people are doing | 03:10 |
| vorian | JontheEchidna: sounds a lot like 'gobby' :) | 03:11 |
| * JontheEchidna didn't know such a tool existed | 03:11 | |
| JontheEchidna | but gobby must suck because it has a g not a k :P | 03:12 |
| vorian | haha | 03:12 |
| * JontheEchidna is afk for the night | 03:16 | |
| vorian | nn | 03:16 |
| Wubbbi | hello :) ... Bug found in Intrepid KNetworkmanager 3.5.9. ... " Error requesting name, org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Connection ":1.75" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" dueto security policies in the configuration file " ... after starting KNetworkmanager ... what does this mean? I cant get any connection now. Just the normal LAN connection. Im connected on a LAN but he dont show me ... | 05:40 |
| Wubbbi | and he dont show me any wirless connection. Very strange | 05:40 |
| Wubbbi | hmmm ... problem with the KNetworkmanager fixed :D | 07:06 |
| * Daskreech thumbs up | 07:23 | |
| Wubbbi | Maybe a Intrepid bug: I Have installed kde-l10n-de and change the global language ( in System Settings ) to German. But everything is still english ... also non kde things. Just Kde 3.5.9 things are german. Strange xD | 08:25 |
| Wubbbi | restart wont help | 08:26 |
| Wubbbi | *changed | 08:26 |
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| gnomefreak | Riddell: kde-il8n-* doesnt have one source package? they look like they are separate sources for each -* | 09:47 |
| Riddell | that's right | 09:47 |
| Riddell | I long ago decided that 250MB source packages were a bad thing (as did upstream) | 09:48 |
| gnomefreak | ah yes i agree | 09:48 |
| Wubbbi | Maybe a Intrepid bug: I Have installed kde-l10n-de and changed the global language ( in System Settings ) to German. But everything is still english ... also non kde things. Just Kde 3.5.9 things are german. Strange xD. And a Restart wont help :( | 10:03 |
| Tonio_ | hi there | 10:10 |
| Wubbbi | hello Tonio_ :) | 10:12 |
| Tonio_ | hum is kar broken for you ? | 10:13 |
| Tonio_ | I can't seem to be able to open any compressed file | 10:13 |
| Tonio_ | they are not even visible within the open dialog box | 10:13 |
| Wubbbi | kar? whats kar? xD | 10:14 |
| allee | Tonio_: fyi: Mark uploaded digikam 0.10 20 minutes ago to incoming (destination is experimental) | 10:23 |
| allee | 0.9.4 was uploaded yesterday to unstable AFAIR | 10:23 |
| Tonio_ | allee: super :) | 10:24 |
| Tonio_ | allee: maybe we should upload in our archives.... Riddell ? | 10:25 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I would probably go with 0.10 | 10:25 |
| allee | Tonio_: No idea, have not tried 0.10. But at least for hardy 0.10 goes to /usr/lib so the not need to: | 10:27 |
| allee | - installing kde4 will remove digikam because of dependencies on | 10:27 |
| allee | libkipi0 and kipi-plugins (Closes: #489349) | 10:27 |
| Tonio_ | right | 10:27 |
| Tonio_ | allee: btw I wasn't thinking about hardy, only intrepid | 10:27 |
| Wubbbi | bug 489349 | 10:27 |
| Wubbbi | Is digikam fronted to QT4 and/or Kde4? | 10:28 |
| allee | Wubbbi: KDE4 | 10:28 |
| Wubbbi | but still QT3? | 10:29 |
| allee | Wubbbi: KDE4 implies QT4! | 10:29 |
| Wubbbi | ^^ great :D | 10:29 |
| allee | Tonio_: IMHO final decision which for intrepid should be postponed as long as possible. Pictures are very valuable data. So digikam 0.10 should only included if it's rock solid in time (I guess it will be, but it's only a guess ;) | 10:31 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I don't care | 10:32 |
| Tonio_ | allee: intrepid will be a proof of concept more than a all day usable desktop | 10:33 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I consider intrepid+1 the next REAL kubuntu release | 10:33 |
| Tonio_ | allee: based on a 12 month dev cycle, with a poc release in between.... but that's my opinion only | 10:33 |
| allee | Tonio_: as long as everyone will know it: think about all the KDE 4.0.0 plasma. Intention was the same as your. But users had other expectations :( | 10:34 |
| Tonio_ | allee: that's why we have to communicate a lot when the release comes out | 10:37 |
| allee | Tonio_: if intrepid will be a 'developer' release we should start communicatin this in bold letters included in alpha, beta,rc announcements already | 10:39 |
| Tonio_ | allee: that's my personal opinion, we have to see how far we can go during the dev cycle in fact.... | 10:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell wouldn't share my point of view I guess, but he knows what my feeling is | 10:40 |
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| * hunger is surprised that intrepid actually works pretty decently. | 10:44 | |
| === allee_ is now known as allee | ||
| apachelogger | Tonio_: ping | 12:14 |
| apachelogger | huh | 12:15 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: yep ? | 12:15 |
| * apachelogger uploaded 70 packages tonight :D | 12:15 | |
| Tonio_ | wow....... | 12:15 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: do you have time to give amarok-kde4 a quick revu? | 12:15 |
| Tonio_ | sure | 12:16 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: url ? | 12:16 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=amarok-kde4 | 12:16 |
| hunger | Would someone please enable the sesame2 backend for nepomuk? Trueg says that is way better than the redland one (using less storage space and faster, too). | 12:16 |
| apachelogger | hunger: where is nepomuk nowadays? | 12:17 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: lacks a "z" at the end of the rules file :) | 12:17 |
| apachelogger | ha :D | 12:18 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: do we want to keep both kde3 and kde4 versions ? | 12:18 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: yes | 12:19 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: I'd agree to replace kde3.... | 12:19 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: hum okay | 12:19 |
| apachelogger | upstream is planing to get 2.0.0 before intrepid | 12:19 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: good reason to replace it then :) | 12:19 |
| apachelogger | but I saw the schedule, and it is a pretty dangerous one so I wouldn't want to rely on it | 12:19 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: bah, releasing with an unstable amarok wouldn't be a big problem for me.... | 12:19 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: I'd like to get Riddell's opinion on that point | 12:20 |
| Riddell | hmm? | 12:20 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: do we want to wait for kde4 apps to be stable to replace kde3 ones ? | 12:20 |
| Riddell | hunger: is that the one that uses java? | 12:20 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: or do we go with unstable ones and let it go ? | 12:20 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: stable enough that upstream is happy for us to release with them | 12:20 |
| hunger | Riddell: I think so. | 12:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay | 12:21 |
| Riddell | hunger: no, we can't use java, it's not in main and our CDs are oversized enough | 12:21 |
| hunger | Riddell: Trueg says it does build with the gcj intrepid ships. | 12:21 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: "preview version..." in the description ? I'm not that a fan of it | 12:21 |
| hunger | OK:-( | 12:21 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: s/amaork/amarok/ typo in the debian/changelog | 12:22 |
| Riddell | hmm, didn't think of gcj | 12:22 |
| * apachelogger pokes Nightrose | 12:22 | |
| * Nightrose pokes apachelogger | 12:23 | |
| hunger | Riddell: It still needs icedtea from what I understand, so the space argument might still hold. | 12:23 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: appart from that, looks all good to me... | 12:23 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: do you guys want me to note it is a preview version still? | 12:23 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: ok, thank you :) | 12:23 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: until beta 1 yes | 12:24 |
| Nightrose | please | 12:24 |
| Nightrose | change it with beta 1 | 12:24 |
| apachelogger | meh, so much to thik off :P | 12:24 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: when is the next release schedule for taggiing? | 12:24 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: should I test the build ? :) | 12:24 |
| Nightrose | send me a note and i will remind you apachelogger | 12:24 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: monday | 12:25 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: you won't take the risk to upload an ftbfs one right :) | 12:25 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: I think I testbuilt it like 4 times without any changes because I always forgot whether I testbuilt it already ;-) | 12:25 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: sweet | 12:26 |
| Nightrose | :) | 12:26 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: right :) | 12:26 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: greetings from sven | 12:26 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: greetings to sven | 12:26 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: do you people have a proper backtrace fetcher yet? | 12:28 |
| Nightrose | nope | 12:29 |
| Wubbbi | What Kde 4.1 version will be in intrepid? 4.1.3? | 12:29 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: that is kinda important | 12:29 |
| apachelogger | most people don't run amarok from a terminal | 12:30 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: will try to poke someone about that again later | 12:30 |
| Nightrose | true | 12:30 |
| apachelogger | Wubbbi: something like that | 12:30 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: "you people"? | 12:30 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: amarok | 12:31 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: that doesn't include you any more? | 12:31 |
| apachelogger | nope, I left | 12:32 |
| apachelogger | which reminds me again that I should blog ... there is busy | 12:32 |
| * apachelogger is wondering what the last part is supposed to mean | 12:32 | |
| * apachelogger grabs a coffee | 12:32 | |
| * Nightrose gets back to hacking | 12:33 | |
| Wubbbi | bug 212575 what about fixing that? Possible? | 12:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 212575 in gtk-qt-engine-kde4 "When cursor hits right edge of line edit, right edge disappears" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212575 | 12:34 |
| Wubbbi | @ Riddell | 12:34 |
| apachelogger | gtk-qt-engine is horribly broken | 12:34 |
| Wubbbi | Or is that a GTK ( Ubuntu ) bug? | 12:34 |
| Wubbbi | we should fix that very soon, because firefox look awful on kde 4 | 12:35 |
| apachelogger | that is a general issue | 12:36 |
| apachelogger | firefox looks awful | 12:36 |
| apachelogger | no matter what | 12:36 |
| Wubbbi | is it hard to fix? or just a little code mistake? | 12:36 |
| Riddell | Wubbbi: I've not really looked at gtk-qt-engine-kde4 at all, it's typically full of small problems that are hard to fix (at least the kde3 version was) | 12:38 |
| Riddell | if it's unusable we can just remove it easily enough | 12:38 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: currently it doesn't even build .. Tonio_ is looking into that next week | 12:39 |
| Wubbbi | Riddell: dont we have a Vanilla code of it? so that we can completly reset it? | 12:39 |
| Riddell | reset? there's nothing set | 12:40 |
| Wubbbi | ohh ... not build yet? | 12:41 |
| jtechidna | In my experience gtk-qt-engine has most of it's problems with Firefox 3 | 12:41 |
| jtechidna | Though it's quite perfect with other gtk apps | 12:41 |
| === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna | ||
| Wubbbi | Is Firefox completly designed with gtk2? | 12:43 |
| JontheEchidna | It's an XUL app emulating a GTK theme | 12:43 |
| Riddell | XUL uses gtk | 12:43 |
| Wubbbi | ok :) | 12:44 |
| Wubbbi | An Other Question: Why dont we use Koffice as the default Office Environment in Kubuntu? It use KDE Libs and QT ... that makes it much faster. And it will look better :) | 12:46 |
| apachelogger | a) | 12:46 |
| JontheEchidna | KOffice 2 is in alpha | 12:46 |
| apachelogger | Qt | 12:46 |
| apachelogger | QT is Quick Time | 12:46 |
| apachelogger | b) | 12:46 |
| apachelogger | it doesn't yet messure up to OpenOffice | 12:47 |
| apachelogger | especially conercning reliability | 12:47 |
| jussi01 | in other words, currently it sucks? | 12:47 |
| apachelogger | nope | 12:48 |
| * JontheEchidna would just stick to saying it's alpha quality | 12:48 | |
| apachelogger | it's just not where it should be | 12:48 |
| Riddell | koffice 1 did suck in important ways | 12:48 |
| Riddell | we'll look at the question again when koffice 2 is stable | 12:48 |
| * apachelogger isn't using offiline offices anyway | 12:48 | |
| Riddell | I would really like to change to koffice 2, I think it'll be doable, but not for intrepid | 12:49 |
| JontheEchidna | All I need offices for is for typing up essays and junk for school. | 12:49 |
| apachelogger | +1 | 12:49 |
| Wubbbi | k ... | 12:49 |
| * apachelogger would love to see koffice used in kubuntu | 12:49 | |
| apachelogger | it would also save us a lot of space on the CD | 12:49 |
| * JontheEchidna too | 12:49 | |
| * jussi01 also | 12:49 | |
| Wubbbi | I Dont like OpenOffice ... Its so slow and ugly :/ | 12:49 |
| Wubbbi | but ... its realy usefull :) | 12:50 |
| Riddell | people like ScottK are attached to their office suites though :) | 12:50 |
| * jussi01 hugs ScottK... there there :D | 12:51 | |
| apachelogger | it's not like you can't uninstall koffice and install openoffice :-P | 12:51 |
| Wubbbi | Well ... i dont know if you have read my problem. Here is it again. I Have installed the new kde-l10n-de package but ... when I set the Global Language to german, its still english and nothing changed ... Just kde 3.5.9 programms are german :/ | 12:53 |
| apachelogger | Wubbbi: global language? | 12:54 |
| Wubbbi | apachelogger: yes. In Systemsettings. | 12:55 |
| Wubbbi | ( Global KDE 4.1 language ) on my pc | 12:55 |
| apachelogger | ah | 12:55 |
| apachelogger | hm | 12:55 |
| apachelogger | that is no good | 12:55 |
| Wubbbi | I think this too xD | 12:55 |
| Wubbbi | you need any informations to fix that? | 12:56 |
| apachelogger | *installing* | 12:56 |
| Wubbbi | ^^ | 12:56 |
| apachelogger | seems to be very broken | 12:58 |
| apachelogger | Wubbbi: please report a bug | 12:58 |
| Wubbbi | ok | 12:58 |
| * apachelogger knows that this worked at some point | 12:58 | |
| apachelogger | oh well | 12:58 |
| apachelogger | Wubbbi: hold on a second | 12:59 |
| apachelogger | hm | 12:59 |
| Wubbbi | ok | 12:59 |
| apachelogger | Wubbbi: the problem is rosetta | 12:59 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: might it be that the kde4 translations aren't yet built from rosetta? | 12:59 |
| Wubbbi | ok ... what to do now? wait for a update or can i fix it by my own? | 13:00 |
| * apachelogger doesn't get it anyway, why complete translations need to be translated again | 13:00 | |
| apachelogger | Wubbbi: former | 13:01 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: right, they're not | 13:01 |
| Riddell | on my TODO for this afternoon (which I probably won't finnish) is getting KDE 4 packages to generate .pot files | 13:01 |
| apachelogger | Wubbbi: the translations get imported into rosetta (the launchpad translation system) and then exported to language-pack-kde-de, language-pack-kde-de-base and those currently don't contain the translations | 13:02 |
| Riddell | which will get imported into rosetta then out into the language packs | 13:02 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: is there a spec on why we import to rosetta at all? | 13:02 |
| Wubbbi | apachelogger: ok ... well i wait till it be fixed :) Riddell is working this afternoon :D | 13:02 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: because that's where we get the language packs from for one | 13:03 |
| * apachelogger just finds it strange | 13:04 | |
| apachelogger | bbiab | 13:05 |
| Riddell | I had a lengthy meeting this morning about getting rosetta to output something that would actually be useful to upstream KDE translators | 13:06 |
| \sh | apachelogger: do you have an idea where the video plugin of the composite stuff is storing the video? | 13:07 |
| vorian | morning | 13:08 |
| Wubbbi | vorian: afternoon :) | 13:09 |
| vorian | hello | 13:09 |
| apachelogger | \sh: somewhere in tmp maybe | 13:10 |
| * apachelogger never found out and just came to the conclusion that it might not have worked for him atall | 13:10 | |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I, for one, did only see rosetta cause problems | 13:11 |
| apachelogger | oh, that reminds me... | 13:11 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: how do we get bug 203349 fixed for real? | 13:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 203349 in language-pack-kde-sv "Broken plural forms in KDE" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203349 | 13:12 |
| apachelogger | users are getting grumpy | 13:12 |
| apachelogger | heya vorian | 13:12 |
| vorian | koffice2 is ftbfs atm | 13:12 |
| vorian | howdy | 13:13 |
| Wubbbi | Grumpy is one of the 7 | 13:13 |
| Wubbbi | 13:13 | |
| Wubbbi | Dwarfs | 13:13 |
| JontheEchidna | vorian: morning | 13:13 |
| vorian | heya | 13:13 |
| Wubbbi | omg ... enter is not good :/ | 13:13 |
| Riddell | vorian: I think I just convinced devfil in #u-motu to package the new alpha | 13:13 |
| JontheEchidna | koffice won't build in pbuilder :( | 13:14 |
| JontheEchidna | dependencies can't be satisfied | 13:14 |
| apachelogger | pbuilder update | 13:14 |
| vorian | yes they can, I think krita has a bug that causes the ftbfs | 13:15 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: jings, I had assumed that was fixed ages ago | 13:15 |
| JontheEchidna | upstream bug or packaging bug? | 13:15 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: in launchpad but apparently not in the hardy packages | 13:15 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: looking at comment 14 it needs amarok reuploaded (which is a bit poor, rosetta should be able to fix its own bugs but oh well) | 13:16 |
| apachelogger | :S | 13:16 |
| Riddell | hmm, no rosetta people around to hassle currently | 13:16 |
| apachelogger | d3lphin is also effected | 13:16 |
| JontheEchidna | Also the kdewebdev-kde4 hardy backport ftbfs with this: | 13:16 |
| JontheEchidna | cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/share/kde4/config/klinkstatus.knsrc': No such file or directory | 13:16 |
| JontheEchidna | I guess that doesn't get installed anymore? | 13:16 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: just remove everything that doesn't get instaleld properly | 13:17 |
| apachelogger | once it builds again | 13:17 |
| apachelogger | run make -f debian/rules list-missing | 13:17 |
| JontheEchidna | ok | 13:17 |
| apachelogger | in case the files got moved they will show up there so you can readd them with new path | 13:17 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=amarok-kde4 | 13:17 |
| vorian | apachelogger: looked at it last night, lintian was not very happy with the binary | 13:18 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: do you really want to keep the "preview version" thing in the package description ? | 13:18 |
| apachelogger | vorian: actually that package is one of the -kde4's where lintian is considerable happy ;-) | 13:19 |
| JontheEchidna | The nice thing about amarok is that upstream lurks here. | 13:19 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: upstream requested it | 13:19 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: until beta1 | 13:19 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: then, okay ;) | 13:19 |
| vorian | roger | 13:19 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: advocated | 13:20 |
| apachelogger | thank you | 13:20 |
| \sh | apachelogger: nope | 13:21 |
| apachelogger | \sh: ask seli in #kde-devel | 13:21 |
| apachelogger | if he is around | 13:21 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: bug 249849 | 13:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 249849 in amarok2 "Please remove amarok2 from Intrepid" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/249849 | 13:25 |
| apachelogger | if someone has time for a reveu -> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=mountmanager | 13:29 |
| * vorian looks | 13:30 | |
| \sh | grmpf | 13:34 |
| \sh | this video record plugin has a configuration ui...where is it? ;) | 13:34 |
| JontheEchidna | header files go to the -dev binary package? | 13:34 |
| * JontheEchidna doesn't see a .install file for the -dev binary package | 13:35 | |
| \sh | wtf is .cps? | 13:37 |
| apachelogger | capseo or something | 13:37 |
| apachelogger | the captury website explains how to convert it | 13:37 |
| \sh | thx | 13:39 |
| JontheEchidna | Hmm, should we provide a -dev file for kdewebdev-kde4? | 13:39 |
| JontheEchidna | *-dev package | 13:39 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, each binary package gets it's own -dev | 13:40 |
| JontheEchidna | but I don't see an install file for kommander-dev-kde4.... | 13:42 |
| apachelogger | maybe there is not content | 13:42 |
| apachelogger | or it doesn't make sense to ship it for kommander | 13:42 |
| allee | JontheEchidna: -dev pkgs are only needed when other pkgs or 3rd party apps need it to build | 13:42 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: see changelog and debian/not-installed | 13:42 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-quickaccess | 13:43 |
| allee | kommander is about scripting, so no .h or .a etc needed ;) | 13:43 |
| JontheEchidna | allee: so I shouldn't worry about those not being installed? | 13:43 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: thanks | 13:44 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: I moved the ack to the new version ;-) | 13:44 |
| JontheEchidna | hehe | 13:45 |
| allee | JontheEchidna: If upstream installs stuff to /usr/include or /usr/lib/*.a related to kommander then you have to have a closer looks if a -dev pkgs is needed | 13:45 |
| JontheEchidna | That would mean seeing if it's needed to build 3rd party apps? | 13:47 |
| coreymon77 | hi everybody | 13:52 |
| JontheEchidna | Hi | 13:53 |
| coreymon77 | anyone miss me? | 13:53 |
| * JontheEchidna doesn't know you too well, tbh :P | 13:54 | |
| allee | JontheEchidna: Software without pkg in kubuntu. So this case is pretty minor :)) | 13:54 |
| vorian | haha | 13:54 |
| vorian | a bird just flew straight into my window | 13:54 |
| coreymon77 | lol | 13:54 |
| allee | coreymon77: I always knew I missed something. Now I know what it was! | 13:55 |
| JontheEchidna | But then again I probably don't know you too well 'cuz I'm new | 13:55 |
| JontheEchidna | You could probably be an oldbie and I wouldn't have known... | 13:56 |
| coreymon77 | i am | 13:56 |
| coreymon77 | and havent been around much | 13:56 |
| JontheEchidna | Well then nice to meet you | 13:56 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: I think the kdewebdev-kde4 hardy backport is ready | 13:58 |
| coreymon77 | anyways i have to go, bye | 13:58 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: didn't you think that about 12 hours ago as well? | 13:59 |
| JontheEchidna | yes | 13:59 |
| JontheEchidna | :P | 13:59 |
| apachelogger | ok ^^ | 13:59 |
| JontheEchidna | No more ftbfs | 13:59 |
| JontheEchidna | and everything that should install does | 13:59 |
| * JontheEchidna thinks the current intrepid package doesn't install everything | 13:59 | |
| JontheEchidna | blame debian? | 14:00 |
| apachelogger | blame apachelogger | 14:00 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: what is not getting installed? | 14:00 |
| JontheEchidna | uuh | 14:00 |
| * JontheEchidna lost it in the debuild log | 14:00 | |
| Riddell | apachelogger: amarok2 gone | 14:00 |
| JontheEchidna | Some .so files | 14:00 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: thank you | 14:00 |
| JontheEchidna | and a manpage | 14:01 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: run a debdiff on the 12 hour old dsc and the new one ;-) | 14:01 |
| JontheEchidna | and I think a few .desktop files | 14:01 |
| * JontheEchidna doesn't have the old dsc | 14:02 | |
| JontheEchidna | it got overwritten when I debuild -S -sa'd | 14:02 |
| JontheEchidna | should I have been bumping ~ppan up all this time? | 14:02 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: ah send over | 14:03 |
| JontheEchidna | kk | 14:03 |
| * apachelogger archives everything and can run the debdiff himself :P | 14:03 | |
| Wubbbi | bug 249854 | 14:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 249854 in ubuntu "Connection to localhost has been lost" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/249854 | 14:03 |
| Wubbbi | Can someone help me with this bug? | 14:04 |
| apachelogger | works for me | 14:05 |
| Wubbbi | me too but I get this error :/ | 14:05 |
| JontheEchidna | sent | 14:05 |
| apachelogger | ah | 14:06 |
| apachelogger | Wubbbi: dpkg -s ksysguardd | 14:06 |
| Wubbbi | "Package `ksysguardd' is not installed and no info is available." | 14:06 |
| Wubbbi | now i have installed ksysguardd | 14:08 |
| Wubbbi | and it works without error :D | 14:08 |
| Wubbbi | ok | 14:08 |
| Wubbbi | thx xD | 14:08 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/28270/ | 14:08 |
| apachelogger | you only changed paths | 14:08 |
| apachelogger | so nothing wrong with the intrepid package :P | 14:09 |
| Wubbbi | apachelogger: how to delete a bugreport? or mark it as "fixed"? | 14:09 |
| apachelogger | Wubbbi: it is not fixed nor should be deleted | 14:09 |
| Wubbbi | but the fix was the install og ksysguardd | 14:10 |
| apachelogger | hm | 14:10 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: oops, forgot to rebuild the source package | 14:10 |
| Wubbbi | og = of | 14:10 |
| apachelogger | Wubbbi: the dependency on ksysguardd is missing | 14:10 |
| * JontheEchidna headdesks | 14:10 | |
| Riddell | Wubbbi: no, the fix is to make ksysguard Recommend or Depend on ksysguard | 14:10 |
| Wubbbi | Riddell: ohh ok ^^ | 14:10 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: kde3 had a dep | 14:10 |
| apachelogger | Wubbbi: also, when you report bugs, please always report the bug against a package rather than ubuntu | 14:11 |
| apachelogger | even when you choose the wrong kde package the possability we catch it is higher than when it gets lost ;-) | 14:11 |
| Riddell | Wubbbi: if you want us to take you through fixing it then let us know | 14:11 |
| Wubbbi | apachelogger: the programm " System Monitor " was not select able :/ | 14:11 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: resent | 14:12 |
| Wubbbi | Riddell: it would be great if you fix is ;) fix is allways good :D | 14:12 |
| apachelogger | Wubbbi: apt-cache show ksysguard tells you the source package for which you have to file the bug | 14:12 |
| Riddell | Wubbbi: but even better if you fix it! | 14:13 |
| Wubbbi | apachelogger: oh ... ok ow to edit it launchpad? | 14:13 |
| Wubbbi | how | 14:13 |
| apachelogger | already did | 14:13 |
| Wubbbi | ok thx :) | 14:13 |
| apachelogger | Wubbbi: so, do you want to fix it? | 14:14 |
| Wubbbi | apachelogger: i dont know how xD | 14:15 |
| apachelogger | Wubbbi: I guess JontheEchidna can guide you :) | 14:15 |
| Wubbbi | JontheEchidna: can you guide me? it would be great. :D | 14:15 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: bug 249854 | 14:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 249854 in kdebase-workspace "Connection to localhost has been lost ( System Monitor KDE4 )" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/249854 | 14:15 |
| * JontheEchidna looks | 14:16 | |
| JontheEchidna | oh, that should be an easy one | 14:16 |
| Wubbbi | ^^ | 14:16 |
| JontheEchidna | you're running intrepid right? | 14:16 |
| Wubbbi | yes | 14:16 |
| JontheEchidna | Ok, you might want to make an "ubuntu" directory anywhere | 14:17 |
| JontheEchidna | and inside that directory make a "ksysguard" directory | 14:17 |
| JontheEchidna | example: /home/wubbbi/ubuntu/ksysguard | 14:17 |
| Wubbbi | ohh ok | 14:17 |
| JontheEchidna | Now you're going to download the source package for ksysguard | 14:18 |
| JontheEchidna | From that directory, run "apt-get source ksysguard" (Don't use sudo) | 14:18 |
| Wubbbi | ok | 14:19 |
| Wubbbi | is downloading :D | 14:19 |
| JontheEchidna | tell me once it's done | 14:19 |
| Wubbbi | ok | 14:19 |
| JontheEchidna | done? | 14:21 |
| * JontheEchidna wasn't sure if that ok mean "ok it's done" or "ok I'll tell you when it's done" | 14:21 | |
| Wubbbi | JontheEchidna: done | 14:21 |
| JontheEchidna | ok | 14:22 |
| JontheEchidna | You have now downloaded the basic source package | 14:22 |
| Wubbbi | good | 14:22 |
| JontheEchidna | You can extract this package so you can edit it by running "dpkg-source -x *dsc" | 14:22 |
| Wubbbi | done :) | 14:23 |
| JontheEchidna | There should be a new folder, go to it | 14:24 |
| Wubbbi | ok | 14:24 |
| JontheEchidna | This is the source code + packaging | 14:24 |
| JontheEchidna | the packaging is in the debian folder | 14:24 |
| JontheEchidna | which is what we want to fix | 14:24 |
| Wubbbi | ok im in that folder | 14:24 |
| JontheEchidna | There's a file called "control", open it up in a text editor | 14:25 |
| Wubbbi | done | 14:25 |
| JontheEchidna | ok | 14:25 |
| JontheEchidna | btw, what is the name of the folder the source is in? | 14:26 |
| JontheEchidna | kdebase-workspace? | 14:26 |
| Wubbbi | you mean me? | 14:26 |
| JontheEchidna | What's the name of the folder in /home/you/ubuntu/ksysguard called? | 14:27 |
| JontheEchidna | nvm, it's kdebase-workspace | 14:27 |
| Wubbbi | kde-baseworkspace-4.0.98 | 14:28 |
| JontheEchidna | good | 14:28 |
| Wubbbi | yes it is | 14:28 |
| JontheEchidna | crtl +f and search for Package: ksysguard | 14:28 |
| JontheEchidna | "Package: ksysguard | 14:28 |
| Wubbbi | found | 14:28 |
| JontheEchidna | " | 14:28 |
| Wubbbi | k | 14:28 |
| JontheEchidna | ok, now you should see Depends: | 14:29 |
| Wubbbi | yes | 14:29 |
| JontheEchidna | add a comma after ${shlibs:Depends} | 14:29 |
| JontheEchidna | and enter "ksysguardd" | 14:30 |
| Wubbbi | like this? "Depends: ${shlibs:Depends},ksysguard" | 14:30 |
| JontheEchidna | preferrably a space between , and ksysguard | 14:30 |
| Wubbbi | ohhh doubble d ^^ | 14:30 |
| Wubbbi | Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ksysguardd | 14:30 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, make sure you aren't editing the double d package either | 14:31 |
| JontheEchidna | because ksysguardd is also in the control file | 14:31 |
| Wubbbi | ok ^^ is done | 14:31 |
| JontheEchidna | ok, now save | 14:31 |
| Wubbbi | ok | 14:31 |
| * JontheEchidna forgot that you need a gpg key to sign the package with | 14:32 | |
| Wubbbi | aha how to get? | 14:32 |
| JontheEchidna | let me find a guide | 14:33 |
| Wubbbi | ok | 14:33 |
| JontheEchidna | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto#Generating%20an%20OpenPGP%20Key | 14:35 |
| Wubbbi | JontheEchidna: what do i need? DSA and Elgamal, only DSA or RSA? | 14:39 |
| JontheEchidna | RSA, I think | 14:39 |
| Wubbbi | ok | 14:39 |
| Wubbbi | key size? | 14:40 |
| JontheEchidna | 2048 is good | 14:40 |
| Wubbbi | ok | 14:40 |
| Wubbbi | how long valid? longest time? | 14:40 |
| JontheEchidna | sure | 14:41 |
| Wubbbi | can i choose the Passphrase by my own? | 14:43 |
| JontheEchidna | you don't want anyone else knowing it | 14:43 |
| JontheEchidna | or else somebody could make a package and say that they're you | 14:44 |
| Wubbbi | ok | 14:44 |
| JontheEchidna | It's basically a password | 14:44 |
| Wubbbi | ok | 14:45 |
| Wubbbi | i have done a gpg | 14:45 |
| JontheEchidna | nice | 14:45 |
| Wubbbi | and now? | 14:46 |
| JontheEchidna | Did you follow the rest of the guide (e.g. putting the line in ~/.bashrc)? | 14:46 |
| JontheEchidna | and then the killall -1 gpg-agent stuff | 14:46 |
| Wubbbi | ohh no | 14:46 |
| Wubbbi | ok wait :D | 14:46 |
| JontheEchidna | :) | 14:47 |
| Wubbbi | ok done | 14:48 |
| JontheEchidna | Now we're going to open the changelog file in your text editor | 14:49 |
| JontheEchidna | This basically says what you changed | 14:50 |
| JontheEchidna | (changelog is in the debian folder) | 14:50 |
| Wubbbi | ok | 14:51 |
| Wubbbi | done | 14:51 |
| JontheEchidna | copy the whole most recent entry, and paste it at the top | 14:52 |
| JontheEchidna | make sure 1 blank line separates the entries | 14:52 |
| seele | hmm.. no idea when the next kubuntu meeting is? | 14:52 |
| seele | the wiki says tbd | 14:52 |
| Wubbbi | ok done | 14:53 |
| JontheEchidna | seele: I put it like that since when I last edited it it still said June | 14:53 |
| Wubbbi | and now change the name and so on? | 14:53 |
| seele | JontheEchidna: ah ok :) | 14:53 |
| JontheEchidna | Wubbbi: ok, I want to go through this one line at a time | 14:53 |
| JontheEchidna | kdebase-workspace (4:4.0.83-0ubuntu3) intrepid; urgency=low | 14:53 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: I think it makes more sense to use dch | 14:53 |
| apachelogger | less work that is | 14:53 |
| JontheEchidna | ah yeah, you're right | 14:54 |
| JontheEchidna | but I want him to be familiar with what happens | 14:54 |
| JontheEchidna | Wubbbi: ok, so you just made a bugfix. Now we're going to have to bump the version number up | 14:55 |
| apachelogger | good point | 14:55 |
| Wubbbi | ok | 14:55 |
| JontheEchidna | 4.0.83-0ubuntu3 | 14:55 |
| JontheEchidna | we'd want to make that -0ubuntu4 | 14:55 |
| Wubbbi | so now its 4.0.98-0ubuntu5? | 14:55 |
| Wubbbi | ohh | 14:55 |
| Wubbbi | ok | 14:55 |
| JontheEchidna | 5 | 14:55 |
| Wubbbi | yes | 14:55 |
| JontheEchidna | 1 more than the last one :P | 14:55 |
| Wubbbi | yes ;) | 14:56 |
| JontheEchidna | * Add a kwin transitional package | 14:56 |
| JontheEchidna | ^That says what you did | 14:56 |
| Wubbbi | yes | 14:56 |
| JontheEchidna | You might say "Added a build dependency of ksysguardd to ksysguard (LP: #numberofthebugyoufixed)" | 14:56 |
| Wubbbi | ok done | 14:57 |
| JontheEchidna | Then the last line | 14:57 |
| JontheEchidna | -- Jonathan Riddell <jriddell@ubuntu.com> Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:13:23 +0000 | 14:57 |
| JontheEchidna | you need to replace the name and email address with exactly what you typed in for the gpg key | 14:58 |
| Wubbbi | ok done | 14:58 |
| JontheEchidna | and then change the date accordingly | 14:58 |
| Wubbbi | in my timezone? | 14:58 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah | 14:59 |
| Wubbbi | and the time too? | 14:59 |
| JontheEchidna | that's what the +0000 is for, your timezone | 14:59 |
| JontheEchidna | yes | 14:59 |
| Riddell | date -R | 14:59 |
| Riddell | copy and paste | 14:59 |
| Wubbbi | done :) | 14:59 |
| Wubbbi | finish? | 15:00 |
| JontheEchidna | save | 15:00 |
| JontheEchidna | go back to mr konsole | 15:00 |
| JontheEchidna | now we're going to build the new version of the source package | 15:00 |
| Wubbbi | ok | 15:01 |
| JontheEchidna | debuild -S -sa | 15:01 |
| JontheEchidna | that will build a source package and include the original source | 15:01 |
| JontheEchidna | it will prompt you for your gpg pass if everything goes ok | 15:02 |
| Wubbbi | ok | 15:02 |
| Wubbbi | wait i need to download something ^^ | 15:02 |
| JontheEchidna | what? | 15:03 |
| JontheEchidna | ooh, right | 15:03 |
| JontheEchidna | the dev tools | 15:03 |
| Wubbbi | failt http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/390930/ :( | 15:06 |
| JontheEchidna | huh | 15:06 |
| Wubbbi | ?? | 15:06 |
| * JontheEchidna is puzzled | 15:06 | |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: halp! | 15:07 |
| Wubbbi | wehre i have to run this command? in kdebase-workspace/debian? or /home/me? | 15:07 |
| JontheEchidna | you can run it in kdebase-workspace | 15:07 |
| Wubbbi | same :( | 15:08 |
| * apachelogger puts on his cape and jumps in | 15:08 | |
| JontheEchidna | :D | 15:08 |
| Wubbbi | xD | 15:08 |
| apachelogger | sudo apt-get install cdbs | 15:08 |
| JontheEchidna | d'oh | 15:09 |
| Wubbbi | done | 15:10 |
| JontheEchidna | It should work now | 15:10 |
| apachelogger | oh | 15:10 |
| apachelogger | no | 15:10 |
| apachelogger | actually sudo apt-get install quilt | 15:10 |
| apachelogger | is probably missing as well | 15:10 |
| * JontheEchidna remembers having similar problems | 15:10 | |
| Wubbbi | failt http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/390931/ | 15:10 |
| JontheEchidna | Wubbbi: sudo apt-get install quilt as well | 15:11 |
| Wubbbi | AHHHH now it works :D | 15:11 |
| JontheEchidna | :) | 15:11 |
| JontheEchidna | tell me when it's done | 15:11 |
| Wubbbi | gpg: skipped "Egon Ashrafinia <egonas1@web.de>": secret key not available -.- i have done something wrong xD | 15:12 |
| Wubbbi | debsign: gpg error occurred! Aborting... | 15:12 |
| JontheEchidna | could I see your ~/.bashrc ? | 15:12 |
| * JontheEchidna hopes it doesn't equal this exactly: | 15:13 | |
| JontheEchidna | export GPGKEY=D8FC66D2 | 15:13 |
| Wubbbi | http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/390932/ | 15:13 |
| Wubbbi | no | 15:13 |
| Wubbbi | uppps | 15:13 |
| Wubbbi | i forgott to add it -.- | 15:14 |
| JontheEchidna | export GPGKEY=yourgpgkey | 15:14 |
| Wubbbi | where i should add the line export GPGKEY=xxxx | 15:14 |
| Wubbbi | at the top? | 15:14 |
| Riddell | you don't need to sign it for a debdiff | 15:14 |
| Wubbbi | sure? | 15:15 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: you don't? | 15:15 |
| * JontheEchidna didn't know | 15:15 | |
| Riddell | cd .. | 15:15 |
| Riddell | debdiff <old>.dsc <new>.dsc | 15:16 |
| Riddell | pastebin | 15:16 |
| Wubbbi | where i should add the line "export GPGKEY=xxxx" | 15:16 |
| JontheEchidna | Wubbbi: anywhere, is fine, I think. but listen to what riddell said | 15:16 |
| Wubbbi | ok | 15:16 |
| Wubbbi | I try again | 15:18 |
| vorian | i have mine at the very top | 15:18 |
| vorian | hmm | 15:18 |
| Wubbbi | still that mistake ... dam | 15:18 |
| vorian | not export gpgkey ... | 15:18 |
| * JontheEchidna wonders what is wrong | 15:22 | |
| Wubbbi | -.- what to do now? | 15:22 |
| JontheEchidna | Wubbbi: did you restart gpg? | 15:22 |
| vorian | i was saying I don't have exprt gpgkey in my bashrc | 15:23 |
| apachelogger | Wubbbi: debuild -S -sa -us -uc | 15:23 |
| JontheEchidna | killall -q gpg-agent | 15:23 |
| JontheEchidna | eval $(gpg-agent --daemon) | 15:23 |
| JontheEchidna | source ~/.bashrc | 15:23 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: one only needs to export the gpgkey if they keyname differs from the one used in debian/changelog | 15:23 |
| JontheEchidna | oh | 15:23 |
| vorian | you bring in your key with devscripts | 15:24 |
| Wubbbi | JontheEchidna: yes i have done it | 15:24 |
| vorian | or i do, at least | 15:24 |
| Wubbbi | apachelogger: workt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 15:24 |
| Wubbbi | :D | 15:24 |
| * JontheEchidna gives apachelogger a cookie | 15:24 | |
| Wubbbi | Finished running lintian. | 15:24 |
| Wubbbi | what to do now? | 15:25 |
| JontheEchidna | cd .. | 15:25 |
| Wubbbi | k | 15:25 |
| JontheEchidna | now we need to make a file showing the differences between the new and old versions | 15:25 |
| JontheEchidna | we use debdiff to do that. | 15:25 |
| JontheEchidna | debdiff theoldversion.dsc thenewversion.dsc | 15:26 |
| JontheEchidna | upload to pastebin | 15:26 |
| * apachelogger munches the cookie | 15:26 | |
| JontheEchidna | Hehe, vorian didn't steal the cookie this time | 15:27 |
| Wubbbi | done :D | 15:27 |
| JontheEchidna | Wubbbi: pastebin link please? | 15:27 |
| JontheEchidna | copy the output and paste it to pastebin | 15:27 |
| vorian | :) | 15:28 |
| Wubbbi | http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/390936/ | 15:28 |
| JontheEchidna | looks good | 15:28 |
| * smarter waves | 15:29 | |
| Wubbbi | ^^ | 15:29 |
| Wubbbi | thx | 15:29 |
| JontheEchidna | you can save that as adddepend.debdiff and upload it to the bug as an attachment | 15:29 |
| Wubbbi | ok | 15:30 |
| JontheEchidna | then poke somebody to set the bug to triaged and subscribe it to the right sponsor group | 15:30 |
| Wubbbi | can someone set? ^^ | 15:31 |
| Wubbbi | Riddell? | 15:31 |
| JontheEchidna | Wubbbi: you need to attach the attachment | 15:32 |
| Wubbbi | ohh ok | 15:32 |
| Riddell | what the bug number again? | 15:32 |
| Wubbbi | to what? | 15:32 |
| Wubbbi | fix commited? | 15:32 |
| Riddell | attach it to the bug | 15:32 |
| JontheEchidna | 249854 | 15:32 |
| JontheEchidna | bug 249854 | 15:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 249854 in kdebase-workspace "Connection to localhost has been lost ( System Monitor KDE4 )" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/249854 | 15:32 |
| Wubbbi | JontheEchidna: ok what is to do now? | 15:33 |
| Riddell | Wubbbi: you havn't attached it to the bug | 15:34 |
| JontheEchidna | bug somebody to set it to triaged | 15:34 |
| Wubbbi | Riddell: what? | 15:34 |
| Riddell | Wubbbi: you added a comment, but there's no attachment | 15:34 |
| Wubbbi | JontheEchidna: Status: Fix Committed? | 15:35 |
| Wubbbi | Riddell: ohhh right xD | 15:35 |
| vorian | Wubbbi: just 'confirmed' | 15:35 |
| Wubbbi | ok | 15:35 |
| Wubbbi | how to edit my post? | 15:35 |
| JontheEchidna | just make a new comment | 15:36 |
| JontheEchidna | you can't edit existing posts | 15:36 |
| Wubbbi | is this a patch? | 15:37 |
| Wubbbi | yes?! | 15:37 |
| JontheEchidna | yes | 15:37 |
| Wubbbi | ok done | 15:37 |
| Wubbbi | good like this? | 15:37 |
| JontheEchidna | remember when you ran debdiff old.dsc new.dsc? | 15:38 |
| JontheEchidna | you need to save the output of that too a file and attach that to the bug | 15:38 |
| Wubbbi | when? time? | 15:38 |
| JontheEchidna | http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/390936/ | 15:38 |
| JontheEchidna | ^When you pasted that | 15:38 |
| JontheEchidna | paste it to a text editor and save it as fixed-dep.debidff | 15:39 |
| JontheEchidna | and attach it to the bug | 15:39 |
| Riddell | debdiff <old>.dsc <new>.dsc > fixed-dep.debdiff | 15:39 |
| Riddell | the last > is a real character there | 15:40 |
| JontheEchidna | ^or that | 15:40 |
| JontheEchidna | that will save it to a file for you | 15:40 |
| Wubbbi | so i need to upload this file too? | 15:40 |
| Riddell | yes | 15:41 |
| JontheEchidna | Wubbbi: you just need to upload that debdiff file | 15:41 |
| Wubbbi | done ... :) | 15:42 |
| JontheEchidna | great | 15:43 |
| Wubbbi | ^^ | 15:43 |
| Wubbbi | thx | 15:43 |
| Wubbbi | thats all? | 15:43 |
| JontheEchidna | subscribe the bug to ~ubuntu-main-sponsors | 15:43 |
| Wubbbi | how? | 15:43 |
| JontheEchidna | on the right of the bug report page | 15:43 |
| JontheEchidna | there should be a link that says "subscribe someone else" | 15:44 |
| JontheEchidna | with a green plus icon to the left of it | 15:44 |
| Wubbbi | done :D | 15:45 |
| JontheEchidna | ok, then that's it | 15:45 |
| Wubbbi | :D thx for helping me :) | 15:45 |
| Wubbbi | I have learnd so much and the next bugfix will be faster :D | 15:45 |
| JontheEchidna | somebody with upload powers to the main ubuntu repo will upload the fixed package | 15:45 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, it already got uploaded | 15:47 |
| JontheEchidna | ^_^ | 15:47 |
| JontheEchidna | Wubbbi: the fix should be ready once the new package is done building | 15:47 |
| JontheEchidna | in the meantime just install ksysguardd | 15:47 |
| Wubbbi | JontheEchidna: thx a lot :D | 15:47 |
| JontheEchidna | you're welcome | 15:47 |
| JontheEchidna | thanks for your contribution to Kubuntu | 15:48 |
| _Artemis_Fowl_ | seele: ping | 15:49 |
| _Artemis_Fowl_ | seele: check this: http://artfowl.blogspot.com/2008/07/it-seems-like-ages-since-my-last-post.html | 15:49 |
| _Artemis_Fowl_ | seele: check the screenshot and when I'm back in about 2 hours tell me if everything is OK | 15:50 |
| Wubbbi | JontheEchidna: np ^^ it makes me feel good, when I can help on Kubuntu :D | 15:50 |
| ryanakca | Anybody mind reviewing my kde-style-qtcurve merge (REVU) before I upload to LP? | 15:52 |
| yuriy | Riddell: looking for someone to sponsor patches for bug 183989, bug 241916, and bug 243683 | 15:53 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 183989 in kdenetwork "Kopete freezes when previewing LaTeX" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183989 | 15:53 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 241916 in kdebase "Kde help index creation fails due to dash incompatability" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/241916 | 15:53 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 243683 in kde4libs "paste function inserts double text" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/243683 | 15:53 |
| yuriy | also some guidance for the person in 190371 would be good | 15:53 |
| yuriy | bug 190371 | 15:53 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 190371 in kdelibs "KDE3 libthai dynamic loading unneccessarily requires libtool archive file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190371 | 15:53 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: looking for sponsorship of bug 212570 | 15:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 212570 in kdebase-kde4 "Cannot use "Find File..." feature in Dolphin with default Kubuntu-KDE4 installation" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212570 | 15:54 |
| JontheEchidna | Also, need second revu for this: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-quickaccess | 16:01 |
| JontheEchidna | vorian: if you have time? ^ | 16:02 |
| vorian | sure thing | 16:02 |
| paran | anybody here running intrepid in KVM? with kvm from hardy-proposed I am able to install and boot intrepid, but it fails to start Xorg. | 16:03 |
| Riddell | Wubbbi: uploaded! | 16:04 |
| Wubbbi | Riddell: thx :D | 16:04 |
| Riddell | paran: not I. people in #ubuntu-testing are likely to be doing that | 16:06 |
| JontheEchidna | Bah, can't resolve dependencies for koffice2 even after pbuilder update | 16:06 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: what are you doing with koffice 2? | 16:07 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: packaging new upstream for intrepid | 16:08 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: did you tell devfil? | 16:08 |
| JontheEchidna | who is devfil? | 16:08 |
| vorian | JontheEchidna: great job, uploaded! | 16:09 |
| JontheEchidna | vorian: thanks | 16:09 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: the chap I said to you a few hours ago agreed to package the new koffice alpha | 16:09 |
| vorian | thank you | 16:09 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: I don't think he's started though so if you're onto it just tell him | 16:09 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, that's right after I woke up | 16:09 |
| Riddell | yuriy: you want bug 183989 as a SRU? | 16:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 183989 in kdenetwork "Kopete freezes when previewing LaTeX" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183989 | 16:10 |
| vorian | Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/28256/ is causing ftbfs, but the krita-data install file looks correct | 16:11 |
| yuriy | Riddell: not sure. patch is there if it can be, otherwise close it | 16:11 |
| Riddell | yuriy: I expect it'll be ok, not too sure what the SRU policy is after .1 but I'll upload and let the SRU team care about it | 16:12 |
| Riddell | vorian: in koffice 2? JontheEchidna is doing koffice 2 packaging right now | 16:13 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: vorian was assisting/reviewing it | 16:13 |
| Wubbbi | Riddell: did the language bug fixed? Or is there a bugreport for it? | 16:14 |
| vorian | Wubbbi: it will auto-update once the package is published | 16:15 |
| paran | Riddell: I didnt know about that channel. I will ask there, thanks. | 16:15 |
| Riddell | Wubbbi: looks like apachelogger uploaded the new kde-i18n packages last night | 16:15 |
| vorian | erm, sorry for the misunderstanding | 16:16 |
| JontheEchidna | crap, where'd the menubar go for konsole? | 16:16 |
| * JontheEchidna needs it back | 16:16 | |
| Wubbbi | Riddell: no i mean the bug with rosetta | 16:16 |
| Riddell | Wubbbi: the plurals one? | 16:16 |
| papabean | JontheEchidna: Right-click inside the Konsole window. | 16:17 |
| Wubbbi | [14:02] <Riddell> on my TODO for this afternoon (which I probably won't finnish) is getting KDE 4 packages to generate .pot files | 16:17 |
| JontheEchidna | papabean: whew, thanks | 16:17 |
| Riddell | Wubbbi: oh, nowhere near yet | 16:17 |
| Riddell | try again on monday I guess | 16:17 |
| Riddell | lugradio live at the weekend | 16:17 |
| Wubbbi | Riddell: [14:02] <Riddell> which will get imported into rosetta then out into the language packs | 16:17 |
| Wubbbi | ok :/ | 16:18 |
| papabean | Riddell: Enjoy that. Saw them when they were in the US. | 16:19 |
| ryanakca | Anybody mind reviewing my kde-style-qtcurve merge (REVU) before I upload to LP? | 16:25 |
| avik42 | hiya, I just installed Kubuntu Intrepid Alpha 2 .. I can sudo just fine but when I try to use Hardware Driver Manager it says I need to give root password.. what is the root password? I didn't have a dialog to set it at install time and it's not the same as my sudo password .. thanks | 16:29 |
| avik42 | I was told to ask here from #ubuntu+1 | 16:29 |
| JontheEchidna | Tonio_: ^Is this related to the kdesudo problems we had yesterday? | 16:30 |
| avik42 | hiya Jon :) | 16:31 |
| JontheEchidna | hi | 16:31 |
| JontheEchidna | avik42: are you sure it's launching kdesudo? | 16:31 |
| JontheEchidna | and not kdesu or anything? | 16:31 |
| avik42 | dialog box says Run as root - KDE su <2> | 16:32 |
| JontheEchidna | aha! | 16:32 |
| JontheEchidna | try running kdesudo jockey-kde from a console and see if that works | 16:32 |
| avik42 | okay .. you got me :) | 16:32 |
| avik42 | LOL kdesudo is currently not installed | 16:33 |
| Wubbbi | avik42: did you done a update after installing alpha 2? | 16:33 |
| JontheEchidna | that's probably why | 16:33 |
| avik42 | Wubbl: yup | 16:33 |
| avik42 | yeah .. installing now .. this should be in the inital install no? | 16:34 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, probably should | 16:34 |
| Riddell | yuriy: uploaded your first three bugs, what's the issue with bug 190371? if it applies and works then we can try for a SRU too | 16:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 190371 in kdelibs "KDE3 libthai dynamic loading unneccessarily requires libtool archive file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190371 | 16:35 |
| papabean | Could the amarok 2 alpha binary be renamed to amarok2? | 16:37 |
| Riddell | avik42: it was broken in alpha 2, if it works for you when you install it now that should mean it's fixed for alpha 3 (next week) | 16:37 |
| Riddell | papabean: I believe it's being named amarok-kde4 now in the ubuntu archive | 16:37 |
| papabean | great. thanks. | 16:38 |
| avik42 | Riddell: doesn't looks like it's fixed yet .. but it still not liking my password .. so lets see what else is missing .. may be | 16:38 |
| avik42 | hmm this is new .. if I type from command prompt kdesudo jockey-kde it says jockey-kde cannot connect to X server :0.0 | 16:40 |
| avik42 | may be this is a challenge for after lunch .. brb.. thanks for all the help :) | 16:41 |
| Riddell | hmm, I get that too | 16:42 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: ^^ | 16:42 |
| Wubbbi | can i change my E-mail adress on Launchpad? | 16:45 |
| Wubbbi | I | 16:45 |
| Wubbbi | ok found ^^ | 16:46 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: bug 212570 uploaded | 16:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 212570 in kdebase-kde4 "Cannot use "Find File..." feature in Dolphin with default Kubuntu-KDE4 installation" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212570 | 16:48 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: thanks | 16:49 |
| hunger | Anyone working on getting digikam working on intrepid again? | 17:04 |
| Wubbbi | hunger: apachelogger I think :/ | 17:05 |
| apachelogger | nope | 17:06 |
| apachelogger | Xand3r | 17:06 |
| Wubbbi | Riddell: Is it possible to add a patch, that in the Shutdown dialog is a Hibernate and/or a Standby Option? That would be great | 17:08 |
| JontheEchidna | Yay, the plasmoid-am4rok guy re-released 0.5 with the gpl in the tarball! | 17:08 |
| Riddell | Wubbbi: there is if you know where to click and hold | 17:08 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: go freedom! | 17:09 |
| Wubbbi | Riddell: very well hidden buttom ;) | 17:10 |
| Wubbbi | -well | 17:10 |
| * Riddell gone | 17:19 | |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: plasmoid-am4rok author re-uploaded the 0.5 tarball with the copying file, I've uploaded to revu. | 17:25 |
| yuriy | Riddell: for 190371 I wasn't sure if it was too much of an invasive change. also it needs separate fixes for KDE4 and I wanted to give him some direction of what to do about that. wait to see if it gets included in 4.1.1 or put it in intrepid packages in 4.1.0... | 17:29 |
| avik42 | is there a problem with adept-manager? It starts up and dies saying: Could not find 'drkonqi' after doing apt-get it says that it's depreciated and to use kdebase-runtime-data .. which is already installed | 17:36 |
| ryanakca | Anybody mind reviewing my kde-style-qtcurve merge (REVU) before I upload to LP? | 17:38 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/28307/ what the heck? | 17:46 |
| Wubbbi | bug 249911 ... any idea? | 17:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 249911 in adept "Adept Crashed by starting it on IntrepidIbex" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/249911 | 17:48 |
| JontheEchidna | I don't think adept should work since konsole-kde3 is no more | 17:50 |
| JontheEchidna | it's probably failing trying to find the konsole-kpart from kde3 | 17:51 |
| === santiago-ve is now known as Guest65388 | ||
| Wubbbi | JontheEchidna: so you planned to remove adept completly? | 17:52 |
| JontheEchidna | The plan is to use Adept3 | 17:53 |
| JontheEchidna | which isn't ready at the moment | 17:53 |
| Wubbbi | is the developent started? | 17:53 |
| JontheEchidna | Quite some time ago | 17:53 |
| JontheEchidna | I think it's in the early alphas | 17:54 |
| Wubbbi | hmm ^^ what ever. I dont like Adept so much ^^ | 17:54 |
| * JontheEchidna uses apt-get or aptitude unless he needs to search for a package | 17:56 | |
| === santiago-pgsql is now known as santiago-ve | ||
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: right, then you use apt-cache of course ;-) | 18:16 |
| JontheEchidna | ooh, apt-cache search | 18:17 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: did you use the correct cdbs for konq-plugins? | 18:17 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: grabbed it right out of webdev | 18:18 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: debian/changelog is missing a whitespace apparently | 18:18 |
| apachelogger | between name and date there are 2 whitespaces | 18:19 |
| apachelogger | I only see one in that paste | 18:19 |
| JontheEchidna | hmm... | 18:19 |
| JontheEchidna | I didn't think that was causing the failure because I've seen a similar error before that didn't cause it to fail | 18:19 |
| apachelogger | I didn't say that :P | 18:21 |
| apachelogger | rm: invalid option -- k | 18:21 |
| apachelogger | Try `rm --help' for more information. | 18:21 |
| apachelogger | dh_clean: command returned error code | 18:21 |
| apachelogger | where did rm get that k from? | 18:21 |
| JontheEchidna | I saw that too | 18:21 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: please tar your debian dir up and send it over | 18:22 |
| JontheEchidna | k | 18:22 |
| yuriy | it's a KDE program, of course there's a k in there | 18:22 |
| apachelogger | lol | 18:22 |
| JontheEchidna | :P | 18:22 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: sent | 18:25 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: rm -f "debian/konqueror-plugin-uachanger -kde4.substvars" | 18:34 |
| apachelogger | rm -f debian/konqueror-plugin-uachanger -kde4.*.debhelper | 18:34 |
| apachelogger | there you have your issue | 18:34 |
| apachelogger | debian/control | 18:35 |
| JontheEchidna | bah! | 18:35 |
| apachelogger | line 51 | 18:35 |
| apachelogger | 71 | 18:35 |
| apachelogger | s/71/75 | 18:35 |
| apachelogger | 83 | 18:35 |
| apachelogger | 91 | 18:35 |
| apachelogger | 100 | 18:35 |
| apachelogger | 107 | 18:35 |
| * JontheEchidna headdesks | 18:35 | |
| * apachelogger sings the batman theme | 18:36 | |
| JontheEchidna | too much batman | 18:36 |
| apachelogger | very true | 18:36 |
| JontheEchidna | Ok, now that's better | 18:40 |
| * JontheEchidna testbuilds | 18:40 | |
| klerfayt | can we have wikilyrics as default amarok lyrics script in Intrepid? | 18:53 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: ^ | 18:55 |
| Nightrose | mom phone | 18:55 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: konq-plugins-kde4 coming your way | 18:57 |
| Nightrose | klerfayt: for amarok 1.4? I don't have a problem with that - apachelogger just needs to change it - i really doubt we are going to change it upstream | 18:59 |
| Nightrose | for 2: no script works at all right now | 18:59 |
| JontheEchidna | Which amarok is going with Intrepid? | 18:59 |
| Nightrose | as soon as one wirks i will push for wikilyrics | 19:00 |
| Nightrose | *works | 19:00 |
| Nightrose | JontheEchidna: probably both | 19:00 |
| klerfayt | Nightrose: I find the current one that comes by default with Hardy highly insufficient compared to wikilyrics http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=35151 | 19:01 |
| Nightrose | klerfayt: yes I don't really like it either as it has been unreliable lately | 19:01 |
| Nightrose | but as i said not likely to get changed upstream | 19:02 |
| Nightrose | no more 1.4.x releases | 19:02 |
| Nightrose | and we are not releasing another version just for that | 19:02 |
| Nightrose | ;-) | 19:02 |
| Nightrose | i have no objection to changing it in kubuntu however | 19:02 |
| klerfayt | Nightrose: aren't we in kubuntu related chat channel? huh? or there is a policy that kubuntu has to follow kde as close as possible? | 19:05 |
| JontheEchidna | Nightrose is an amarok dev, so she is upstream ;) | 19:06 |
| Nightrose | well we try to | 19:06 |
| Nightrose | maintaining patches usually sucks ;-) | 19:06 |
| Nightrose | that too | 19:06 |
| Nightrose | well | 19:06 |
| Nightrose | dev... | 19:06 |
| Nightrose | :P | 19:06 |
| JontheEchidna | release gal? | 19:06 |
| Nightrose | right | 19:06 |
| Nightrose | and cat herder ;-) | 19:07 |
| txwikinger | well.. the alternative of maintaining patches is to get them integrated upstreams ;) | 19:07 |
| Nightrose | right | 19:07 |
| Nightrose | which i said will not happen | 19:07 |
| Nightrose | in this case | 19:07 |
| txwikinger | well.. the wrold is not perfect | 19:08 |
| txwikinger | and ... | 19:08 |
| Nightrose | ;-) | 19:08 |
| * txwikinger rarely reads back enough | 19:08 | |
| * txwikinger is not sane at the moment anyway | 19:09 | |
| * Nightrose gives txwikinger a cookie | 19:09 | |
| txwikinger | thanks :D | 19:09 |
| txwikinger | 4 weeks and far too much to do ! | 19:10 |
| Nightrose | 4 weeks until? | 19:10 |
| txwikinger | my big move | 19:11 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: ping | 19:11 |
| JontheEchidna | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=plasmoid-am4rok <- Need second revu, if anyone's available | 19:13 |
| ryanakca | Anybody mind reviewing my kde-style-qtcurve merge (REVU) before I upload the debdiff to LP? | 19:13 |
| JontheEchidna | I'm not an motu, but I guess I could look at it | 19:14 |
| JontheEchidna | txwikinger: download url in copyright is over 80 chars | 19:18 |
| txwikinger | JontheEchidna: ? | 19:19 |
| JontheEchidna | oops | 19:19 |
| JontheEchidna | ryanakca: ^^ | 19:19 |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: pong | 19:19 |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: i saw your screenshot. I'm interested to see what the pages below the buttons look like | 19:19 |
| Artemis_Fowl | the pages? | 19:20 |
| seele | you click on a button to get the options, correct? | 19:21 |
| Artemis_Fowl | yes | 19:21 |
| Artemis_Fowl | but | 19:21 |
| seele | i want to see how you get back to the page with all the buttons | 19:21 |
| seele | or if you have to click on the page again to get that menu | 19:22 |
| JontheEchidna | ryanakca: other than the long url in debian/copyright it looks fine to me | 19:22 |
| seele | or is it a popup dialog? | 19:22 |
| Artemis_Fowl | I have not modified any functionality. I just used the already existing functionality | 19:22 |
| Artemis_Fowl | it is a popup dialog | 19:22 |
| Artemis_Fowl | in all cases | 19:22 |
| Artemis_Fowl | but these dialogs | 19:22 |
| Artemis_Fowl | already existed | 19:22 |
| Artemis_Fowl | I just modev them form toolbar/menubar->main UI | 19:22 |
| Artemis_Fowl | moved* | 19:23 |
| Artemis_Fowl | from* | 19:23 |
| Artemis_Fowl | omg | 19:23 |
| seele | ok | 19:23 |
| seele | no, that seems like a good place to put them | 19:24 |
| seele | er, yes | 19:24 |
| * seele can't type today either | 19:24 | |
| |Artemis_Fowl| | seele: i was disconnected -.- did I miss anything? | 19:29 |
| seele | no | 19:29 |
| seele | i just said it looks good | 19:29 |
| |Artemis_Fowl| | ok then. tomorrow I will move on | 19:30 |
| seele | ok cool | 19:30 |
| Wubbbi | JontheEchidna: The isseu in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo "background:something like the KDE default (Blue Curls)" | 19:35 |
| Wubbbi | is done :) | 19:35 |
| Wubbbi | * issue | 19:36 |
| JontheEchidna | Hmm, I think I'll change that whole entry to something else since KDE resolved that themselves | 19:39 |
| Wubbbi | hmm ^^ yes | 19:40 |
| Wubbbi | what about: "Jockey:pyQt 4 to PyKDE 4"? | 19:41 |
| Wubbbi | you need help? | 19:41 |
| JontheEchidna | nah | 19:41 |
| JontheEchidna | It's basically almost done | 19:42 |
| Wubbbi | ok :) | 19:42 |
| JontheEchidna | Just need the Jockey maintainer to review my work | 19:42 |
| yuriy | Wubbbi: if you're looking for something to do, I think userconfig and mountconfig are still needed | 19:42 |
| Wubbbi | yuriy: In Kubuntu or Ubuntu? | 19:43 |
| yuriy | Kubuntu, it's on the ToDo page | 19:43 |
| Wubbbi | ohhh :) I see. But isn't it done? | 19:44 |
| Wubbbi | ohhh no xD | 19:44 |
| Wubbbi | well is someone doing that: | 19:46 |
| Wubbbi | logout | 19:47 |
| Wubbbi | 19:47 | |
| Wubbbi | remove choices from dialogue | 19:47 |
| Wubbbi | i would do this | 19:47 |
| === supert0nes is now known as supert0nes[A] | ||
| Wubbbi | JontheEchidna: bug found ... installing update: " dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-wallpapers_4%3a4.0.98-0ubuntu5_all.deb (--unpack):trying to over write`/usr/share/wallpapers/Blue_Curl/contents/images/1024x768.jpg',which is also in package kdebase-workspace-data | 20:20 |
| JontheEchidna | Hmm, Jonathan Riddell was actually the one who moved that wallpaper | 20:22 |
| JontheEchidna | not Jonathan Thomas ;) | 20:22 |
| Wubbbi | ohhh ... omg xD can I fix it or is it hard to fix? | 20:22 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, what is the output of apt-cache policy kdebase-workspace-bin? | 20:22 |
| JontheEchidna | what version is it at? | 20:23 |
| Wubbbi | thats the version 4.0.98-ubuntu5 | 20:23 |
| JontheEchidna | yep, then that's a bug | 20:23 |
| Wubbbi | can I fix it? or is it hard to fix? | 20:23 |
| JontheEchidna | It should be pretty easy | 20:24 |
| Wubbbi | everything just because of a Wallpaper xD | 20:24 |
| JontheEchidna | It's easy to work around | 20:24 |
| Wubbbi | yeahhh :D | 20:24 |
| JontheEchidna | sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-wallpapers_4%3a4.0.98-0ubuntu5_all.deb | 20:24 |
| JontheEchidna | but that just works around the bug | 20:25 |
| Wubbbi | aha great it works :D | 20:25 |
| JontheEchidna | -0ubuntu5 was the version you just did, right? | 20:25 |
| Wubbbi | yes :) but i have changed nothing on wallpaper or so on | 20:26 |
| JontheEchidna | I mean -0ubuntu5 was the package that fixed the ksysguard bug | 20:26 |
| JontheEchidna | right? | 20:26 |
| Wubbbi | yes | 20:26 |
| JontheEchidna | ok, then you should still have the source and stuff | 20:26 |
| Wubbbi | yes | 20:27 |
| Wubbbi | :D | 20:27 |
| JontheEchidna | kdebase-workspace is the source package, but it is also split up into several binary packages | 20:27 |
| Wubbbi | should I fix the bug? Now i know how to upload and so on :) | 20:27 |
| JontheEchidna | I can teach you how to fix this one | 20:28 |
| JontheEchidna | one of these binary packages is called kdebase-workspace-wallpapers | 20:28 |
| JontheEchidna | and another is called kdebase-workspace-bin | 20:28 |
| JontheEchidna | both of these binary packages have a list of files that belong to them | 20:28 |
| JontheEchidna | if a file is in two or more packages, you get the error you just got now | 20:29 |
| Wubbbi | ok | 20:29 |
| Wubbbi | so what i shal do now? | 20:29 |
| JontheEchidna | These lists are .install files, so you'll want to find kdebase-workspace-bin.install | 20:29 |
| JontheEchidna | in the debian dir | 20:30 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, you'll also want to file a bug report of course ;) | 20:30 |
| Wubbbi | ok I report ... wait | 20:30 |
| Wubbbi | i love to fix bugs :D | 20:31 |
| JontheEchidna | it gets harder, trust me | 20:31 |
| JontheEchidna | especially when the bugs aren't with the packaging | 20:31 |
| JontheEchidna | and with the actual program | 20:32 |
| JontheEchidna | then you have to know how to program and stuff | 20:32 |
| Wubbbi | Well after the Summerholydays I'm going to a Informaik school. I will lern it there. I have a Linux lesson xD | 20:33 |
| Wubbbi | bug is reported. :) | 20:35 |
| Wubbbi | bug 249948 | 20:36 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 249948 in kdebase-workspace "kdebase-workspace-wallpapers 4:4.0.98-0ubuntu5 failt to install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/249948 | 20:36 |
| Wubbbi | ok what sould i do now with the bug? | 20:36 |
| Wubbbi | to fix it | 20:36 |
| JontheEchidna | ok, open up debian/kdebase-workspace-wallpapers.install | 20:37 |
| Wubbbi | done | 20:37 |
| JontheEchidna | this is a list of all the files belonging to this binary package | 20:37 |
| JontheEchidna | find blue curl and baleet | 20:37 |
| JontheEchidna | baleet = delete | 20:37 |
| Wubbbi | I cant find any baleet | 20:38 |
| JontheEchidna | I mean, find the blue curls wallpaper and delete that line | 20:39 |
| JontheEchidna | or any lines with blue-curls | 20:39 |
| JontheEchidna | or whatever | 20:39 |
| Wubbbi | all of them? | 20:39 |
| JontheEchidna | yes | 20:39 |
| Wubbbi | ok ... including .desktop? | 20:39 |
| JontheEchidna | yes | 20:40 |
| Wubbbi | done | 20:40 |
| Wubbbi | save and upload? | 20:40 |
| JontheEchidna | just a second, launchpad is being slow and I want to check something | 20:40 |
| JontheEchidna | not just yet | 20:40 |
| Wubbbi | ok | 20:40 |
| JontheEchidna | actually, could you tell me what riddel did in version 4.0.98-0ubuntu4? | 20:41 |
| Wubbbi | At this time launchpad is allways slow xD | 20:41 |
| Wubbbi | k wait | 20:42 |
| Wubbbi | * New upstream default wallpaper Blue_Curl, move from -wallpapers to -data | 20:42 |
| Wubbbi | * Add kubuntu_09_kickoff_favourites.diff, add kontact, amarok, kopete to menu favourites | 20:42 |
| Wubbbi | that was the 2 changes | 20:42 |
| JontheEchidna | ok, now we want to make sure that blue_curl actually got moved to -data | 20:43 |
| JontheEchidna | so open up the .install file for -data | 20:43 |
| JontheEchidna | and make sure all the blue curl stuff you deleted is actually in that package | 20:43 |
| Wubbbi | done | 20:44 |
| JontheEchidna | was it all in there? | 20:44 |
| JontheEchidna | or did you have to add it? | 20:44 |
| Wubbbi | everything is there | 20:44 |
| JontheEchidna | ok, good | 20:44 |
| JontheEchidna | make a changelog entry | 20:44 |
| Wubbbi | save and changelog? ok | 20:45 |
| JontheEchidna | then build the source package | 20:45 |
| JontheEchidna | make a debdiff | 20:45 |
| JontheEchidna | upload debdiff to bug report | 20:45 |
| JontheEchidna | subscribe to ~ubuntu-main-sponsors | 20:45 |
| Wubbbi | how should the changelog call? | 20:46 |
| JontheEchidna | uh, "Removed Blue_curl from -wallpapers .install file (LP: #bugnumber)" | 20:46 |
| JontheEchidna | or something like that | 20:46 |
| Wubbbi | ok | 20:46 |
| Wubbbi | ok changelog is finish. now making a gpg? good :D | 20:48 |
| Wubbbi | how to restart gpg? | 20:52 |
| * jtechidna is back | 20:52 | |
| Wubbbi | found | 20:53 |
| Wubbbi | ok gpg is created | 20:54 |
| Wubbbi | nowww ... build :) | 20:54 |
| Wubbbi | how to do that again? | 20:55 |
| jtechidna | debuild -S -sa -us -uc | 20:55 |
| Wubbbi | oh ok | 20:55 |
| Wubbbi | thx | 20:55 |
| Wubbbi | ok builded ... now? xD | 20:56 |
| jtechidna | debdiff the -0ubuntu5 and -0ubunt6 dscs | 20:56 |
| Wubbbi | ok | 20:56 |
| jtechidna | into a file | 20:56 |
| Wubbbi | ok done | 20:59 |
| Wubbbi | now upload? | 20:59 |
| jtechidna | yes, upload the debdiff | 20:59 |
| Wubbbi | and the .dsc | 20:59 |
| Wubbbi | done ... is that ok so? | 21:02 |
| * jtechidna checks | 21:02 | |
| jtechidna | Wubbbi: looks good | 21:03 |
| coreymon77 | hi everybody! | 21:03 |
| jtechidna | subscribe ~ubuntu-main-sponsosrs to the bug | 21:03 |
| jtechidna | Hi | 21:03 |
| Wubbbi | jtechidna: uhhh ... did i add the .dsc as a patch? oO | 21:03 |
| jtechidna | Wubbbi: doesn't matter. I don't think you need to upload that anyway | 21:04 |
| Wubbbi | well ... i think i do that ^^ | 21:04 |
| Wubbbi | ok now its done xD | 21:05 |
| Wubbbi | i hope | 21:05 |
| Wubbbi | ^^ | 21:05 |
| * jtechidna wonders how you installed -0ubuntu4 if it still had that bug... | 21:05 | |
| === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna | ||
| Wubbbi | me2 :( strange | 21:05 |
| Wubbbi | when will this be uploaded? | 21:06 |
| JontheEchidna | When somebody who can upload to the main repo uploads it | 21:07 |
| JontheEchidna | which will probably be Riddell whenever he gets back | 21:07 |
| Wubbbi | Is Riddell from Canonical? | 21:08 |
| JontheEchidna | He is employed by them, yes | 21:08 |
| Wubbbi | uhhh good to know :D | 21:09 |
| harolddong | I keep getting a plasma crash on logout if I change anything on the panel. when I log back in the panel messed up. it doesnt show any icons except for the kmenu button in the wrong place. everythiing else that should be running like systray and kmix etc. apparently is its just not in the panel | 21:56 |
| harolddong | how do I reset just the panel? | 21:56 |
| JontheEchidna | right click on the panel and remove it | 21:57 |
| JontheEchidna | Then right click on the desktop and add one | 21:58 |
| toma | or remove all the settings via rm .kde4/share/config/plasmarc ? | 21:58 |
| JontheEchidna | that would remove all desktop settings, not just the panel | 21:58 |
| harolddong | thanks | 21:59 |
| harolddong | is anybody else having the error I described? | 21:59 |
| * JontheEchidna has to kill x to log out since his computer hard locks on log out | 21:59 | |
| JontheEchidna | so I can't have that error :P | 21:59 |
| harolddong | the new version of the rc is the smoothest kde 4 yet but as soon as I log out it tweaks the panel | 22:00 |
| harolddong | frustrating | 22:00 |
| JontheEchidna | try running kquitapp plasma && plasma from the konsole | 22:00 |
| JontheEchidna | that should save the current settings | 22:01 |
| harolddong | how do I ove the panel from the top to the bottom again? | 22:02 |
| harolddong | *move | 22:03 |
| JontheEchidna | open the panel config by clicking on the plasma button | 22:04 |
| JontheEchidna | drag the thing that pops up down to the bottom | 22:04 |
| ScottK | Riddell is right. For $WORK, good MS Office compatibility is essential in an office suite. | 22:55 |
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