[00:04] blah, only 60% built [00:04] at least cmake gives you percentages [00:04] * apachelogger intruded #kubuntu-de [00:04] muahahaha [00:05] JontheEchidna: what's that? [00:06] Riddell: backporting kdewebdev-kde4 to the ppa [00:06] ah, good good [00:06] testbuilding on my lame pc [00:06] Riddell: btw, I did get koffice done [00:06] * apachelogger waves to Riddell [00:07] It should be subscripted to ubuntu-main-sponsors [00:08] *unvierse sponsors [00:08] or we could just upload it ;-) [00:08] bug 249533 [00:08] Launchpad bug 249533 in koffice2 "New upstream release of koffice2 (1.9.95.9)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/249533 [00:13] * apachelogger pokes vorian [00:13] * apachelogger suspects he got lost [00:14] hm, it feels like I didn't upload to revu in years [00:15] * JontheEchidna wonders why his plasmoid-weather package never hit the ppa... [00:16] Riddell: i18n ready for upload ... example package: /var/cache/pbuilder/result/kde-i18n-de_3.5.9-0ubuntu1_all.deb: [00:16] new debian package, version 2.0. [00:16] size 1161614 bytes: control archive= 3420 bytes. [00:16] 583 bytes, 15 lines control [00:16] 8447 bytes, 96 lines md5sums [00:16] Package: kde-i18n-de [00:16] Version: 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu2 [00:16] Architecture: all [00:16] Maintainer: Jonathan Riddell [00:16] Installed-Size: 2520 [00:16] Depends: language-pack-kde-de, kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.2) [00:16] Suggests: kde [00:16] Conflicts: juk (<< 4:3.2.1-1), kcachegrind (<< 4:3.2.1-1), kdebase-i18n, koffice (<< 1.3.0-2) [00:16] Replaces: kde-i18n, kdebase-i18n, koffice-i18n-de (<< 1.6.1-1ubuntu2) [00:16] Provides: kde-i18n [00:16] Section: kde [00:16] Priority: optional [00:16] Description: German (de) internationalized (i18n) files for KDE [00:18] lewl [00:18] * JontheEchidna waits to pastebin apachelogger [00:20] * JontheEchidna decides to be nice [00:22] apachelogger: great, go ahead and upload [00:22] that was quite... weird [00:23] noooooooo! [00:23] cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/lib/kde4/share/applications/kde4/kfilereplace.desktop': No such file or directory [00:23] * JontheEchidna cries [00:23] now I have to rebuild [00:23] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/28140/ [00:23] remove the lib/kde4/ [00:23] JontheEchidna: debuild -nc is your friend [00:23] Riddell: for a hardy backport? [00:24] k [00:24] apachelogger: looks good [00:24] apachelogger: maybe change the description [00:24] change "KDE" to "kdevelop and quanta"? [00:25] no -nc with pbuilder ;-) [00:25] apachelogger: I'm using debuild [00:25] JontheEchidna: .desktop files were in /usr/share so other desktops can find them [00:25] aah [00:25] * Riddell sleeps [00:25] nn [00:25] well kdevelop and kdewebdev [00:25] but yeah, good idea [00:26] JontheEchidna: then you are lucky [00:26] Riddell: good night === taupter_ is now known as taupter [00:30] what does debuild -nc do, btw? [00:30] no clean [00:30] cool [00:33] vorian: in case you have time http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=amarok-kde4 [00:34] * Nightrose hugs apachelogger and snoozes [00:34] nini Nightrose [00:34] crap, I debuild -S -sa'd.... [00:34] * JontheEchidna slaps self [00:35] :| [00:35] Oh well, only 40 mins build time [00:36] * JontheEchidna is trying to ease the pain [00:38] Do kde4 services .desktop files need the lib/kde4 part removed too? [00:39] apachelogger: I do now [00:40] JontheEchidna: checking now :) [00:40] vorian: checking what? [00:40] koffice? [00:40] aah [00:40] thanks [00:41] btw, plasmoid-weather never hit the kde4 ppa [00:41] it's ftb in my ppa [00:41] vorian: does your ppa have the build-deps from the kde4 ppa? [00:41] yes [00:41] weird... [00:41] ja [00:42] oh [00:42] don't assign the u-u-s, subscribe them [00:43] ok [00:43] JontheEchidna: do you have the tar hanging arround? [00:44] tar of koffice? [00:44] yes [00:44] * JontheEchidna linked to the kde ftp with the tar [00:44] oh, but the md5 sums will get mad [00:45] vorian: where do you want me to upload it to? [00:46] thanks [00:46] np [00:47] apachelogger: when I made my own kwebdev tar.orig.gz and then subsituted the one from your magic directory, it gave me an md5 sum error [00:47] any idea why it would do that? [00:49] JontheEchidna: koffice2 is already in the archives at the version you presented [00:50] vorian: what version is that? [00:50] koffice2 1:1.9.96.0~that.is.really.1.9.95.8-1ubuntu2 [00:50] vorian: see the next comment [00:50] ah, i see [00:51] yeah, sorry 'bout that one [00:51] no problemo [00:51] launchpad allows removal of attatchments [00:51] i find that handy sometimes [00:51] JontheEchidna: because the md5sums are different ;-) [00:52] lol [00:52] apachelogger: any insight on this: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16142924/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.plasmoid-weather_0.4-0ubuntu1~ppa5_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ? [00:52] JontheEchidna: do you know about uupdate? [00:53] vorian: that's what you use with watch files, right? [00:53] you can use it with watch files [00:53] * JontheEchidna has never used it [00:53] excellent [00:53] lol [00:53] ? [00:53] JontheEchidna: it's quite handy [00:54] JontheEchidna: wrong cdbs directory [00:54] doh :x not again [00:54] -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX="/usr/lib/kde4 [00:54] not very intrepidish [00:54] apachelogger: it's for the kde4 ppa [00:54] a backport [00:54] ah [00:54] then it's strange [00:54] builds fine on my machine [00:55] oh well [00:55] JontheEchidna: kdelibs5-dev is missing [00:55] apachelogger: doesn't that get pulled in by libplasma-dev? [00:55] apparently not [00:55] * JontheEchidna wonders if it actually built in Intrepid [00:55] JontheEchidna: best thing is to throw the package into pbuilder to be sure all deps are fullfilled [00:55] and why it built in pbuilder [00:56] very strange indeed [00:56] anyway [00:56] * apachelogger is starting the kde-i18n uploads and going to bed [00:56] nini [00:57] nini [00:57] say you don't call me a ninni [00:57] -say [01:16] JontheEchidna: yo, can you provide a debdiff please :) [01:16] vorian: sure [01:16] ta [01:18] heh, takes a bit [01:20] yeah [01:20] took forever to get it [01:22] it'll take a bit to upload, I'll let you know when it's done [01:22] JontheEchidna: just diff the debian directory [01:22] erm [01:22] nevermind [01:22] 5.2 mb [01:23] eek [01:23] my upload is twice the speed of dialup [01:23] 1.5 mbit down [01:23] ~118 kb [01:24] but verizon has a monopoly on all the non-sucky dsl [01:24] so it's expensive [01:24] so we had to go with our cable company [01:26] oh, the reason we couldn't go with verizon is because they don't run dsl out to where we live [01:27] vorian: done [01:27] thaks [01:31] ooh, my calculations were wrong [01:31] it's more like 10 times the speed of dialup [01:31] but that's still sorta slow [01:31] 30 kb/sec [01:37] JontheEchidna: did you notice it was a ftbts? [01:37] * JontheEchidna forgot to pbuilder it [01:37] no, right now [01:37] in ubuntu [01:38] oh yeah, I saw that [01:38] I probably should have tried to fix it [01:39] there's also another easy bug we can knock out, koffice-kde4-dbg [01:40] cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/share/kde4/apps/kritaplugins/panorama.rc': No such file or directory [01:40] that's the failure [01:40] hmm [01:40] I wonder if that's still built [01:41] vorian: what's the bug with the -dbg? [01:41] bug 248829 [01:41] Launchpad bug 248829 in koffice2 "Please provide dbg package" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/248829 [01:43] vorian: is there any (easier than compiling) way to find out if panorama.rc is still built? [01:44] kitra provides panorama.rc [01:45] krita, rather [01:50] * JontheEchidna can't find panorama.rc in his 1.9.96.0~that.is.really.1.9.95.3-1ubuntu3 install [01:51] * JontheEchidna fears he'll have to build from source to find where the file should be installed [01:53] * JontheEchidna wonders if it's possible just to build krita [01:53] because I think building koffice would take me a day or so [01:53] na [01:54] * JontheEchidna debuilds, then [01:54] wait, I'll have to pbuild [01:55] install( FILES panorama.rc DESTINATION ${DATA_INSTALL_DIR}/kritaplugins) [01:56] where is data install dir defined? [01:57] should be usr/share/kde4/apps/kitraplugins/* [01:57] * JontheEchidna wonders why it ftbfs [01:59] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15971937/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.koffice2_1%3A1.9.96.0~that.is.really.1.9.95.8-1ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [02:00] how can a ubuntu book cover both 8.04 and 8.10 which i can purchase from amazon right now? [02:01] woah! [02:01] time travel [02:02] totally [02:02] the book auto updates itself [02:02] * JontheEchidna investigages how to make a -dbg binary package [02:03] JontheEchidna: see ktorrent-3.1rc1+dsfg [02:04] thx [02:05] hmm, I guess there's not a *.install file... [02:06] vorian: I just need a control binary package entry that depends on kdelibs5-dbg? [02:06] see control [02:06] or is there some vodo I'm not familiar with? [02:09] vorian: Depends: koffice2 (= ${binary:Version}) or would it be the binary name koffice-kde4? [02:09] koffice-kde4 [02:10] vorian: -dbg-kde4 or -kde4-dbg? [02:11] * JontheEchidna would pick the latter [02:12] JontheEchidna: you would be correct then :) [02:13] I remember seeing some in the Hardy ppa that were the opposite way so I wanted to make sure [02:14] Ok, I guess I'll make another debdiff now [02:14] did it build? [02:14] oh, right. I still need to do that [02:14] * JontheEchidna fires up teh pbuilder [02:16] vorian: where.96.9-0ubuntu1 says it installs matches where 95.8-0ubuntu2 says it's not found [02:18] huh? [02:19] :P [02:19] install( FILES panorama.rc DESTINATION ${DATA_INSTALL_DIR}/kritaplugins) [02:20] that would beusr/share/kde4/apps/kritaplugins/, right? [02:20] yes [02:20] that's exactly the location that ftbfs in the last version [02:20] *that caused it to ftbfs [02:20] (it's in the kirtra-kde4-data.install file) [02:22] so then the correct course of action would be not to install that? [02:22] * JontheEchidna is confused [02:25] it's the patch /me thinks [02:26] nope [02:26] hmm [02:52] * JontheEchidna had to take a phone call [02:52] W: /home/jonathan/.pbuilderrc does not exist <- is that bad? [02:52] no [02:52] no [02:53] ok, because when I tried to update pbuilder just now it said it was updating it for hardy :/ [02:53] hiya Hobbsee [02:53] and the pbuilder I had was for Intrepid [02:54] JontheEchidna: each user can have a ~/.pbuilderrc to override the system-wide /etc/pbuilderrc settings. This simply warns you that it didn't find such an override for your user. It's only something to note if you were expecting to have such a settings file, otherwise it's normal/harmless [02:54] Thanks. :) [02:54] in fact I wish more commands would do this, as sometimes I'd misname a dotfile and cause myself hours of debugging headaches :) [02:58] vorian: got to go for the night in a bit [03:00] JontheEchidna: have fun [03:01] I'll set it to pbuild overnight to see if it still ftbfs's [03:01] did you learn anything new? [03:01] I learned how to make -dbg packages [03:02] and that ftbfs's suck [03:02] :P [03:02] sorry, I'm lagging pretty bad [03:07] THis looks very cool: http://code.google.com/soc/2008/kde/appinfo.html?csaid=9433F3446323A693 [03:07] Would even help for tutorial days and the likes [03:07] hey vorian [03:08] * vorian looks [03:09] People could view what the tutorial speaker is doing in real-time [03:10] people could see what other people are doing [03:11] JontheEchidna: sounds a lot like 'gobby' :) [03:11] * JontheEchidna didn't know such a tool existed [03:12] but gobby must suck because it has a g not a k :P [03:12] haha [03:16] * JontheEchidna is afk for the night [03:16] nn [05:40] hello :) ... Bug found in Intrepid KNetworkmanager 3.5.9. ... " Error requesting name, org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Connection ":1.75" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" dueto security policies in the configuration file " ... after starting KNetworkmanager ... what does this mean? I cant get any connection now. Just the normal LAN connection. Im connected on a LAN but he dont show me ... [05:40] and he dont show me any wirless connection. Very strange [07:06] hmmm ... problem with the KNetworkmanager fixed :D [07:23] * Daskreech thumbs up [08:25] Maybe a Intrepid bug: I Have installed kde-l10n-de and change the global language ( in System Settings ) to German. But everything is still english ... also non kde things. Just Kde 3.5.9 things are german. Strange xD [08:26] restart wont help [08:26] *changed === katswaio is now known as dorins === rraphink is now known as raphink [09:47] Riddell: kde-il8n-* doesnt have one source package? they look like they are separate sources for each -* [09:47] that's right [09:48] I long ago decided that 250MB source packages were a bad thing (as did upstream) [09:48] ah yes i agree [10:03] Maybe a Intrepid bug: I Have installed kde-l10n-de and changed the global language ( in System Settings ) to German. But everything is still english ... also non kde things. Just Kde 3.5.9 things are german. Strange xD. And a Restart wont help :( [10:10] hi there [10:12] hello Tonio_ :) [10:13] hum is kar broken for you ? [10:13] I can't seem to be able to open any compressed file [10:13] they are not even visible within the open dialog box [10:14] kar? whats kar? xD [10:23] Tonio_: fyi: Mark uploaded digikam 0.10 20 minutes ago to incoming (destination is experimental) [10:23] 0.9.4 was uploaded yesterday to unstable AFAIR [10:24] allee: super :) [10:25] allee: maybe we should upload in our archives.... Riddell ? [10:25] allee: I would probably go with 0.10 [10:27] Tonio_: No idea, have not tried 0.10. But at least for hardy 0.10 goes to /usr/lib so the not need to: [10:27] - installing kde4 will remove digikam because of dependencies on [10:27] libkipi0 and kipi-plugins (Closes: #489349) [10:27] right [10:27] allee: btw I wasn't thinking about hardy, only intrepid [10:27] bug 489349 [10:28] Is digikam fronted to QT4 and/or Kde4? [10:28] Wubbbi: KDE4 [10:29] but still QT3? [10:29] Wubbbi: KDE4 implies QT4! [10:29] ^^ great :D [10:31] Tonio_: IMHO final decision which for intrepid should be postponed as long as possible. Pictures are very valuable data. So digikam 0.10 should only included if it's rock solid in time (I guess it will be, but it's only a guess ;) [10:32] allee: I don't care [10:33] allee: intrepid will be a proof of concept more than a all day usable desktop [10:33] allee: I consider intrepid+1 the next REAL kubuntu release [10:33] allee: based on a 12 month dev cycle, with a poc release in between.... but that's my opinion only [10:34] Tonio_: as long as everyone will know it: think about all the KDE 4.0.0 plasma. Intention was the same as your. But users had other expectations :( [10:37] allee: that's why we have to communicate a lot when the release comes out [10:39] Tonio_: if intrepid will be a 'developer' release we should start communicatin this in bold letters included in alpha, beta,rc announcements already [10:40] allee: that's my personal opinion, we have to see how far we can go during the dev cycle in fact.... [10:40] Riddell wouldn't share my point of view I guess, but he knows what my feeling is === hunger_t_ is now known as hunger [10:44] * hunger is surprised that intrepid actually works pretty decently. === allee_ is now known as allee [12:14] Tonio_: ping [12:15] huh [12:15] apachelogger: yep ? [12:15] * apachelogger uploaded 70 packages tonight :D [12:15] wow....... [12:15] Tonio_: do you have time to give amarok-kde4 a quick revu? [12:16] sure [12:16] apachelogger: url ? [12:16] Tonio_: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=amarok-kde4 [12:16] Would someone please enable the sesame2 backend for nepomuk? Trueg says that is way better than the redland one (using less storage space and faster, too). [12:17] hunger: where is nepomuk nowadays? [12:17] apachelogger: lacks a "z" at the end of the rules file :) [12:18] ha :D [12:18] apachelogger: do we want to keep both kde3 and kde4 versions ? [12:19] Tonio_: yes [12:19] apachelogger: I'd agree to replace kde3.... [12:19] apachelogger: hum okay [12:19] upstream is planing to get 2.0.0 before intrepid [12:19] apachelogger: good reason to replace it then :) [12:19] but I saw the schedule, and it is a pretty dangerous one so I wouldn't want to rely on it [12:19] apachelogger: bah, releasing with an unstable amarok wouldn't be a big problem for me.... [12:20] apachelogger: I'd like to get Riddell's opinion on that point [12:20] hmm? [12:20] Riddell: do we want to wait for kde4 apps to be stable to replace kde3 ones ? [12:20] hunger: is that the one that uses java? [12:20] Riddell: or do we go with unstable ones and let it go ? [12:20] Tonio_: stable enough that upstream is happy for us to release with them [12:21] Riddell: I think so. [12:21] Riddell: okay [12:21] hunger: no, we can't use java, it's not in main and our CDs are oversized enough [12:21] Riddell: Trueg says it does build with the gcj intrepid ships. [12:21] apachelogger: "preview version..." in the description ? I'm not that a fan of it [12:21] OK:-( [12:22] apachelogger: s/amaork/amarok/ typo in the debian/changelog [12:22] hmm, didn't think of gcj [12:22] * apachelogger pokes Nightrose [12:23] * Nightrose pokes apachelogger [12:23] Riddell: It still needs icedtea from what I understand, so the space argument might still hold. [12:23] apachelogger: appart from that, looks all good to me... [12:23] Nightrose: do you guys want me to note it is a preview version still? [12:23] Tonio_: ok, thank you :) [12:24] apachelogger: until beta 1 yes [12:24] please [12:24] change it with beta 1 [12:24] meh, so much to thik off :P [12:24] Nightrose: when is the next release schedule for taggiing? [12:24] apachelogger: should I test the build ? :) [12:24] send me a note and i will remind you apachelogger [12:25] apachelogger: monday [12:25] apachelogger: you won't take the risk to upload an ftbfs one right :) [12:25] Tonio_: I think I testbuilt it like 4 times without any changes because I always forgot whether I testbuilt it already ;-) [12:26] Nightrose: sweet [12:26] :) [12:26] apachelogger: right :) [12:26] apachelogger: greetings from sven [12:26] Nightrose: greetings to sven [12:28] Nightrose: do you people have a proper backtrace fetcher yet? [12:29] nope [12:29] What Kde 4.1 version will be in intrepid? 4.1.3? [12:29] Nightrose: that is kinda important [12:30] most people don't run amarok from a terminal [12:30] apachelogger: will try to poke someone about that again later [12:30] true [12:30] Wubbbi: something like that [12:30] apachelogger: "you people"? [12:31] Riddell: amarok [12:31] apachelogger: that doesn't include you any more? [12:32] nope, I left [12:32] which reminds me again that I should blog ... there is busy [12:32] * apachelogger is wondering what the last part is supposed to mean [12:32] * apachelogger grabs a coffee [12:33] * Nightrose gets back to hacking [12:34] bug 212575 what about fixing that? Possible? [12:34] Launchpad bug 212575 in gtk-qt-engine-kde4 "When cursor hits right edge of line edit, right edge disappears" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212575 [12:34] @ Riddell [12:34] gtk-qt-engine is horribly broken [12:34] Or is that a GTK ( Ubuntu ) bug? [12:35] we should fix that very soon, because firefox look awful on kde 4 [12:36] that is a general issue [12:36] firefox looks awful [12:36] no matter what [12:36] is it hard to fix? or just a little code mistake? [12:38] Wubbbi: I've not really looked at gtk-qt-engine-kde4 at all, it's typically full of small problems that are hard to fix (at least the kde3 version was) [12:38] if it's unusable we can just remove it easily enough [12:39] Riddell: currently it doesn't even build .. Tonio_ is looking into that next week [12:39] Riddell: dont we have a Vanilla code of it? so that we can completly reset it? [12:40] reset? there's nothing set [12:41] ohh ... not build yet? [12:41] In my experience gtk-qt-engine has most of it's problems with Firefox 3 [12:41] Though it's quite perfect with other gtk apps === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [12:43] Is Firefox completly designed with gtk2? [12:43] It's an XUL app emulating a GTK theme [12:43] XUL uses gtk [12:44] ok :) [12:46] An Other Question: Why dont we use Koffice as the default Office Environment in Kubuntu? It use KDE Libs and QT ... that makes it much faster. And it will look better :) [12:46] a) [12:46] KOffice 2 is in alpha [12:46] Qt [12:46] QT is Quick Time [12:46] b) [12:47] it doesn't yet messure up to OpenOffice [12:47] especially conercning reliability [12:47] in other words, currently it sucks? [12:48] nope [12:48] * JontheEchidna would just stick to saying it's alpha quality [12:48] it's just not where it should be [12:48] koffice 1 did suck in important ways [12:48] we'll look at the question again when koffice 2 is stable [12:48] * apachelogger isn't using offiline offices anyway [12:49] I would really like to change to koffice 2, I think it'll be doable, but not for intrepid [12:49] All I need offices for is for typing up essays and junk for school. [12:49] +1 [12:49] k ... [12:49] * apachelogger would love to see koffice used in kubuntu [12:49] it would also save us a lot of space on the CD [12:49] * JontheEchidna too [12:49] * jussi01 also [12:49] I Dont like OpenOffice ... Its so slow and ugly :/ [12:50] but ... its realy usefull :) [12:50] people like ScottK are attached to their office suites though :) [12:51] * jussi01 hugs ScottK... there there :D [12:51] it's not like you can't uninstall koffice and install openoffice :-P [12:53] Well ... i dont know if you have read my problem. Here is it again. I Have installed the new kde-l10n-de package but ... when I set the Global Language to german, its still english and nothing changed ... Just kde 3.5.9 programms are german :/ [12:54] Wubbbi: global language? [12:55] apachelogger: yes. In Systemsettings. [12:55] ( Global KDE 4.1 language ) on my pc [12:55] ah [12:55] hm [12:55] that is no good [12:55] I think this too xD [12:56] you need any informations to fix that? [12:56] *installing* [12:56] ^^ [12:58] seems to be very broken [12:58]