[00:04] <LSD|Ninja> I just noticed there a new version of the 96.xx.xx nVidia drivers. How long befopre they make it into the repos?
[00:04] <Light-> eh, 96.xx.xx is the really old version isnt it? I thought we were up to 176.xx.xx or something
[00:05] <Light-> ohwait, I guess the 96.xx.xx drivers are for the really old cards
[00:06] <Light-> dont mind me :P
[00:06] <LSD|Ninja> Yeah, my Ubuntu machine has a GF2MX400 :P
[01:59] <elik> Hi, I am a Debian Lenny user and recently switched over to Ubuntu (Kubuntu actually) Hardy Heron. I am a little disappointed to see that the version of some programs I used is more outdated that on Debian, and I am considering upgrading to Ubuntu I... I... How stable is it compared to Lenny?
[02:00] <Light-> Try it and see, stability usually varies from user to user because people use their systems differently
[02:01] <Light-> run it in vbox for a while if you want to keep debian around incase you discover its more stable
[02:01] <LSD|Ninja> Normal releases are reasonably stable, Intrepid is very much alpha software at present so lots of things are very, very broken
[02:02] <elik> Hum
[02:03] <elik> I'll give it a try, my system is brand new
[02:04] <elik> if it breaks, it won't be too much of a pain to just reinstall it
[02:04] <elik> They always told me I was a risk taker :P
[02:04] <elik> Is it as simple as changing the sources, updating and dist-upgrading?
[02:05] <LSD|Ninja> elik: update-manager -d will do it all for you
[02:05] <LSD|Ninja> Probably better to set aside a machine or partition seperate to your main install and use a CD to install though
[02:06] <elik> why is that?
[02:06] <elik> direct update like that is not so reliable?
[02:07] <elik> considering I just installed the system today, is that worth the hassle?
[02:07] <elik> as long as my other partitions are untouched, I'm fine with reinstalling hardy
[02:09] <elik> hum, update-manager sound like a bad idea, considering I'm on KDE
[02:09] <LSD|Ninja> there's probably somethign similar for KDE, I'm not familiar enough with kubuntu to know what it is though
[02:10] <elik> yeah, adept installer, but I don't see anywhere where I can change the version
[02:10] <elik> anyway, I'll look it up, thx
[02:13] <LSD|Ninja> you might be able to download the Alpha CD and ue that as an upgrade source
[02:18] <elik> a small 624Mb to fetch, heh
[03:12] <elik> lol
[03:12] <elik> was not a good idea
[03:12] <elik> :D
[03:21] <LSD|Ninja> elik: ?
[03:21] <elik> well, it messed with the graphic card a bit
[03:21] <elik> and nothing would display anymore
[03:22] <elik> kernel XX.26 would just show some pink squares
[03:22] <elik> and xx.24 didn't work any better :P
[03:22] <elik> so I think we'll forget that
[03:22] <LSD|Ninja> yeah, usplash has a bunch of issues atm
[03:22] <elik> I see
[03:23] <elik> well, that's not as stable as I thought, but I guess now I know the true meaning of Alpha stage :P
[03:25] <LSD|Ninja> we did warn you :P
[03:25] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:26] <elik> lol, you sure did
[03:26] <elik> It was funny anyway
[03:27] <LSD|Ninja> I think the purpose of these first few Alphas is to get the stuff merged in from Debian working happily and then they'll start fine tuning the new stuff
[03:29] <elik> yeah, I assume it gets more and more stable as you close in to the release date
[03:29] <elik> When did Hardy Heron release?
[03:29] <Hobbsee> 8.04 == april 2008
[03:30] <LSD|Ninja> 8.10 is due for release in october so there's still a fair way to go yet
[03:31] <elik> indeed
[03:34] <elik> anyhow, thanks for your support
[03:35] <elik> and keep up the good work on Intrepid Ibex
[04:07] <sparky01> does anyone know if Sound Juicer is going to be the default ripper in Ubuntu going forward?
[04:08] <sparky01> ???
[04:11] <sparky01> well don't all answer at once!
[04:11] <sparky01> lol
[04:26] <crd1b> fail
[04:40] <khermans> anyone have Flash sound working?
[04:40] <khermans> or is it b0rked?
[04:41] <khermans> i fixed the Xorg issues temporarily by -> $ sudo aptitude remove xserver-xorg gdm && sudo sed -i "s/intrepid/hardy/g" /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install xserver-xorg gdm
[04:42] <khermans> however, my flashplugin-nonfree version 10 gets no sound in firefox
[04:42] <khermans> yay for closed sources!
[05:39] <gluer> hi, does alpha 2 address nvidia support?
[06:39] <SwedeMike> any idea if 8.10 will support centrino 2 well? (thinking of for instance the lenovo X200)
[08:18] <LSD|Ninja> SwedeMike: No reason to assume it won't
[08:18] <SwedeMike> it's brand new, it was out after 2.6.26 was frozen, that's why I'm wondering
[08:19] <SwedeMike> but hopefully intel has participated in kernel development and put support for the devices ahead of time
[08:19] <LSD|Ninja> There doesn't look as though there's that much new to support
[08:26] <SwedeMike> let's hope so
[10:34] <joaopinto> Hello, for testing purposes should I use the alpha 2 cd or a daily cd image ?
[11:06] <LSD|Ninja> They make daily CD images? *headdesks*
[11:14] <joaopinto> yes, they do
[11:17] <knurra> rsync -vz rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/intrepid-alternate-i386.iso .
[11:17] <catweazle> LSD|Ninja: look here http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/
[12:55] <sven-tek> Filing a bug, and nobody seems to care about it, is frustrating... (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/246952)
[13:19] <alex_mayorga> !java
[13:57] <linkinxp> hello i need information in how to see the log of grub?? cause when its loading i see an error but i goes to fast.....
[14:28] <Vegar> is it possible to install the 2.6.26 kernel from intrepid on hardy?
[16:26] <avik42> hiya, I just installed Kubuntu Intrepid Alpha 2 .. I can sudo just fine but when I try to use Hardware Driver Manager it says I need to give root password.. what is the root password?  I didn't have a dialog to set it at install time and it's not the same as my sudo password .. thanks
[16:27] <JontheEchidna> It should ask you for your sudo password...
[16:28] <avik42> that's what I thought .. but when I type in my sudo password .. it says wrong password .. but if I do sudo in terminal it takes it just fine
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> Might try asking _Tonio in #kubuntu-devel
[16:28] <avik42> kk thanks :)
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> er, Tonio_
[17:33] <LSD|Ninja> What was the point of the latest nvidia-96 update if it was a version bump to 96.43.07?
[17:35] <LSD|Ninja> wasn't*
[17:41] <G_009> update-manager kept coming up with 'could not calculate upgrade'; tried apt-get and it went thru no problem
[17:41] <mvo> G_009: for what upgrade situation?
[17:42] <G_009> 163 updates
[17:43] <G_009> i call it the 'partial upgrade' bug
[17:46] <G_009> i was specting to have to reboot after such extensive update.. i'll do it anyway
[18:55] <linux1> can someone check something for me before i file a bug the sshmenu-gnome install's but i cant add it to the gnome panel
[19:52] <amikrop> Hello. I have a Game Boy Advance game (in an actuall Game Boy disquette). Is there any way I can play it in my pc?
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> in Ubuntu?
[19:54] <amikrop> yes
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> So you have the cartridge?
[19:56] <amikrop> What is the cartridge?
[19:56]  * JontheEchidna doesn't know of any cartridge-ripping hardware that has linux drivers
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> The plastic thing that GBA games come on
[19:57] <amikrop> JontheEchidna: yes
[19:57] <amikrop> I do have it.
[19:57] <JontheEchidna> [14:56:50] * JontheEchidna doesn't know of any cartridge-ripping hardware that has linux drivers
[19:58] <amikrop> JontheEchidna: So, there is not any way I can play my game, in my computer?
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> uh, sorta
[20:00] <JontheEchidna> you'd have to do legally questionable things that I'm not sure I'm allowed to discuss here
[20:01] <JontheEchidna> anyway, general ubuntu support is in #ubuntu, this is for the development version of ubuntu
[22:39] <Jordan_U> Is LRM likely to be working by alpha 3 ?
[22:44] <gluer> Hi, Q: I've got a Nvidia Geforce Go 7600 in laptop, ive installed all the latest updates and im still stuck in low res, how can i get 1680*1050 in intrepid?
[22:50] <Jordan_U> gluer, AFIK the proprietary drivers are broken currently
[22:51] <Jordan_U> gluer, You can try using the 'nv' driver if you are not already
[22:51] <gluer> Jordan: nv driver?
[22:51] <gluer> off the website?
[22:52] <markit> hi, my laptop boots in textual mode with kernel 2.6.24, but can't see anything with 2.6.26 (nvidia), any suggested setup or boot time parameter?
[22:57] <AtomicSpark> they should keep alpha as intended. in house/dev only beta testing. :P
[22:59] <Jordan_U> AtomicSpark, It's the open source way, release early, release often and warn about the possible killing of your dog
[23:01] <AtomicSpark> Jordan_U: people always miss or ignore the warning though :\
[23:08] <gluer> holy crap!! fixed my nvidia! finally
[23:08] <gluer> lol
[23:09] <markit> gluer: I've problems with nvidia as well
[23:09] <gluer> about ffkn time
[23:09] <markit> with my laptop
[23:09] <markit> oh, no, does not show anything here :(
[23:09] <gluer> i followed this, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=856227
[23:10] <markit> with kernel 2.6.24 I've no graphic (error setting MTRR), while with kernel 26.26 I've no output at all
[23:10] <gluer> i just modified the xorg.conf file
[23:10] <markit> I've not checked closed source (evil) driver
[23:10] <gluer> changed the section "device"
[23:13] <gluer> then changed the section "screen" to my correct res
[23:13] <gluer> for some reason my section "device" was identified as "device1" which i changed to "device0"
[23:15] <gluer> nv driver version 173.14.09
[23:16] <markit> gluer: oh, could you pastebin me your xorg.conf please? the relevant (whole) sections?
[23:17] <markit> gluer: even if is strange that with kernel 2.6.24 I've graphic image (gray) with X cursor, then returns to textual
[23:17] <markit> while with more recent kernels, I've no image at all (nor textual)
[23:18] <gluer> markit: sure..ive never used pastebin though, whats the deal?
[23:18] <markit> gluer: and where do you find if device0 or device1 or deviceX is correct?
[23:19] <markit> gluer: www.pastebin.ca, and copy/paste your xorg.conf, then submit and write here the link it returns
[23:19] <markit> or we could go in private and you can paste me some small pieces of config
[23:21] <gluer> markit: http://www.pastebin.ca/1076000
[23:22] <markit> gluer: thanks a lot, I will try :)
[23:22] <gluer> markit: its messy but i hope it helps
[23:23] <gluer> now got to get my sound working lol!
[23:24] <crimsun_> what's wrong w/ your sound?
[23:26] <markit> gluer: unfortunatly, I've still "error setting MTRR"
[23:27] <gluer> markit: bugger
[23:27] <markit> gluer: what do you mean?
[23:27] <gluer> markit: just aussie slang ;-) lol
[23:34] <gluer> q: when i boot into gui i hear the drum sound, then when i login the sound doesnt work, any ideas how to fix this? my laptop is a asus fj3  or something
[23:43] <markit> ok, let's format and go back to a more stable 8.04 :) thanks a lot anyway, bye