| WilDec | Does the server.iso's installer/partitioner support RAID installation? I'd think it does, but only the alternate.iso's description on the site mentions RAID ... | 00:06 |
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| JanC | WilDec: the server installer is based on the alternate installer | 00:16 |
| WilDec | JanC: Hi. Clear, but does it include the RAID support? desktop.iso seemingly does not ... | 00:17 |
| WilDec | server is a smaller subset of alternate, but dunno what's "in there" | 00:17 |
| JanC | the live CD installer doesn't, but it uses another installer | 00:17 |
| JanC | I'm not 100% sure, but I would be surprised if the alternate desktop CD would support it and the server CD wouldn't ツ | 00:18 |
| JanC | that wouldn't make sense | 00:19 |
| WilDec | Heh. I was surprised teh desktop.iso didn't! | 00:19 |
| JanC | well, somebody would have to implement an easy to understand GUI first | 00:19 |
| JanC | alternate/server ISOs are targetted to an audience that already understands the RAID concept | 00:20 |
| WilDec | RH, Centos, Opensuse all have managed to do so ... which is why I asssumed (incorrectly) that it's "there", and, now, am asking if it's "elsewhere". | 00:21 |
| WilDec | Sounds like server probly does, but alternat certainly does. | 00:21 |
| WilDec | only ~ 150MB diff anyway. Time for a coffee :-) | 00:22 |
| JanC | I doubt the RH installer GUI can explain RAID 0/1/5 to people who haven't installed an OS ever before ;) | 00:23 |
| WilDec | No, but it provides an "easy to understand GUI" for those who do. | 00:24 |
| WilDec | er, have. | 00:24 |
| JanC | there is a reason why there are several Ubuntu ISOs | 00:25 |
| Deeps | GUI or curses text interface? | 00:26 |
| JanC | using -desktop to install a server is probably not the best way to go | 00:26 |
| JanC | bot maybe there should be an Ubuntu SBS ISO with GUI installer one day ツ | 00:27 |
| WilDec | JanC: Yes "there's a reason". And the "reason" I'm asking, is that those "reasons" aren't clear on the website. | 00:29 |
| WilDec | And, I'm not currently trying to install a server -- just a 'minimal' install on an LVM+RAID partition plan. | 00:29 |
| WilDec | For which I simply needed the capability to install RAID. | 00:29 |
| WilDec | Deeps: That Q for me? | 00:29 |
| JanC | WilDec: for "minimal" desktop installations, the -alternate ISO is probably best | 00:31 |
| WilDec | Great. Cuz that's what I'm DL'ing :-) | 00:31 |
| JanC | or if you're doing an install in a VM, try JeOS or the automatic image builder | 00:32 |
| JanC | (the advantage of the -virtual kernel being that it doesn't include drivers for a lot of "real hardware"...) | 00:33 |
| WilDec | I'll take a look eventually -- *this* install will (hopefully) be a Dom0. | 00:33 |
| JanC | ah, Xen | 00:34 |
| WilDec | For now, until pvops grows up. | 00:34 |
| JanC | currently, I use kvm for virtualisation on my desktop | 00:35 |
| WilDec | Yup, Fine for desktop. Not so much for hot swap, migration, and pci passthrough -- yet. | 00:36 |
| JanC | kvm supports migration | 00:36 |
| * Kludge^WalesUK asks a stupid question; "Is it ok to `idle` here, but learn? I'm guessing yes, but I thought i'd be polite and ask" :) | 00:37 | |
| WilDec | heh. one out of three doesn't help atm ;-) | 00:37 |
| JanC | Kludge^WalesUK: of course that's ok! | 00:37 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | \o/ still a bit of a n00b, but playing with ubuntu server in VMWare with a win32/64 SSH client :) | 00:37 |
| JanC | WilDec: I'm not sure about the other 2, you'll have to check them yourself | 00:38 |
| JanC | ;) | 00:38 |
| WilDec | I did. It don't. Yet ... | 00:38 |
| JanC | Kludge^WalesUK: vmware or other virtualisation software is good to play around (you won't break a "real" system that way) | 00:40 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | oh yeah, that's a VERY wise choice for me, i'll soon be at the helm of a 100Mbps server. Linux doesn't (generally) seem to love me too much ;) | 00:40 |
| JanC | and feel free to ask questions you have (but be patient to get answers, it might take some time for people to answer) | 00:41 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | i'm doing quite well, had ScottK try and help me out with transmission and a webUI, and others with kTorrent and a webUI, but i'm kinda admitting defeat, and going with what i know... although sadly it's not "natively" linux | 00:42 |
| JanC | eh | 00:46 |
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| JanC | I just use bittornado on my VPS ;) | 00:47 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | getting a cheap dedi | 00:47 |
| JanC | bittornado + screen | 00:47 |
| JanC | so I can access/monitor it through ssh from everywhere ツ | 00:48 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | =) my bud has been trying to (literally) break my arm into using rTorrent ;( I'm just a GUI man LOL | 00:48 |
| JanC | IIRC rtorrent even works on many embedded hardware like routers | 00:49 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | yup, it sure does. Although my demands i make i think i'd brick the router :( | 00:49 |
| JanC | you know, Asus WL-500g Premium includes a bittorrent client + web admin by default ;) | 00:50 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | my crappy home connection of (currently) 448kbps upstream and running native Win XP SP3 on some crappy hardware, i have almost 550 torrents \o/ | 00:50 |
| JanC | lol | 00:50 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | P4 2Ghz with 1GB of DDR266 | 00:50 |
| * JanC only uses torrents to download "Big Buck Bunny" and such ;) | 00:51 | |
| Kludge^WalesUK | awesome \o/ wonder if you can help me out seeing as you're here, i googled yesterday but came up being just as confuzzled (very easy with me hehe) | 00:52 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | if i want to run icecast AS root on startup, is that possible? i've got icewm running when i VNC in which is fine | 00:52 |
| JanC | running anything as root is stupid | 00:53 |
| hads | Maybe not init :) | 00:53 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | icecast needs it, although i'm not sure if i can sudo it | 00:53 |
| JanC | wel, almost anything, but certainly anything that is connected to the internet | 00:53 |
| hads | Just being smart | 00:54 |
| JanC | Kludge^WalesUK: I can't see any reason why icecast would need to run as root | 00:54 |
| hads | But yes, running things as root isn't good. | 00:54 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | me either. BRB need to add kludge to the sudoers | 00:54 |
| hads | admin group | 00:55 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | from what i've seen (probably wrong ;( ) i visudo and add Kludge user root with the same ALL=(ALL) ALL ? | 00:55 |
| JanC | Kludge^WalesUK: if you need to be able to get admin rights through sudo, at the account to the admin group ツ | 00:55 |
| JanC | s/at/add/ | 00:56 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | what'd happen if i visudo the above? | 00:56 |
| JanC | Kludge^WalesUK: why would you risk to break your system by doing something you don't understand if there is a documented way to do things? ;) | 00:58 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | i like to live on the edge of a knife? :/ plus i've spent like 3 days trying to fight ubuntu :P | 00:58 |
| hads | `sudo adduser kludge admin` | 00:58 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | hmmm. thats much simpler ;o | 00:58 |
| JanC | Kludge^WalesUK: well, I suggest you make a snapshot of your VM _before_ you start to experiment with visudo ;) | 00:59 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | LOL, i've worked on progressive snapshots. visudo was the tool chosen on this tutorial... but sudo adduser kludge admin certainly sounds a lot more polite | 01:00 |
| JanC | but maybe first try to use Ubuntu as intended | 01:00 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | this is going to be a remote box, so no need for an elaborate gnome/kde desktop | 01:00 |
| JanC | Kludge^WalesUK: you'll have to log out & back in before the adduser thing will work though | 01:00 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | sweet :D | 01:01 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | trying not to sound too n00bish ;) google IS my friend. | 01:03 |
| JanC | Kludge^WalesUK: there is nothing wrong with being new (but there is nothing wrong with searching the internet too, of course) | 01:18 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | exactly ;D | 01:19 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | JanC: is there any way to add the user AND place them in the "sudoers" file? when i useradd -m kludge then passwd kludge then login AS kludge and try sudo it complains | 01:36 |
| hads | Umm.. what I said before? | 01:36 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | sudo useradd kludge admin ? | 01:37 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | because thats not workings =\ | 01:38 |
| JanC | Kludge^WalesUK: did you log out/in after that? | 01:39 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | ahh it was adduser kludge admin | 01:40 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | DOH! | 01:40 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | thank god i'm just not doing this on a live box :X | 01:43 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | would it be advisable, or is it just strictly user choice to start a VNCServer on a different `screen` than 1? | 02:06 |
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| Kludge^WalesUK | anyone lurking for a quick confirmation question? | 04:05 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | i'd like to confirm a SAFE way of creating a vsftpd user account... last time i done this i managed to make a SYSTEM WIDE account =\ | 04:09 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | useradd -m example | 04:10 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | passwd example ? | 04:10 |
| hads | Safe? Don't use FTP :) | 04:34 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | i guess, i'd be happy using SCP, but i want to share :D | 04:36 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #249706 in openssh (main) "ssh-copy-id fails when run with colon (:)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/249706 | 05:06 |
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| kraut | moin | 07:30 |
| sergevn | good morning | 07:55 |
| frippz | I just noticed that two USB-disk drives that I have attached to our file server got mounted differently after a reboot. this caused some problems to be sure. is there anyway to make sure that the same disk gets mounted to the same folder? | 09:12 |
| frippz | I'm guessing that UUID has something to with the solution | 09:12 |
| _ruben | use UUID's indeed (instead of say /dev/whatever) | 09:19 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #249800 in php5 (main) "PHP 5.2.6-2ubuntu1 FTBFS missing readline.h" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/249800 | 09:21 |
| _ruben | you can use the vol_id tool to get the uuid of a certain partition | 09:22 |
| frippz | _ruben: thanks, will look into it | 09:28 |
| dmseg | heelo, guys iam havin problems with LTSP | 10:29 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #249824 in bind9 (main) "[intrepid] IPv6 unusable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/249824 | 10:56 |
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| pschulz01_ | Evening. | 14:43 |
| pschulz01_ | Anyone here using ubuntu on powermac? | 14:43 |
| pschulz01_ | Kamping_Kaiser: Around? | 14:44 |
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| WilDec | Where @ server's installer is the option for GRUB, rather than LILO, install? I'd read that GRUB is the default -- but apparently not, as it's insisting on, and only offering, LILO | 14:46 |
| kirkland | nijaba: http://launchpad.net/musica | 14:47 |
| nealmcb | WilDec: which release? what hardware? are you doing raid? I seem to recall some unusual circumstances in which lilo is used | 15:03 |
| WilDec | nealmcb: release 8.04.1. x86_64. yes on RAID. | 15:11 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | anyone setup icecast2 by any chance? :X | 17:16 |
| Smaug | so i'm trying to install the php5-cli package, and I'm getting a 404 not found error | 17:31 |
| Smaug | using sudo aptitude install php5-cli | 17:31 |
| Smaug | nvm it worked | 17:34 |
| Smaug | had to do sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade first... | 17:34 |
| dm37|Wk | How large is a mirror of just i386 of the latest release? I'm looking to set up a small archive mirror for testing. | 17:49 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | anyone lurking? | 18:40 |
| * dm37|Wk raises hand | 18:41 | |
| dm37|Wk | I won't likely be of much help, though. | 18:41 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | hehe. Just encountered a minor problem which didnt present itself through VMWare virtualization. I think i nailed it, just got to mess about with a few things :S (potentially VERY scary) | 18:42 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #249881 in openldap (main) "Hardy slapd server is not supporting sasl/external authentication" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/249881 | 20:42 |
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| nxvl | mathiaz: around? | 21:56 |
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| tacone | what's the policy for Apache DocumentRoot in Intrepid ? debian now seems to use /srv/www/, will ubuntu stick to /var/www ? where to ask about that ? | 22:45 |
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| AtomicSpark | other distros use /srv/www/, but that just creates another folder in root. :P | 22:53 |
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| AtomicSpark | but then again var is for variable program data. so. you can see it from both points. | 22:54 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | hey guys, just want to say a HUGE thankyou to all that've helped me out <3!!! | 23:03 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | nxvl! | 23:13 |
| nxvl | hi! | 23:14 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | dudey did you help me out with some ubuntu stuffs? | 23:14 |
| nxvl | i can try! | 23:15 |
| patrickd | is there an easy way of getting X to work in jeos? | 23:15 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | nxvl: no i mean DID you? :D if so thankyou so much, i have my ubuntu server up and running now (not virtually, but in hardware) | 23:16 |
| nxvl | D: | 23:17 |
| nxvl | :D | 23:17 |
| nxvl | awesome! | 23:17 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | its running icecast2 at last, goddamn some of the tutorials out there SUCK ASS! | 23:18 |
| patrickd | yes.. yes they do | 23:18 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | about the only thing i've done that most people would CRINGE about, is have X running LOL... but then again the window manager (not that i need one) is only amiwm or icewm | 23:19 |
| patrickd | kludge: which packages do you need to get X running? | 23:22 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | uhm without a `greeter` or anything overly graphical, just xserver-xorg | 23:26 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | i could run what i need with just that and xterm (terminal that pops up when you run xinit) | 23:26 |
| patrickd | of course | 23:27 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | for the window manager i'm using icewm, but think i still prefer amiwm because i'm all retro *rolls eyes* | 23:27 |
| patrickd | I haven't tried amiwm before -- does it look like fvwm or something? | 23:28 |
| patrickd | oh.. amiga | 23:28 |
| patrickd | weird | 23:28 |
| patrickd | heh.. talk about retro. it's hosted on lysator. That host has been around for as long as I can remember (at least since 1991) | 23:29 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | awesome ;o | 23:29 |
| patrickd | pre-web | 23:30 |
| patrickd | they used to have a big ftp server | 23:30 |
| patrickd | man I'm old | 23:31 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | LOL! I remember scouring the aminet mirrors... god i still DO miss my amiga :'( | 23:31 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | it was an A1230 @ 14/50Mhz with a blizzvision 8MB graphics card ;) | 23:31 |
| patrickd | the 1230 was a hacked up 1200 with a 68030? | 23:32 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | expansion board in the "trapdoor" slot, yeah | 23:32 |
| Kludge^WalesUK | there was a 1230, 1240, and a huge `high end` 060 @ 50Mhz with 166Mhz PPC CPU dual processor ;) | 23:33 |
| patrickd | I had a 1020STfm | 23:33 |
| patrickd | one of my friends talked me into getting the ST over the Amiga | 23:34 |
| patrickd | I did have a NeXTturbo Color though with a 68040 | 23:34 |
| patrickd | that was a nice box | 23:37 |
| patrickd | although I guess I like my macpro more.. | 23:37 |
| tacone | what's the policy for Apache DocumentRoot in Intrepid ? debian now seems to use /srv/www/, will ubuntu stick to /var/www ? where to ask about that ? | 23:38 |
| tacone | has any final decision have been taken ? | 23:39 |
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