[00:06] Does the server.iso's installer/partitioner support RAID installation? I'd think it does, but only the alternate.iso's description on the site mentions RAID ... [00:16] WilDec: the server installer is based on the alternate installer [00:17] JanC: Hi. Clear, but does it include the RAID support? desktop.iso seemingly does not ... [00:17] server is a smaller subset of alternate, but dunno what's "in there" [00:17] the live CD installer doesn't, but it uses another installer [00:18] I'm not 100% sure, but I would be surprised if the alternate desktop CD would support it and the server CD wouldn't ツ [00:19] that wouldn't make sense [00:19] Heh. I was surprised teh desktop.iso didn't! [00:19] well, somebody would have to implement an easy to understand GUI first [00:20] alternate/server ISOs are targetted to an audience that already understands the RAID concept [00:21] RH, Centos, Opensuse all have managed to do so ... which is why I asssumed (incorrectly) that it's "there", and, now, am asking if it's "elsewhere". [00:21] Sounds like server probly does, but alternat certainly does. [00:22] only ~ 150MB diff anyway. Time for a coffee :-) [00:23] I doubt the RH installer GUI can explain RAID 0/1/5 to people who haven't installed an OS ever before ;) [00:24] No, but it provides an "easy to understand GUI" for those who do. [00:24] er, have. [00:25] there is a reason why there are several Ubuntu ISOs [00:26] GUI or curses text interface? [00:26] using -desktop to install a server is probably not the best way to go [00:27] bot maybe there should be an Ubuntu SBS ISO with GUI installer one day ツ [00:29] JanC: Yes "there's a reason". And the "reason" I'm asking, is that those "reasons" aren't clear on the website. [00:29] And, I'm not currently trying to install a server -- just a 'minimal' install on an LVM+RAID partition plan. [00:29] For which I simply needed the capability to install RAID. [00:29] Deeps: That Q for me? [00:31] WilDec: for "minimal" desktop installations, the -alternate ISO is probably best [00:31] Great. Cuz that's what I'm DL'ing :-) [00:32] or if you're doing an install in a VM, try JeOS or the automatic image builder [00:33] (the advantage of the -virtual kernel being that it doesn't include drivers for a lot of "real hardware"...) [00:33] I'll take a look eventually -- *this* install will (hopefully) be a Dom0. [00:34] ah, Xen [00:34] For now, until pvops grows up. [00:35] currently, I use kvm for virtualisation on my desktop [00:36] Yup, Fine for desktop. Not so much for hot swap, migration, and pci passthrough -- yet. [00:36] kvm supports migration [00:37] * Kludge^WalesUK asks a stupid question; "Is it ok to `idle` here, but learn? I'm guessing yes, but I thought i'd be polite and ask" :) [00:37] heh. one out of three doesn't help atm ;-) [00:37] Kludge^WalesUK: of course that's ok! [00:37] \o/ still a bit of a n00b, but playing with ubuntu server in VMWare with a win32/64 SSH client :) [00:38] WilDec: I'm not sure about the other 2, you'll have to check them yourself [00:38] ;) [00:38] I did. It don't. Yet ... [00:40] Kludge^WalesUK: vmware or other virtualisation software is good to play around (you won't break a "real" system that way) [00:40] oh yeah, that's a VERY wise choice for me, i'll soon be at the helm of a 100Mbps server. Linux doesn't (generally) seem to love me too much ;) [00:41] and feel free to ask questions you have (but be patient to get answers, it might take some time for people to answer) [00:42] i'm doing quite well, had ScottK try and help me out with transmission and a webUI, and others with kTorrent and a webUI, but i'm kinda admitting defeat, and going with what i know... although sadly it's not "natively" linux [00:46] eh === knurra_das_boot is now known as knurra_natti [00:47] I just use bittornado on my VPS ;) [00:47] getting a cheap dedi [00:47] bittornado + screen [00:48] so I can access/monitor it through ssh from everywhere ツ [00:48] =) my bud has been trying to (literally) break my arm into using rTorrent ;( I'm just a GUI man LOL [00:49] IIRC rtorrent even works on many embedded hardware like routers [00:49] yup, it sure does. Although my demands i make i think i'd brick the router :( [00:50] you know, Asus WL-500g Premium includes a bittorrent client + web admin by default ;) [00:50] my crappy home connection of (currently) 448kbps upstream and running native Win XP SP3 on some crappy hardware, i have almost 550 torrents \o/ [00:50] lol [00:50] P4 2Ghz with 1GB of DDR266 [00:51] * JanC only uses torrents to download "Big Buck Bunny" and such ;) [00:52] awesome \o/ wonder if you can help me out seeing as you're here, i googled yesterday but came up being just as confuzzled (very easy with me hehe) [00:52] if i want to run icecast AS root on startup, is that possible? i've got icewm running when i VNC in which is fine [00:53] running anything as root is stupid [00:53] Maybe not init :) [00:53] icecast needs it, although i'm not sure if i can sudo it [00:53] wel, almost anything, but certainly anything that is connected to the internet [00:54] Just being smart [00:54] Kludge^WalesUK: I can't see any reason why icecast would need to run as root [00:54] But yes, running things as root isn't good. [00:54] me either. BRB need to add kludge to the sudoers [00:55] admin group [00:55] from what i've seen (probably wrong ;( ) i visudo and add Kludge user root with the same ALL=(ALL) ALL ? [00:55] Kludge^WalesUK: if you need to be able to get admin rights through sudo, at the account to the admin group ツ [00:56] s/at/add/ [00:56] what'd happen if i visudo the above? [00:58] Kludge^WalesUK: why would you risk to break your system by doing something you don't understand if there is a documented way to do things? ;) [00:58] i like to live on the edge of a knife? :/ plus i've spent like 3 days trying to fight ubuntu :P [00:58] `sudo adduser kludge admin` [00:58] hmmm. thats much simpler ;o [00:59] Kludge^WalesUK: well, I suggest you make a snapshot of your VM _before_ you start to experiment with visudo ;) [01:00] LOL, i've worked on progressive snapshots. visudo was the tool chosen on this tutorial... but sudo adduser kludge admin certainly sounds a lot more polite [01:00] but maybe first try to use Ubuntu as intended [01:00] this is going to be a remote box, so no need for an elaborate gnome/kde desktop [01:00] Kludge^WalesUK: you'll have to log out & back in before the adduser thing will work though [01:01] sweet :D [01:03] trying not to sound too n00bish ;) google IS my friend. [01:18] Kludge^WalesUK: there is nothing wrong with being new (but there is nothing wrong with searching the internet too, of course) [01:19] exactly ;D [01:36] JanC: is there any way to add the user AND place them in the "sudoers" file? when i useradd -m kludge then passwd kludge then login AS kludge and try sudo it complains [01:36] Umm.. what I said before? [01:37] sudo useradd kludge admin ? [01:38] because thats not workings =\ [01:39] Kludge^WalesUK: did you log out/in after that? [01:40] ahh it was adduser kludge admin [01:40] DOH! [01:43] thank god i'm just not doing this on a live box :X [02:06] would it be advisable, or is it just strictly user choice to start a VNCServer on a different `screen` than 1? === freaky[t] is now known as fReAkY[t] [04:05] anyone lurking for a quick confirmation question? [04:09] i'd like to confirm a SAFE way of creating a vsftpd user account... last time i done this i managed to make a SYSTEM WIDE account =\ [04:10] useradd -m example [04:10] passwd example ? [04:34] Safe? Don't use FTP :) [04:36] i guess, i'd be happy using SCP, but i want to share :D === hessml|away is now known as hessml|away|away [05:06] New bug: #249706 in openssh (main) "ssh-copy-id fails when run with colon (:)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/249706 === _bicz is now known as bicz [07:30] moin [07:55] good morning [09:12] I just noticed that two USB-disk drives that I have attached to our file server got mounted differently after a reboot. this caused some problems to be sure. is there anyway to make sure that the same disk gets mounted to the same folder? [09:12] I'm guessing that UUID has something to with the solution [09:19] <_ruben> use UUID's indeed (instead of say /dev/whatever) [09:21] New bug: #249800 in php5 (main) "PHP 5.2.6-2ubuntu1 FTBFS missing readline.h" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/249800 [09:22] <_ruben> you can use the vol_id tool to get the uuid of a certain partition [09:28] _ruben: thanks, will look into it [10:29] heelo, guys iam havin problems with LTSP [10:56] New bug: #249824 in bind9 (main) "[intrepid] IPv6 unusable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/249824 === erichammond1 is now known as erichammond === fReAkY[t] is now known as freaky[t] [14:43] Evening. [14:43] Anyone here using ubuntu on powermac? [14:44] Kamping_Kaiser: Around? === pschulz01_ is now known as pschulz01 [14:46] Where @ server's installer is the option for GRUB, rather than LILO, install? I'd read that GRUB is the default -- but apparently not, as it's insisting on, and only offering, LILO [14:47] nijaba: http://launchpad.net/musica [15:03] WilDec: which release? what hardware? are you doing raid? I seem to recall some unusual circumstances in which lilo is used [15:11] nealmcb: release 8.04.1. x86_64. yes on RAID. [17:16] anyone setup icecast2 by any chance? :X [17:31] so i'm trying to install the php5-cli package, and I'm getting a 404 not found error [17:31] using sudo aptitude install php5-cli [17:34] nvm it worked [17:34] had to do sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade first... [17:49] How large is a mirror of just i386 of the latest release? I'm looking to set up a small archive mirror for testing. [18:40] anyone lurking? [18:41] * dm37|Wk raises hand [18:41] I won't likely be of much help, though. [18:42] hehe. Just encountered a minor problem which didnt present itself through VMWare virtualization. I think i nailed it, just got to mess about with a few things :S (potentially VERY scary) === macd_ is now known as macd [20:42] New bug: #249881 in openldap (main) "Hardy slapd server is not supporting sasl/external authentication" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/249881 === hessml|away is now known as hessml|away|away === hessml|away|away is now known as hessml|away === erichammond1 is now known as erichammond === hessml|away is now known as hessml|away|away === hessml|away|away is now known as hessml|away [21:56] mathiaz: around? === hessml|away is now known as hessml|away|away === hessml|away|away is now known as hessml|away === hessml|away is now known as hessml|away|away === hessml|away|away is now known as hessml|away [22:45] what's the policy for Apache DocumentRoot in Intrepid ? debian now seems to use /srv/www/, will ubuntu stick to /var/www ? where to ask about that ? === RoAk is now known as RoAkSoAx [22:53] other distros use /srv/www/, but that just creates another folder in root. :P === RoAk is now known as RoAkSoAx [22:54] but then again var is for variable program data. so. you can see it from both points. [23:03] hey guys, just want to say a HUGE thankyou to all that've helped me out <3!!! [23:13] nxvl! [23:14] hi! [23:14] dudey did you help me out with some ubuntu stuffs? [23:15] i can try! [23:15] is there an easy way of getting X to work in jeos? [23:16] nxvl: no i mean DID you? :D if so thankyou so much, i have my ubuntu server up and running now (not virtually, but in hardware) [23:17] D: [23:17] :D [23:17] awesome! [23:18] its running icecast2 at last, goddamn some of the tutorials out there SUCK ASS! [23:18] yes.. yes they do [23:19] about the only thing i've done that most people would CRINGE about, is have X running LOL... but then again the window manager (not that i need one) is only amiwm or icewm [23:22] kludge: which packages do you need to get X running? [23:26] uhm without a `greeter` or anything overly graphical, just xserver-xorg [23:26] i could run what i need with just that and xterm (terminal that pops up when you run xinit) [23:27] of course [23:27] for the window manager i'm using icewm, but think i still prefer amiwm because i'm all retro *rolls eyes* [23:28] I haven't tried amiwm before -- does it look like fvwm or something? [23:28] oh.. amiga [23:28] weird [23:29] heh.. talk about retro. it's hosted on lysator. That host has been around for as long as I can remember (at least since 1991) [23:29] awesome ;o [23:30] pre-web [23:30] they used to have a big ftp server [23:31] man I'm old [23:31] LOL! I remember scouring the aminet mirrors... god i still DO miss my amiga :'( [23:31] it was an A1230 @ 14/50Mhz with a blizzvision 8MB graphics card ;) [23:32] the 1230 was a hacked up 1200 with a 68030? [23:32] expansion board in the "trapdoor" slot, yeah [23:33] there was a 1230, 1240, and a huge `high end` 060 @ 50Mhz with 166Mhz PPC CPU dual processor ;) [23:33] I had a 1020STfm [23:34] one of my friends talked me into getting the ST over the Amiga [23:34] I did have a NeXTturbo Color though with a 68040 [23:37] that was a nice box [23:37] although I guess I like my macpro more.. [23:38] what's the policy for Apache DocumentRoot in Intrepid ? debian now seems to use /srv/www/, will ubuntu stick to /var/www ? where to ask about that ? [23:39] has any final decision have been taken ?