[00:06] <WilDec> Does the server.iso's installer/partitioner support RAID installation? I'd think it does, but only the alternate.iso's description on the site mentions RAID ...
[00:16] <JanC> WilDec: the server installer is based on the alternate installer
[00:17] <WilDec> JanC: Hi. Clear, but does it include the RAID support?  desktop.iso seemingly does not ...
[00:17] <WilDec> server is a smaller subset of alternate, but dunno what's "in there"
[00:17] <JanC> the live CD installer doesn't, but it uses another installer
[00:18] <JanC> I'm not 100% sure, but I would be surprised if the alternate desktop CD would support it and the server CD wouldn't  ツ
[00:19] <JanC> that wouldn't make sense
[00:19] <WilDec> Heh.  I was surprised teh desktop.iso didn't!
[00:19] <JanC> well, somebody would have to implement an easy to understand GUI first
[00:20] <JanC> alternate/server ISOs are targetted to an  audience that already understands the RAID concept
[00:21] <WilDec> RH, Centos, Opensuse all have managed to do so ... which is why I asssumed (incorrectly) that it's "there", and, now, am asking if it's "elsewhere".
[00:21] <WilDec> Sounds like server probly does, but alternat certainly does.
[00:22] <WilDec> only ~ 150MB diff anyway.  Time for a coffee :-)
[00:23] <JanC> I doubt the RH installer GUI can explain RAID 0/1/5 to people who haven't installed an OS ever before  ;)
[00:24] <WilDec> No, but it provides an "easy to understand GUI" for those who do.
[00:24] <WilDec> er, have.
[00:25] <JanC> there is a reason why there are several Ubuntu ISOs
[00:26] <Deeps> GUI or curses text interface?
[00:26] <JanC> using -desktop to install a server is probably not the best way to go
[00:27] <JanC> bot maybe there should be an Ubuntu SBS ISO with GUI installer one day  ツ
[00:29] <WilDec> JanC: Yes "there's a reason".  And the "reason" I'm asking, is that those "reasons" aren't clear on the website.
[00:29] <WilDec> And, I'm not currently trying to install a server -- just a 'minimal' install on an LVM+RAID partition plan.
[00:29] <WilDec> For which I simply needed the capability to install RAID.
[00:29] <WilDec> Deeps: That Q for me?
[00:31] <JanC> WilDec: for "minimal" desktop installations, the -alternate ISO is probably best
[00:31] <WilDec> Great. Cuz that's what I'm DL'ing :-)
[00:32] <JanC> or if you're doing an install in a VM, try JeOS or the automatic image builder
[00:33] <JanC> (the advantage of the -virtual kernel being that it doesn't include drivers for a lot of "real hardware"...)
[00:33] <WilDec> I'll take a look eventually -- *this* install will (hopefully) be a Dom0.
[00:34] <JanC> ah, Xen
[00:34] <WilDec> For now, until pvops grows up.
[00:35] <JanC> currently, I use kvm for virtualisation on my desktop
[00:36] <WilDec> Yup, Fine for desktop.  Not so much for hot swap, migration, and pci passthrough -- yet.
[00:36] <JanC> kvm supports migration
[00:37]  * Kludge^WalesUK asks a stupid question; "Is it ok to `idle` here, but learn? I'm guessing yes, but I thought i'd be polite and ask" :)
[00:37] <WilDec> heh.  one out of three doesn't help atm ;-)
[00:37] <JanC> Kludge^WalesUK: of course that's ok!
[00:37] <Kludge^WalesUK> \o/ still a bit of a n00b, but playing with ubuntu server in VMWare with a win32/64 SSH client :)
[00:38] <JanC> WilDec: I'm not sure about the other 2, you'll have to check them yourself
[00:38] <JanC> ;)
[00:38] <WilDec> I did.  It don't.  Yet ...
[00:40] <JanC> Kludge^WalesUK: vmware or other virtualisation software is good to play around (you won't break a "real" system that way)
[00:40] <Kludge^WalesUK> oh yeah, that's a VERY wise choice for me, i'll soon be at the helm of a 100Mbps server. Linux doesn't (generally) seem to love me too much ;)
[00:41] <JanC> and feel free to ask questions you have (but be patient to get answers, it might take some time for people to answer)
[00:42] <Kludge^WalesUK> i'm doing quite well, had ScottK try and help me out with transmission and a webUI, and others with kTorrent and a webUI, but i'm kinda admitting defeat, and going with what i know... although sadly it's not "natively" linux
[00:46] <JanC> eh
[00:47] <JanC> I just use bittornado on my VPS  ;)
[00:47] <Kludge^WalesUK> getting a cheap dedi
[00:47] <JanC> bittornado + screen
[00:48] <JanC> so I can access/monitor it through ssh from everywhere ツ
[00:48] <Kludge^WalesUK> =) my bud has been trying to (literally) break my arm into using rTorrent ;( I'm just a GUI man LOL
[00:49] <JanC> IIRC rtorrent even works on many embedded hardware like routers
[00:49] <Kludge^WalesUK> yup, it sure does. Although my demands i make i think i'd brick the router :(
[00:50] <JanC> you know, Asus WL-500g Premium includes a bittorrent client + web admin by default  ;)
[00:50] <Kludge^WalesUK> my crappy home connection of (currently) 448kbps upstream and running native Win XP SP3 on some crappy hardware, i have almost 550 torrents \o/
[00:50] <JanC> lol
[00:50] <Kludge^WalesUK> P4 2Ghz with 1GB of DDR266
[00:51]  * JanC only uses torrents to download "Big Buck Bunny" and such  ;)
[00:52] <Kludge^WalesUK> awesome \o/ wonder if you can help me out seeing as you're here, i googled yesterday but came up being just as confuzzled (very easy with me hehe)
[00:52] <Kludge^WalesUK> if i want to run icecast AS root on startup, is that possible? i've got icewm running when i VNC in which is fine
[00:53] <JanC> running anything as root is stupid
[00:53] <hads> Maybe not init :)
[00:53] <Kludge^WalesUK> icecast needs it, although i'm not sure if i can sudo it
[00:53] <JanC> wel, almost anything, but certainly anything that is connected to the internet
[00:54] <hads> Just being smart
[00:54] <JanC> Kludge^WalesUK: I can't see any reason why icecast would need to run as root
[00:54] <hads> But yes, running things as root isn't good.
[00:54] <Kludge^WalesUK> me either. BRB need to add kludge to the sudoers
[00:55] <hads> admin group
[00:55] <Kludge^WalesUK> from what i've seen (probably wrong ;( ) i visudo and add Kludge user root with the same ALL=(ALL) ALL ?
[00:55] <JanC> Kludge^WalesUK: if you need to be able to get admin rights through sudo, at the account to the admin group  ツ
[00:56] <JanC> s/at/add/
[00:56] <Kludge^WalesUK> what'd happen if i visudo the above?
[00:58] <JanC> Kludge^WalesUK: why would you risk to break your system by doing something you don't understand if there is a documented way to do things?  ;)
[00:58] <Kludge^WalesUK> i like to live on the edge of a knife? :/ plus i've spent like 3 days trying to fight ubuntu :P
[00:58] <hads> `sudo adduser kludge admin`
[00:58] <Kludge^WalesUK> hmmm. thats much simpler ;o
[00:59] <JanC> Kludge^WalesUK: well, I suggest you make a snapshot of your VM _before_ you start to experiment with visudo  ;)
[01:00] <Kludge^WalesUK> LOL, i've worked on progressive snapshots. visudo was the tool chosen on this tutorial... but sudo adduser kludge admin certainly sounds a lot more polite
[01:00] <JanC> but maybe first try to use Ubuntu as intended
[01:00] <Kludge^WalesUK> this is going to be a remote box, so no need for an elaborate gnome/kde desktop
[01:00] <JanC> Kludge^WalesUK: you'll have to log out & back in before the adduser thing will work though
[01:01] <Kludge^WalesUK> sweet :D
[01:03] <Kludge^WalesUK> trying not to sound too n00bish ;) google IS my friend.
[01:18] <JanC> Kludge^WalesUK: there is nothing wrong with being new (but there is nothing wrong with searching the internet too, of course)
[01:19] <Kludge^WalesUK> exactly ;D
[01:36] <Kludge^WalesUK> JanC: is there any way to add the user AND place them in the "sudoers" file? when i useradd -m kludge then passwd kludge then login AS kludge and try sudo it complains
[01:36] <hads> Umm.. what I said before?
[01:37] <Kludge^WalesUK> sudo useradd kludge admin ?
[01:38] <Kludge^WalesUK> because thats not workings =\
[01:39] <JanC> Kludge^WalesUK: did you log out/in after that?
[01:40] <Kludge^WalesUK> ahh it was adduser kludge admin
[01:40] <Kludge^WalesUK> DOH!
[01:43] <Kludge^WalesUK> thank god i'm just not doing this on a live box :X
[02:06] <Kludge^WalesUK> would it be advisable, or is it just strictly user choice to start a VNCServer on a different `screen` than 1?
[04:05] <Kludge^WalesUK> anyone lurking for a quick confirmation question?
[04:09] <Kludge^WalesUK> i'd like to confirm a SAFE way of creating a vsftpd user account... last time i done this i managed to make a SYSTEM WIDE account =\
[04:10] <Kludge^WalesUK> useradd -m example
[04:10] <Kludge^WalesUK> passwd example ?
[04:34] <hads> Safe? Don't use FTP :)
[04:36] <Kludge^WalesUK> i guess, i'd be happy using SCP, but i want to share :D
[07:30] <kraut> moin
[07:55] <sergevn> good morning
[09:12] <frippz> I just noticed that two USB-disk drives that I have attached to our file server got mounted differently after a reboot. this caused some problems to be sure. is there anyway to make sure that the same disk gets mounted to the same folder?
[09:12] <frippz> I'm guessing that UUID has something to with the solution
[09:19] <_ruben> use UUID's indeed (instead of say /dev/whatever)
[09:22] <_ruben> you can use the vol_id tool to get the uuid of a certain partition
[09:28] <frippz> _ruben: thanks, will look into it
[10:29] <dmseg> heelo, guys iam havin problems with LTSP
[14:43] <pschulz01_> Evening.
[14:43] <pschulz01_> Anyone here using ubuntu on powermac?
[14:44] <pschulz01_> Kamping_Kaiser: Around?
[14:46] <WilDec> Where @ server's installer is the option for GRUB, rather than LILO, install?  I'd read that GRUB is the default -- but apparently not, as it's insisting on, and only offering, LILO
[14:47] <kirkland> nijaba: http://launchpad.net/musica
[15:03] <nealmcb> WilDec: which release?  what hardware?  are you doing raid?  I seem to recall some unusual circumstances in which lilo is used
[15:11] <WilDec> nealmcb: release 8.04.1. x86_64. yes on RAID.
[17:16] <Kludge^WalesUK> anyone setup icecast2 by any chance? :X
[17:31] <Smaug> so i'm trying to install the php5-cli package, and I'm getting a 404 not found error
[17:31] <Smaug> using sudo aptitude install php5-cli
[17:34] <Smaug> nvm it worked
[17:34] <Smaug> had to do sudo apt-get update and  sudo apt-get upgrade first...
[17:49] <dm37|Wk> ﻿How large is a mirror of just i386 of the latest release?  I'm looking to set up a small archive mirror for testing.
[18:40] <Kludge^WalesUK> anyone lurking?
[18:41]  * dm37|Wk raises hand
[18:41] <dm37|Wk> I won't likely be of much help, though.
[18:42] <Kludge^WalesUK> hehe. Just encountered a minor problem which didnt present itself through VMWare virtualization. I think i nailed it, just got to mess about with a few things :S (potentially VERY scary)
[21:56] <nxvl> mathiaz: around?
[22:45] <tacone> what's the policy for Apache DocumentRoot in Intrepid ? debian now seems to use /srv/www/, will ubuntu stick to /var/www ? where to ask about that ?
[22:53] <AtomicSpark> other distros use /srv/www/, but that just creates another folder in root. :P
[22:54] <AtomicSpark> but then again var is for variable program data. so. you can see it from both points.
[23:03] <Kludge^WalesUK> hey guys, just want to say a HUGE thankyou to all that've helped me out <3!!!
[23:13] <Kludge^WalesUK> nxvl!
[23:14] <nxvl> hi!
[23:14] <Kludge^WalesUK> dudey did you help me out with some ubuntu stuffs?
[23:15] <nxvl> i can try!
[23:15] <patrickd> is there an easy way of getting X to work in jeos?
[23:16] <Kludge^WalesUK> nxvl: no i mean DID you? :D if so thankyou so much, i have my ubuntu server up and running now (not virtually, but in hardware)
[23:17] <nxvl> D:
[23:17] <nxvl> :D
[23:17] <nxvl> awesome!
[23:18] <Kludge^WalesUK> its running icecast2 at last, goddamn some of the tutorials out there SUCK ASS!
[23:18] <patrickd> yes.. yes they do
[23:19] <Kludge^WalesUK> about the only thing i've done that most people would CRINGE about, is have X running LOL... but then again the window manager (not that i need one) is only amiwm or icewm
[23:22] <patrickd> kludge:  which packages do you need to get X running?
[23:26] <Kludge^WalesUK> uhm without a `greeter` or anything overly graphical, just xserver-xorg
[23:26] <Kludge^WalesUK> i could run what i need with just that and xterm (terminal that pops up when you run xinit)
[23:27] <patrickd> of course
[23:27] <Kludge^WalesUK> for the window manager i'm using icewm, but think i still prefer amiwm because i'm all retro *rolls eyes*
[23:28] <patrickd> I haven't tried amiwm before -- does it look like fvwm or something?
[23:28] <patrickd> oh.. amiga
[23:28] <patrickd> weird
[23:29] <patrickd> heh.. talk about retro.  it's hosted on lysator.  That host has been around for as long as I can remember (at least since 1991)
[23:29] <Kludge^WalesUK> awesome ;o
[23:30] <patrickd> pre-web
[23:30] <patrickd> they used to have a big ftp server
[23:31] <patrickd> man I'm old
[23:31] <Kludge^WalesUK> LOL! I remember scouring the aminet mirrors... god i still DO miss my amiga :'(
[23:31] <Kludge^WalesUK> it was an A1230 @ 14/50Mhz with a blizzvision 8MB graphics card ;)
[23:32] <patrickd> the 1230 was a hacked up 1200 with a 68030?
[23:32] <Kludge^WalesUK> expansion board in the "trapdoor" slot, yeah
[23:33] <Kludge^WalesUK> there was a 1230, 1240, and a huge `high end` 060 @ 50Mhz with 166Mhz PPC CPU dual processor ;)
[23:33] <patrickd> I had a 1020STfm
[23:34] <patrickd> one of my friends talked me into getting the ST over the Amiga
[23:34] <patrickd> I did have a NeXTturbo Color though with a 68040
[23:37] <patrickd> that was a nice box
[23:37] <patrickd> although I guess I like my macpro more..
[23:38] <tacone> what's the policy for Apache DocumentRoot in Intrepid ? debian now seems to use /srv/www/, will ubuntu stick to /var/www ? where to ask about that ?
[23:39] <tacone> has any final decision have been taken ?