[00:11] what's a good application to control my wireless connections? [00:11] besides wifi-rader [00:11] It works but eh... [00:12] gnome-network-manager? === Genelyk1 is now known as Genelyk [00:26] bye [01:11] anom01y: what are you doing? [01:13] there he goes again... [01:13] I think there must be network anomaly affecting him === MeanderingCode_ is now known as MeanderingCode [01:40] hello....i was hoping for help in diagnosing why my XFCE startup hangs at "Starting Desktop Manager" after logging into GDM after killing X [01:43] MeanderingCode: what version of xubuntu? [01:43] Hardy [01:43] hmm. i thought cody-somerville fixed that... [01:44] known bug? [01:44] sounds like... [01:44] sounds like what? [01:45] MeanderingCode, can you pastebin the contents of your /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc file? [01:47] cody-somerville: one sec [01:49] http://pastebin.com/d4dc914cb [01:59] cody-somerville: what think you? [02:00] * cody-somerville has to jet but is very interested in the problem. [02:00] be back on in 30 minuters or so [02:01] mkay [02:01] can i give you my email or somesuch? [02:01] i think i'm out, too [02:01] usually removing/renaming the ~/.cache and ~./config directories works... [02:01] Odd-rationale: ouch [02:01] on the ~/.config [02:02] cody-somerville? [02:03] if it doesn't work, you can rename them back... [02:03] what inside of .config is the key? There's many-a-valuable-thing in there [02:03] i'd hate to have to redo it all [02:04] i think the xfce related folders... [02:04] just .config/xfce4? [02:04] i would think so... [02:06] would having changed the splash theme affected anything? [02:07] i don't think so... [02:08] but i really don't know a lot about this prob. i just once helped a guy log into a shell and remove his ~/.cache and ~./config dirs and it work... :| [02:08] where can i find out about this since i have no idea how to contact cody-somerville? [02:09] wait here... [02:09] he'll be back soon... [02:09] btw, powering off and back on worked [02:09] lol. [02:09] well, we'll see how long i can wait and how long it gets from there [02:19] Looking for a little help here. Are windows partitions automounted when using the Xubuntu Live CD? I don't run windows at all [02:20] I'm trying to triage a bug report on this [02:20] charlie-tca: i don't think so... [02:20] Thanks [02:22] Odd-rationale: Should they be? [02:22] no [02:22] hello [02:25] TheSheep: Can you concur on the Live CD issue? [02:27] charlie-tca: no windows in the radious of 100 meters [02:27] radius [02:28] TheSheep: thanks anyway. [02:28] all this SCO stuff... [02:28] didnt know there were linux and sco controversies.... [02:32] ... novell strikes me as getting greed, sooner or later [02:48] In a command line, I can do an iwlist scan, iwconfig eth1 essid "networkname", ans dhclient eth1. This will get me on the wireless network here. However, I can't do it with wifi-radar (the GUI app) How come? Is there an app special for xubunt that works better? [02:51] Anyone? [03:05] craigbass1976: the network-manager applet [03:06] TheSheep, I'll have to wait until reboot is done. I wrote a bash script and made a shortcut on the desktop, which works, but I'd rather not do that [03:09] TheSheep, Ahh, much better [03:09] Never had wifi-radar trouble before... wonder what gives [07:22] what's a simple, gedit-like text editor that is more in the xfce4 style? [07:26] scite, maybe? [07:26] I use scite, but I don't know how xfce like it is... [07:27] can you be more specific about what you mean when you say that? [08:44] zoredache: i'm basically just looking to avoid gedit, which seems bloated [08:45] at least, it seems bloated on this olpc xo-1 ;-) [08:58] ah.. well I really like scite for a gui editor. I tend to use vi quite a lot too [09:26] any idea why the hell my mouse ball is not seen since I installed hardy 8.04.1 ? [09:26] I got the cursor in the middle of the screen, but I can't move it [09:27] USB mouse ball [09:32] humm, it turns out that it's not working on another USB port... weired [09:33] 2 ports don't work, the 3rd one does (haven't tried the 4th one, but I have an working external USB CDROM device pluged in here) === j1mc_ is now known as j1mc === wrtpeeps_ is now known as wrtpeeps === arf`_ is now known as arf` === actionboy is now known as AkshunBoi [12:05] * AkshunBoi whistles [12:35] how do I install rtl8187 [14:46] !help [14:47] Hi! I'm #xubuntu's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://tinyurl.com/5zfb6t - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [14:59] anyone home ? xubuntu killed my machine :( i need help :( [15:02] anyone ? [15:17] hellohector, hi === leche_y_galletas is now known as leche [18:57] hi [18:57] Hey sloopy [18:57] Sorry [18:57] slow-motion I mean, of course :) [18:58] hi vinnl [19:10] Hmm, does anyone know where (if anywhere) I can find the Xubuntu *8.04* desktop guide online? [19:15] http://doc.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/index.html [19:15] Great, thanks charlie-tca! [19:15] :) [19:23] vinnl: if you have specific questions we can always try to help out [19:24] lc2, sure, but I'm writing a blog post on how to get help with Xubuntu ;-) [19:24] vinnl: oh :D [19:24] well here is usually a good bet [19:24] when we're not idle or drunk [19:24] lc2, don't worry, I won't forget #xubuntu :) [19:25] :D [19:25] vinnl: i'm kinda biased, i came to xubuntu from freebsd and so everything seems so hopelessly easy to use that i never need to consult docs [19:25] ^.^ [19:26] it's like holy shit, i can plug in a usb device and *poof* it's on the desktop [19:27] :) [19:27] i can unplug it, and plug it back in without a kernel panic! [19:30] you know, i used to really like making things as difficult as possible [19:30] i used to compile everything from source for that reason, and not use GUIs where i couldn't avoid it [19:30] i just got bored of that shit [19:30] it's how i ended up at xubuntu [19:35] Hmm, can anybody give me some examples of very useful Xubuntu tutorials on the internet? [19:35] (i.e. articles you've *really* found helpful) [19:35] i wish i could [19:35] I haven't had or needed any [19:35] after i installed it, it just worked for me [19:35] Hehe, that's nice too :P [19:35] everything seems pretty obvious to me [19:36] Some of the most common questions here are about smb browsing, themes, and compiz [19:36] compiz is made of fail and aids [19:36] imho [19:36] :D [19:36] Hmm, I don't want to link to myself, and I've wrote articles on the last two :P [19:37] vinnl: link away [19:37] yes well I agree, but people keep asking about it again and again [19:37] So what would be a good article on smb browsing? [19:37] does thunar even support smb browsing? [19:37] zoredache, that's why I'm writing the blog entry :P [19:37] lc2, not by default I believe [19:37] oh [19:37] i have a usb hd 500 gb thats acting real slow, the name has a space in it "freeagent drive" does that affect performance? [19:37] well that fails [19:37] ;\ [19:38] its full of 200mb tiff files, i cant copy 1 of them [19:38] most people eventuall find http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131 [19:38] eca, I don't know exact numbers, but I've never noticed any difference with spaces [19:38] zoredache, and that works? [19:38] yes [19:38] lc2, I believe Cody is working on getting that fixed for 8.10 :) [19:38] Thanks zoredache :) [19:38] they have un-needed steps though, and don't mention the security issue they create [19:38] i remember having to use underscores instead of spaces, is that correct? [19:39] when cd to directory [19:39] zoredache, hmm, I don't want to link it if it poses a security issue :( [19:39] eca, you can prepend it with a \ I believe [19:39] k ty [19:39] eca, e.g. "cd /media/freeagent\ drive" [19:39] (Not sure though) [19:40] Yep, that's the way to do it :) [19:40] vinnl: basically it suggest that you have to store your smb passwords (unencrypted) in a config file... I think that is a bad idea [19:40] yes that works [19:40] zoredache: not necessarily [19:41] anyone that can get sufficient access on your system to read a 700'd config file is more than likely going to be able to install a keylogger or whatever [19:42] ah, but I would prefer everybody install there systems with the 'encrypted-lvm' option... [19:42] that would only protect against an exploit that would allow someone to read arbitrary files under a certain uid but *not* to execute commands [19:42] on a non-server system, the odds of that are minimal [19:42] but wat do i no lol [19:42] zoredache, where does it mention storing your smb passwords in a config file? [19:43] a few posts in, and in the fusesmb man page [19:43] Ah, OK [19:43] zoredache, does the original post work for Hardy? [19:45] vinnl: you can skip step 1,3,6.7 [19:45] but yes [19:46] OK, thanks [20:00] I guess it's time to ask. Using Xubuntu 7.10, I somehow got all of my directories and files sorting from [20:00] Z to A in Thunar. How do I flip that sort order. I like A on top. [20:01] charlie-tca, in Thunar, View->Arrange Items->Ascending [20:02] Can't, I don't have Arrange Items [20:02] That's odd [20:02] Yea, I thought it odd when they reversed. [20:02] That's really odd [20:03] wtf. [20:03] New one, huh? [20:04] yes. [20:04] yes it is. [20:04] very irritating, too. [20:30] hi all new (again) to ubuntu [20:31] :) [20:31] I'm trying to get some help to connect to my office network to use the shared printer [20:33] ummm anyone here? kinda quiet [20:34] you didn't really ask a question [20:34] and i'm about ready to pass out, having slept four hours in three days [20:34] but go for it [20:34] thanks here we go [20:35] trying to connect to a hp deskjet 3930... [20:35] but the driver list that comes standard with xubuntu has driver for 3920 or others not actually the 3930 [20:36] davejustdave: try the driver for the 3920 [20:36] so i downloaded a (supposedly) self installer but my shell says it cant open it [20:36] tried the 3920 it got to the spool but would never print [20:36] davejustdave: what does it say when you try to open it? what command are you typing? etc [20:37] was pasteing intructions from xubuntu help site... [20:37] you need to tell me what error you get when you do what it says [20:38] dave@dave-desktop:~$ hplip-2.8.6.run [20:38] bash: hplip-2.8.6.run: command not found [20:38] dave@dave-desktop:~$ [20:38] davejustdave: we're not in DOS anymore, toto [20:39] the current working directory is not part of the path [20:39] you need to do ./hplip-2.8.6.run [20:39] you may need to: chmod 755 hplip-2.8.6.run [20:39] bash: ./hplip-2.8.6.run: No such file or directory [20:39] dave@dave-desktop:~$ [20:39] before you do that [20:39] davejustdave: you need to figure out where it download it to [20:39] downloaded it* [20:40] probably in Desktop/ [20:40] its on my desktop [20:40] i.e.: cd Desktop; chmod 755 hplip-2.8.6.run; ./hplip-2.8.6.run [20:40] but wat do i no lol [20:40] paste that whole line after cd desktop; ? [20:41] from cd desktop; and onwards [20:42] sweet seems to be working [20:42] unless you explicitly open a file with mode 755, you won't have an executable, and since there's no semantic data exchanged between the server and your browser to tell you that it *should* be executable, so you have to explicitly chmod it to 755 (world executable/readable, global executable/readable) [20:42] oops hers another problem [20:42] BUT WAT DO I NO LOL [20:42] every time it asks me for password it wil not allow me to type anything [20:42] (open a file when you create it, that is) [20:43] davejustdave: yes it does [20:43] you just can't see yourself typing [20:43] it just dont show it ahhh [20:43] (a feature, not a bug) [20:43] running again [20:44] davejustdave, you should be able to right click the file and under the "Permissions" tab select "Allow to run as executable" or something along those lines [20:44] or that lol [20:44] didnt try anything like that (new to linux) [20:45] right click the dowload choose properties then permissions tab [20:46] it doesnt seem to allow changes [20:46] on that tab [20:46] davejustdave, who is the owner? [20:46] me [20:46] davejustdave, is that what it says on that tab? [20:47] yup owner = dave [20:50] And what access to you have? [20:50] its my computer i installed xubuntu yesterday [20:50] i can smaxh it with a hammer if i want [20:50] davejustdave, no, I mean, there's an "Access" heading below that :) [20:51] read and write but... ther is no ooptions on the access section [20:52] when terminal is done should i just try to print something or go to the network setup [20:52] davejustdave: go to the network/printer/whatever setup you went to before [20:53] and look for the driver with the correct model #? [20:53] yes [21:01] good night [21:01] gnite [21:23] TacticalPenguin [21:23] i like that name [21:23] thanks lol [21:24] so i have this old laptop [21:24] 233mhz pentium 2 with 96MB of ram and a 3gb hdd if i remember the specs right [21:24] would a lightened up xubuntu install run on that or should i try something lighter like puppy? [21:24] TacticalPenguin: i'd try something lighter [21:24] k [21:24] TacticalPenguin: you might get away with using the alternate install [21:25] and for the love of God keep away from firefox [21:25] haha [21:25] yea haha [21:25] the alt install is the simple text installer rather than livecd, correct? [21:25] yes [21:25] k thanks [21:25] TacticalPenguin: i'm not sure, but, i think it gives you more control over what you install [21:26] yea i seem to recall seeing it having several more than the standard 7 pages [21:26] oh good [21:27] you might even want to try another window manager, depending on what you want to do with it [21:27] windowmaker comes to mind [21:28] im not quite sure yet, ill either use it as just an old internet computer or if that doesnt work out ill put something WAY light on it and turn it into a LAMP server [21:29] TacticalPenguin: if you're not planning to run some gtk+ app near-constantly, then it'd be worth switching [21:29] hey [21:29] like to windowmaker (i miss it) [21:29] hi AlexJP :) [21:29] hey charlie [21:29] hmmm [21:29] Hey AlexJP [21:29] charlie? [21:29] hey winnl [21:29] haha [21:29] random names :D [21:29] how much lighter is flux than xfce? [21:30] AlexJP: you can call me lawrence [21:30] TacticalPenguin: that depends [21:30] im on the internet, wirelessy and using xubuntu! [21:30] something worked [21:30] lol ok lawrence [21:30] AlexJP, yay! :) [21:30] lc2, I think he meant -tca :) [21:30] haha im usually running eeexubuntu [21:30] Hello [21:30] i dont know what worked, but hey [21:31] got it on an SD card, but currently using the default eee pc xandros since i needed some storage space and thus a different SD card [21:31] TacticalPenguin: if you're using *any* GTK+ app near constantly, then you lose nearly nothing by xfce (as compared to nothing) because of the way shared libraries work [21:31] AlexJP: happy to hear that :D [21:31] lc2 what irc app are you using? [21:31] some messages you send are red [21:31] AlexJP: irssi (terminal client) [21:31] cool [21:31] probably because he puts your name in them [21:32] and yours highlights them since theyre to you [21:32] oh [21:32] i see [21:32] yes :) [21:32] * charlie-tca :0 [21:32] AlexJP: see? [21:32] so you type my name out every time you write a message? [21:32] * charlie-tca :) [21:32] to me* [21:32] AlexJP, and you can type the first letters of a name and press to have ti completed :) [21:32] *it [21:32] AlexJP: no, i type the...yeah what vinnl said [21:32] xD [21:32] :) [21:33] vinnl, i see now [21:33] :) [21:33] this is better than mirc [21:33] pidgin does that tab trick as well [21:33] i just never use it [21:33] i should switch to a nice GTK client just as i switched to nice GUI things for everything else, but meh [21:33] nah i didnt like the look of pidgin [21:33] but for other aspects pidgin sucks [21:33] irssi is so deeply rooted in my workflow [21:33] lol you use irc for work? [21:33] i use it since it runs on almost any OS you find [21:33] and its simple [21:33] AlexJP: and by "work" i mean "fucking off" [21:34] "workflow" is a shorthand way of saying "the way i do things" [21:34] Btw, people, perhaps this discussion should move to #xubuntu-offtopic :) [21:34] cool [21:34] vinnl: never [21:35] i realised why this is working now anyway [21:35] i turned off the wep [21:35] haha [21:35] not good [21:35] well, i thought all people can do is use my internet right? [21:35] and its not limite in anyway so i just left it [21:35] AlexJP: and read everything you send without encryption [21:36] hahahaha [21:36] but my data is sent to the router ? [21:36] alex you NEED to at LEAST have WEP [21:36] lc2, but who does that? [21:36] vinni its called wireshark [21:36] indeed. [21:36] TacticalPenguin, I know, but I know of nobody in my neighbourhood who'd use it [21:36] (Except for me, of course :P) [21:36] driveby hacking [21:37] wireless sucks anyway [21:37] Who'd drive through my street, in my little town, just to see what I'm browsing? [21:37] isnt the data addressed to the router though [21:37] not really, my connection isnt fast enough for wifi to be a bottleneck lol [21:37] AlexJP: it doesn't matter [21:37] I get laughed often just for strong passwords [21:37] AlexJP, it's about catching the wireless signal [21:37] TacticalPenguin: it's a bottleneck if you're talking to other computers on the network [21:37] vinni its still a huge security issue [21:37] it's all about the cat5e, baby. [21:37] ok, what about data on ssl pages? [21:37] cant read that right? [21:38] AlexJP: mostly, yes [21:38] TacticalPenguin, I know you connection *can* be eavesdropped, I'm just wondering whether it *will* [21:38] lc2 my network has 3 comps, my eee pc, a VAIO, and that old comp [21:38] TacticalPenguin: my network has two other computers [21:38] Passwords is another thing of course, as hacking those don't need physical access [21:38] s/physical access/being close by/ [21:38] TacticalPenguin: and i kinda like the look of wiring mess ;\ [21:38] lol [21:38] lc2 i dont do any big network fileserving or communication or anything [21:38] ok ill try and get it on with wpa [21:38] so i dont really need to get rid of the wireless bottleneck [21:38] TacticalPenguin: i still prefer wired connections [21:39] all 3 are on wireless anyways [21:39] btw: is wpa2 supported by xubuntu in any way? [21:39] AlexJP, it's supposed to, yes [21:39] lol [21:39] AlexJP: i'm guessing that's handled by the card, not by the OS [21:39] but wat do i no lol [21:39] * vinnl remembers fiddling with wpa_supplicant and what not until I was told my *card* did not support WPA :S [21:39] well, it would seem that you have to have drivers that support it or some such [21:39] the OS has to have drivers so that the card CAN do that [21:39] not really. [21:39] (That was before networkmanager was included and network-admin suppoted WPA) [21:40] how come for wpa support you must install wpa_supplicant then? [21:40] because the linux gods said so [21:40] lol [21:40] dont suppose anyone knows about setting up wpa on x [21:41] well im off to find new distractions to prevent productivity [21:41] cya [21:41] by x i mean xubuntu but thats long [21:41] AlexJP, I've been fiddling with it a while ago, but I'm not really up to date [21:41] AlexJP, it should just be a matter of entering the passphrase [21:41] Just like with WEP [21:41] do you reckon itd just be a case of doing it in wicd? [21:42] i think my previous problem was with dhcp [21:42] wlan0 wasnt getting any dhcp offers when i ran dhlient wlan0 [21:42] just timing out [21:42] AlexJP, see http://doc.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/internet.html#security [21:42] ps: sorry about the multi lines thing again, i really need to sort that out [21:43] AlexJP, I believe wicd supported WPA [21:43] But you'd have to check [21:43] it does, but it has a bit saying choose wpa driver, i didnt know whether to choose ndiswrapper or what [21:44] AlexJP, are you using ndiswrapper? [21:44] ndiswrapper is a linux kernel wrapper around windows drivers, basically a driver compatibility layer for network cards [21:44] (You'd know if you're using it :) [21:44] it's also a good way to make your kernel fuck itself more than a camwhore [21:44] i am using it [21:44] Then you'd select that, I guess [21:45] ok i didnt know if that was, in fact, the wpa driver, wasnt sure if wpa_supplicant was a driveR? [21:46] lc2, 1: is there something wrong with ndiswrapper? 2: whats a camwhore? [21:46] AlexJP: 1) yes 2) long story [21:46] AlexJP, if ndiswrapper is listed as one of the options I'd say you need to select it :) [21:47] Hmm, this isn't a good moment to take a screenshot of IRC :( [21:48] vinnl: haha :D [21:48] :S [21:48] hang on ill google it [21:50]