[20:55] <Sunny_Xdude> hi
[21:22] <nalioth> @now
[23:01] <nalioth> ok, who all is here?
[23:01] <cody-somerville> I'm here
[23:02] <nickrud> me
[23:02] <Flannel> I am
[23:04] <jussi01> me
[23:04] <jarlen> hey
[23:04] <Pici> Apologies, I lost track of time.
[23:05] <nalioth> we're waiting on other council members
[23:08] <Pici> oh.
[23:09]  * Pici twiddles this thumbs
[23:09]  * nickrud 's coworkers are beginning to think I'm scamming them, trying to get out of work
[23:10] <nalioth> nickrud: this is an important meeting
[23:10] <nalioth> can't you tell?
[23:10] <nickrud> nalioth absolutely. Last to know, first to show ;)
[23:11] <nalioth> i have things to cover, but really don't want to begin w/o the other councilors
[23:12] <nalioth> anyone got their phone or pager numbers?
[23:13]  * jussi01 looks
[23:14]  * stdin looks in
[23:15] <jussi01> nope, nothing, sorry :/
[23:15] <PriceChild> Right I'm back, sorry for being late.
[23:15] <jussi01> yay
[23:16] <PriceChild> I had a few things too, but haven't added them to the wiki yet. *checks its current status*
[23:16] <jussi01> waiting on elkbuntu now?
[23:18] <PriceChild> we'll give her till when my clock says 20 past, then me and nalioth can fight over who starts.
[23:18] <PriceChild> Speaking for myself, I think my points for this meeting are simply for openning discussion/beginning things, rather than making decisions here and now.
[23:21] <PriceChild> Right lets start.
[23:22] <PriceChild> 1. Ubuntustudio & The IRC Council
[23:24] <PriceChild> So this is mainly an FYI. The Ubuntu Studio (I believe) are happy with the IRC Council's management of channels, and would like to make sure we can look after theirs, which will also help keep them in the core ubuntu community and governance structure.
[23:25] <PriceChild> This means that they probably need to make a little mini statement, on the wiki or their ML etc. and we go through the GCF process with freenode to ensure we can fix things if they go wrong.
[23:26] <PriceChild> Hey _MMA_
[23:26] <_MMA_> PriceChild: Ya shoulda poked me. :P
[23:27] <PriceChild> _MMA_: sorry :)
[23:28] <PriceChild> Right so hopefully, the irc council can sort this out with the ubuntustudio leadership, ensure both sides are happy and things get done. I don't think there's much more to say about it tbh?
[23:28] <jussi01> not from me.
[23:28] <PriceChild> So a, mini statement b, gcf
[23:28] <_MMA_> Nothing really to "sort" but to do it right?
[23:29] <PriceChild> Yup.
[23:29] <PriceChild> Anyone got any comments on that before we move on?
[23:29] <Pici> I have no comments.
[23:29] <jussi01> we can do that :)
[23:29] <PriceChild> Oh one point...
[23:30] <PriceChild> with the irc council getting gc status with freenode etc... the council and ubuntu-irc is *not* going to take over the management of all their channels etc. etc.
[23:30] <PriceChild> The leadership there will stay as they are, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". And the 'ubuntu-irc' team on launchpad will remain a group of operators the council reccomends if any group needs some.
[23:31] <_MMA_> PriceChild: SOunds good here.
[23:31] <PriceChild> So as far as everyone but the council is concerned... things stay exactly as they were :)
[23:31] <PriceChild> nalioth: want to do the next one?
[23:32] <nalioth> as you folks may have noticed, the council is down a couple of folks
[23:33] <nalioth> we'd like to accept nominations for 2 people to assume positions on it
[23:34] <nickrud> I don't know if he's interested, but I'd nominate ompaul
[23:34] <PriceChild> steady on there :)
[23:34] <nalioth> plesae send your nominations to irc-council@lists.ubuntu.com
[23:35] <cody-somerville> I nominate Alan Pope (popey) and Nick Ali (boredandblogging).
[23:35]  * nickrud hates slow typists, he thinks they're done ;)
[23:36] <Pici> Can nominations come from non irc-team members?
[23:36] <jussi01> nalioth: what would you like in the email? just a name? or more?
[23:36] <PriceChild> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/IrcCouncil roughly outlines the process of nominations.
[23:36] <nalioth> jussi01: eventually, there will be a vote
[23:37] <PriceChild> I think the best way to go is for people to decide themselves whether they want to run or not, and notify the IRC Council.
[23:38] <PriceChild> Best way is through irc-council@lists.ubuntu.com
[23:38] <cody-somerville> Is it still a requirement that an IRC Council candidate has to have the support of atleast one existing member of the council?
[23:38] <PriceChild> cody-somerville: the wiki explains requirements
[23:38] <elkbuntu> awake now
[23:38] <jussi01> yay :D
[23:38] <cody-somerville> PriceChild, I'm simply asking for clarification.
[23:39] <PriceChild> cody-somerville: - The nominees support from at least one active IRC Council member (essential)
[23:39] <PriceChild> The IRC Council will send a mail to ubuntu-irc@l.u.c so that nobody misses it, and maybe post a few more announcements elsewhere.
[23:39] <jussi01> By what date should nominations be in?
[23:40] <PriceChild> We'll probably set a deadline in that email. (now elky's back we can decide now)
[23:40] <elkbuntu> try not to make it so early on a weekend for me. as you see it makes it prone to failure
[23:40] <PriceChild> then we'll publish the list of candidates that would like to run, and you should all either post testimonials on their wiki pages, or send a mail to irc-council@l.u.c with your opinions
[23:41] <elkbuntu> if dont get my weekend sleepins, i burn out during the week from the commute
[23:41] <cody-somerville> PriceChild, How many people can one person nominate?
[23:41] <PriceChild> Finally, the council will add their annotations, and forward the list to the community council, who make the decision, after perhaps getting us a little more involved.
[23:42] <PriceChild> Please someone shout up if that all seems silly or doesn't follow the wiki page or could be done better :)
[23:42] <nalioth> cody-somerville: he amended it to "let folks nominate themselves"
[23:42] <PriceChild> cody-somerville: "1216507069 20080719T233749 < PriceChild> I think the best way to go is for people to decide themselves whether they want to run or not, and notify the IRC  Council.
[23:42] <PriceChild> "
[23:43] <cody-somerville> ok
[23:43] <PriceChild> by all means give them a poke if they don't follow the ubuntu-irc ML and think they'd be interested.
[23:44] <jussi01> PriceChild: so, to clarify, for those interested they should send a mail nominationting themselves to the irc-council ML ???
[23:45] <nalioth> jussi01: correct
[23:45] <jussi01> ok, good, thats clear then.
[23:45] <PriceChild> jussi01: I think that's the way to go, I'd rather not have lots of emails nominating people who aren't interested. As I said above, if you want to nominate someone, tell them, and if they're interested they'll go for it :)
[23:47] <PriceChild> nalioth: elkbuntu: Happy with the above? Anything you would like to add/correct/change... or still catching up?
[23:47] <nalioth> PriceChild: it all looks good
[23:47] <jussi01> I have actually something to bring up, if someone wants to let me know an appropriate time for that.
[23:48] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, probably not wise i try comment while still rubbing sleep from my eyes
[23:49] <PriceChild> elkbuntu: right well when you catch up on it, just give me a bell. I'll probably find your messages about this time tomorrow. I might also draft the email and drop it on a pastebin tonight before I disappear.
[23:49] <PriceChild> Cool, so moving on.
[23:51] <elkbuntu> have fun. make sure you heckle jono heaps
[23:51] <PriceChild> jussi01: so what do you have for us?
[23:52] <jussi01> PriceChild: I wanted to propose/discus the idea of having shorter terms for council members -say, 1 year, perhaps.
[23:53] <PriceChild> I think this is something to bring up with the CC tbh.
[23:53] <jussi01> ok.
[23:53] <PriceChild> I personally see no problem with 2 year terms....
[23:54] <PriceChild> *AS LONG AS* people follow the CoC/LCoC and "step down considerably" type thing :)
[23:54] <PriceChild> as well as all the other clauses
[23:54] <jussi01> hehe, I just dont feel people should have to commit for that long - alot of things can happen in the space of 2 years.
[23:55] <elkbuntu> the irc council has a considerably smaller pool of people to derive from, in some cases it's not ideal to enforce a 1yr limit
[23:55] <PriceChild> Of course yes.
[23:55] <PriceChild> Although there is a commitment, we can still step down if we can no longer fulfill our duties.
[23:56] <nickrud> Is there any reason that stints on the council couldn't be consecutive?
[23:56] <cody-somerville> They can be
[23:56] <cody-somerville> the wiki says so
[23:56] <jussi01> nickrud: the wiki says they can be re-elected
[23:56] <nickrud> so, one year commitments with an option for renewal ;)
[23:56]  * cody-somerville nods.
[23:57] <PriceChild> But the CC approves the document, so if there is an issue with that then I think we need to draw up a proposal on the wiki, add discussion and add it to the agenda for one of their meetings.
[23:58] <PriceChild> So any other items people want to bring to the table?
[23:59] <nalioth> for those of you who aren't aware of this page:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda                y'all can fill it in as you think of stuff
[23:59] <nalioth> any other business?