[00:13] <AlexJP> hey
[00:13] <AlexJP> anyone here?
[00:15] <cody-somerville> Yup :)
[00:15] <AlexJP> my ethernet interface has disappeared, from ifconfig and from lshw -C network. any idea what i can do to get it back?
[00:17] <AlexJP> cody-somerville, got any ideas mate?
[00:17] <cody-somerville> AlexJP, use the network manager applet :)
[00:19] <charlie-tca> AlexJP: Does it still work?
[03:57] <TRON> ...
[03:58] <Genelyk1> Cody ,  remove  all  games  :D
[04:02] <TRON> lol
[04:46] <SaGe> Hello everyone
[04:47] <SaGe> I am planning to install Xubuntu on a desktop. The computer in question has 512mb of ram, plenty of harddrive space, and probably the best PCI card (not Pci-e, it is old).
[04:48] <SaGe> Does anyone see a problem with this? I believe it runs a pentium 4
[04:48] <SaGe> Man, irc is dead.
[04:48] <charlie-tca> It should be just fine. You can run the LiveCD (Desktop) to verify that everything works
[04:49] <charlie-tca> Then you know before the install.
[04:49] <SaGe> Okay, will it run faster then ubuntu?
[04:49] <SaGe> I haven't seen any recent benchmarks between the two, so I am not sure what the difference in performance is between xfce and gnome.
[04:50] <charlie-tca> No guarantees, but I think so. Mine are a 1.5Mhz P4 and 400Mhz PII. They are both faster with Xubuntu
[04:50] <SaGe> just that xfce is 'lighter.' lol.
[04:50] <SaGe> how much ram?
[04:50] <charlie-tca> One finally got 1GB and one has 256MB
[04:50] <SaGe> Alright.
[04:51] <SaGe> I am setting it up for my parents, so it should be pretty user friendly
[04:51] <charlie-tca> Use the alternate Installation CD if you are short of ram
[04:51] <SaGe> I figure if I just make one big menu bar at the bottom similar to windows, and have their apps on there it should be friendly enough :)
[04:51] <SaGe> 512mb of ram
[04:51] <charlie-tca> It should be user friendly, and they won't have to worry about viruses, either.
[04:51] <SaGe> whats the difference between alternate and the regular?
[04:52] <charlie-tca> 512 mb ram is plenty. The alternate CD is the text installer, it doesn't have all the fancy graphics for installing.
[04:52] <charlie-tca> The regular is the Desktop CD, otherwise called a Live CD. You can run it before the installation and
[04:53] <SaGe> Also, any word on how well it works on laptops? I also am planning on fixing up a laptop, its fairly new with ddr2 memory (1GB), but the processor is slow, and the machine is very bloated with XP (which came with tons and tons of asus crap)
[04:53] <charlie-tca> see what Xubuntu is like.
[04:53] <charlie-tca> Then you can install from it.,
[04:53] <charlie-tca> it.
[04:53] <SaGe> yea, i thought the only difference was text vs gui.
[04:53] <charlie-tca> I have no experience with it on laptops
[04:53] <SaGe> I have installed ubuntu before, just like to get opinions before messing around with it :)
[04:54] <SaGe> It should work fairly well, i think i'll just get a big jump from the fact that it doesnt have everything and the kitchen sink loading at startup
[04:54] <charlie-tca> Dell seems difficult to work with, for some reason.
[04:54] <SaGe> Yea, i couldn't get Ubuntu working properly on my desktop for a long while, hardy seemed to make everything click though, which is great.
[04:55] <SaGe> I use xfce/gnome on my desktop, its nice being able to use both. I think i prefer xfce for many things, but gnome can be more reliable at times.
[04:55] <charlie-tca> Yes, the installation has advanced a lot now. I loaded it on a couple of systems now, and like it.
[04:55] <charlie-tca> The advantage being you can do that!
[04:56] <SaGe> Before I had to tag on a bunch of flags to the boot, especially noapic which was annoying. Also it kept giving me 'fd0' errors, because I dont have a floppy drive but it kept trying to load it... made it load 10 seconds slower till I changed a few things
[04:57] <SaGe> The installation I have now, with only a few very tiny tweaks ( i am still very much a linux newbie) gives me quite the quick startup, so much better then XP, even after a few years worth of tweaking.
[04:57] <SaGe> Do you know of any distros similar to xubuntu? In that they are light-weight but generally userfriendly?
[04:58] <SaGe> for example i know fluxbox etc. are very light weight, but aren't anything like a normal desktop (trying to figure out an alternative to xubuntu for my parents)
[04:58] <charlie-tca> I can't think of them right now, but there are some based on Xubuntu.
[04:58] <SaGe> I think there is Fluxbuntu, but I am not sure if I want to give that a go.
[04:59] <SaGe> I guess I'll see how well Xubuntu does, if its still slow i will look for something else :)
[04:59] <charlie-tca> good idea!
[04:59] <charlie-tca> good luck :)
[04:59] <SaGe> heh thanks
[05:01] <charlie-tca> My turn to say goodnight.
[05:51] <Spaceraver> hello everyone... anybody up for providing me with some help on fstab?
[05:52] <SaGe> try #ubuntu, its more active and has a tonne of info. Other alternatives are Google :D
[05:52] <SaGe> I myself am not experienced enough to help you :(
[05:53] <Spaceraver> i used google to no avail... but ill try ubuntu then
[06:21] <zoredache> Spaceraver: whats the problem?
[06:23] <Spaceraver> i needed the uuid of my disks.. and ls-l /dev/disk/by-uuid did not work... got a solution on ubuntu.. but thanks anyway... now i just need to generate my locale... it sticks... on high cpu and no IO
[06:24] <Spaceraver> remind me never to do a dist-upgrade...
[06:28] <zoredache> dist-upgrades are usually fine as long as you stick to installing stuff from the offiical repositories
[06:39] <Spaceraver> the problem is the locales
[06:39] <Spaceraver> seems it is a bug
[06:40] <Spaceraver> attempting to do this via putty is annoying... but the only way i can use the internet at the same time
[06:41] <zoredache> what is the problem with the locales?
[06:41] <Spaceraver> let me list the problems as they occur...
[06:41] <Spaceraver> i did a dist-upgrade...
[06:42] <Spaceraver> somewhere along the line power goes out and i boot the machine again...
[06:42] <Spaceraver> so i tell apt to do a update/upgrade.
[06:43] <Spaceraver> tells me to use dpkg --configure -a.. no problem.. done it before to solve stuff...
[06:44] <Spaceraver> only this time it gets stuck on full cpu load with no work done... htop lists it doing absolutely nothing
[06:44] <Spaceraver> other than eating my cpu...
[06:55] <S0210> Hello! The frames of my windows have disappeared. I have no clue what to do ... :-(((
[07:09] <zoredache> S0210: try doing an 'alt-f2' then running 'xfwm4'
[07:09] <S0210> Ah... xfwm4 was restarted and it's done.
[07:09] <S0210> Ugh.
[07:09] <S0210> :-)
[07:09] <S0210> Thanks
[07:42] <Spaceraver> yay... now it works... sort of
[07:50] <Spaceraver> now i just need to kill a pid 11272.. but how...
[07:52] <zoredache> sudo kill 11272
[08:24] <Spaceraver> nm... it's time for an overhaul...
[08:25] <Spaceraver> will try flux and transmission...
[08:25] <Spaceraver> but i did mangage to mount my file systems
[11:04] <bassboi> anyone alive
[11:56] <bassboi> i must say... compiz fusion is nice
[12:17] <bassboi> ...very nice.
[12:50] <Brezell> HI. Some questions before migratin from Gentoo to Xubuntu on an old notebook. 1.) Is it possible to disable the WM, so that the machine bootsinto the command line, and XFCE is started manually only when eeded? 2.) Does OOo work woithout problems? It does on the current installation, also performance wise.
[12:53] <bassboi> may take a while
[12:54] <Brezell> what may take a while? Getting an answer? :-)
[12:54] <bassboi> yup
[12:54] <Brezell> k, np
[12:57] <thomas___> hi
[12:57] <bassboi> hihi
[12:58] <thomas___> newbie question: can I deinstall gdm and start xfce manually every time i log in?
[12:58] <bassboi> <~ newbie myself
[12:59] <bassboi> bored on irc
[12:59] <bassboi> so you want to get rid of gnome, and use xfce?
[12:59] <bassboi> and be able to start xfce manually?
[12:59] <Brezell> thomas___: Ok, tnx, ubuntusuers and with it the FAQ is down. Probably I will find most of my questions answered therem when its up again.
[13:00] <Brezell> bassboi: I want to get rid of Gentoo :-)
[13:01] <bassboi> ah i was speakin to thomas___
[13:01] <Brezell> k
[13:01] <thomas___> i already got rid of gnome and am using xfce but my laptop sometimes hangs up when i'm trying to logout. maybe its the gdm!?
[13:28] <bassboi> i have returned
[13:29] <bassboi> 730AM on a sat morning
[13:29] <bassboi> wtf am i doing awake
[13:29] <bassboi> i should be passed out drunk
[13:29] <bassboi> from like, 3 hours ago
[14:31] <heath> what is the XFCE irc progaram ?
[14:32] <Brezell> Trying to install Xubuntu on ols Sony notebook. After boot it drops me in busybox with the prompt (initramfs) and nothing happens anymore. WHat gives?
[14:32] <charlie-tca> I use x-chat, but not gnome-x-chat
[14:33] <charlie-tca> Brezell: which version of Xubuntu are you installing?
[16:28] <Bill_MI> Greetings!  Loaded the xubuntu-desktop in Ubuntu.  Nice!  I'm finding Xfce4's interaction with compiz-fusion quite different than Gnome.  Is this because the base install is packaged for Gnome?
[16:29] <snadge> im trying to figure out how to update your kernel on a wubi install
[16:30] <TheSheep> that's possible, there are lots of gnome-specific tools for compiz
[16:30] <snadge> it seems the windows partition has its own grub boot loader
[16:30] <Bill_MI> Hi TheSheep.  Many xfce settings... like margins... cannot be set when compiz is running?
[16:30] <snadge> but that it has no interaction with the update manager and packaging system etc
[16:31] <Bill_MI> I'm becoming a big fan of xfce.
[16:31] <TheSheep> Bill_MI: yeah, many settings are handled by the xfwm4
[16:32] <Bill_MI> Would things be different on a xubuntu install?  Or the same?
[16:32] <TheSheep> Bill_MI: in particular, window placing, decorations, focus stealing prevention, etc.
[16:32] <TheSheep> Bill_MI: same
[16:33] <Bill_MI> I was thinking compiz copied settings from Gnome or something... but that didn't happen with xfce.
[16:34] <TheSheep> Bill_MI: yeah, compiz doesn't know how to read xfce's settings
[16:34] <Bill_MI> In diagnosing compiz issues I ended up dependant on fusion-icon to control the desktop manager.  Seems xfce gets strange without it, now.
[16:35] <Bill_MI> I think sessions aren't being saved or something.
[16:36] <Bill_MI> I appreciate the info, TheSheep.
[16:39] <Bill_MI> Take care folks.  I'm excited xfce is permanently in my futre. :-)
[16:42] <whileimhere> Hi. I want to customize my XFCE desktop a bit. Any suggestions on a site to help with that other than XFCE-look?
[16:42] <whileimhere> Also how much does it lighten the system up if I tell XFCE not to manage my desktop?
[16:57] <whileimhere> such a quiet room
[17:13] <Genelyk> plop
[17:13] <redwyrm> plop?
[17:30] <Genelyk> jijiji
[17:30] <Genelyk> condorito = plop
[17:31] <TheSheep> !en
[17:36] <Genelyk> -.-
[17:37] <TheSheep> that's a japanese smiley, use english ones! ;)
[17:38] <Genelyk> :-/
[17:41]  * cody-somerville grins.
[17:54] <evilbug> how can i make a complete backup of my system?
[17:54] <cody-somerville> evilbug, image your hard drive
[17:54] <evilbug> how do i do that?
[18:11] <TheSheep> dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/some/file/outside/of/your/hdd
[18:12] <TheSheep> this will make a complete image of /dev/sda1
[18:12] <TheSheep> of course you need to have eough space for that on the other disk
[18:30] <evilbug> thanks
[18:30] <evilbug> the size of my xubuntu is only 3.1gb with everything...
[18:31] <evilbug> how can i create a color scheme file for gedit?
[18:38] <TheSheep> evilbug: see the existing ones in /usr/share/gtksourceview2
[18:38] <TheSheep> evilbug: put yours in ~/.local/share/gtksourceview2/...
[18:39] <evilbug> and how do i make my own custom scheme?
[18:39] <TheSheep> evilbug: here's an example of a style I made: http://sheep.art.pl/2007-12-13_toys
[18:40] <TheSheep> check gedit's wiki page on live.gnome.org
[18:41] <evilbug> thanks.
[21:19] <TRON> hy!
[21:20] <gaurdro> hello
[21:22] <AlexJP> hey, if im running xubuntu with a xfe environ, do i need to have the gnome processes running?
[21:22] <AlexJP> xfce***
[21:23] <j1mc> AlexJP: there are some gnome processes that do run as part of xfce on xubuntu.
[21:23] <AlexJP> so i cant get rid of them?
[21:24] <j1mc> no, i wouldn't recommend it.  what ones do you want to get rid of?
[21:27] <AlexJP> gnome system monitor is the worst one
[21:30] <AlexJP> does that have to stay?
[21:31] <TheSheep> AlexJP: no, you can close it
[21:31] <TheSheep> AlexJP: it's the program you're using to display the processes
[21:31] <AlexJP> lol
[21:31] <AlexJP> does it only run when i run the system monitor?
[21:31] <TheSheep> yes
[21:31] <AlexJP> oh
[21:32] <AlexJP> ok cool it doesnt matter then
[21:35] <jimmy_the_saint> There are a lot of threads in the forums regarding power management issues that remain unresolved.
[21:35] <jimmy_the_saint> I think I have discovered a serious problem that results in most of them.   The power manager doesn't seem to actually affect the system at all!
[21:36] <jimmy_the_saint> no matter what settings are enabled with the gnome power manager or gconf, nothing actually takes effect
[21:36] <jimmy_the_saint> is this a known issue?
[21:41] <AlexJP> does kate run on xubuntu?
[21:41] <jimmy_the_saint> it should.  It will load a lot of qt stuff though.  shouldn't be an issue unless you have a slow machine.
[21:41] <j1mc> AlexJP: it sure would - any special reason to use it instead of mousepad
[21:42] <jimmy_the_saint> You can install gedit and activate the plugins to get a similar editor with similar features without the extra qt stuff
[21:44] <TheSheep> there are lots of gtk-based advanced editors
[21:46] <TheSheep> http://www.gnomefiles.org/subcategory.php?sub_cat_id=66
[21:47] <TheSheep> gedit, geany, anjuta, scite...
[21:48] <j1mc> bluefish, too
[21:48] <j1mc> geany is very light.  i like it.
[21:48] <TheSheep> j1mc: isn't bluefish for xml?
[21:49] <j1mc> i use it for xml, yeah.  you can also use it for C, dhtml, html, php+html, php, or sql
[21:55] <TheSheep> j1mc: yeah, geany is nicem shame it uses gtksourceview and not gtksourceview2
[22:00] <AlexJP> jlmc im using it because it "understands" programming
[22:01] <AlexJP> with the highlighting and stuff
[22:04] <AlexJP> unless theres a real light one which supports highlighting and indenting for python that u know of?
[22:05] <j1mc> AlexJP: not sure, sorry.  :/
[22:06] <cody-somerville> I hear emacs and vim are good
[22:07] <AlexJP> kate seems fine for now :-) just set it up
[22:07] <cody-somerville> gedit is what I use
[22:08] <David-A> cody-somerville: i just joined the channel, was "I hear emacs and vim are good" an answer or a question?
[22:08] <cody-somerville> David-A, an answer :P
[22:08] <TheSheep> David-A: a fact
[22:09] <j1mc> haha
[22:10] <David-A> "a fact": i know, i use emacs all the time
[22:13] <takhs_o_asxhmos> xubuntu is the best
[22:14] <David-A> takhs_o_asxhmos: was that an answer or a question?
[22:14] <takhs_o_asxhmos> my answer is...
[22:14] <takhs_o_asxhmos> how am i gonna get my new lexmark z1320 printer to work?
[22:15] <takhs_o_asxhmos> with my previous lexmark z612
[22:15] <takhs_o_asxhmos> everything was cool
[22:15] <takhs_o_asxhmos> but this printer don't wanna work
[22:19] <cody-somerville> : (
[22:21] <David-A> ) :
[22:22] <takhs_o_asxhmos> anybody knows anything about it?
[22:24] <David-A> takhs_o_asxhmos: no (I tried to install drivs for a Z33 and failed, twice, gave up and bought a brother printer/scanner)
[22:25] <takhs_o_asxhmos> my previous printer was ok with z600 drivers
[22:25] <takhs_o_asxhmos> but i bought a new one and now i can't make it work
[22:26] <takhs_o_asxhmos> i'm looking for a ppd file to make it work
[22:27] <David-A> !enlightenment
[22:33] <stefano75> ciao a tutti
[22:48] <AlexJP> anyone here
[22:49] <David-A> 64 persons
[22:49] <cody-somerville> yes sir
[23:03] <Genelyk> not 1 is bot
[23:03] <Genelyk> xD!
[23:04] <jimmy_the_saint> I always wanted to be a bot, but alas, I am human
[23:26] <SaGe> Quick question: How do i restore the default xfce4-panel?
[23:27] <TheSheep> the configuration is saved in ~/.config/xfce4/panel/
[23:27] <TheSheep> if you close the panel and delete the config, defaults will be used
[23:27] <SaGe> Ah
[23:27] <SaGe> I just deleted the config, and it didn't work.
[23:27] <SaGe> That might be why
[23:27] <TheSheep> (if you just delete it and logout, panel will save its current config on logout, so it's a little tricky)
[23:28] <SaGe> kk
[23:28] <TheSheep> you could also delete it from text console or different user
[23:28] <SaGe> okay
[23:28] <SaGe> I quit the panel, deleted the file, I should be good to log out, right?
[23:31] <SaGe> TheSheep: excellent, that worked. Thanks!
[23:40] <SuperMonster> I have a Dell Inspiron 530 I have been wanting to try Ubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu on, however when I put in the Ubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu/etc disks, and try to boot, I end up in BusyBox and Ubuntu will NOT fully boot past the scrolling logo and the scrolling bar.  One person on the forums asked that I try setting my SATA from IDE to RAID, I don't see how that could help?
[23:43] <SuperMonster> I have a Dell Inspiron 530 I have been wanting to try Ubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu on, however when I put in the Ubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu/etc disks, and try to boot, I end up in BusyBox and *Ubuntu will NOT fully boot past the scrolling logo and the scrolling bar.  One person on the forums asked that I try setting my SATA from IDE to RAID, I don't see how that could help?
[23:43] <TheSheep> !repeat | SuperMonster
[23:44] <SuperMonster> !DisconnectedAndDidn'tKnowIfQuestionGotThrough
[23:44] <SuperMonster> ok
[23:45] <TheSheep> SuperMonster: you could try lookng at dmesg -- this should give you some hints on what failed. Also, you could try various boot options -- they are needed for some hardware.
[23:45] <TheSheep> !boot | SuperMonster
[23:46] <SuperMonster> Erm, I am saying I am on windows now.  However, I wanted to try a version of Ubuntu, I put in the disk to do so, and it never makes it to install or the live session for this computer.
[23:47] <TheSheep> SuperMonster: you can specify the boot options on livecd boot too
[23:47] <TheSheep> SuperMonster: when you press f1 on that boot, you will have some details displayed
[23:48] <SuperMonster> Should I try disconnecting all non-needed stuff also, such as the externals ?
[23:48] <SuperMonster> Printer and so forth
[23:48] <TheSheep> SuperMonster: generally, ubuntu tries to autodetect everything where possible, but some hardware vendors make their hardware very buggy and hard to support
[23:49] <TheSheep> SuperMonster: no, it shouldn't be a problem, I think the problem now is to get your ubuntu to see your hard disk
[23:50] <SuperMonster> OK. So what I need to do is press F1 for options, to see if I can find something that will make it boot to the Live Session/Install/whatever ?
[23:50] <TheSheep> yes
[23:52] <TheSheep> changing some settings in bios may help too, of course
[23:52] <TheSheep> it's basically stabbing in the dark
[23:52] <SuperMonster> I don't understand the idea of changing the SATA from IDE to RAID though, as suggested in the forums ?
[23:53] <SuperMonster> Last time I did that, Windows (the current OS) would not boot, and I had to reset it back.
[23:54] <TheSheep> the idea is that maybe the RAID mode is less buggy :)
[23:55] <SuperMonster> However, if it wasn't able to see that I had Windows installed on the hard drive, wouldn't it not be able to "see" any OS ?
[23:55] <SuperMonster> Less of course I did have a RAID ?
[23:56] <TheSheep> no idea how it exactly works
[23:56] <TheSheep> maybe that person didn't knwo you have windows on it
[23:56] <TheSheep> know