[00:22]  * JontheEchidna wonders how long koffice will take to build
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> !!!1
[00:23] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 1
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> vorian: we're not actually building the panorama extension
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> vorian: http://pastebin.com/m1b42aca
[00:23] <Daskreech> Haha
[00:24] <JontheEchidna> *that's* why it ftbfs
[00:24]  * JontheEchidna is sooo extremely lucky he actually saw that
[00:24]  * JontheEchidna dances
[00:26] <JontheEchidna> vorian: I'll add those packages as build deps
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> or at least the one to fix the ftbfs, I can't find half of the other ones
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> Whee, 3% built
[00:38] <JontheEchidna> estimated build time 6 hours :(
[00:41] <djmaze> Does kubuntu support dual-screen with 1 screen rotated?
[00:41] <JontheEchidna> Any kind soul with a faster PC than mine care to testbuild koffice2?
[00:42] <Daskreech> icream
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> iCream?
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> Is that what apple fanbois do when a new iPhone is announced?
[00:42] <Daskreech> ice cream
[00:43] <djmaze> I want to replace the whole tech department from Windows to kubuntu but they use dualscreens including rotation.
[00:43] <djmaze> Or should i compile the kernel myself with the non-free nvidia drivers?
[00:43] <JontheEchidna> I don't think you need to compile the kernel yourself if you want the proprietary drivers
[00:44] <JontheEchidna> just install the drivers via the driver manager
[00:44] <JontheEchidna> Well, you would if you wanted the latest beta version of the drivers
[00:44] <djmaze> Most kernels don't support the full 3D "out of the box" and use midas isntead
[00:45] <djmaze> So i was wondering which approach would be best.
[00:49] <vorian> JontheEchidna: what kind o' system do ye have?
[00:50] <JontheEchidna> C-C-C-Compaq Breaker!
[00:50] <JontheEchidna> 2.5 GHZ Celeron
[00:50] <JontheEchidna> 640 MB RAM
[00:50] <vorian> groovie
[00:50] <JontheEchidna> ~5 years old
[00:50] <vorian> ok, It takes an hour on my machine
[00:50] <vorian> i'll build it
[00:51] <vorian> what did you add for build-deps?
[00:51] <JontheEchidna> I think it really needs libxbase
[00:51] <JontheEchidna> libgmm-dev,
[00:51] <JontheEchidna>  libxbase2.0-dev,
[00:51] <JontheEchidna> those two
[00:52] <JontheEchidna> I couldn't find any spnov or OpenCTL stuff, and it doesn't say it won't build anything without them
[00:52] <JontheEchidna> would you like me to send over the .dsc and diff.gz?
[00:52] <vorian> we should look into those libs
[00:53] <vorian> no, i'll just throw them in
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> ok
[00:54] <vorian> groovie
[00:54] <vorian> it's building away
[00:54] <JontheEchidna> Oh, and what about bug 214756?
[00:54] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 214756 in koffice2 "krita-kde4 installs kplato" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214756
[00:54] <vorian> hmmm
[00:54] <JontheEchidna> do they really depend on each other?
[00:55]  * JontheEchidna doesn't think libs would generally depend on binaries that depend on the libs
[00:55] <JontheEchidna> circular dependency ftl
[00:55] <vorian> that's odd
[00:56] <vorian> Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, koffice-data-kde4 (>= ${source:Version})
[00:56] <vorian> it doesn't even suggest or recommend either of those
[00:57] <vorian> koffice-libs-kde4, that is
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> maybe it got fixed in a recent merge/updated package?
[01:03] <vorian> koolio
[01:49] <vorian> arrgh, fail
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> D:
[01:54] <vorian> JontheEchidna: xbase needs some care
[01:54] <JontheEchidna> What kind of care?
[01:55] <vorian> i'm looking
[01:56] <vorian> http://paste.ubuntu.com/28580/
[01:56] <vorian> that's the failure (around 38%)
[01:57] <JontheEchidna> upstream bug that we need to patch?
[01:57]  * JontheEchidna isn't much for C++
[02:00] <vorian> hmm
[02:02] <vorian> iirc, keximigrate built fine w/o libxbase2.0-dev
[02:03] <JontheEchidna> I guess we could try building w/o it then
[02:03] <vorian> bug 249533
[02:03] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 249533 in koffice2 "New upstream release of koffice2 (1.9.95.9)" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/249533
[02:04] <JontheEchidna> ?
[02:05] <vorian> it sure did
[02:05] <vorian> -- Installing: /build/buildd/koffice2-1.9.96.0~that.is.really.1.9.95.8/debian/tmp/usr/share/kde4/servicetypes/keximigration_driver.desktop
[02:06] <JontheEchidna> heh
[02:06] <JontheEchidna> I guess cmake lied to us then?
[02:06] <vorian> kexi is fine
[02:07] <vorian> libgmm-dev should be the only missing build-dep
[02:07] <vorian> we'll see in an hour or so :)
[02:07] <JontheEchidna> heh
[02:07] <JontheEchidna> were there any other bugs you had in mind besides the "provide -dbg package" bug?
[02:08] <vorian> let's take a look
[02:08] <vorian> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/koffice2
[02:08] <JontheEchidna> already there ;)
[02:09] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, what's the policy on fiesty backports?
[02:10] <vorian> there is no way this will build in feisty
[02:11] <vorian> erm
[02:12] <JontheEchidna> Then I'll close bug 144860
[02:12] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 144860 in koffice2 "FTBFS on Feisty" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144860
[02:19] <ScottK> What's the issue with feisty-backports?
[02:19] <JontheEchidna> koffice2 won't build
[02:20] <JontheEchidna> heh, it's such an early build it's probably not worth fixing anyway
[02:21] <ScottK> Someone should ask Riddell to remove that one.
[02:21] <ScottK> We didn't backport other KDE4 stuff to Feisty did we?
[02:21] <JontheEchidna> Methinks that's why it fails
[02:22] <ScottK> It should have never been done.
[02:22] <ScottK> There are some KDE4 issues in gutsy-backports that need cleaned up.
[02:22]  * ScottK would be glad to sponsor uploads if someone would look into it.
[02:23] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Like what?
[02:24] <ScottK> Bug 193567 and Bug 187298
[02:24] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 193567 in gutsy-backports "koffice2 package broken" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193567
[02:24] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 187298 in gutsy-backports "kscan-kd4 file level conflict with kde4graphics" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187298
[02:24] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ^^
[02:24]  * JontheEchidna looks
[02:27] <JontheEchidna> So kdebase-runtime doesn't provide the binary package kdebase-runtime-bin
[02:27] <ScottK> Apparently not.
[02:27]  * ScottK wonders off.
[02:28] <JontheEchidna> kscan looks easy enough to fix
[02:35] <JontheEchidna> Needs moar transitional packagde
[02:36] <JontheEchidna> er, just a conflict I guess
[02:36] <vorian> kexi built
[02:38] <JontheEchidna> yay
[02:45] <JontheEchidna> Is there a way to add a conflict to everything in an entire source package?
[02:46] <JontheEchidna> Like if I add a conflict to kde4graphics in the kdegraphics-kde4 metapackage, would that effectively block all binary packages in kde4graphics?
[02:47] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: No.  It needs to be based on the binary packages.
[02:48]  * JontheEchidna thinks he needs to grab the kde4graphics source too
[02:48] <Daskreech> ;-)
[02:48] <Daskreech> how many hours to compile that?
[02:49] <JontheEchidna> no clue, heh
[02:49] <JontheEchidna> tarball is only 2.6 MB big
[02:53] <JontheEchidna> So every binary in kdegraphics-kde4 should conflict kde4graphics
[02:54] <JontheEchidna> and perhaps kde4graphics-data
[02:56]  * JontheEchidna is much happier with the current state of packaging
[02:57] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I think for gutsy-backports they were supposed to be co-installable.
[02:58] <ScottK> But I wasn't paying close attention, so I'm not certain.
[02:58]  * JontheEchidna doesn't see how they could coexist without giving bugs like that one
[02:59] <ScottK> They were supposed to install into a different directory I thought.
[02:59]  * JontheEchidna has the source for both so he can check
[03:02] <JontheEchidna> kde4graphics install stuff to /usr/lib/kde4
[03:02] <JontheEchidna> and so does kdegraphics-kde4
[03:09] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: debdiff attached to bug
[03:10] <JontheEchidna> bug 187298
[03:10] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 187298 in gutsy-backports "kscan-kd4 file level conflict with kde4graphics" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187298
[03:23] <vorian> well that's not fun
[03:25] <vorian> ok JontheEchidna, here's where you stand with your current changes with koffice2 http://paste.ubuntu.com/28589/
[03:25] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[03:26]  * JontheEchidna hopes it was moved to kde-oxygen-icons
[03:28]  * JontheEchidna can't find it in his 4.0.98 kde-oxygen-icons install
[03:29] <JontheEchidna> Oh hey, they changed the filename to actions-table, I think
[03:29] <vorian> bingo
[03:32]  * JontheEchidna goes ahead and searches for the rest of the resolutions
[03:52]  * JontheEchidna has to go for the night
[03:53] <vorian> nighty night
[03:53] <Daskreech> Night
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[06:56] <serzholino> Hi! In kde4 rc1 */KDE3 menu entries launch kde4 apps, if there is one, instead of kde3's
[06:56] <serzholino> in beta 2 they launched kde3 versions
[06:57] <serzholino> for example System Settings/KDE3 launches System Settings from KDE4
[06:59] <ScottK-laptop> serzholino: Where there are KDE4 apps, the KDE3 ones have been replaced.
[06:59] <ScottK-laptop> So there's no KDE3 app to launch.
[06:59] <serzholino> so, it was done intentional in rc1 packages?
[07:00] <serzholino> another example. alt+f2, enter kontact
[07:00] <serzholino> kontact and kontact/KDE3 appears
[07:01] <serzholino> clik on kontact/KDE3 and you get kde4's kontact launched
[07:01] <ScottK-laptop> Because kdepim for KDE4 is new in 4.1, it wouldn't suprise me if there were still some issues.
[07:01] <serzholino> but in beta2 it launched kde3's kontact
[07:04] <ScottK-laptop> Dunno what to tell you.  Then intent is for the final release to have the KDE4 version only.
[07:04] <ScottK-laptop> serzholino: You might write a mail to the kubuntu-devel mail list with your findings and see what others have to say about what the plan is.
[08:26] <serzholino> ScottK-laptop: ok, thanks
[09:20] <Wubbbi> JontheEchidna: are you here? I have just 1 question
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[09:22] <Nightrose> serzholino: please file a bug - the same happens with kate and konqueror
[09:22] <Nightrose> something is wrong
[09:23] <Nightrose> morning btw :)
[09:23] <serzholino> Nightrose: ok, against wich package?
[09:24] <Nightrose> hmmm kubuntu-meta if noone can tell you something better
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[13:03] <JontheEchidna> Good morning
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[13:59] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Looking for sponsorship for bug 248792
[13:59] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 248792 in kdenetwork "Binary package knewsticker should be renamed to plasmoid-knewsticker" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/248792
[13:59]  * JontheEchidna would like to get this one in before KDE 4.1 final packaging
[14:00] <JontheEchidna> Wubbbi: Hi, your fix for kdebase-workspace got released yesterday. :-]
[14:01] <JontheEchidna> and you had a question?
[14:05]  * JontheEchidna will be back later
[14:06] <Wubbbi> JontheEchidna: yes ... the installation had some problems. But "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -f" fixed that. I dont know anymore, what that bug was. Something with "kde-workspace-data" and "kde-workspace-wallpaper" and with the Wallpaper:Blue_cure
[14:06] <Wubbbi> JontheEchidna: and thanks for upload :)
[14:06] <Wubbbi> one a weekend ^^
[14:20] <Wubbbi> JontheEchidna: and the question was: wehre can I get the Source code of kickoff? I would like the take a look on it.
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[15:16] <JontheEchidna> Wubbbi: Thank Riddell, he uploaded it
[15:17] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[15:17] <Wubbbi> ^^
[15:17] <JontheEchidna> The source is in kdebase-workspace
[15:17] <JontheEchidna> in the plasma folder
[15:17] <Wubbbi> ohhh k thank you :)
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[16:37] <ryanakca> Riddell: I'm guessing there wouldn't be any problem if Edubuntu wanted to use our Drupal theme?
[16:44] <ryanakca> Anybody mind reviewing my kde-style-qtcurve merge (REVU) before I upload the debdiff to LP? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=kde-style-qtcurve
[16:45] <Wubbbi> Me is back :D
[16:45] <ryanakca> Welcome Back :)
[16:45] <Wubbbi> ^^
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[18:44] <Wubbbi> Hello to every Kubuntu Developer :D
[18:44] <Wubbbi> and the others ^^
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[19:03] <dAskreeCh> haha :)/me waves
[19:03] <dAskreeCh> Grrr
[20:55] <Xand3r> hey jockey-kde doesnt find on the 2.6.24-19 kernel my nvidia card, but on the 2.6.24-16
[20:56] <Xand3r> apachelogger: an idea?
[20:56] <Xand3r> apachelogger: hi btw