| Bioinforomed | wgrant: I've added the -dev team as the driver and subscribed the -dev team to the branch. Is that what you meant or is there more? | 00:00 |
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| wgrant | Bioinforomed: You should probably change the ownership of the branch to the team, so the team can upload to it. | 00:00 |
| wgrant | Morning cprov. | 00:00 |
| wgrant | bdrung: I might look at that shortly. | 00:01 |
| cprov | wgrant: morning, how is your Sunday going so far ? | 00:01 |
| wgrant | bdrung: Why did you add dvipng to Depends when it was already in Recommends, when you gave us the new upstream version during Hardy? | 00:01 |
| wgrant | cprov: Very young yet, but so far not bad. | 00:02 |
| wgrant | cprov: Is production's CSS often being missing a sysadmin-calling event? | 00:02 |
| bdrung | wgrant: good question. | 00:02 |
| wgrant | bdrung: That brings in huge amounts of TeX :( | 00:02 |
| wgrant | And Debian appears to have since adopted that change. | 00:03 |
| wgrant | Even though they dropped it to Recommends in the first place. | 00:03 |
| cprov | wgrant: uhm, let me check, I'm using edge w/o problems. | 00:03 |
| wgrant | cprov: Right, edge works fine. But production often returns None for the revision, so no CSS. | 00:03 |
| cprov | wgrant: right, just happened :( | 00:04 |
| wgrant | It's not as bad as it used to be without CSS, fortunately. | 00:04 |
| Bioinforomed | wgrant: I've now associated the -dev team with the project. Is there a way to do that for the -users? | 00:04 |
| wgrant | Bioinforomed: I'm not sure that there's an appropriate field for that. | 00:04 |
| cody-somerville | Bioinforomed, associate -users with the project and add -dev to the -users team | 00:05 |
| lagenar | how much time takes launchpad to scan a branch for the first time? | 00:05 |
| wgrant | cprov: bdrung and Bioinforomed have reported it so far, and it seems just a few hours old. | 00:05 |
| wgrant | cody-somerville: But there's no appropriate field for a user team. | 00:05 |
| * cprov hates Sundays | 00:05 | |
| Bioinforomed | cody: I've associated -dev by making it the driver... I'm not sure I want to do that for -users. Adding -dev to -users makes perfect sense, though. | 00:06 |
| wgrant | lagenar: Normally just minutes, but there appears to be a bug in bzr which is making things very slow. Expect it to be faster within a couple of days. | 00:06 |
| Bioinforomed | I was hoping for the -users mailing list to get annoucenments and the like | 00:06 |
| wgrant | lagenar: Scanning just affects what is displayed in the user interface - all functionality is still available. | 00:06 |
| lagenar | ok great then | 00:06 |
| cprov | wgrant: no bugs yet, though. | 00:06 |
| wgrant | cprov: Surprising. | 00:07 |
| cprov | I will file one | 00:07 |
| Bioinforomed | Next beginner question for LP: Is there some sort of Wiki I can use to provide an overview for my project and the resources or must I host that myself elsewhere? | 00:09 |
| wgrant | Bioinforomed: You can add some content to your project's Launchpad home page, but there is no wiki service at this time. | 00:10 |
| cprov | wgrant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/250190 | 00:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 250190 in launchpad "CSS sometimes is unreachable in production" [Undecided,New] | 00:11 |
| wgrant | cprov: Great, hopefully somebody will notice soon enough... | 00:12 |
| Bioinforomed | wgrant: How do I post files to the project for source and binary releases? These will be .tar.gz archives and various Python .egg files and Windows installers. | 00:12 |
| wgrant | Bioinforomed: You can create a release series and a release, and upload files to that release. | 00:14 |
| bdrung | wgrant: dvipng is needed for building matplotlib, but you can use it without dvipng. | 00:14 |
| wgrant | bdrung: Right, but you made it depend on it. | 00:14 |
| bdrung | wgrant: while matplotlib configures: OPTIONAL USETEX DEPENDENCIES: dvipng, ghostscript, latex, pdftops | 00:14 |
| wgrant | It should be in Build-Depends, but not Depends. | 00:15 |
| bdrung | wgrant: we should change this back. matplotlib was the first package i worked on. so my knowledge was about zero. | 00:16 |
| wgrant | bdrung: Thanks for clarifying that. Can you fix that in your merge? | 00:16 |
| bdrung | yes | 00:16 |
| bdrung | wgrant: should i change it to Recommends or Suggests? | 00:17 |
| wgrant | bdrung: I think Recommends, because otherwise nobody will be able to work out why TeX stuff isn't working. | 00:18 |
| Bioinforomed | wgrant: Thanks again for all of your help. I have to head off for a bit, but I'm making a lot of progress thanks to you. | 00:18 |
| wgrant | Recommends are now installed by default. | 00:18 |
| wgrant | Bioinforomed: np | 00:18 |
| bdrung | first time i found a bug in gnome-terminal | 00:19 |
| bdrung | wgrant: there are EXPERIMENTAL CONFIG PACKAGE DEPENDENCIES in the configuration, should i move the listed packages from depends to recommends or suggests? | 00:28 |
| bdrung | because they are experimental, i would prefer suggests | 00:28 |
| wgrant | Suggests sounds good. | 00:28 |
| wgrant | Just make sure it works without them installed if it was configured with them. | 00:29 |
| bdrung | now i can fix my faults :) | 00:29 |
| wgrant | Actually, it's probably best to not change them in a merge. | 00:29 |
| wgrant | dvipng should be fixed, because it was moved in a merge in the first place. | 00:29 |
| wgrant | But we still want to keep the diff minimal. | 00:29 |
| bdrung | dvipng was introduced by me and configobj and enthought.traits too | 00:30 |
| wgrant | Ah. | 00:30 |
| bdrung | and were adopted by debian without checking it. | 00:30 |
| wgrant | How strange. | 00:31 |
| bdrung | may be we should ask Morten Kjeldgaard. he mentored the packaging. | 00:35 |
| wgrant | He's not around at the moment. | 00:36 |
| bdrung | i saw it. | 00:36 |
| wgrant | And hmm, we should be in #ubuntu-motu. | 00:36 |
| Mecha25 | anybody out there know why my code.launchpad.net page isn't reflecting my bzr push but my bazaar.launchpad.net page is? it's been an hour since the push, I don't want to e-mail a link to the branch until I'm sure the code's been uploaded | 01:51 |
| wgrant | Mecha25: There is apparently a bug making branch scanning very slow, so the code.launchpad.net page might be out of date. If it's on bazaar.launchpad.net, it's fine. | 01:52 |
| Mecha25 | alright, thanks, any idea when this bug will be solved? | 01:52 |
| wgrant | I believe they have a fix, and it should be fixed within a couple of days. | 01:53 |
| Mecha25 | cool, thanks a ton, 2 solid weeks of dev work can finally pay off | 01:53 |
| Mecha25 | peace | 01:53 |
| ScottK | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vte/+bug/89660/comments/33 is spam and needs to be removed. | 02:52 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 89660 in vte "control-cursor-key regression in vim" [Low,Confirmed] | 02:52 |
| wgrant | ScottK: But it is EMERGENCY ! | 03:00 |
| wgrant | And LP speaks invalid RFC2822 at times, it seems. Bad LP. | 03:01 |
| Hobbsee | file a question. | 03:21 |
| wgrant | Hobbsee: It'll just get expired. | 03:22 |
| Hobbsee | wgrant: likely true, but then you can jus tkeep reopening it with more terse comments, and email the mailing list again about how woeful this solution is. | 03:29 |
| Hobbsee | OTOH, this was discussed reasonably on LP users. | 03:30 |
| Hobbsee | so whether they actually get any better remains to be seen. | 03:30 |
| wgrant | Hobbsee: RSN, as usual. | 03:30 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 03:32 |
| Hobbsee | ah yes, here we go | 03:33 |
| Hobbsee | Yes, this is actually on my roadmap to begin when my second triage | 03:33 |
| Hobbsee | resource arrives and is trained up. | 03:33 |
| Hobbsee | So, a few weeks. | 03:33 |
| wgrant | Correct. | 03:34 |
| ScottK | The Feedback page lists here as one valid way to report spam: https://help.launchpad.net/Feedback | 04:37 |
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| emet | launchpad is exploding | 08:41 |
| Hobbsee | ...exploding? | 08:41 |
| wgrant | s/exploding/dropping CSS often/, I would posit. | 08:44 |
| emet | it still hasn't "scanned" my damn BZR branch | 08:54 |
| emet | :o | 08:54 |
| emet | Grrr! | 08:54 |
| wgrant | emet: The branch scanner is running very slowly at the moment. Note that branch scanning does nothing but update the web UI, so it's not important, but should be fixed within a couple of days. | 08:55 |
| emet | okay | 08:56 |
| emet | BZR is quite nice though | 08:56 |
| wgrant | Indeed, it is very very nice. | 08:58 |
| thumper | emet: you can blame me for the branch scanner | 10:05 |
| thumper | emet: sorry | 10:05 |
| thumper | I find it often helps to have someone to yell at :) | 10:06 |
| * wgrant wonders who we yell at about one of the appservers forgetting which revision it is running. | 10:08 | |
| === thumper_laptop is now known as thumper | ||
| wgrant | thumper: We've had an awful lot of people complain about the branch scanner today. | 10:16 |
| thumper | wgrant: I can only apologise | 10:17 |
| wgrant | Even more than those complaining about the lack of CSS, oddly enough. | 10:17 |
| thumper | wgrant: it appears that it wasn't tested fully before the last rollout | 10:17 |
| thumper | wgrant: and I should have made sure it was | 10:17 |
| mwhudson | i found the problem about an hour before the rollout :/ | 10:17 |
| mwhudson | the fun of performance issues | 10:17 |
| wgrant | Is that what delayed it by a couple of hours? | 10:18 |
| thumper | no, that was something else | 10:18 |
| wgrant | (somebody might have wanted to amend the topic, but it's probably a bit late now) | 10:18 |
| mwhudson | well there were two problems | 10:18 |
| thumper | I didn't realise that it was as bad as it was | 10:18 |
| thumper | otherwise I would have pushed harder for an earlier update | 10:18 |
| mwhudson | there was a configuration issue that stopped it working at all for a little while | 10:18 |
| wgrant | mwhudson: Something was timing it out? | 10:19 |
| thumper | when our admin guy starts AU am, I'll try to get the update out | 10:19 |
| mwhudson | but now it's running, but very slowly | 10:19 |
| mwhudson | wgrant: no, some apache thingummy, really not very interesting | 10:19 |
| wgrant | Is it really really slow, or is it a bit slower than usual but with an enormous queue? | 10:19 |
| wgrant | Aha. | 10:19 |
| mwhudson | it's really slow | 10:19 |
| thumper | I've noticed a number of bugs and questions about it | 10:19 |
| mwhudson | really really slow | 10:19 |
| thumper | on the plus side, people are using LP codehosting :) | 10:19 |
| mwhudson | the code is in place to make it a bit faster than it was before, we just need a sysadmin :) | 10:20 |
| mwhudson | thumper: yeah, indeed, if people complain when we break stuff, that's sort of a good sign | 10:20 |
| wgrant | Particularly as this is normally only noticeable on new branches. | 10:22 |
| wgrant | Unless you look closely. | 10:22 |
| Hattory | Hi all... Why the background of favicon is not transparent? | 10:26 |
| thumper | Hattory: my guess is because the grey doesn't have a good contrast with many browsers default colour | 10:40 |
| wgrant | The white background looks awful in the Hardy theme, but not too bad with Intrepid's. | 10:45 |
| wgrant | I preferred the logo as the favicon. | 10:45 |
| Hattory | wgrant: you're right but in many browsers it looks so bad... IMHO | 10:48 |
| wgrant | It does. | 10:48 |
| wgrant | With a bit of tweaking the logo looks fine. | 10:49 |
| evilissimo | hmm, I try to use staging.launchpad.net to try it out but it seems like i won't get the registration mail, or does it take remarkably longer than on the mainsite? On the mainsite i'm registered already | 10:51 |
| evilissimo | ok found the answer | 10:53 |
| evilissimo | although having to wait so long is a bit disturbing and could lead to ignore staging at first place and go over and just create a project :S | 10:55 |
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| thumper | evilissimo: staging doesn't send email out | 11:12 |
| evilissimo | yeah I read it | 11:12 |
| thumper | evilissimo: at least not somewhere where you could see it :) | 11:12 |
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| xFallen | hey guys | 16:33 |
| dash | hi. is there a way to delete a blueprint? | 17:13 |
| megabyte405 | Has anyone had problems with the PPA not always packaging all the files produced for an arch-independent package/ | 17:31 |
| cprov | megabyte405: do you have an example ? | 17:32 |
| megabyte405 | yes - http://launchpad.net/~abiword-stable/+archive - look at the hardy package before the rebuild finishes | 17:32 |
| megabyte405 | there should be a ton of files in /usr/share/abiword-2.6 in the abiword-common package | 17:32 |
| megabyte405 | but it seems to package them only every other time I build | 17:33 |
| megabyte405 | (I test-built that package on my personal PPA, where it worked on the second try, then I copied the source to the AbiWord Stable ppa, where it built wrong) | 17:33 |
| megabyte405 | now I am rebuilding in AbiWord Stable to see if I can get it to work again | 17:33 |
| megabyte405 | The package is actually the new one from debian, I worked with the maintainer to build i, and he said he's seen that kind of thing happen only a few times when the system was screwed up | 17:34 |
| cprov | megabyte405: I can't see how the packaging procedure can be different in PPAs | 17:34 |
| megabyte405 | Yeah, I have no idea why it's not working, but it's frustrating because it worked when I tested it, then when I pushed the package to many abiword users, it broke | 17:35 |
| megabyte405 | and it works on my own system | 17:35 |
| megabyte405 | it just fails half the time in the PPA, and it just started doing this | 17:35 |
| cprov | megabyte405: it needs further investigation, file a bug | 17:35 |
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| megabyte405 | cprov: ok, downloading some of those packages to attach and will file a bug | 17:37 |
| cprov | megabyte405: good, then we can find out why it's happening. | 17:38 |
| megabyte405 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/250293 | 17:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 250293 in launchpad "PPA fails to package common files half the time" [Undecided,New] | 17:45 |
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| bbyever | hi | 18:51 |
| bbyever | usually how long does it take for a branch tu be updated on the website after its been pushed to? | 18:51 |
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| beuno | bbyever, usually, a few minutes | 18:58 |
| beuno | but the code scanner is a bit delayed | 18:58 |
| beuno | so it may take a day or two | 18:59 |
| beuno | what's the URL? | 18:59 |
| bbyever | beuno: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mx-marketing/ubuntu-mx-podcast/dev | 18:59 |
| beuno | bbyever, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mx-marketing/ubuntu-mx-podcast/dev/changes | 19:00 |
| beuno | branch is fine, just need to give code scanner a while to catch up | 19:00 |
| beuno | you can use it normally, pull/push/branch | 19:00 |
| bbyever | beuno: ah ok. thanks! | 19:00 |
| * beuno wonders if any admin can add to the topic that code scanner is delayed | 19:06 | |
| Peng_ | Um, actually, i don't think the channel is +t, so anyone can do it. | 19:07 |
| === beuno changed the topic of #launchpad to: https://launchpad.net/ | Next meeting, all welcome: Thu 17 July 2008, 1800UTC #launchpad-meeting | Help: https://help.launchpad.net | Questions and spam reports: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad | Channel logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Code Scanner for branches is a bit delayed, admins working on it. Doesn't affect using bzr at all | ||
| beuno | Peng_, you're right, thanks :) | 19:07 |
| Peng_ | :) | 19:07 |
| Peng_ | The next meeting is 3 days and 8 minutes ago? | 19:08 |
| beuno | uhm, yeah. Time travel is the latest and greatest in Ubuntu :p | 19:08 |
| Peng_ | Darn, I really need to upgrade to Hardy. | 19:09 |
| beuno | it's much easier if you have meetings when you already know what's going to happen | 19:09 |
| Peng_ | Like in the Doctor Who episode "Blink"? :) | 19:19 |
| * beuno never saw Doctor Who | 19:20 | |
| nycerine | rosetta need better navigation imo | 22:57 |
| devfil | hi to all | 22:57 |
| devfil | why piemontese, franco-provencal etc... are languages for translation? | 22:58 |
| thumper | devfil: no idea | 23:02 |
| thumper | but then I don't have anything to do with translations :) | 23:02 |
| devfil | it is really bizzarre | 23:02 |
| devfil | however, I'm the admin of a project on lp, but I cannot set googlecode as bug tracker, how I can set it? | 23:04 |
| thumper | I don't think googlecode is a bugtracker option (from what I looked at) | 23:08 |
| thumper | (in "Change details" of the project) | 23:09 |
| devfil | thumper: but I should | 23:09 |
| thumper | I didn't realise that googlecode had a bug tracker | 23:09 |
| devfil | s/I/it/ | 23:09 |
| devfil | thumper: for example http://code.google.com/p/msn-pecan/issues/list is a bug tracker | 23:10 |
| mwhudson | pretty sure there is a bug or two on launchpad for this | 23:10 |
| mwhudson | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/78395 | 23:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 78395 in malone "Support Google Code's issue tracker" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 23:12 |
| emet | hey | 23:12 |
| emet | the scanner is still the brokens | 23:12 |
| mwhudson | emet: in progress | 23:13 |
| mwhudson | (really!) | 23:13 |
| emet | :) | 23:13 |
| devfil | the new lp on edge is finished? | 23:17 |
| Peng_ | mwhudson: Has it changed from "waiting for an admin"? | 23:17 |
| mwhudson | Peng_: yes | 23:17 |
| Peng_ | Oh, good. | 23:17 |
| devfil | the new lp is finished? | 23:28 |
| mwhudson | devfil: when is software ever finished? | 23:28 |
| devfil | mwhudson: when it works | 23:29 |
| emet | when is spawns a computer god which takes over the universe | 23:29 |
| devfil | mwhudson: I don't like the grey bar for edge on header | 23:30 |
| devfil | I prefer it attacked to the border of the window | 23:31 |
| mwhudson | devfil: i don't think the current round of ui tweaks is finished yet, no | 23:31 |
| mwhudson | devfil: i am totally not the right person to talk to about it | 23:31 |
| mwhudson | however | 23:31 |
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