[00:00] <nickrud> yes, a more codified way of handling bans among the various operators
[00:00] <nickrud> not looking for a resolution, but something that I think is a pressing issue for the future
[00:00] <nalioth> nickrud: do you mean "ban resolution" or "ban setting" ?
[00:00] <elkbuntu> something more than the bantracker?
[00:01] <nalioth> i personally think that if the op hasn't commented the bantracker, his/her bans should be able to be released after 24h by by any op with access to the BT
[00:01] <nickrud> resolution. Ban tracker is good, but no one ever comments about grounds for unbanning, if the op is not around. And I've seen more than a handful of bans placed by people in conflicting time zones
[00:02] <elkbuntu> nalioth, even for repeat/chronic offenders?
[00:02] <Flannel> elkbuntu: Those should have comments in the bantracker
[00:03] <nickrud> that issue of repeaters has crossed my mind, so it's no simple matter to find a reasonably flexible but fair mechanism
[00:03] <jussi01> Ok, im off to bed, Ill catch up on backlog in the morning, nini all
[00:03] <elkbuntu> Flannel, those usually have a huge-ass list in the ban tracker of prior bans/removes
[00:03] <nalioth> elkbuntu: repeat offenders will be commented at some time in their pasts, i'd presume and should come up in a BT search
[00:04] <nickrud> I'm definitely not a good bt commenter myself so I can't point at anyone else. But I think it would be a good move for us to start being more consistent about it. Then we'll have more data to mash about while we try to work out some formal scheme
[00:05] <nickrud> or informal, but a scheme none the less
[00:05] <nalioth> nickrud: do we see a wiki page somewhere from you on this?
[00:05] <nickrud> nalioth not yet. I'm still scratching my head. I find good reasons not to do whatever I think up.
[00:06] <elkbuntu> it is worth trying, but i do warn against blindly unbanning people just becuase they have no comment.
[00:06] <nalioth> elkbuntu: a single entry into the BT usually indicates no prior history
[00:06] <PriceChild> Everyone comment on the bt more! :)
[00:06] <nickrud> I think a good first step is simply commenting. And noting in the comment that it's ok to unban.
[00:07] <elkbuntu> agreed
[00:07] <nickrud> no ok, no unban
[00:08] <nalioth> not sure if any of you are familiar with dircbot, but if there is enough interest, perhaps we could do something like that ( iow, you tell the bot your reason for bannning at the time )
[00:08] <Pici> The rule used to be for operators who banned someone to be the person to deal with their unbanning, are we dismissing that rule?
[00:08] <nickrud> Pici only with explicit prior permission in the bt
[00:08] <nalioth> Pici: that has never been a hard rule, it's just come to be "the way things are"
[00:09] <elkbuntu> Pici, that one should really only be enforced for repeat offenders
[00:09] <nickrud> I'm suggesting that, anyway
[00:09] <Pici> Agreed
[00:10] <PriceChild> I think dircbot would be good, and would like to try it out, its quite good at making you add comments so things make sense(ish).
[00:10]  * PriceChild removes some commas
[00:10] <nalioth> somethign like dircbot, anyway
[00:10] <nalioth> okay, any other business?
[00:10] <elkbuntu> couldnt it just be hacked into our current frankenstein?
[00:10] <nalioth> elkbuntu: that option is available to us
[00:11] <elkbuntu> nalioth, one other item. retrieving the name ubotu.
[00:11] <nalioth> we wouldn't be using dircbot, but a clone thereof
[00:11] <elkbuntu> is it at all possible/is seveas willing to part with it?
[00:11] <nalioth> seveas is still active in #ubuntu, why not ask him?
[00:12] <elkbuntu> it gets asked of -ops several times a week, but i havent had time to annoy him abou tit
[00:12] <nalioth> we chose the bot names we have for ease of <tab-complete>
[00:12] <nalioth> but it would be nice to get the other nick(s) back
[00:13] <Flannel> ubotu hasn't logged in for 11 weeks, so even if he doesn't agree, we can technically take the nick back through regular freenode nick stuffs
[00:13] <nalioth> Flannel: yes, but that wouldn't be very friendly
[00:13] <elkbuntu> Seveas, is also here in this channel. maybe he could volunteer to discuss with the ops team at a later time
[00:13] <Pici> Right, but it would be courteous to talk to him about it
[00:14] <Flannel> nalioth: no, which is why I said it was in case it fell through
[00:14] <nalioth> Flannel: noted
[00:14] <nalioth> anything else on anyones plate?
[00:18] <PriceChild> Great well that's it then.
[00:19] <PriceChild> Will get the email sorted, and try to sort out a meeting for in 2 weeks or so, announce it earlier and yes :)
[16:41] <boredandblogging> @now