[01:02] evening [01:03] Oh hi, I was wondering how koffice was coming along. [01:03] * JontheEchidna is just getting back himself [01:06] i havent looked at it since last night [01:08] * vorian takes another look-see [01:09] JontheEchidna: I uploaded your plasma app today, you should have poked me about it [01:10] Oh, plasmoid-am4rok? [01:10] yes [01:10] Oh, um, well thanks. ;) [01:11] Did you get your system-status package uploaded? [01:11] * JontheEchidna is quite happy with the number of plasmoids in Intrepid [01:12] yeah, a few days ago [01:12] fo realz! keep an eye out for new ones [01:12] JontheEchidna: thanks for closing a lot of the bugs i was working on... i haven't had much time for follow up and work on kubuntu/kde stuff lately [01:12] So far we've got plasmoid-weather, plasmoid-wifi, plasmoid-quickview, plasmoid-am4rok, and plasmoid-system-status [01:12] seriously thanks for taking the time === jjesse__ is now known as jjesse [01:12] No problem. ;) [01:14] * JontheEchidna is currently triaging kdebase-kde4 [01:14] Putting all the bugs that still apply in kdebase, and requesting infos on the ones that I can't reproduce [01:16] Hmm, though now that I'm using konqueror as my browser that makes it less convenient to test Konqi crashes... [01:20] Where did the ability to add an affected package in LP go? [01:25] it disappeared in the wonderful upgrade to the new look and feel [01:26] Actually [01:26] if you change the source package in the url [01:27] and hit enter [01:27] It'll say that this bug isn't in the source package, and asks you if you want to open it there too [01:42] what do i need to set my terminal to to view a .so file without it looksing like @@@@ all over it? [01:46] ok gedit cant open it :( [02:36] JontheEchidna: I thinks "also affects distribution"? [02:36] Oh hey, it is [02:37] evening all [02:43] vorian: plasmoid-system-status has a new upstream release [02:43] eek [02:43] it's not even out of new yet! [02:43] lol [04:59] apachelogger: when you have a moment http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=darkroom [08:30] seele: nice knm review [08:38] Going though it now :-) [08:50] good morning everyone :D [08:54] * kduser waves [08:54] I have got a Crash on Intrepid: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/28930/ Kubuntu or KDE bug? === wolfger_ is now known as wolfger === hunger_t_ is now known as hunger [10:17] seems that everyone is still sleeping xD [10:24] I expect that's an upstream crash === rraphink is now known as raphink [10:25] Well i have reported it to #plasma and they have reported it ( as a Bug report ) to kde :) so my part is done :D === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Teams [11:15] I get a crash, when I try to watch Videos ( With Xine ) on Firefox. But the only massage I get is "Segmentation fault". Very strange. How to debug that? Terminal wont help [11:19] on Konqueror it crashs too. So that is a Xine bug ( libxine 1.1.14-1ubuntu1 ) on Intrepid [11:20] Konqueror shows me that: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/28952/ [11:20] any idea? [12:43] mornin' [12:46] mornin' [12:47] my inbox tells me that JontheEchidna wants to be a member [12:47] we should convene the council for the solem and serious decision making process [12:49] Riddell: I'm guessing there wouldn't be any problem if Edubuntu wanted to use our Drupal theme? [12:51] ryanakca: nope [12:51] the theme should be put under some suitable free licence [12:51] * ryanakca nods, I'm not too sure what newz released it under [12:51] Riddell: we should setup up a meeting for sometime soon [12:51] Riddell: just so you know - that is me who asked for facebook friendship... (approval would be nice) :D [12:54] Riddell: on hardy since 4.1 RC 1 launching kde 3 programs launches the kde 4 version instead [12:54] launching from kickoff and krunner [12:54] patch got lost? [12:56] * txwikinger wonders why Nightrose sends patches by mail :D [12:56] hmmm? [12:56] well.. the mail often loses things :D [12:56] Riddell: Also, looking for sponsorship for bug 248792 [12:56] Launchpad bug 248792 in kdenetwork "Binary package knewsticker should be renamed to plasmoid-knewsticker" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/248792 [12:57] ;-) [13:02] * nixternal heads to work [13:14] * Riddell lunches, back soon [13:27] all plasmoids should be named plasmoid-foo now? [13:27] Yes plz [13:28] Or that's the consensus that vorian, apachelogger and I came to [13:28] ;) [13:28] I'll fill a bug for my kepas package then [13:28] but we should ask Debian first imho [13:28] are they already packaging applets? [13:29] Don't know [13:29] Does debian's bug database even have a web interface? [13:29] for reporting? [13:30] nop [13:30] but asks in #debian-qt-kde@irc.oftc.net [13:30] * JontheEchidna also has to go for now [13:52] Riddell: thx [14:29] hello :D [14:43] ello, I have a bit of a whine about firefox intergration if anyones interested [14:48] mooper: don't whine. use that energy to start putting forth actual patches to fix it. [14:49] there's already a spec about it, if you're interested - has been for a while. [14:54] trouble with firefox is we tend to use konqueror, and the firefox guys tend not to use KDE [14:54] but the spec is on their side not ours :) [14:54] making firefox useful for those who *do* use it with kubuntu would be very useful, though [15:00] yep [15:22] can i somehow find out which compilation flags had been used on compilation of binary packages? [15:23] or what I'm really interested in: do qt(4) packages get build with QT_NO_(DEBUG|WARNING)_OUTPUT? [15:27] seezer: download the source for a package (apt-get source) and look at the debian/rules file [15:28] yuriy: ah ok - so what's not in the rules file isn't called from somewhere else? alright then, thanks [15:30] or do those cdbs files contain anything like that? [15:34] Riddell: Hobbsee: I dont think I have the skills to do anything usfulll [15:34] where is the spec? [15:40] seezer: nothing shows up grepping the build log for OUTPUT [15:40] mooper: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/firefox-kde-integration-intrepid [15:40] "Assignee: None" [15:40] ah well [15:40] Riddell: nice, thank you [15:42] IIRC someone is working on a Qt frontend for Firefox [16:00] Intrepid? [16:00] Iguana? [16:00] Ibex? [16:00] Iceland Scallop [16:06] smarter: only the fifth such project to do that :) [16:07] Riddel: sadly, thats way beyond my skill level [16:07] which is only just enough for making a good cup of tea [16:08] Riddell: true :p [16:08] that reminds me, I should update the webkitkde package with a new snapshot [16:15] smarter: I e-mailed Urs the SoC student working on it, he doesn't think it'll be good enough for intrepid unfortunately [16:16] oh :/ [16:16] we'll stick with khtml for the moment then, it's not that bad :p [16:21] smarter: but do take new snapshots when you get time and there's notable changes [16:22] Riddell: I'll do, once I'll be a MOTU ;) [16:22] s/once/when/ [16:22] well, maybe once is appropriate in this context, don't know :P [16:41] bug #250551 << could someone please upload my fix? [16:41] Launchpad bug 250551 in kvpm "FTBFS with 0.4.5b-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/250551 [16:46] Riddell maybe? ;) ^ [16:47] ok [16:48] thanks [16:55] smarter: uploaded, mind and send the change to upstream [16:55] that's in my TODO list ;) [17:12] * Arby wanders in looking for things to work on [17:16] Riddell: do we have things that need packaging? [17:17] Arby: there's a ktorrent merge on dholbach's sponsoring list [17:17] ok I'll look into it, is this a new list of some kind? [17:17] webpage [17:18] http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/ [17:18] it's for ktorrent-kde4 but we use ktorrent as the package name now so dunno if it's needed or not [17:18] I'll look [17:24] Hello, can I speak to a packager who does KDE4? [17:26] that'll be us [17:26] hi, I heard you package svg's with the Oxygen icons? [17:27] seems so, I should probably remove them to make some CD space [17:28] ok but you shouldn't because they are suorces only and will save you lots of bandwith [17:29] Riddell: short summary, ktorrent 3.1.1 is released, intrepid has 3.1~rc1, hardy has 3.0.1 [17:30] Riddell: I assume we want intrepid updated, do we want 3.1.1 backported to hardy as well? [17:31] Arby: yes we want intrepid updated, ktorrent-kde4 source package should be removed, I don't use backports so I can't say I'm fussed :) [17:31] Half-Left: looks like we just install usr/share/icons/oxygen/* in kdebase-runtime currently [17:31] Half-Left: so not installing the .svgz files would be good [17:32] Half-Left: what's your interest? [17:32] I do artwork for KDE4 [17:32] bling bling [17:32] 4.2 actaully [17:32] Riddell: I'll do intrepid first. How do I get ktorrent-kde4 removed, use 'Replaces' in debian/control? [17:33] Arby: replaces and conflicts yes, and file a bug on ktorrent-kde4 asking for removal subscribing ubuntu-archive [17:33] Riddell: thanks [17:33] Half-Left: do you know who added all the new mouse themes to 4.1? [17:34] nope [17:34] oh [17:34] yes [17:34] Think it was Ruphy or pinheiro [17:35] yeah, upstream [17:37] they seem a bit excessive for kdebase, for the same space reasons [17:38] splitting them off to something like oxygen-cursors makes sense [17:39] By the way, I'm backporting kdebindings-kde4 for the hardy ppa [17:39] that's what I did with the wallpapers [17:39] jtechidna: good luck! [17:39] jtechidna: where did you get to with koffice? [17:40] rediscovering kdeartwork would be good though [17:40] We fixed the FTBFS and ran into a few more which we also fixed [17:40] But it takes 6 hrs to build on my computer so vorian is doing the testbuildign [17:40] mm, it's a beast to build [17:40] and I don't know if the latest works built yet [17:40] *builds [17:40] jtechidna: you mean kde4bindings ? [17:41] koffice2 [17:41] It took 15 mins for it to get to 3% built on my computer [17:41] vorian's computer can do it in an hour [17:41] So he's doing the testbuilding [17:41] right, I changed the subject [17:42] jtechidna: you mean kde4bindings rather than kdebindings-kde4 ? [17:42] right [17:42] good good [17:43] Could someone look at 233972 please? [17:43] bug 233972 , unsure if I merged it properly [17:43] Launchpad bug 233972 in kde-style-qtcurve "Please merge kde-style-qtcurve 0.55.2-2 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/233972 [17:46] ryanakca: looking [17:46] ryanakca: looks groovy, uploading [17:47] Riddell: I'm pointing to the ``skipping'' patch part... [17:48] or is that just during the debian/rules clean section, it notices that it isn't applied, so skips unapplying it? (I'm not too familiar with just plain patch) [17:52] ryanakca: yes that's fine [17:52] ok, thanks :) [17:55] Riddell: also, feel free to tweak the sentence describing the kubuntuway forums [17:57] "yet another forum" [17:59] done. Also, how hard would it be to patch out the logout dialog options, where could I get the sources to do so, and what options need to be patched out? I'm guessing this is for KDE4? [18:09] ryanakca: yes KDE 4 [18:09] not sure how hard, it depends if the menu just calls "logout dialog" or if it calls "shutdown" or "restart" or the specific option [18:10] I think the code is shutdowndlg.cpp from ksmserver [18:11] it would also be worth investigating why upstream hasn't got it showing only the one option as picked from the kmenu [18:12] * ryanakca nods [18:14] ryanakca: probably best remove the "yet", it's a bit too derogitory [18:15] * ryanakca switches it back [18:15] opensuse shows only the option selected from the kmenu [18:25] Oo [18:25] Nightrose: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=darkroom I am wondering what that thing is doing [18:25] oh [18:25] re [18:25] btw [18:25] ;-) [18:25] haha [18:25] yea yea... [18:27] hm [18:27] actually quite boring [18:27] vorian: typo: Description: immage manipulation tool [18:35] vore: line 6 in control has a trailing whitespace which makes it exceed 80 characters :P [18:39] vorian even [18:39] vore: sorry [18:40] vorian: in the manpage: for the \fBKubuntu GNU/Linux\fP system. ---- please use 'the Kubuntu system' since that is the official naming [18:41] PyKDE sorta takes a long time to build [18:41] * jtechidna runs off to do other things [18:42] jtechidna: dude, you have no idea how long all of kdebindings would take :S [18:46] vorian: and please tell upstream that DocPath in the desktop file should be X-KDE-DocPath, that Terminal=0 should use a boolean and the genericname is _far too_ generic [18:50] apachelogger, could I ask you something about posterazor? [18:50] DRebellion: I don't even know what that is, but you can certainly ask me ;-) [18:51] smarter: archived kvpm ppa1 upload to revu [18:51] smarter: what's the status of foxkit? [18:53] DRebellion: btw, what is the status of monkeystudio? [18:54] apachelogger, heh, it's another package i'm working on. The current version released on the website is 1.5, however this has a problem with gcc-4.3. The upstream developer has fixed it in a version called 1.5.1, however he has not been able to test the new package under os x yet (only win32 and linux). He has given me a link to the new, unreleased source package, http://www.casaportale.de/lagerraum/PosteRazor-1.5.1-Source.zip , which [18:54] I have prepared and builds fine. Can I upload that package, or should I wait (it's been a couple of weeks) for it to be released after mac testing? [18:54] apachelogger, the package is ready, but the current release fails to build under amd64. [18:54] upstream says the dev branch works, but i can't test [18:55] also, the dev branch uses a debugging binary, etc, other oddities, etc. [18:55] so I am waiting for the next full release. [18:55] technically you will have to wait for the official release [18:55] =( [18:55] upstream could just release the source [18:55] ok [18:55] and if it doesn't work on osx [18:56] push 1.5.2 and skip the .1 release for osx [18:56] you might suggest that [18:56] I will bug upstream and ask them to do a release for win32 and linux only then. [18:56] s/them/him :P [18:56] ...or just don't tell anyone that it isn't official released, maybe none notices ;-) [18:56] hehe [18:57] vorian: status of kio-ftps? [18:58] hey apachelogger [18:59] * apachelogger waves to smarter [18:59] apachelogger: yeah, sorry for the upload to revu [19:00] ryanakca: archiving qtcurve on revu [19:00] I've not touched foxkit for sometimes now, I'll probably finish it soon, but first I've to make that why-I-think-I-should-be-a-motu page [19:01] * jtechidna fears for the amount of time kdebindings will take' [19:01] jtechidna: a lot [19:01] Hmm, it's up to PyQT4 now [19:01] *Qt [19:05] Bah, python plasmoids won't be supported until 4.2 is released [19:06] well, support will come in the pre-releases [19:06] * jtechidna sighs -_- === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [19:06] * apachelogger is singing ruby ruby ruby [19:11] JontheEchidna: did I upload konq-plugins yet? [19:19] Don't think so; did you ever get the email? I got a reutrn message saying that delivery was delayed or somethign [19:19] apachelogger: ^ [19:20] oh well [19:20] I just hope you didn't break anything :P [19:20] * apachelogger uploads [19:20] * JontheEchidna never figured out how he was supposed to use them [19:22] JontheEchidna: konqueror -> tools [19:22] or settings -> configure extensions to activate/deacitvate them [19:22] depends alot on the plugin really [19:23] * JontheEchidna can only see a Text-to-speech one [19:23] * JontheEchidna hopes that isn't bad [19:25] JontheEchidna: did you actually install any plugin? :P [19:26] I installed the debs that debuild spit out [19:27] all of 'em [19:34] JontheEchidna: maybe you use the wrong cdbs again? ;-) [19:35] ;) [19:42] Riddell: ktorrent update done, files are on lichts [19:43] is the backport worth doing? [19:43] does it fix the crash on exit? [19:44] If it does, the backport would fix a crash. :P [19:44] what crash on exit? [19:44] KTorrent 3.0.1 crashes on exit in Hardy [19:44] ok let me check the changelog [19:45] http://saroengels.blogspot.com/2008/07/sweet-dreams.html <- Plasma on windows [19:46] Arby: there's no .orig .dsc .diff.gz on lichts [19:46] hmm, odd [19:48] oh, wiat [19:50] Bah, kde4bindings ftbfs [19:50] missing files.... [19:51] Oh, I guess I wasn't supposed to /usr/lib/kde4 that one [19:53] debuild -nc will make it not do a make clean, correct? [19:53] yes [19:54] JontheEchidna: fix it then run dh_install --sourcedir=debian/tmp --list0missing [19:54] JontheEchidna: fix it then run dh_install --sourcedir=debian/tmp --list-missing [19:54] repeat until it doesn't complain then debuild -nc [19:56] Woo, that was the only one [19:56] JontheEchidna: there's nothing obvious here about fixing a crash on exit [19:56] hmm... [19:56] did you have a specific bug number [19:56] brb [19:57] just a second [19:58] Arby: bug 227932 [19:58] Launchpad bug 227932 in ktorrent-kde4 "Ktorrent-kde4 crashes after shutdown of closing" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227932 [19:59] JontheEchidna: thanks [19:59] * JontheEchidna injects humor: [19:59] http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/i-can-fix-thiz-sorta.jpg [20:00] (Disclaimer, I probably couldn't fix that crash :P) [20:02] :) [20:05] and kde4bindings builds! [20:05] :D [20:06] jcastro: hey :) just gone through brainstorm again and there are a lot of amarok ideas that can be closed as wontfix basically or could use an upstream comment - can you get me admin rights to do that? [20:06] or is that not possible yet? [20:06] Nightrose: I can't personally give you admin rights, but nand or stgraber can [20:06] I think nand is on holiday though [20:07] ok [20:07] thx [20:07] no worries, thanks for looking after them! [20:07] :) [20:09] apachelogger: can I send kde4bindings 4.0.98~hardy~ppa1 over to you? [20:10] JontheEchidna: sure [20:10] JontheEchidna: no real idea whether 3.1.1 fixes that bug or not [20:10] best solution is probably to do the backport and tet to find out [20:10] s/tet/test/ [20:10] * JontheEchidna agrees [20:10] hello to everyone :D [20:12] Hi [20:13] JontheEchidna: is there something easy to fix? I want to learn more :D. Now I know hoe to creat a gpg and how the get a source and how to edit a file :D [20:13] * JontheEchidna can't think of anything [20:13] But that's good I guess :P [20:13] guess what? [20:13] what? [20:14] ohhh ... I have read wrong xD sorry [20:19] Wubbbi: look at bugs and see what there is you can fix! [20:19] hihi ^^ [20:20] Wubbbi: maybe start with bugs tagged bitesize or packaging [20:20] how to searc for bug? It's a bit difficult on Launchpad :/ [20:20] search [20:22] JontheEchidna: can I use created GPG-Keys always or just one time? [20:22] always [20:22] ahhh ok good to know :) [20:23] thx [20:24] Wubbbi: go to bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ and go to the advanced search. there you can put in keywords, what status you want, and what tags you want [20:27] apachelogger: sent [20:32] yuriy: ahhh thank you :D [20:34] Hmm, I should probably backport kdeutils and kdesdk next [20:38] JontheEchidna: please add libzip-dev to kdeutils [20:38] otherwise ark doesn't support zippy files [20:39] if I'm backporting ktorrent3.1.1 to hardy should I name the package ktorrent or ktorrent-kde4? [20:39] apachelogger: This was I bug, I had today too :) [20:40] Arby: -kde4 [20:40] thanks [20:41] JontheEchidna: bindings uploaded [20:42] JontheEchidna: Is it easy to add libzyp-dev to kdeutils? If it was can I do this? :D [20:50] ktorrent3.1.1/debian has gained several files that don't exist in 3.0.x /debian [20:51] is it safe to just copy those files across [20:51] or is that likely to break things [20:51] for example .install .lintian .postinst.debhelper [20:51] quite a few actually [20:59] apachelogger: I've finally updated my wiki page :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GuillaumeMartres [20:59] * Wubbbi klapps his hands for smarter [20:59] :D [21:00] :) [21:01] smarter: You are just 15 years old? oO .. so younger than me ^^ [21:02] Arby: depends on the files' content really [21:02] .lintian only overrides lintian overrides for example [21:02] .install probably needs path changes [21:03] smarter: https://edge.launchpad.net/~smarter/+packages is changing [21:03] apachelogger: does it seem reasonable to copy them and see what debuild complains about? [21:03] smarter: like when someone uploads a newer version to intrepid the packages will disappear [21:04] smarter: so I suggest to actually protocol all your work [21:04] apachelogger: ok [21:04] Arby: if you can upload to the ppa -> no, if you can't -> yes ;-) [21:05] I can't so I'll go with that option [21:05] Arby: I think only the .install files should require changes [21:05] adding /usr/lib/kde4/ as prefix to everything [21:05] apachelogger: I was expecting those [21:06] also I'm confused by the debian changelogs, let me pastebin [21:06] * apachelogger is updating the kde.org content [21:06] Arby: is there already a backport? [21:08] JontheEchidna seems to sleep xD [21:08] apachelogger: no, newest in hardy is 3.0.1, I'm working on 3.1.1 [21:09] Arby: yeah [21:09] just copy the official changes since 3.0.1 at the beginning of the new backport [21:09] and add your backport entry [21:10] ok [21:11] * JontheEchidna was away [21:11] hihi ^ [21:11] ^ [21:11] * JontheEchidna won't be going to sleep for another 6 hours :P [21:11] lol [21:12] JontheEchidna: Is it easy to add libzyp-dev to kdeutils? If it was can I do this? :D [21:13] That's not all that has to be done [21:13] apachelogger: does this look ok, http://paste.ubuntu.com/29092/ [21:13] JontheEchidna: :( [21:14] Arby: sure [21:14] thanks [21:14] it doesn't really matter all that much for the ppa ;-) [21:14] I still prefer to do it right so that I understand when it does matter :) [21:16] Well If i have nothing to do, let me go to bed ... Its 22:15 o'clock ^^ see you tomorw :D [21:16] tomorow [21:16] I'm very tired [21:16] 16:16 here [21:25] apachelogger: oh crap, I think I know why I can't find any of the plugins [21:25] I forgot to rename the .install files [21:25] *thumbsup* [21:25] :P [21:27] "KDE is a very big project" or "KDE is a very large project"? [21:27] Both work, afaik. But I think the latter is more "proper". [21:28] you could even go with "KDE is a rather expansive project" [21:28] simplified english [21:28] "KDE is a big bunch of code" [21:28] "a series of tubes" [21:28] tubes ftw [21:30] "KDE is a big stuff with tons of programs" [21:32] KDE is a group of three letters. Please enjoy [21:41] * Arby is having problems with patches [21:41] ktorrent backport fails to build with http://paste.ubuntu.com/29101/ [21:42] trying to stop smoking? :} [21:42] the patch is against 3.1.1 and doesn't exist in 3.0.1 [21:42] :P [21:42] I have no idea how to deal with that [21:42] apachelogger: updated my wiki page, again :P [21:45] smarter: perfect [21:46] smarter: now you just need some wicked photo so that we can buy you a coke when meeting :-P [21:46] I'll try to find one ;) [21:47] so, what is the process to become a master of da universe now? [21:47] that is a very good question [21:47] * apachelogger is totally confused by the new contributors thingy [21:47] * JontheEchidna just does what he keeps doing [21:47] but as I understand it - first you need to apply as ubuntu contributor [21:48] launchpad group? [21:48] which is basically yet another form of ubuntu membership [21:48] smarter: motu-council [21:48] Question: to autostart .destkop files get /usr/lib/kde4'd? [21:48] and the fact that it is basically an ubuntu membership makes we wonder whether one has to apply for that thing even if already approved as ubuntu member [21:49] JontheEchidna: everything [21:49] \sh: are you around? [21:49]