[01:02] <vorian> evening
[01:03] <JontheEchidna> Oh hi, I was wondering how koffice was coming along.
[01:03]  * JontheEchidna is just getting back himself
[01:06] <vorian> i havent looked at it since last night
[01:08]  * vorian takes another look-see
[01:09] <vorian> JontheEchidna: I uploaded your plasma app today, you should have poked me about it
[01:10] <JontheEchidna> Oh, plasmoid-am4rok?
[01:10] <vorian> yes
[01:10] <JontheEchidna> Oh, um, well thanks. ;)
[01:11] <JontheEchidna> Did you get your system-status package uploaded?
[01:11]  * JontheEchidna is quite happy with the number of plasmoids in Intrepid
[01:12] <vorian> yeah, a few days ago
[01:12] <vorian> fo realz! keep an eye out for new ones
[01:12] <jjesse__> JontheEchidna: thanks for closing a lot of the bugs i was working on... i haven't had much time for follow up and work on kubuntu/kde stuff lately
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> So far we've got plasmoid-weather, plasmoid-wifi, plasmoid-quickview, plasmoid-am4rok, and plasmoid-system-status
[01:12] <jjesse__> seriously thanks for taking the time
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> No problem. ;)
[01:14]  * JontheEchidna is currently triaging kdebase-kde4
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> Putting all the bugs that still apply in kdebase, and requesting infos on the ones that I can't reproduce
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, though now that I'm using konqueror as my browser that makes it less convenient to test Konqi crashes...
[01:20] <JontheEchidna> Where did the ability to add an affected package in LP go?
[01:25] <jjesse> it disappeared in the wonderful upgrade to the new look and feel
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> Actually
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> if you change the source package in the url
[01:27] <JontheEchidna> and hit enter
[01:27] <JontheEchidna> It'll say that this bug isn't in the source package, and asks you if you want to open it there too
[01:42] <gnomefreak> what do i need to set my terminal to to view a .so file without it looksing like @@@@ all over it?
[01:46] <gnomefreak> ok gedit cant open it :(
[02:36] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: I thinks "also affects distribution"?
[02:36] <JontheEchidna> Oh hey, it is
[02:37] <yuriy> evening all
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> vorian: plasmoid-system-status has a new upstream release
[02:43] <vorian> eek
[02:43] <vorian> it's not even out of new yet!
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> lol
[04:59] <vorian> apachelogger: when you have a moment http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=darkroom
[08:30] <Riddell> seele: nice knm review
[08:38] <kduser> Going though it now :-)
[08:50] <Wubbbi> good morning everyone :D
[08:54]  * kduser waves
[08:54] <Wubbbi> I have got a Crash on Intrepid: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/28930/ Kubuntu or KDE bug?
[10:17] <Wubbbi> seems that everyone is still sleeping xD
[10:24] <Riddell> I expect that's an upstream crash
[10:25] <Wubbbi> Well i have reported it to #plasma and they have reported it ( as a Bug report ) to kde :) so my part is done :D
[11:15] <Wubbbi> I get a crash, when I try to watch Videos ( With Xine ) on Firefox. But the only massage I get is "Segmentation fault". Very strange. How to debug that? Terminal wont help
[11:19] <Wubbbi> on Konqueror it crashs too. So that is a Xine bug ( libxine 1.1.14-1ubuntu1 )  on Intrepid
[11:20] <Wubbbi> Konqueror shows me that: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/28952/
[11:20] <Wubbbi> any idea?
[12:43] <nixternal> mornin'
[12:46] <JontheEchidna> mornin'
[12:47] <Riddell> my inbox tells me that JontheEchidna wants to be a member
[12:47] <Riddell> we should convene the council for the solem and serious decision making process
[12:49] <ryanakca> Riddell: I'm guessing there wouldn't be any problem if Edubuntu wanted to use our Drupal theme?
[12:51] <Riddell> ryanakca: nope
[12:51] <Riddell> the theme should be put under some suitable free licence
[12:51]  * ryanakca nods, I'm not too sure what newz released it under
[12:51] <nixternal> Riddell: we should setup up a meeting for sometime soon
[12:51] <jussi01> Riddell: just so you know - that is me who asked for facebook friendship... (approval would be nice) :D
[12:54] <Nightrose> Riddell: on hardy since 4.1 RC 1 launching kde 3 programs launches the kde 4 version instead
[12:54] <Nightrose> launching from kickoff and krunner
[12:54] <Nightrose> patch got lost?
[12:56]  * txwikinger wonders why Nightrose sends patches by mail :D
[12:56] <Nightrose> hmmm?
[12:56] <txwikinger> well.. the mail often loses things :D
[12:56] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Also, looking for sponsorship for bug 248792
[12:57] <Nightrose> ;-)
[13:02]  * nixternal heads to work
[13:14]  * Riddell lunches, back soon
[13:27] <smarter> all plasmoids should be named plasmoid-foo now?
[13:27] <JontheEchidna> Yes plz
[13:28] <JontheEchidna> Or that's the consensus that vorian, apachelogger and I came to
[13:28] <smarter> ;)
[13:28] <smarter> I'll fill a bug for my kepas package then
[13:28] <smarter> but we should ask Debian first imho
[13:28] <smarter> are they already packaging applets?
[13:29] <JontheEchidna> Don't know
[13:29] <JontheEchidna> Does debian's bug database even have a web interface?
[13:29] <JontheEchidna> for reporting?
[13:30] <smarter> nop
[13:30] <smarter> but asks in #debian-qt-kde@irc.oftc.net
[13:30]  * JontheEchidna also has to go for now
[13:52] <seele> Riddell: thx
[14:29] <Wubbbi> hello :D
[14:43] <mooper> ello, I have a bit of a whine about firefox intergration if anyones interested
[14:48] <Hobbsee> mooper: don't whine.  use that energy to start putting forth actual patches to fix it.
[14:49] <Hobbsee> there's already a spec about it, if you're interested - has been for a while.
[14:54] <Riddell> trouble with firefox is we tend to use konqueror, and the firefox guys tend not to use KDE
[14:54] <Riddell> but the spec is on their side not ours :)
[14:54] <Hobbsee> making firefox useful for those who *do* use it with kubuntu would be very useful, though
[15:00] <Riddell> yep
[15:22] <seezer> can i somehow find out which compilation flags had been used on compilation of binary packages?
[15:23] <seezer> or what I'm really interested in: do qt(4) packages get build with QT_NO_(DEBUG|WARNING)_OUTPUT?
[15:27] <yuriy> seezer: download the source for a package (apt-get source) and look at the debian/rules file
[15:28] <seezer> yuriy: ah ok - so what's not in the rules file isn't called from somewhere else? alright then, thanks
[15:30] <seezer> or do those cdbs files contain anything like that?
[15:34] <mooper> Riddell: Hobbsee: I dont think I have the skills to do anything usfulll
[15:34] <mooper> where is the spec?
[15:40] <Riddell> seezer: nothing shows up grepping the build log for OUTPUT
[15:40] <Riddell> mooper: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/firefox-kde-integration-intrepid
[15:40] <Riddell> "Assignee: None"
[15:40] <Riddell> ah well
[15:40] <seezer> Riddell: nice, thank you
[15:42] <smarter> IIRC someone is working on a Qt frontend for Firefox
[16:00] <mooper> Intrepid?
[16:00] <mooper> Iguana?
[16:00] <mooper> Ibex?
[16:00] <mooper> Iceland Scallop
[16:06] <Riddell> smarter: only the fifth such project to do that :)
[16:07] <mooper> Riddel: sadly, thats way beyond my skill level
[16:07] <mooper> which is only just enough for making a good cup of tea
[16:08] <smarter> Riddell: true :p
[16:08] <smarter> that reminds me, I should update the webkitkde package with a new snapshot
[16:15] <Riddell> smarter: I e-mailed Urs the SoC student working on it, he doesn't think it'll be good enough for intrepid unfortunately
[16:16] <smarter> oh :/
[16:16] <smarter> we'll stick with khtml for the  moment then, it's not that bad :p
[16:21] <Riddell> smarter: but do take new snapshots when you get time and there's notable changes
[16:22] <smarter> Riddell: I'll do, once I'll be a MOTU ;)
[16:22] <smarter> s/once/when/
[16:22] <smarter> well, maybe once is appropriate in this context, don't know :P
[16:41] <smarter> bug #250551 << could someone please upload my fix?
[16:46] <smarter> Riddell maybe? ;) ^
[16:47] <Riddell> ok
[16:48] <smarter> thanks
[16:55] <Riddell> smarter: uploaded, mind and send the change to upstream
[16:55] <smarter> that's in my TODO list ;)
[17:12]  * Arby wanders in looking for things to work on
[17:16] <Arby> Riddell: do we have things that need packaging?
[17:17] <Riddell> Arby: there's a ktorrent merge on dholbach's sponsoring list
[17:17] <Arby> ok I'll look into it, is this a new list of some kind?
[17:17] <Riddell> webpage
[17:18] <Riddell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/
[17:18] <Riddell> it's for ktorrent-kde4 but we use ktorrent as the package name now so dunno if it's needed or not
[17:18] <Arby> I'll look
[17:24] <Half-Left> Hello, can I speak to a packager who does KDE4?
[17:26] <Riddell> that'll be us
[17:26] <Half-Left> hi, I heard you package svg's with the Oxygen icons?
[17:27] <Riddell> seems so, I should probably remove them to make some CD space
[17:28] <Half-Left> ok but you shouldn't because they are suorces only and will save you lots of bandwith
[17:29] <Arby> Riddell: short summary, ktorrent 3.1.1 is released, intrepid has 3.1~rc1, hardy has 3.0.1
[17:30] <Arby> Riddell: I assume we want intrepid updated, do we want 3.1.1 backported to hardy as well?
[17:31] <Riddell> Arby: yes we want intrepid updated, ktorrent-kde4 source package should be removed, I don't use backports so I can't say I'm fussed :)
[17:31] <Riddell> Half-Left: looks like we just install usr/share/icons/oxygen/* in kdebase-runtime currently
[17:31] <Riddell> Half-Left: so not installing the .svgz files would be good
[17:32] <Riddell> Half-Left: what's your interest?
[17:32] <Half-Left> I do artwork for KDE4
[17:32] <Riddell> bling bling
[17:32] <Half-Left> 4.2 actaully
[17:32] <Arby> Riddell: I'll do intrepid first. How do I get ktorrent-kde4 removed, use 'Replaces' in debian/control?
[17:33] <Riddell> Arby: replaces and conflicts yes, and file a bug on ktorrent-kde4 asking for removal subscribing ubuntu-archive
[17:33] <Arby> Riddell: thanks
[17:33] <Riddell> Half-Left: do you know who added all the new mouse themes to 4.1?
[17:34] <Half-Left> nope
[17:34] <Half-Left> oh
[17:34] <Half-Left> yes
[17:34] <Half-Left> Think it was Ruphy or pinheiro
[17:35] <toma> yeah, upstream
[17:37] <Riddell> they seem a bit excessive for kdebase, for the same space reasons
[17:38] <toma> splitting them off to something like oxygen-cursors makes sense
[17:39] <jtechidna> By the way, I'm backporting kdebindings-kde4 for the hardy ppa
[17:39] <Riddell> that's what I did with the wallpapers
[17:39] <Riddell> jtechidna: good luck!
[17:39] <Riddell> jtechidna: where did you get to with koffice?
[17:40] <Riddell> rediscovering kdeartwork would be good though
[17:40] <jtechidna> We fixed the FTBFS and ran into a few more which we also fixed
[17:40] <jtechidna> But it takes 6 hrs to build on my computer so vorian is doing the testbuildign
[17:40] <Riddell> mm, it's a beast to build
[17:40] <jtechidna> and I don't know if the latest works built yet
[17:40] <jtechidna> *builds
[17:40] <Riddell> jtechidna: you mean kde4bindings ?
[17:41] <jtechidna> koffice2
[17:41] <jtechidna> It took 15 mins for it to get to 3% built on my computer
[17:41] <jtechidna> vorian's computer can do it in an hour
[17:41] <jtechidna> So he's doing the testbuilding
[17:41] <Riddell> right, I changed the subject
[17:42] <Riddell> jtechidna: you mean kde4bindings rather than kdebindings-kde4 ?
[17:42] <jtechidna> right
[17:42] <Riddell> good good
[17:43] <ryanakca> Could someone look at 233972 please?
[17:43] <ryanakca> bug 233972 , unsure if I merged it properly
[17:46] <Riddell> ryanakca: looking
[17:46] <Riddell> ryanakca: looks groovy, uploading
[17:47] <ryanakca> Riddell: I'm pointing to the ``skipping'' patch part...
[17:48] <ryanakca> or is that just during the debian/rules clean section, it notices that it isn't applied, so skips unapplying it? (I'm not too familiar with just plain patch)
[17:52] <Riddell> ryanakca: yes that's fine
[17:52] <ryanakca> ok, thanks :)
[17:55] <ryanakca> Riddell: also, feel free to tweak the sentence describing the kubuntuway forums
[17:57] <Riddell> "yet another forum"
[17:59] <ryanakca> done. Also, how hard would it be to patch out the logout dialog options, where could I get the sources to do so, and what options need to be patched out? I'm guessing this is for KDE4?
[18:09] <Riddell> ryanakca: yes KDE 4
[18:09] <Riddell> not sure how hard, it depends if the menu just calls "logout dialog" or if it calls "shutdown" or "restart" or the specific option
[18:10] <Riddell> I think the code is shutdowndlg.cpp from ksmserver
[18:11] <Riddell> it would also be worth investigating why upstream hasn't got it showing only the one option as picked from the kmenu
[18:12]  * ryanakca nods
[18:14] <Riddell> ryanakca: probably best remove the "yet", it's a bit too derogitory
[18:15]  * ryanakca switches it back
[18:15] <toma> opensuse shows only the option selected from the kmenu
[18:25] <apachelogger> Oo
[18:25] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=darkroom I am wondering what that thing is doing
[18:25] <apachelogger> oh
[18:25] <apachelogger> re
[18:25] <apachelogger> btw
[18:25] <apachelogger> ;-)
[18:25] <Nightrose> haha
[18:25] <Nightrose> yea yea...
[18:27] <apachelogger> hm
[18:27] <apachelogger> actually quite boring
[18:27] <apachelogger> vorian: typo: Description: immage manipulation tool
[18:35] <apachelogger> vore: line 6 in control has a trailing whitespace which makes it exceed 80 characters :P
[18:39] <apachelogger> vorian even
[18:39] <apachelogger> vore: sorry
[18:40] <apachelogger> vorian: in the manpage: for the \fBKubuntu GNU/Linux\fP system.  ---- please use 'the Kubuntu system' since that is the official naming
[18:41] <jtechidna> PyKDE sorta takes a long time to build
[18:41]  * jtechidna runs off to do other things
[18:42] <apachelogger> jtechidna: dude, you have no idea how long all of kdebindings would take :S
[18:46] <apachelogger> vorian: and please tell upstream that DocPath in the desktop file should be X-KDE-DocPath, that Terminal=0 should use a boolean and the genericname is _far too_ generic
[18:50] <DRebellion> apachelogger, could I ask you something about posterazor?
[18:50] <apachelogger> DRebellion: I don't even know what that is, but you can certainly ask me ;-)
[18:51] <apachelogger> smarter: archived kvpm ppa1 upload to revu
[18:51] <apachelogger> smarter: what's the status of foxkit?
[18:53] <apachelogger> DRebellion: btw, what is the status of monkeystudio?
[18:54] <DRebellion> apachelogger, heh, it's another package i'm working on. The current version released on the website is 1.5, however this has a problem with gcc-4.3. The upstream developer has fixed it in a version called 1.5.1, however he has not been able to test the new package under os x yet (only win32 and linux). He has given me a link to the new, unreleased source package, http://www.casaportale.de/lagerraum/PosteRazor-1.5.1-Source.zip , which
[18:54] <DRebellion>  I have prepared and builds fine. Can I upload that package, or should I wait (it's been a couple of weeks) for it to be released after mac testing?
[18:54] <DRebellion> apachelogger, the package is ready, but the current release fails to build under amd64.
[18:54] <DRebellion> upstream says the dev branch works, but i can't test
[18:55] <DRebellion> also, the dev branch uses a debugging binary, etc, other oddities, etc.
[18:55] <DRebellion> so I am waiting for the next full release.
[18:55] <apachelogger> technically you will have to wait for the official release
[18:55] <DRebellion> =(
[18:55] <apachelogger> upstream could just release the source
[18:55] <DRebellion> ok
[18:55] <apachelogger> and if it doesn't work on osx
[18:56] <apachelogger> push 1.5.2 and skip the .1 release for osx
[18:56] <apachelogger> you might suggest that
[18:56] <DRebellion> I will bug upstream and ask them to do a release for win32 and linux only then.
[18:56] <DRebellion> s/them/him :P
[18:56] <apachelogger> ...or just don't tell anyone that it isn't official released, maybe none notices ;-)
[18:56] <DRebellion> hehe
[18:57] <apachelogger> vorian: status of kio-ftps?
[18:58] <smarter> hey apachelogger
[18:59]  * apachelogger waves to smarter
[18:59] <smarter> apachelogger: yeah, sorry for the upload to revu
[19:00] <apachelogger> ryanakca: archiving qtcurve on revu
[19:00] <smarter> I've not touched foxkit for sometimes now, I'll probably finish it soon, but first I've to make that why-I-think-I-should-be-a-motu page
[19:01]  * jtechidna fears for the amount of time kdebindings will take'
[19:01] <smarter> jtechidna: a lot
[19:01] <jtechidna> Hmm, it's up to PyQT4 now
[19:01] <jtechidna> *Qt
[19:05] <jtechidna> Bah, python plasmoids won't be supported until 4.2 is released
[19:06] <jtechidna> well, support will come in the pre-releases
[19:06]  * jtechidna sighs -_-
[19:06]  * apachelogger is singing ruby ruby ruby
[19:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did I upload konq-plugins yet?
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> Don't think so; did you ever get the email? I got a reutrn message saying that delivery was delayed or somethign
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: ^
[19:20] <apachelogger> oh well
[19:20] <apachelogger> I just hope you didn't break anything :P
[19:20]  * apachelogger uploads
[19:20]  * JontheEchidna never figured out how he was supposed to use them
[19:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: konqueror -> tools
[19:22] <apachelogger> or settings -> configure extensions to activate/deacitvate them
[19:22] <apachelogger> depends alot on the plugin really
[19:23]  * JontheEchidna can only see a Text-to-speech one
[19:23]  * JontheEchidna hopes that isn't bad
[19:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you actually install any plugin? :P
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> I installed the debs that debuild spit out
[19:27] <JontheEchidna> all of 'em
[19:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: maybe you use the wrong cdbs again? ;-)
[19:35] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[19:42] <Arby> Riddell: ktorrent update done, files are on lichts
[19:43] <Arby> is the backport worth doing?
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> does it fix the crash on exit?
[19:44] <JontheEchidna> If it does, the backport would fix a crash. :P
[19:44] <Arby> what crash on exit?
[19:44] <JontheEchidna> KTorrent 3.0.1 crashes on exit in Hardy
[19:44] <Arby> ok let me check the changelog
[19:45] <JontheEchidna> http://saroengels.blogspot.com/2008/07/sweet-dreams.html <- Plasma on windows
[19:46] <Riddell> Arby: there's no .orig .dsc .diff.gz on lichts
[19:46] <Arby> hmm, odd
[19:48] <Riddell> oh, wiat
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> Bah, kde4bindings ftbfs
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> missing files....
[19:51] <JontheEchidna> Oh, I guess I wasn't supposed to /usr/lib/kde4 that one
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> debuild -nc will make it not do a make clean, correct?
[19:53] <Riddell> yes
[19:54] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: fix it then run   dh_install --sourcedir=debian/tmp --list0missing
[19:54] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: fix it then run   dh_install --sourcedir=debian/tmp --list-missing
[19:54] <Riddell> repeat until it doesn't complain then debuild -nc
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> Woo, that was the only one
[19:56] <Arby> JontheEchidna: there's nothing obvious here about fixing a crash on exit
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> hmm...
[19:56] <Arby> did you have a specific bug number
[19:56] <Arby> brb
[19:57] <JontheEchidna> just a second
[19:58] <JontheEchidna> Arby: bug 227932
[19:59] <Arby> JontheEchidna: thanks
[19:59]  * JontheEchidna injects humor:
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/i-can-fix-thiz-sorta.jpg
[20:00] <JontheEchidna> (Disclaimer, I probably couldn't fix that crash :P)
[20:02] <Arby> :)
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> and kde4bindings builds!
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> :D
[20:06] <Nightrose> jcastro: hey :) just gone through brainstorm again and there are a lot of amarok ideas that can be closed as wontfix basically or could use an upstream comment - can you get me admin rights to do that?
[20:06] <Nightrose> or is that not possible yet?
[20:06] <jcastro> Nightrose: I can't personally give you admin rights, but nand or stgraber can
[20:06] <jcastro> I think nand is on holiday though
[20:07] <Nightrose> ok
[20:07] <Nightrose> thx
[20:07] <jcastro> no worries, thanks for looking after them!
[20:07] <Nightrose> :)
[20:09] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: can I send kde4bindings 4.0.98~hardy~ppa1 over to you?
[20:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: sure
[20:10] <Arby> JontheEchidna: no real idea whether 3.1.1 fixes that bug or not
[20:10] <Arby> best solution is probably to do the backport and tet to find out
[20:10] <Arby> s/tet/test/
[20:10]  * JontheEchidna agrees
[20:10] <Wubbbi> hello to everyone :D
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> Hi
[20:13] <Wubbbi> JontheEchidna: is there something easy to fix? I want to learn more :D. Now I know hoe to creat a gpg and how the get a source and how to edit a file :D
[20:13]  * JontheEchidna can't think of anything
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> But that's good I guess :P
[20:13] <Wubbbi> guess what?
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> what?
[20:14] <Wubbbi> ohhh ... I have read wrong xD sorry
[20:19] <yuriy> Wubbbi: look at bugs and see what there is you can fix!
[20:19] <Wubbbi> hihi ^^
[20:20] <yuriy> Wubbbi: maybe start with bugs tagged bitesize or packaging
[20:20] <Wubbbi> how to searc for bug? It's a bit difficult on Launchpad :/
[20:20] <Wubbbi> search
[20:22] <Wubbbi> JontheEchidna: can I use created GPG-Keys always or just one time?
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> always
[20:22] <Wubbbi> ahhh ok good to know :)
[20:23] <Wubbbi> thx
[20:24] <yuriy> Wubbbi: go to bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ and go to the advanced search. there you can put in keywords, what status you want, and what tags you want
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sent
[20:32] <Wubbbi> yuriy: ahhh thank you :D
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, I should probably backport kdeutils and kdesdk next
[20:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: please add libzip-dev to kdeutils
[20:38] <apachelogger> otherwise ark doesn't support zippy files
[20:39] <Arby> if I'm backporting ktorrent3.1.1 to hardy should I name the package ktorrent or ktorrent-kde4?
[20:39] <Wubbbi> apachelogger: This was I bug, I had today too :)
[20:40] <apachelogger> Arby: -kde4
[20:40] <Arby> thanks
[20:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bindings uploaded
[20:42] <Wubbbi> JontheEchidna: Is it easy to add libzyp-dev to kdeutils? If it was can I do this? :D
[20:50] <Arby> ktorrent3.1.1/debian has gained several files that don't exist in 3.0.x /debian
[20:51] <Arby> is it safe to just copy those files across
[20:51] <Arby> or is that likely to break things
[20:51] <Arby> for example .install .lintian .postinst.debhelper
[20:51] <Arby> quite a few actually
[20:59] <smarter> apachelogger: I've finally updated my wiki page :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GuillaumeMartres
[20:59]  * Wubbbi klapps his hands for smarter
[20:59] <Wubbbi> :D
[21:00] <smarter> :)
[21:01] <Wubbbi> smarter: You are just 15 years old? oO .. so younger than me ^^
[21:02] <apachelogger> Arby: depends on the files' content really
[21:02] <apachelogger> .lintian only overrides lintian overrides for example
[21:02] <apachelogger> .install probably needs path changes
[21:03] <apachelogger> smarter: https://edge.launchpad.net/~smarter/+packages is changing
[21:03] <Arby> apachelogger: does it seem reasonable to copy them and see what debuild complains about?
[21:03] <apachelogger> smarter: like when someone uploads a newer version to intrepid the packages will disappear
[21:04] <apachelogger> smarter: so I suggest to actually protocol all your work
[21:04] <smarter> apachelogger: ok
[21:04] <apachelogger> Arby: if you can upload to the ppa -> no, if you can't -> yes ;-)
[21:05] <Arby> I can't so I'll go with that option
[21:05] <apachelogger> Arby: I think only the .install files should require changes
[21:05] <apachelogger> adding /usr/lib/kde4/ as prefix to everything
[21:05] <Arby> apachelogger: I was expecting those
[21:06] <Arby> also I'm confused by the debian changelogs, let me pastebin
[21:06]  * apachelogger is updating the kde.org content
[21:06] <apachelogger> Arby: is there already a backport?
[21:08] <Wubbbi> JontheEchidna seems to sleep xD
[21:08] <Arby> apachelogger: no, newest in hardy is 3.0.1, I'm working on 3.1.1
[21:09] <apachelogger> Arby: yeah
[21:09] <apachelogger> just copy the official changes since 3.0.1 at the beginning of the new backport
[21:09] <apachelogger> and add your backport entry
[21:10] <Arby> ok
[21:11]  * JontheEchidna was away
[21:11] <Wubbbi> hihi ^
[21:11] <Wubbbi> ^
[21:11]  * JontheEchidna won't be going to sleep for another 6 hours :P
[21:11] <Wubbbi> lol
[21:12] <Wubbbi> JontheEchidna: Is it easy to add libzyp-dev to kdeutils? If it was can I do this? :D
[21:13] <JontheEchidna> That's not all that has to be done
[21:13] <Arby> apachelogger: does this look ok, http://paste.ubuntu.com/29092/
[21:13] <Wubbbi> JontheEchidna: :(
[21:14] <apachelogger> Arby: sure
[21:14] <Arby> thanks
[21:14] <apachelogger> it doesn't really matter all that much for the ppa ;-)
[21:14] <Arby> I still prefer to do it right so that I understand when it does matter :)
[21:16] <Wubbbi> Well If i have nothing to do, let me go to bed ... Its 22:15 o'clock ^^ see you tomorw :D
[21:16] <Wubbbi> tomorow
[21:16] <Wubbbi> I'm very tired
[21:16] <JontheEchidna> 16:16 here
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: oh crap, I think I know why I can't find any of the plugins
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> I forgot to rename the .install files
[21:25] <apachelogger> *thumbsup*
[21:25] <apachelogger> :P
[21:27] <apachelogger> "KDE is a very big project" or "KDE is a very large project"?
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> Both work, afaik. But I think the latter is more "proper".
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> you could even go with "KDE is a rather expansive project"
[21:28] <apachelogger> simplified english
[21:28] <raphink_> "KDE is a big bunch of code"
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> "a series of tubes"
[21:28] <apachelogger> tubes ftw
[21:30] <raphink_> "KDE is a big stuff with tons of programs"
[21:32] <Daskreech> KDE is a group of three letters. Please enjoy
[21:41]  * Arby is having problems with patches
[21:41] <Arby> ktorrent backport fails to build with http://paste.ubuntu.com/29101/
[21:42] <smarter> trying to stop smoking? :}
[21:42] <Arby> the patch is against 3.1.1 and doesn't exist in 3.0.1
[21:42] <Arby> :P
[21:42] <Arby> I have no idea how to deal with that
[21:42] <smarter> apachelogger: updated my wiki page, again :P
[21:45] <apachelogger> smarter: perfect
[21:46] <apachelogger> smarter: now you just need some wicked photo so that we can buy you a coke when meeting :-P
[21:46] <smarter> I'll try to find one ;)
[21:47] <smarter> so, what is the process to become a master of da universe now?
[21:47] <apachelogger> that is a very good question
[21:47]  * apachelogger is totally confused by the new contributors thingy
[21:47]  * JontheEchidna just does what he keeps doing
[21:47] <apachelogger> but as I understand it - first you need to apply as ubuntu contributor
[21:48] <smarter> launchpad group?
[21:48] <apachelogger> which is basically yet another form of ubuntu membership
[21:48] <apachelogger> smarter: motu-council
[21:48] <JontheEchidna> Question: to autostart .destkop files get /usr/lib/kde4'd?
[21:48] <apachelogger> and the fact that it is basically an ubuntu membership makes we wonder whether one has to apply for that thing even if already approved as ubuntu member
[21:49] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: everything
[21:49] <apachelogger> \sh: are you around?
[21:49] <JontheEchidna> not application .deskotp files
[21:49] <smarter> hmm
[21:49] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: every file
[21:49] <apachelogger> smarter: best thing is to ask in ubuntu-motu
[21:50] <apachelogger> but I think you need to apply for contributor
[21:50] <apachelogger> then contribute
[21:50] <apachelogger> and then become motu
[21:50] <smarter> apachelogger: I'll ask that tomorrow, it's late here (:
[21:50] <apachelogger> tell me about it :P
[21:50] <smarter> g'night everybody
[21:50] <apachelogger> nini smarter
[21:51] <jpds> bonsoir smarter
[21:51] <Arby> apachelogger: if it's not too late could you have a look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/29101/
[21:51] <Arby> I'm confused by this patch
[21:52] <Arby> it's new in 3.1.1 and it's blocking this backport from building
[21:52] <Arby> and I can't find anything in the changelog to say what it actually does
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sent you new konq-plugins
[21:54] <Arby> starting to think this may be beyond my skills :(
[21:57] <apachelogger> Arby: take a look at the patch and at the patched files
[21:58] <apachelogger> maybe it got applied upstream
[21:58] <apachelogger> though
[21:58] <apachelogger> how did it apply
[21:58] <apachelogger> very strange issue I have to say
[21:58] <Arby> what do you mean by how did it apply?
[21:59] <Arby> it's probably my fault, there's quite a lot of difference in /debian between 3.0.1 and 3.1.1
[22:00] <apachelogger> Arby: well, just get a clean source tree (i.e. extact the orig tarball again) and copy your debian/ in
[22:00] <apachelogger> then it should be working
[22:02] <Arby> apachelogger: good call, somewhere between beta and final the patch got rolled into the main source
[22:02] <Arby> should have thought of that
[22:05] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: forgot I was still debuilding before sending the new konq-plugins, lol
[22:05]  * JontheEchidna did something wrong...
[22:07]  * apachelogger thinks that JontheEchidna needs upload rights to the ppa to get that special feeling when users come after one because everything is broken :P
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> what the heck?
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/config/translaterc': No such file or directory
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> jonathan@jonathan-desktop:~/ubuntu/konqplugins-hardy/konq-plugins-kde4-4.1~svn831460$ dh_install --sourcedir=debian/tmp --list-missing
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/config/translaterc': No such file or directory
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> Ooh, I see, extra /
[22:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: correct cdbs?
[22:07] <apachelogger> not the extra / it is
[22:08] <JontheEchidna> hmm, nevermind
[22:08]  * JontheEchidna has correct cdbs
[22:08] <Riddell> Arby: ktorrent uploaded thanks, please close that bug on the sponsoring bit saying thanks for his contribution
[22:09] <Arby> Riddell: thanks for uploading
[22:09] <Arby> Riddell: do you still want me to file a bug about removing ktorrent-kde4?
[22:10] <Riddell> Arby: oh aye please.  my archive day tomorrow so I'll do that and some more
[22:11] <apachelogger> the some more is hopefully amarok-kde4 ;-)
[22:11] <apachelogger> alpha2 coming up
[22:11] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://www.kde.org/whatiskde/project.php
[22:12]  * JontheEchidna is 100% sure he has correct cdbs, but is still running into the ftbfs
[22:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: just comment out that install line
[22:12] <Nightrose> apachelogger++
[22:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: once it built run make -f debian/rules list-missing
[22:13] <Arby> Riddell: actually, does the sponsoring bug count as closed, the users experiencing it are on hardy not intrepid
[22:13] <Arby> so unless I can make this backport build the fix won't reach them
[22:13] <Arby> I'm sure you're right, just trying to understand
[22:14] <apachelogger> Nightrose: did you do any pushing on accessibility yet?
[22:14] <Nightrose> nope
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, looks like kdeutils might be a long builder too
[22:15] <apachelogger> Arby: grab the intrepid source and try to build it in hardy-backports enabled chroot
[22:16] <apachelogger> if it builds against kdelibs 4.0.x we can do a hardy-backports backport
[22:16] <apachelogger> otherwise we have to go with the kde4 ppa
[22:16]  * JontheEchidna notes that 4.1 final is tagged tomorrow.
[22:16] <apachelogger> hm
[22:17] <Arby> apachelogger: ok, I think I'm going to have start over anyway, I've made a mess of this
[22:17] <apachelogger> ^_^
[22:17] <JontheEchidna> Is 4.1 going to Hardy backports?
[22:17] <apachelogger> ah right, we can't do an officlal backpot anyway
[22:17] <apachelogger> *backport
[22:18] <JontheEchidna> oh well
[22:19]  * JontheEchidna hopes Intrepid becomes stable-ish soon
[22:19] <apachelogger> it isn't?
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> ...in regards to 3D and proprietary drivers
[22:20]  * JontheEchidna hugs KWin
[22:20] <apachelogger> hm
[22:20] <apachelogger> if
[22:20] <apachelogger> they would use that dkms thingy from dell
[22:20] <apachelogger> there wouldn't be any problem
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> dkms?
[22:21] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: dynamic kernel module support
[22:21] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://linux.dell.com/projects.shtml#dkms
[22:21] <JontheEchidna> sounds... dynamic!
[22:21] <sebas> apachelogger: if the proprietary drivers actually work with new xorg and kernel, dkms would work as well
[22:21] <Arby> Riddell: before I do the subscription, do you need more info than this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent-kde4/+bug/250626
[22:21]  * sebas is just trying newest ati w/ 2.6.26
[22:21] <apachelogger> sebas: nvidia works ;-)
[22:22] <apachelogger> and even then... we all got an intel onboard chip, right? ;-)
[22:22] <sebas> apachelogger: not with kwin though :)
[22:22] <sebas> apachelogger: we do, users don't.
[22:22] <sebas> As a matter of fact, I don't.
[22:22] <apachelogger> users don't use itnrepid :P
[22:23] <apachelogger> *intrepid
[22:23] <sebas> that leaves only me :'/
[22:23] <apachelogger> :(
[22:23]  * apachelogger hands sebas a beer
[22:23] <apachelogger> also provides fancy graphics ;-)
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> Actually KWin works great with my GeForce 4 MX 440
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> ironic, isn't it?
[22:23] <ScottK-laptop> Arby: Did you review https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PackageArchive?highlight=%28CategoryUbuntuDevelopment%29#head-6a4a4d2ad0cc004c6199f465539e3bbc2239291e
[22:24] <sebas> apachelogger: lsd works better with fancy graphics, or so I've heard.
[22:24] <apachelogger> I am quite sure beer tastes better though
[22:24] <sebas> JontheEchidna: no signs of https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16538 ?
[22:24] <Arby> ScottK-laptop: no I filed it because I was asked to, reading now.
[22:24] <sebas> Yeah, but you usually don't drink a pint of lsd
[22:25] <sebas> So that's moot.
[22:25] <sebas> And they're not mutually exclusive anyway
[22:25] <apachelogger> true
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> sebas: half a  second max
[22:25] <sebas> what exactly, JontheEchidna?
[22:25] <sebas> Vdesktopswitching?
[22:25] <sebas> Or resizing konsole?
[22:26] <sebas> And is that the legacy driver or the 'real' one?
[22:26] <JontheEchidna> resizing konsole
[22:26] <sebas> That's faster than my 7600gs
[22:26] <JontheEchidna> nvidia-glx which is the 90.x
[22:26] <JontheEchidna> 96.43.05
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> Bet you're envious of my smokin' card. :P
[22:30]  * JontheEchidna never thought he'd see the day where his videocard actually was 5 times faster than anybody else's
[22:31] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yay, all files included now
[22:31] <JontheEchidna> ...and the bookmarks show up!
[22:32] <JontheEchidna> *extenstoins
[22:32] <Arby> ScottK-laptop: for this line, mention to remove both source and all binaries
[22:33] <Arby> if we remove the source do we also have to remove the binaries?
[22:33] <ScottK-laptop> Arby: If you want binary packages removed, you need to list them.
[22:33] <ScottK-laptop> Depends on if the same binary is being built from another source packages now.
[22:34]  * JontheEchidna hugs google searchbar
[22:34] <Arby> the reason for the removal is that ktorrent-kde4 becomes ktorrent in intrepid
[22:34] <Arby> so I guess the answer is yes
[22:34] <Arby> both binary and source package names have changed
[22:39] <Arby> ScottK-laptop: does this look acceptable to you now? bug 250626
[22:40]  * ScottK-laptop looks
[22:42] <ScottK-laptop> Arby: Look at it now.
[22:44] <Arby> ScottK-laptop: so the content was ok? I deliberately left subscribers, status etc until I had that sorted
[22:44] <Arby> minimise e-mail churn et
[22:44] <Arby> *etc
[22:45] <ScottK-laptop> Arby: Yes.  That's why I confirmed it and subscribed the archive.
[22:45] <Arby> ok thanks
[22:45]  * Arby has one more go at this backport before giving up for the night
[22:52] <Arby> what the... debuild is trying to apply a patch I just deleted
[22:52] <Arby> :(
[22:52] <Riddell> check debian/patches/series
[22:53] <Arby> Riddell: there isn't one, there is only one patch, which is no longer needed so I removed the whole of debian/patches.
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: having a tad bit of trouble with kmail, konq-plugins coming soon
[22:55] <apachelogger> Arby: did you apply the patch?
[22:56] <apachelogger> oh
[22:56] <Arby> apachelogger: no, it's been incorporated into the source so is no longer needed.
[22:57] <apachelogger> Arby: are you sure it's applying and not unapplying?
[22:57] <Arby> no
[22:57] <apachelogger> so, how does quilt know about that patch if there is no patches directory Oo
[22:57] <Arby> I no longer have any idea what is happening
[22:57] <Arby> that's what I want to know
[22:57] <apachelogger> Arby: are you sure you deleted it in the right directory?
[22:58]  * Arby triplecheck
[22:58] <Arby> s
[22:58]  * apachelogger usually works in 3 branches at the same time leading to that kind of issue ;-)
[22:58] <JontheEchidna> bah, gmail is being retarded
[22:58] <Arby> yes definitely the right directory
[22:59] <apachelogger> Arby: tar up the directory and send it over
[22:59]  * apachelogger can't think of any other cause realy
[22:59] <JontheEchidna> brb, restarting router
[22:59] <apachelogger> we should get a kolab setup for kubuntu.org
[22:59] <Arby> apachelogger: ok, I suspect it's a pebkac :)
[23:00] <Arby> apachelogger: the whole source tree, or just the debian directory
[23:00] <Arby> ?
[23:00] <apachelogger> Arby: former
[23:00] <Arby> k
[23:04] <Arby> apachelogger: incoming
[23:05] <Arby> maybe, eventually
[23:05]  * apachelogger is afraid of the impact
[23:06] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sent konq-plugins ppa3
[23:08] <Arby> sent at last
[23:13] <vorian> yee haa
[23:14] <vorian> how goes
[23:14] <JontheEchidna> good
[23:14] <JontheEchidna> vorian: any progress on koffice2? :P
[23:14] <vorian> nope
[23:14] <JontheEchidna> where do we stand right now?
[23:15] <vorian> there is some problem with the icons in koffice-data icons
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> the insert table one?
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> or a different one?
[23:46]  * JontheEchidna is improving at backporting
[23:46]  * apachelogger is enjoying is crappy connection today
[23:47] <apachelogger> omg Arby left
[23:47] <JontheEchidna> hmm, still no .zip support in ark even with libzyp-dev :/
[23:48] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: could you ark --version for me?
[23:48] <apachelogger> me@apoc:~/tmp/ktorrent-3.1.1$ ark --version
[23:48] <apachelogger> Qt: 4.4.0
[23:48] <apachelogger> KDE: 4.00.98 (KDE 4.0.98 (4.1 RC1))
[23:48] <apachelogger> Ark: 2.9.999
[23:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: maybe libarchive
[23:48]  * apachelogger isn't sure about that anymore
[23:49] <JontheEchidna> heh
[23:49] <JontheEchidna> so 2.9.999 is RC1?
[23:49] <apachelogger> aye
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> good
[23:53] <JontheEchidna> libZzip is what cmake wants
[23:53] <JontheEchidna> libzzip-dev, then
[23:53] <apachelogger> ok
[23:53] <apachelogger> I think
[23:54] <apachelogger> it was like libarchive -> libzip -> libzzip
[23:54] <apachelogger> eventually ark could stick with some lib at some point ;-)
[23:54] <apachelogger> hm
[23:54] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: zzip only proivdes read access apparently
[23:55] <JontheEchidna> + LibZip: A library for reading, creating, and modifying ZIP archives <http://www.nih.at/libzip> <cmake sez
[23:55] <JontheEchidna> so sez upstream website too
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> So libzzip-dev as build-dep for the source package
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> libzzip-0-13 as a dep for ark-kde4
[23:57] <JontheEchidna> sound good?
[23:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: libzip != libzzip
[23:57] <JontheEchidna> ?
[23:57] <JontheEchidna> I said libzzip both times
[23:57] <JontheEchidna> oh, nvm
[23:57] <apachelogger> upstream website doesn't :P
[23:57] <apachelogger> neither does the pasted output
[23:58] <JontheEchidna> libzip and libzip-dev
[23:58] <apachelogger> if (LIBZIP_FOUND)
[23:58] <apachelogger> 	add_subdirectory( libzipplugin )
[23:58] <apachelogger> endif (LIBZIP_FOUND)
[23:59] <JontheEchidna> *libzip1
[23:59] <apachelogger> hm
[23:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: where do you read libzzip?
[23:59] <Daskreech> 4
[23:59] <JontheEchidna> JontheEchidna: I don't, I suck at reading tonight
[23:59] <apachelogger> cool :)
[23:59] <apachelogger> +1