=== mbp_ is now known as poolie [00:19] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/250340 "Add a comment/attachment" ... how? [00:20] Launchpad bug 250340 in ubuntu "alt install: Cannot find /lib/modules/2.6.26-4-generic" [Undecided,New] [00:21] CarlFK: are you asking how to add a comment or an attachment or both? [00:21] CarlFK: click on the link, and a form should appear [00:21] CarlFK: needs JS [00:21] CarlFK: or if JS is disabled, it *should* take you to another page [00:31] i reloaded the page, now it is a link [01:02] thumper: You are of course assuming that production is serving CSS and JS. That isn't a valid assumption at this point. [01:26] Hi, I messed up here.. I accidentally created a milestone named '1.1' inside the 'trunk' release series, which I don't use. I just realized this after already filing bugs under this milestone. How can I move the milestone to the '1.0' series, and delete the 'trunk' series? [01:26] my project is at https://launchpad.net/twitkit [02:37] hi, are there any launchpad admins in here? I need this release series to be deleted https://launchpad.net/twitkit/trunk [02:40] hansengel, please file an answer ticket (see irc top) and someone should get around to it tomorrow during the week [02:43] Rinchen: okay, thanks [04:26] hey, who do i talk to if i need a project to be renamed? [04:26] Wofl: answers.launchpad.net/launchpad [04:28] not possible to find someone on irc really fast? [04:29] Wofl: probably not at this time. [04:29] ok, thanks [04:29] Wofl: and i'm not sure that "really fast" is a priority for launchpad. [04:29] (in general, anyway) [04:34] :) === asac_ is now known as asac [04:43] its ok, i just submitted it there [04:43] lets see how long that tkaes [04:44] takes* [05:00] Wofl: name changed. Sorry for delay. Was recovering a downed server. :-) === jamesh_ is now known as jamesh [05:17] hey that was actually pretty fast :-) [05:42] thanks a lot [05:43] did you see my question regarding a redirect? [05:54] yeah, LP isn't set up to handle redirects right now [05:54] we have raised it before WRT renaming projects [05:54] cool URLs don't die and all that [06:09] thumper: just toss a php file in there for now? or that too much extra? [06:10] haha [06:10] sorry [06:10] the entire system is "virtual" [06:10] a zope based web servcie [06:10] service [06:16] i see... [06:47] should i register a ndiswrapprer project and have a like to the real page? [07:10] I have a branch in my project, which has one subscriber. I cant delete that branch, and I cant figure out how to remove that subscriber. Can someone help me? [07:12] lut4rp: you have to contact the subscriber and ask them to unsubscribe. [07:13] jml, even if I am the admin of the project? [07:13] lut4rp: yep. [07:13] jml, thanks [08:17] morning folks [08:20] what's the best way to make the bug tracker changes go to a mailing list? sorry if that's sort of a common question, but I'm still waiting for answers.lp.n to come up for me, I'm on a really lousy connection [08:34] kblin: you can create a team, setting the mailing list address as the 'contact address'. you can then subscribe that team to the project's bugs. [08:37] I can make a team a member of another team, right? === thumper changed the topic of #launchpad to: https://launchpad.net/ | Next meeting, all welcome: Thu 17 July 2008, 1800UTC #launchpad-meeting | Help: https://help.launchpad.net | Questions and spam reports: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad | Channel logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Code Scanner is back! [08:42] kblin: yes [08:44] BjornT: ok, that'll do then. Thanks :) === mdz_ is now known as mdz === stub1 is now known as stub [09:57] any LP admins awake yet? [09:58] I am using bazaar and lp for the first time. sorry if this is dumb, but i am unable to figure out how to push to trunk. I have an ssh key. can someone help me? [10:03] lut4rp: what command are you trying? [10:03] lut4rp: and what error are you getting? [10:04] spiv: i dont think he has by the sound of it hes not sure of the commands [10:04] spiv, i am trying "bzr push lp:poonji" as it says on my project page. [10:04] i was gonna look they all up [10:04] strangely, i have got no response or error for the past 15 mins. [10:04] lut4rp: did you commit first? [10:05] gnomefreak, sorry, what do you mean by that? [10:05] lut4rp: you have to commit the files that you are trying to push. [10:05] lut4rp: hold on i have all the commmands you need [10:06] gnomefreak, okay. [10:07] hmm, its saying on LP, Branch format 6 [10:07] damn i dont have them but first you have to make your local files a branch [10:07] Repository format: Packs containing knits without subtree support [10:07] gnomefreak, and how do I do that? [10:08] lut4rp: you mean the 'bzr push lp:poonji' command has given no response for 15 minutes? [10:08] lut4rp: theres bzr docs online. iirc its "init" than "commit" than push but you would have to read docs. once i get a sec ill find them [10:09] spiv, you're right. I am on ubuntu hardy, if that's needed. [10:10] okay, i did do "init" [10:10] * lut4rp looks up "commit" [10:10] lut4rp: it commits the files to get them ready to be pushed [10:11] hmm, it should be more verbose :) [10:11] lut4rp: you should have gotten a response from the command like "No revisions to push." [10:12] spiv, but I didn't. I cancelled it anyway now. [10:13] lut4rp: yeah, that sounds like a bug. If you could pastebin your ~/.bzr.log I'd be interested to see where it got stuck. [10:13] lut4rp: Anyway, http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/mini-tutorial/index.html is worth looking over if you haven't already. [10:13] oh thanks! [10:14] spiv: are you LP admin by chance? [10:15] gnomefreak: nope [10:15] Just a bzr developer (and ex-launchpad developer). [10:16] it seems teams only have a month when you renew the membership this has just happened ice had team for over a year now i have to renew every month [10:17] gnomefreak: that doesn't sound good, but unfortunately I don't know anything about that. [10:17] Why isn't Launchpad open-source? [10:17] alecw1: parts of it is [10:17] just not the part we use ;) [10:17] which parts? [10:17] alecw1: https://help.launchpad.net/FAQ#Is%20Launchpad%20Free%20Software/open%20source?%20If%20not,%20why%20not? [10:19] gnomefreak: The team admin sets the renewal period... [10:19] So, it's closed because (1) you don't want "multiple launchpads", and (2) it helps funding? [10:19] wgrant: i set it to not expire when i made it over a year ago [10:19] or longer [10:19] gnomefreak: That sounds unlikely and bad. [10:20] Created on: 2006-12-27 [10:20] And none of my teams work like that. [10:20] What are the settings? [10:20] Will Launchpad ever release it's source? [10:20] its* [10:20] aafter hitting renew i got Membership renewed until 2008-08-26. [10:20] a month? [10:20] alecw1: 'Unlike those other services, we have committed to making Launchpad Free Software.' [10:21] gnomefreak: How is the team configured, what do you expect to happen, and what happens? [10:21] Okay, but I'm wondering why it's not open-source, not "free". [10:21] Subscription period: 0 [10:21] Open source is almost sysnonymous with Free. [10:21] *synonymous [10:22] wgrant: i expect it to work the same way since the date i showed you above [10:22] gnomefreak: Huh? What does the date have to do with anything? [10:22] wgrant: https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam [10:22] wgrant: no, that's not true at all. Things that are free as in "free beer" are not the same as "you can look at the ingredients, and the recipe here, for free." [10:22] alecw1: 'Free Software' has a specific meaning. [10:22] wgrant: the sate i created it. this is the first time i had to renew it and now it seems like its monthly [10:22] Meaning free as in speech, not as in beer. [10:23] s/sate/date [10:23] gnomefreak: You probably have an expiry date set... [10:23] What does it mean that it is free "as in speech"? [10:23] alecw1: in this sentence "Free Software" is meant as in "free speech", LP is already free so there would be no point in saying "we have commited to making" otherwise [10:24] alecw1: Same as it means for any other piece of Free Software. [10:24] alecw1: if you want to fix the free as in beer vs. free as in speech thing, find out where to file a bug about the English language [10:24] wgrant: no i just showed you. please look at https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam === lut4rp is now known as lut4rp--away [10:24] and give me a hint on wtf is wrong [10:24] gnomefreak: Subscript period != your expiry date [10:24] *subscription period, damnit. === rraphink is now known as raphink [10:25] is 0 [10:25] wgrant: I'm not sure what "free as in in free-speech" metaphor means. Can you explain? [10:25] alecw1: for all practical purposes, "free as in free speech" for software means open source [10:25] gnomefreak: Have you altered your expiration date since you were last asked to renew? And are you sure it's on that team? [10:26] alecw1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Software is good. [10:26] wgrant: no this is the first time i had to renew [10:26] you mean, "I have the right to browse the code source." [10:26] i havent touched any settings [10:26] because "open source" literally means... "open source". [10:26] alecw1: there's some philosophical connotations to both "Open Source" and "Free Software" [10:27] alecw1: But Free Software implies something extra. [10:27] Not just that it is "free" as in beer? [10:27] There are many Open Source licenses which are unfortunately not Free Software. [10:27] RIght. [10:28] So, how does the community benefit from a project being "free software" without releasing its source? [10:28] alecw1: yeah, but what about a license where you're allowed to see the source, but not to modify it? :) [10:28] That's not possible. [10:28] Free Software implies Open Source. [10:28] But not vice-versa. [10:28] found the issue and fixed it [10:28] Then Launchpad should be open source, right? [10:28] gnomefreak: What was the issue? [10:28] If you claim to be "free software". [10:28] alecw1: They do not claim to be free software. [10:28] They claim they will be. [10:29] "we have committed to making Launchpad Free Software. " [10:29] alecw1: please read the page you were pointed to before ... "we have committed to making Launchpad Free Software." [10:29] Oh. [10:29] wgrant: i missunderstood since mozillateam is owner of mozillasquad it was mozillasquad page that was causing it [10:29] So, you are NOT "Free Software" right now. [10:29] indeed [10:29] gnomefreak: Aha. So I was right: "And are you sure it's on that team?" [10:29] it was saying mozillateam as owner the relationship between 2 team would expire [10:29] Therefore, you have committed to release the source code, eventually, correct? [10:29] alecw1: Note that there are no official Launchpad people involved in this conversation right now. [10:29] yep [10:30] wgrant: noted. =) [10:30] Has Launchpad made any progress to just "eventually"? [10:30] You must specify a default renewal period greater than 0. [10:30] since when [10:30] I mean, it would be great to have a timeframe, or some sort of specification for when they will release the backend. [10:31] gnomefreak: Leave it blank, I suspect. [10:31] wgrant: same thing [10:31] alecw1: the way I read the FAQ, it seems so [10:31] * kblin shrugs [10:31] I have to admit I don't care. :) [10:31] gnomefreak: Ensure you have the first option selected. [10:31] its optional so i shouldnt have to put anything there and im assuming nothing == 0 [10:31] AS one can't automatically renew for 0 days. [10:31] I mean, they have "dedicated" to "becoming" free software, but I would like some sort of real commitment that it WILL happen. [10:31] alecw1: As would we all. [10:32] alecw1: Parts have been released. [10:32] subscription policy == openteam [10:32] gnomefreak: No, the renewal policy. [10:32] wgrant: which parts? significant ones? [10:32] subscription period == 30 [10:32] alecw1: Storm is pretty significant, I suspect. [10:32] gnomefreak: Period != policy. [10:32] next invite them to renew their own memebership [10:32] Oh, there is a paragraph showing what they have released. [10:33] renewal period == problem [10:33] gnomefreak: Right, that's the problem. [10:33] gnomefreak: Set it to not allow them to renew their own? [10:33] alecw1: you're preaching to the choir here. I doubt any foss developer would mind more open source software [10:33] yeah, releasing cscvs really enabled community contributions! [10:33] gnomefreak: You can't allow them to renew their own but then say you can only renew for 0 time. [10:33] [10:33] mwhudson: But cscvs is useless as we have bzr-svn. [10:33] And it seems to work. [10:33] Whereas other parts of LP do not. [10:33] kblin: I'm certainly not trying to preach, I'm just trying to understand, and get some sort of feel for the current status with launchpad's status as free software. [10:34] wgrant: it's still the best choice for importing cvs when you don't have the ,v files, afaik [10:34] * gnomefreak confused only thing that matches that is renew their membersip auto.. also notifie admins [10:34] mwhudson: Probably so. [10:34] gnomefreak: EPARSE [10:34] 'invite them to apply for renewal' [10:34] (i would actually be extremely interested if i'm wrong about this) [10:34] When someone's membership is about to expire, notify them and: [10:35] 05:33 < wgrant > gnomefreak: You can't allow them to renew their own but then say you can only renew for 0 time. [10:35] I can't think of a reason they wouldn't release the source code, either. They are currently well established in the open-source community, thus, they probably don't have to worry about being one-upped by someone with their own source. [10:35] gnomefreak: Yes? [10:35] you are conflicting comments [10:35] gnomefreak: Where is this conflict? [10:35] you said dont let them renew [10:36] I don't see where I've said otherwise. [10:36] wgrant: oh i see it i had to scroll :( [10:36] That form needs rewording, but it's quite intelligible. [10:36] alecw1: hm, sorry, that's a figure of speech. I mean you're telling this to people who will agree with you [10:36] wgrant: it sounded conflicking sinc ei couldnt see whole page [10:36] gnomefreak: Ah. [10:36] It is strange that it's labelled as optional when it is in fact required most of the time. [10:36] And I shall now run off and file a bug. [10:36] ok so everything will stay good than? [10:37] gnomefreak: If you have the first radio button selected, it should let you pass. [10:37] kblin: well, I guess it ended up like that, yes. But originally I was just curious about Launchpad's code. [10:37] wgrant: it did [10:37] Thanks a lot, everyone. [10:37] gnomefreak: Great. [10:38] wgrant: thanks [10:38] np [10:39] gnomefreak: Bug #173019 [10:39] Launchpad bug 173019 in launchpad ""Renewal period" is marked as "(Optional)" when it isn't" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173019 [10:39] (thankyou Hobbsee) [10:39] ah not just me [10:39] Hobbsee: opened that bug? [10:40] She did. [10:40] she seems to open bugs just beofre i see the issue [10:40] This was 80000 bugs ago. [10:40] Hm, that's a few bugs. [10:40] maybe she should stand in door way to this channel and tell people problems when she finds them ;) save us alot of worrk [10:40] Heh. [10:42] * wgrant shakes a fist at mpt. You broke my automated process for looking at each Launchpad bug by making the milestone easy to see. [11:00] Gooooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders! [11:06] wgrant, what automated process? [11:07] mpt: The one where I automatically expand the task (sorry) to see if it's going to be fixed in the next 12 months. [11:07] aha [11:07] I didn't break that, the milestone's still there [11:07] I just made it unnecessary ;-) [11:07] Some pleasant retraining will be required. [11:07] This is true. [11:09] where did the box with the package versions on the bug page go? I was quite handy while doing sponsoring for checking the last version and component [11:09] geser: To mpt's context independent land [11:09] One decision I see the rationale for, but cannot agree with. [11:10] geser, hover over the package name [11:10] mpt: Where is this documented? [11:11] And woah that date is ugly. [11:11] And there are no links :( [11:11] mpt: thanks for the hint. It contains all the info I need [11:11] wgrant, do you have any suggestions for where we could document its new position that would be easier to find than its new position? [11:12] mpt: It could be inside the task. [11:12] wgrant: LP just want to be precise about the upload date :) [11:12] Or somewhere less completely undiscoverable. [11:12] It should be in the tooltip as well. [11:12] But it should be mentioned in the non-existent page help. [11:13] As I don't want to have to hover over every element on the page or grep through the source to work out what has a .title. [11:14] wgrant, eventually we want to get rid of the expandable section, so that wouldn't be a long-term design [11:14] mpt: Where do all of the widgets go!? [11:14] a long-term solution, rather [11:15] wgrant, into the table when you click on a cell. [11:15] e.g. click "New" and it turns into an option menu. [11:15] Click the package name and it turns into a text field. [11:15] etc. [11:15] mpt: Oh, I thought that that must have been dismissed as an option, as it's rather obvious. [11:16] I was thinking that the package name could act somewhat like an [11:16] It already does, in the sense that usually has title=, and the package name has title= giving its details [11:16] ? cursor, dotted underline, which everyone knows to mean it has a tooltippy thing. [11:16] In what sense do you mean it? [11:16] ah [11:19] I spent all too much time cleaning a webapp UI up today. So I might be annoyed and wrong. [11:30] gnomefreak: no, i opened the bug ages ago when creating a team, after the auto-expiry stuff. [11:30] that's months old [11:31] ah [11:31] * gnomefreak very behind ;) [11:42] dear launchpad, if you can't cope with Big Numbers, why do you let me enter them in your fields? [11:43] why not restrict me to numbers the size that you can actually handle. no love, me. [11:44] Hobbsee: What's this? [11:44] wgrant: manually reprio'ing a build. [11:44] wgrant: LP will let you put in a Very Big Number, then will oops, presumably because the number is too big. [11:45] Hobbsee: Nice. How big were you making it? [11:45] oh, i held down '9' for a couple of seconds, so pretty long. [11:45] Ah. [11:45] surely, if you've only got a limited number of possible inputs, you can limit the number of digits that can be entered, so your software *won't* fall over. [11:45] I think you need a 'build this now really kthxbye' button. [11:46] Or at least fail gracefully. [11:46] wgrant: buildd.py tends to do that, yes. [11:46] i was just already there, and only wanted to hit one arch. [12:21] Hobbsee, please report that, (I assume) I don't have permission so I can't give an example URL [12:22] (I mean I don't have permission to reprioritize a build, not that I don't have permission to report a bug) [12:23] mpt: i've already reported it for the length of time for members of a team to be invited to renew, and afaik, that hasn't been fixed yet. [12:23] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/logwatch/7.3.6.cvs20080702-1ubuntu1/+build/662729/+rescore is a sample url [12:23] well, is the one i used before [12:23] Hobbsee, that's a separate bug that'll need a separate fix [12:23] ok [12:24] Hobbsee, do you have the oops code handy? (or generate a new one?) [12:24] you'll have to find something that hasn't built yet, and look up the build, and add +rescore to it for another one. [12:24] i do not. [12:25] mpt: (Error ID: OOPS-933EA36) [12:25] from https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/softgun/0.16-2.1/+build/666832/+rescore [12:25] thankyew [12:25] np. [12:26] Hobbsee, do you happen to know what the maximum value is? [12:27] Ursinha, welcome! [12:27] mpt, hi! :) [12:27] thanks :) [12:28] Everybody, Ursinha is our new QA person [12:28] * Ursinha waves [12:29] hi Ursinha! I hope you'll like my bugs :D [12:29] hahahahaha :) [12:30] andrea-bs, sure i will :) [12:30] andrea-bs is one of our most prolific bug reporters [12:31] Ursinha: mpt is too generous ;) [12:31] :) [12:33] * wgrant apologises to Ursinha in advance. [12:33] hahaha why so? [12:33] I file too many bugs. [12:34] mpt: 2147483647 is the highest number you can put in. [12:34] you should be proud of it ;) [12:34] without LP oopsing. [12:34] heya Ursinha [12:34] Oh no! Implementation details! Run! [12:35] Hobbsee, reported bug 250490 [12:35] Launchpad bug 250490 in soyuz "Entering large rescore value causes an oops" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/250490 [12:35] Hobbsee, hi :) [12:36] * Hobbsee is another troublesome filer. [12:36] so you are the bug gang :P [12:36] yeah... [12:36] and we're the "whine when LP goes down, or otherwise breaks" gang. [12:37] :) [12:37] Hobbsee: Whining that one of the production appservers is borked doesn't help on a weekend, unfortunately. [12:37] wgrant: don't you have numbers of doom to call? [12:37] actually, i couldn't reproduce the errors. [12:37] which is why i didn't call. [12:37] Hobbsee: Of course not. [12:37] wgrant: just abolish weekends for LP admins and LP devs :) [12:38] oh, i see, that's what the subscriber panel is supposed to look like. [12:38] It was only production, so most would have missed it. [12:38] And what's this? A LOSA in a sane timezone! Yay! [12:38] even when switching to production [12:38] Hobbsee, as opposed to...? [12:38] mpt: the bloody mess it is in anything ubuntu-related. [12:38] :) [12:39] aha [12:39] At least the actions are up the top now. [12:39] That is a definite improvement. [12:39] yeah, but what shocks me more is you can actually easily see what the next box is underneath it [12:39] you dont' have to do the scrolling dance first. [12:39] to the point where the boxes underneath are vaguely useful [12:39] It is much more pleasant navigating LP bugs. [12:40] although, why we have a search on the lower right, and another one at the bottom, i'm not so sure. [12:41] New Launchpod episode online at: http://news.launchpad.net/podcast/launchpod-episode-8-developer-interview-with-curtis-hovey-and-chat-about-landscape [12:41] Huh? Landscape in Launchpod? [12:42] * Hobbsee wonders offhand, if planet ubuntu is supposed to be an advertising ground. [12:42] Hobbsee, does that mean you won't scream if I get rid of the search from the lower right? [12:42] mpt: i'd say so - i've never used it. [12:42] I find the LP posts on Planet Ubuntu to be somewhat appropriate. It is a big part of Ubuntu. [12:43] I'm fairly sure I've seen posts about bugzilla.gnome.org on Planet Gnome [12:59] where is the page to turn off edge.launchpad.net? i thought it would be at launchpad.net but its not there [13:00] nevermind it wasnt there under edge but is without the edge [13:03] is there a reason why the edit icon/link for the bug title is after the title while every other icon is before the text? === mrevell is now known as mrevell-lunch [13:19] geser, the edit icons for bug supervisors and translation groups are also after the text [13:19] The one for bug privacy is before the text, but that'll change soon [13:20] Putting the one for the bug title before the text would indent the title oddly [13:20] but putting it after makes the title harder to copy [13:20] soren, not sure what to do there :-) [13:20] arg, *so* I'm not sure what to do there [13:21] (that's the second time I've done that in the past week) [13:27] it looks a little bit inconsistent right now, but if some other links will change soon, perhaps it doesn't look inconsistent afterwards anymore [13:34] mpt: You're not the only one... :/ [13:34] :) [13:35] soren, at least you don't have a kernel driver named after you [13:35] Hahah! [13:35] No, I do not. [13:35] Yet. [13:35] :) === mrevell-lunch is now known as mrevell [13:56] does anyone know why my ppa package builds on most architectures, but not amd64? the build deps are correct as far as i can tell [13:57] "dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: couldn't find library libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 needed by debian/sugar-develop-activity/usr/share/sugar/activities/Develop.activity/lib/libgtksourceview-2.0.so (its RPATH is '')." [13:58] i have the required dependancies and this builds fine on i386 [14:04] bigjools, ^ [14:19] bigjools, can you help jmunro? [14:20] I'll have a look [14:20] jmunro: what is your PPA name please [14:21] chapter78 === EdwinGrub is now known as EdwinGrubbs [14:22] im sure its just me making a novice error, but help is appreciated [14:27] jmunro: which arches is it building on? [14:28] i386, lpia [14:29] er, which package? [14:30] Hobbsee: I'd guess the package is sugar-develop-activity [14:30] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16211531/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-amd64.sugar-develop-activity_33-0ubuntu1~ppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [14:31] oh, the one that's deleted, and the other two that are superceeded? [14:31] yeah, no wonder i didn't find that one [14:32] jmunro: didn't you fix it, with ~ppa3? [14:33] nope i made human errors on all of them lol [14:33] excluding the one i deleted, that failed to build [14:33] no it didn't [14:33] the one you deleted *did* build. [14:33] * sugar-develop-activity_33-0ubuntu1~ppa3.diff.gz (1.2 KiB) [14:33] * sugar-develop-activity_33-0ubuntu1~ppa3.dsc (693 bytes) [14:33] only on i386 [14:33] * sugar-develop-activity_33-0ubuntu1~ppa3_all.deb (210.8 KiB) [14:33] * sugar-develop-activity_33.orig.tar.gz (209.7 KiB) [14:33] ppa3 has human error [14:33] bigjools: yes, that's deliberate. [14:34] but that will work on all arches [14:34]