[02:42] <Dedi> up and running
[03:18] <leviwine> hi @ all
[03:18] <leviwine> is anybody using photoshop cs3 on ubuntu?
[03:21] <jbroome> support in #ubuntu
[03:27] <Dedi> hardy-neon packages should work with intrepid too, not?
[03:28] <Hobbsee> i wouldn't bet on it
[05:03] <gluer> hi, alpha 3 out thursday?
[05:06] <gluer> can the intel wireless iwl3954 firmware be included, i think it was missing in alpha 2
[05:06] <RAOF> I don't think it was?
[05:07] <RAOF> Or, at least, my iwl3945 hasn't stopped working at any point in the Intrepid cycle.
[05:07] <gluer> i did a fresh install with alpha 2 cd
[05:11] <gluer> im pretty sure it was missing from alpha 2 coz i installed it about 5 times
[05:12] <gluer> then had to download and copy it into firmware
[05:19] <Hobbsee> mine's been working fine too
[05:59] <LSD|Ninja> Desktop CDs are due to drop in Alpha 3, right?
[05:59]  * LSD|Ninja can't wait
[06:01] <gluer> lsdninja : what do u mean?
[06:03] <gluer> do u mean the alpha 3 cd?
[06:18] <scyrma> I've been using Debian/sid for many years at home.. now on Ubuntu at work .. I miss the thrill and occasional brokeness of Sid .. is Intrepid comparable, or will my box explode? :)
[06:19] <RAOF> Pretty comparable.
[06:20] <LSD|Ninja> Lots of stuff is broken in Intrepid right now, you'll cream your pants by the sound of it
[06:20] <RAOF> We've past the hugely-less-stable-than-Sid mass-import stage.  Now it should be just the regular ordinary development version brokenness, pretty much.
[06:20] <scyrma> hmm.. sounds like fun
[06:21] <LSD|Ninja> Speaking of Sid, I realise that acronym means "Still in Development" but was that chosend because Sid too is a character from Toy Story?
[06:22] <scyrma> I think it's both .. I think the acronym is a "backronym" too
[06:23] <RAOF> "Sid will break your toys".
[06:23] <RAOF> Is the source, I believe.
[06:24] <LSD|Ninja> It makes sense, I'm just wondering if that's the reason it was chosen
[06:31] <RAOF> I think it was, yes.
[06:46] <RAOF> Goddamnit, nvidia!  Fix the frikkin full-screen black flashes when changing clockspeed already.
[06:46] <hyperair_> O_o
[06:46] <hyperair_> what?
[06:47] <hyperair_> weren't you using nouveau?
[06:47] <RAOF> Today I'm testing nvidia-glx-177.
[06:47] <hyperair_> my card doesn't give black flashes when changing clock speed
[06:47] <hyperair_> i see
[06:47] <RAOF> While running compiz?
[06:47] <hyperair_> yes
[06:47] <hyperair_> i use nvclock
[06:48] <hyperair_> and coolbits or wahtever it was for changing the clock speed isn't existent on my card
[06:48] <hyperair_> either that or my driver
[06:48] <hyperair_> so nvclock uses some other backend to do it
[06:48] <RAOF> Well, the nvidia drivers will automatically downclock to save power.
[06:48] <hyperair_> seriously?
[06:48] <RAOF> At least on my laptop carde.
[06:48] <RAOF> Yes.
[06:48] <hyperair_> i never knew that
[06:48] <hyperair_> like cpu freq scaling huh
[06:48] <RAOF> I can tell, because everytime they do, the whole screen flashes black!
[06:49] <hyperair_> lol isn't there a way to disable it
[06:49] <RAOF> There might be.  On the other hand, I'm a bit of a fan of not burning more battery than strictly necessary.
[06:50] <LSD|Ninja> I wonder if they're waiting for Alpha 3 before pushing out the new nvidia 96.43 package...
[06:50] <hyperair_> simple solution to that: tune it to the lowest clock speed and force it to stay
[06:50] <RAOF> Well, that option isn't exposed in any of the tools I have.
[06:50] <hyperair_> LSD|Ninja: doesn't nvidia-glx-96 work?
[06:51] <RAOF> He's almost certainly talking about a version that works with the Xserver 1.5 ABI.
[06:51] <hyperair_> oh
[06:52] <LSD|Ninja> hyperair_: last I checked, it was 96.43.05. Latest is 96.43.07. nVidia don't explicitly mention xorg 1.5 (they may be waiting for it to ge releases) but I still want to try iy
[06:52] <hyperair_> okay... so that means that i'm not going to get any nvidia support if i switch to intrepid now
[06:52] <hyperair_> =(
[06:53] <hyperair_> then i'll just sit around in arch and wait for it to work
[07:30] <murlidhar> i have install intrepid as a base installation. and have put lxde as the default window manager. i am trying to change the wallpapers but i am not able to since i can't remember  where the settings are .
[08:14] <murlidhar> i accidently activated a radio button  in the gui and the problem started
[08:14] <murlidhar> why is the channel so quiet?
[08:15] <murlidhar> or is it me lagging?
[08:15] <murlidhar> anyone ?
[08:24] <root0> hi. anyone know how to enable nvidia propietary driver? i know someone did it...
[08:26] <hyperair__> install nvidia-glx-xxx
[08:26] <RAOF> "sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx-177 && sudo nvidia-xconfig" (and then probably remove the rgb.txt line from your xorg.conf.
[08:26] <hyperair__> what rgb.txt line?
[08:27] <RAOF> Unless you've got a geforce 5, in which case you replace 177 with 173.  Or have a geforce 4, in which case you replace 177 with 96.  Or have a geforce 2 or below, in which case your computer combusts.
[08:28] <RAOF> hyperair__: Apparently nvidia-xconfig will write a line that's no longer accepted in Xserver 1.5; I don't think I hit it because I actually had an xorg.conf file.
[08:29] <hyperair__> i see
[08:29] <hyperair__> i never had a rgb.txt line before
[08:29] <root0> i have a geforce 6200 card. is this one still suported?
[08:29] <RAOF> Yes.
[08:30] <RAOF> It's a geforce 6.  That's still supported by the 177 driver.
[08:30] <hyperair__> T_T geforce4 for me
[08:30] <root0> thanks. i'l install it now.
[08:32] <RAOF> hyperair__: Nvidia hate you :)
[08:33] <hyperair__> >=( hate you too nvidia
[08:34] <root0> one more thing that i hit today. after a clean install the splash screen seems to be broken. i'm not sure how to isolate and find were is the problem.
[08:34] <RAOF> The bootsplash?  Yeah, that's borken.
[08:34] <RAOF> It's usplash (or possibly vm86, or uvesafb)
[08:36] <root0> i'm not using it, but i just wanted to be sure that it is a known problem.
[08:49] <root0> it's not working. nvidia-glx-177 is installed but nvidia-xconfig is not. if i try to install nvidia-xconfig synaptic is trying to remove nvidia-glx-177. is kinda odd... and on gnome-app-install it says this: "NVidia binary X.Org driver ('new' driver) cannot be installed on your computer type (i386)."
[12:53] <ace_> Hi all
[12:53] <ace_> anyone here using xgl?
[12:54] <hyperair__> why would you want to use xgl?
[12:54] <ace_> i've always used xgl and i think its better than just xorg
[13:01] <Turski> why don't you use aiglx?
[13:01] <hyperair__> xgl is the worst thing you could do to get 3d working
[13:01] <hyperair__> seriously
[13:01] <hyperair__> it's slow, adds an extra layer
[13:01] <hyperair__> bla
[13:02] <ace_>  not 3d, just compiz-fusion
[13:02] <ace_> brb
[13:03] <s0u][ight> hello if you have 2 .deb files (new kernel) and one is an image and the other an header wich do you need to install first?
[13:05] <gnomefreak> s0u][ight: doesnt matter much IIRC but you are safe with image
[13:05] <gnomefreak> than headers
[13:05] <hyperair__> ace_: sorry, i meant compiz fusion too. aiglx > xgl
[13:05] <gnomefreak> hint you dont need headers for normal useage
[13:47] <murlidhar> hi all
[13:48] <murlidhar> i have installed intrepid by doing custom installation.
[13:48] <murlidhar> now i want to install pulse audio without having alsa drivers
[13:48] <murlidhar> is it possible ?
[13:49] <murlidhar> if so what are the packages that are needed ?
[13:49] <murlidhar> !pulseaudio
[13:52] <murlidhar>  is alsa required ?
[13:53] <murlidhar> ikonia:  are u busy ?
[14:03] <linkinxp> hello in my UPdate-Manager i have a  package called Ubuntu-Desktop and i can't select it ! whats wrong??
[15:40] <hyperair__> besides nfs, is there any way to copy files over from one computer to another while preserving uid, gid and permissions?
[16:38] <sparr> would a package dependency mistake in hardy be fixed in hardy or wait for intrepid?
[16:40] <Pici> Depends on how serious it is
[16:43] <sparr> firefox version 3.0 depends on firefox-3.0 when it should depend on firefox-3.0 version 3.0
[16:47] <sparr> ahh, didnt realize #ubuntu-bugs existed
[16:47] <sparr> perhaps a better venue for my question
[17:52] <DanaG> One thing that really bugs me: "Lock Applet" does not work as one would expect.
[17:53] <DanaG> If you change screen resolutions... chances are, your panel layout will be trampled upon.
[17:55] <LSD|Ninja> That's assuming you can change resolutions without hand editing xorg.conf >_<
[17:59] <DanaG> My laptop can.
[18:00] <DanaG> I do have to edit xorg.conf to change touchpad settings, though.
[18:03] <LSD|Ninja> I can get it to change resolutions without messing with xorg.conf after a fashion but there are times when I feel editing xorg.conf would be faster. It's been 10 years, why is this still so goddamn difficult?
[18:05] <DanaG> alt-f2.  xrandr -s 1440x900 -- that's how I do it.  I only use one monitor, though.
[18:36] <DanaG> !find qatomicpointer.h
[18:37] <DanaG> qt4-doc-html?  That's odd.
[18:37] <DanaG> !find qatomicpointer