[00:01] <__mikem> actually after looking at the screenshot for SharpChocolate, its starting to grow on me
[00:03] <__mikem> well how am I supposed to get this theme installed without him?
[00:03] <xanax`> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kith_Intrepid
[00:04] <xanax`> interesting top of window decoration..
[00:04] <__mikem> that ones actually not bad
[00:04]  * xanax` agrees
[00:07]  * __mikem wishes compiz worked in vmware
[00:35]  * xanax` uses virtualbox, not vmware.
[00:37] <__mikem> vmware fusion actually performs much better than virtualbox
[00:38] <xanax`> you have a mac ?
[00:39] <__mikem> yes
[00:41] <xanax`> enabling full 3D support to OS emulators is going to be a long task
[00:41] <__mikem> I have a feeling its doable with current technology
[00:46]  * xanax` is longing to test gdm-face-browser once it gets released
[00:46] <__mikem> zerwas: why did you leave me hanging? :(
[00:47] <zerwas> __mikem, sorry
[00:47] <__mikem> its alright
[00:47] <zerwas> __mikem, did you got it working? :)
[00:48] <__mikem> I only got as far as adding those two lines to the source
[00:48] <__mikem> you never told me how to get the theme
[00:50] <zerwas> nice! almost done now. open system -> administration -> synaptic now.
[00:50] <__mikem> okay
[00:50] <zerwas> now the upper left button "reload" (or something like that)
[00:51] <__mikem> reload was correct sir
[00:51] <__mikem> okay, now what
[00:51] <darkmatter> xanax`: the new gdm should go a long way to improving the efficiency of user switching among others. I really like the direction the devs are moving in
[00:53] <zerwas> __mikem, good. now (according to this page https://launchpad.net/~kwwii/+archive) press "Search", enter "human" and click on "human-theme" to install it. do these steps for "gtk2-engines-murrine" and "ubuntu-artwork" too. Click on "Apply" now. You are done.
[00:53] <xanax`> the new gdm ? you mean.. gdm 2 or .. ?
[00:54] <darkmatter> the current recode. it was originally scheduled for 2.22 but was unfinished, and was thus deferred
[00:55]  * xanax` is searching for new features of the latest version of gdm
[00:55] <darkmatter> xanax`: it's the version that foresight and fedora use.. I'll grab a link
[00:57] <darkmatter> xanax`: here ya go, complete with screenies http://www.ogmaciel.com/?p=478
[00:57] <__mikem> zerwas: well I notice that there is some difference, but I still think you could do more
[00:57] <xanax`> cool
[00:57] <zerwas> __mikem, me?
[00:58] <zerwas> __mikem, do you have it activated?
[00:58] <__mikem> yes, I am using the newhuman theme right now
[00:59] <zerwas> __mikem, me needed to use it for a couple of days to begin to like it ...
[01:00] <__mikem> zerwas: it still doesn't live up to the standards of OSX and vista
[01:00] <__mikem> its good but just not good enough in my oppinion
[01:00] <zerwas> __mikem, agree.
[01:00] <zerwas> __mikem, help cimi, he could really need a helping hand :>
[01:01] <__mikem> zerwas: I did make some changes to the gelitan theme
[01:01] <__mikem> but graphic design is not my strong suit
[01:01] <xanax`> i think i'll have to test this version of gdm first before having a clear opinion.. these screenshots and comments aren't enough for a teaser.. imo
[01:02] <zerwas> __mikem, i don't think working on gtk theme engines has soo much to do with graphic design. especially when it is known what it could/should look like
[01:02] <__mikem> it'd be an interesting challange
[01:04] <xanax`> bbl
[01:05] <darkmatter> xanax`: if you want to test it you could always run a vm of sulfur (fedora 9) or install it on an extra partition. fedora already uses that version
[03:49] <pwnguin> where does kwii live?
[03:52] <zerwas> do you want to hug him?
[03:52] <pwnguin> well
[03:53] <zerwas> kwii? http://www.kwiisblog.com/d/
[03:53] <zerwas> ;-)
[03:53] <zerwas> oops looks like he is also german
[08:51] <xanax`> hello
[15:41] <psyke83> hi
[21:24] <J-_> Someone might know the answer to my question(s). In gnome-appearance-settings, I go into customize a theme, but GTK themes have a question mark over the theme picture(or preview) and some themes change, and some don't. How can I fix this?
[22:21] <zerwas> J-_, install the engine?
[22:48] <kwwii> zerwas: good answer :-)
[22:48] <kwwii> zerwas: btw, I am not german ;-)
[22:48] <zerwas> kwwii, :) oh so i was on the wrong blog
[22:48] <pwnguin> kwwii: nuts
[22:49] <pwnguin> i was hoping i could send someone over to the one dudes house and help him set up an LP project for his theme
[22:49] <kwwii> I do speak german though
[22:50] <kwwii> pwnguin: I am sure that I can help set up an LP project
[22:50] <pwnguin> kwwii: the kim guy seems anxious about it
[22:50] <zerwas> kwwii, oh okay, so you moved to germany?
[22:51] <kwwii> yes, almost 13 years ago
[22:51] <pwnguin> i suggested on the ML that he set one up so that people like mike can share changes but he seemed to prefer his blog to host it
[22:51] <kwwii> I guess that makes me germarican
[22:52] <kwwii> pwnguin: I just caught up on emails today, I'll send Kim an email offering help
[22:52] <pwnguin> k
[22:53] <kwwii> I spent most of the day working on a good idea for a generic web browser icon
[22:53] <pwnguin> uh oh
[22:53] <pwnguin> why?
[22:54] <kwwii> it is for our mobile solutions group
[22:54] <pwnguin> so not firefox
[22:55] <kwwii> can't really say more than that, contracts and all
[22:55] <kwwii> but no worries, ubuntu will still have firefox
[22:55] <kwwii> no iceweasel for us (thank god)
[22:56] <pwnguin> the other day i came across them threatening branding over whos libnss we linked to
[22:57] <pwnguin> we now link firefox to their own libnss and friends
[22:57] <pwnguin> when people say they're a memory hog you can now agree via that point ;)
[22:59] <kwwii> firefox(mozilla) seems to have very strict rules because of contracts that they have signed
[22:59] <kwwii> makes things really nasty
[23:00] <kwwii> apparently if you change *anything* in firefox without having them review it you are not allowed to call it firefox
[23:00] <pwnguin> that part i know about
[23:00] <pwnguin> but not the part where calling your changes firefox puts THEM in violation of contracts
[23:00] <pwnguin> i dont even know how that works
[23:01] <kwwii> and they apparently have contracts with companies which prevent them from even allowing small/intelligent changes in some cases
[23:01] <pwnguin> iceweasel begins to sound appealing
[23:01] <kwwii> I guess it is more the worry of law suits than the actual thing, but when you get as big as them that kind of stuff comes up
[23:01] <kwwii> the idea of iceweasel is not bad but the name is simply stupid
[23:02] <kwwii> it is like a 10 year old child thought of it
[23:02] <pwnguin> worse than "hardy heron"?
[23:02] <kwwii> lol
[23:02] <kwwii> I cannot comment on that or it will put my job at risk
[23:02] <kwwii> :p
[23:02] <pwnguin> hhaha
[23:02] <zerwas> hey it will get even better with intrepid ibex
[23:02] <pwnguin> you could just refer to it as 8.04 in all communications
[23:04] <kwwii> but then nobody would know what I am talking about :p
[23:04] <kwwii> maybe I should though
[23:04] <kwwii> I am not a big fan of the names
[23:05] <kwwii> although it does offer a good incentive for art direction
[23:05] <pwnguin> its supposed to be a development code name anyways
[23:05] <kwwii> I am somewhat worried about always having to use an animal pic
[23:05] <pwnguin> which we've done once
[23:05] <pwnguin> in the entire history of code names
[23:06] <kwwii> sure, but if we do it twice it is almost like saying we are always going to do it
[23:07] <pwnguin> of course, its also the most wildly successfull background we have ;)
[23:07] <kwwii> and the ibex pics all remind me of heavy metal / satanism
[23:07] <kwwii> :p
[23:07] <pwnguin> excellent
[23:07] <kwwii> in the end we will probably use something like that again
[23:07] <pwnguin> more proof we dont need a satanic edition
[23:07] <zerwas> ha ha... but there is already a satanic ubutu edition
[23:07] <kwwii> but I would really hesitate to do it three time
[23:08] <pwnguin> anything that isnt christian is satanic, right? ;)
[23:08] <kwwii> lol, right
[23:08] <pwnguin> well, you could always use that concern as motivation this cycle or next to make something else
[23:11] <kwwii> my biggest problem this cycle is that I go on vacation on Aug2-23 and I have all kinds of stuff to work on first
[23:11] <kwwii> I've been working on a time zone map for the installer which is not based on funky arrows pointing to cities
[23:12] <kwwii> but the file is so big that my 10" thinkpad core duo 1.8Ghz with 1GB of RAM simply makes it impossible to work on
[23:13] <kwwii> I plug into my 23" monitor so I an at least see parts of it closer but I simply need a faster machine
[23:13] <kwwii> *click* (wait a minute), *click* (wait a minute), repeat
[23:14] <psyke83> kwwii, using gimp? I feel dirty to say this, but Photoshop would work a lot better with large images due to the caching
[23:14] <psyke83> AFAIK, the CS2 tryout should work with WINE, you may want to try it
[23:15] <kwwii> psyke83: nope, with inkscape
[23:15] <psyke83> ah, k
[23:15] <kwwii> psyke83: yeah, from what I have heard CS2 works in wine...been a while since I used adobe stuff though
[23:15] <kwwii> it would probably handle the file better though
[23:16] <kwwii> it refreshes the screen in a much more efficient method than inkscape (I had a long discussion about that)
[23:16] <kwwii> it is nice to work at a company with two of the inkscape maintainers :-)
[23:17] <psyke83> ;)
[23:17] <kwwii> I've been running Ted's private branch and it has a couple of nifty extras
[23:17] <kwwii> rgba support for all the dialogue windows
[23:17] <kwwii> and such
[23:18] <psyke83> kwwii, are you keeping rgba enabled in the themes for release, by the way?
[23:21] <kwwii> psyke83: no, i am going to turn it off again
[23:21] <kwwii> although until now we have not had any complaints
[23:21] <kwwii> at least none that I am aware of
[23:21] <kwwii> I am still somewhat worried about being responsible for the packaging
[23:21] <kwwii> :D
[23:23] <kwwii> oh well, time for sleep
[23:23] <kwwii> night all
[23:25] <zerwas> ye, good night
[23:27] <psyke83> nite