[00:00] i saw a cairo + fontconfig change reverting part of my patches from last year [00:01] i probably didnt do that revert [00:01] my last debdiff for cairo has been ignored by seb for weeks then someone else did it.. and broke it [00:01] ask the merger who did it ;) [00:01] hmm [00:01] i don't have time, and i'm also sick of this [00:03] i get hit hard by the "everyone can do everything" as well [00:04] for instance they reintroduced libflashssupport in flashplugin-nonfree [00:04] ;) [00:04] as a depends [00:08] did you post a merge bug? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cairo/ [00:09] that probably would hav eprevented it. cjwatson did the merge ... not sure why, but apparently it failed to build against latest fontconfig [00:09] if he touches that package there is a good reason almost certainly as he usually has no time at all [00:10] and isnt really into cairo ;) [00:13] fontconfig was quite a huge merge i guess [00:14] things probably sank there [00:48] asac: you asked if i had done the bugs yet and no i havent but will this week. i had problems to handle witha good friend this weekend [00:48] Volans: have they added out meeting to fridge yet? [00:49] gnomefreak: yeah! under the google calendar they use now and upon asac request also in the online fridge calendar [00:49] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1595 [00:49] perhaps we can add the link to the agenda... that is still empty [00:50] i wilol do that when updates are done [00:50] I have added the date and time to this channel's topic and to the wiki pages (/Meetings and /Header) [00:50] Volans: thanks [00:51] just one meeting? [00:51] you spoke about the wiki or the fridge? [00:52] wiki [00:52] we cant add agenda to fridge [00:52] ok, i'm off. head hurts for some reason... See you tomorrow. [00:52] nothing to do on wiki (from what i can tell [00:52] gnomefreak: ok fine [00:52] night Jazzva feel better [00:52] Jazzva: cu [00:52] thanks :). night all. [00:53] gnomefreak: like this one http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1550 [00:53] bye Jazzva [00:53] we need agenda items for meeting or we can skip this one [00:53] gnomefreak: we are on fridge [00:53] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1595 [00:53] Volans: fridge editors have to do that [00:53] sure :) and we can also put on the wiki the next meetings if you want [00:53] asac: im looking at it atm [00:53] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/2008/08/03 [00:54] gnomefreak: i pinged cody [00:54] i was looking into joining fridge editors but never got anything good [00:54] asac: i pinged cody all week [00:54] he said they switched to google calendar which wasnt integrated in website yet [00:54] he kept putting it off for updates to fridge [00:54] i asked him to add us to the old calendar too now ;) [00:54] hmm [00:54] asac: we can only ask cody to add the link to the agenda, like this one http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1550 ;) [00:54] why did they change to use google calendar? [00:54] and put something in the agenda [00:55] Volans: i have 1 item on agenda [00:55] gnomefreak: he didnt suggest to do that until i explicitly damanded it ;) [00:55] thats the only one there [00:55] gnomefreak: not sure why google. most likely its more comfortable [00:55] gnomefreak: http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=amNzaXFybXAyaHIxZ25qcDg5bWY2NmR2cDQgajVxODVtbWk2dWp2anRpaTVzMW4zbGk1aW9AZw&ctz=Etc/GMT [00:55] asac: yeah he hasnt changed. he was run off the ops for main channels and other things for being well him [00:56] but its currently not linked from website at all ;) [00:56] aha [00:56] interesting [00:56] well since your good at it demand him to add it ;) [00:56] he is somewhat engaged in xubuntu quite a bit [00:56] asac: that is recent [00:56] gnomefreak: the wiki link? [00:56] yeah. but not today [00:56] like 2 months ago [00:57] i am bailing out. eyes keep closing [00:57] asac: yeah the agenda wiki link [00:57] tiredness finally beats me ;) [00:57] asac: thats fine have a good night [00:57] thanks [00:57] 'night all [00:57] im here cleaning up before 8 [00:57] 8 EDT? [00:58] * asac off [00:58] yeah [01:01] can you use ical with google calendar? [01:03] awway is going up but ill be here some of the time [01:03] never tried [01:13] now I go... bye bye [01:41] anyone still up? [01:46] * Kamping_Kaiser fwiw [01:49] cant open .so file :( [01:57] :( === asac_ is now known as asac [09:24] hmm [09:42] darn. that happens if you dont get NEW mails anymore. xul and ffox was stuck in binary new because of xulrunner-dev package [09:52] gnomefreak: hurry ;) [09:52] * gnomefreak is the only person that tries to view a binary file :( [09:52] we have 900 bugs open against ffox 3 :( [09:52] asac: morning [09:52] we must not reach 1k ;) [09:52] thats not bad [09:52] that would mean defeat :-D [09:52] :) [09:52] and surrender :( [09:52] i have a few things to work on today bugs is one of them [09:53] ill push ruby aside [09:53] 900 bugs in total [09:53] ? [09:55] thats odd [09:55] asac: why would someone need to renew memebership to a team that membership doesnt expire? [09:55] ok wtf [09:56] mozillateam (the whole team) is about to expire too :( [09:56] ok first thing after email is that [09:57] gnomefreak: he? [09:57] oh im gonna hurt someone [09:57] where is mozillateam expiring? [09:57] On 2008-07-27, six days from now, the membership [09:57] of Mozilla Team (mozillateam) (which you are [09:57] the owner of) in the Ubuntu-MozillaSquad (ubuntu-mozillasquad) Launchpad team [09:57] is due to expire. [09:57] gnomefreak: ah [09:58] well ... maybe we set that membership auto expires in that team? [09:58] gnomefreak: isnt mozillateam the owner of squad? [09:58] talking to LP about it. i atelast asked if awake [09:58] then i think we dont need to bother ;) [09:58] a month? [09:58] Membership renewed until 2008-08-26. [09:58] yeah .... strange [09:58] hmm [09:59] gnomefreak: err. all expire in a month [09:59] thats bad ;) [09:59] gnomefreak: can you fix that squad doesnt have that a tight expiry window? [09:59] yeah i need to speak to Lp since that is the first time [09:59] im working on it [10:00] ok [10:00] but in the end its an open team, so people can always renew on their own [10:00] still wierd [10:00] do you have link to squad? [10:01] we lose the team if it expires [10:01] than jump through hoops to get it back [10:03] asac: can i use reply when getting a upstream mozilla bug? [10:03] or do i need to open the page and comment [10:06] gnomefreak: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/TriagersHandbook [10:06] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/NormalizedBugFormat [10:06] gnomefreak: no mozilla bugs can only be edited in webpage [10:06] gnomefreak: i dont think we loose the team as mozillateam itself is owner [10:07] just let it go [10:07] ;) [10:07] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozillasquad [10:07] asac: we wont now that i already renewed [10:08] k [10:08] gnomefreak: and what about all the members? [10:09] asac: i have to talk to lp admin to make sure of anything atm [10:10] got someone that is trying to push bzr brznch but he never commited im sure he wissed all steps inbetweem too [10:10] gnomefreak: who? [10:11] ok why all those links? [10:11] lut4rp [10:11] gnomefreak: those links are the revised bug procedure for New, incomplete and confirmed states [10:11] so if you process bugs maybe try to apply that and tell me if there are things missing [10:11] k [10:11] gnomefreak: the idea is to bring bugs in the "normalized form" so we can forward them [10:12] you didnt happen to work on the responses page ;) [10:14] asac: ok honestly there has to be a setting in about:preferences to make browser open images in another app [10:14] is there? [10:14] gnomefreak: hmm [10:14] gnomefreak: about:config you mean ;) [10:14] gnomefreak: well. i think you might be able to do that in the preferences -> applications dialog [10:14] yeah that [10:15] asac: i didnt see anything but i had looks 2 hours before i even saw this bug [10:15] gnomefreak: can you set the "meeting schedule thing" on roadmap to "DONE" ? [10:17] yeah ill clean that up [10:17] isnt "Document redirection procedure to mozillateam-community on mozillateam membership page" done too? [10:18] no setting in system > pref > prefered applications [10:18] huh? [10:19] gnomefreak: hmm [10:19] we used squad for the team not community [10:19] you can probably set it to firefox again. just curious ow that might have been emptied [10:19] yeah [10:19] i think community was just a "word" for it as we didnt have any final name yet [10:22] gnomefreak: EDT what timezone is that? [10:22] @time America/Boston [10:22] asac: Error: Unknown timezone: America/Boston - Full list: http://tinyurl.com/4vyvp8 [10:22] @time America/Chicago [10:22] asac: Current time in America/Chicago: July 21 2008, 04:22:54 - Next meeting: Asia and Oceania Ubuntu Membership Approval Board in 1 day [10:22] is that EDT? [10:23] could be i think chitown is an hour ahead of me [10:23] but not sure [10:23] @now chicago [10:23] gnomefreak: Current time in America/Chicago: July 21 2008, 04:23:55 - Next meeting: Asia and Oceania Ubuntu Membership Approval Board in 1 day [10:24] hour behind me [10:27] EDT is UTC - 4 [10:28] from what i found on the net [10:34] @now newyork [10:34] Jazzva: Error: Unknown timezone: newyork - Full list: http://tinyurl.com/4vyvp8 [10:34] @now new_york [10:34] Jazzva: Current time in America/New_York: July 21 2008, 05:34:17 - Next meeting: Asia and Oceania Ubuntu Membership Approval Board in 1 day [10:34] asac ^ [10:34] yeah probably thats it [10:34] that is eastern time, I think [10:35] in the end I dont understand why people ask me for appointments in UTC :/ [10:35] err, in EDT :-D [10:36] most likely americans think the world has agreed on EDT;) [10:36] people should learn the offset of their time zone :) [10:36] Jazzva: yeah ;) ... i guess they know, but assumed I'd know too [10:36] hehe :) [10:37] god i hate LP [10:37] how many teams do we have and what are thier links please :( [10:37] squad [10:37] extension team [10:37] Regarding extensions licensing... Sage-Too (which is developed from Sage by another team) is missing license information in the xpi file. I e-mailed the developer and he sent me in a mail that we can apply GPL as the license... Is that ok? [10:37] the mozillateam [10:37] extension team and bugs team [10:37] those 2 i need to look at [10:38] Jazzva: will he add that license to the .xpi? [10:38] gnomefreak, extensions is ~mozilla-extensions-dev [10:38] Jazzva: did he say which version ? [10:38] i just need the mozilla bugs link [10:38] suggest to him GPLv3 or later ;) [10:38] asac, I was thinking of asking him that... to just place it in COPYING [10:38] that was done correctly [10:39] asac: in about:config is there a setting for the way browser opens images? [10:39] Jazzva: well. tell him that it would work that way, but in the end he should publish a licensed .xpi ... or at least a source ball [10:39] asac, here is the quote "you are welcome to apply the GPL as per http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl.txt " [10:39] to avoid confusion [10:39] that points to gpl 3 ;) [10:40] ok. and (or any later version) ? [10:41] asac, that's mentioned in the license. "either version 3 of the License, or (at your option) any later version." [10:41] Jazzva: where? afaict its just in the section that describes the options you have for licensing with gpl 3 [10:42] Jazzva: he has at least to put one sentence somewhere: "licensed under GPL v3 or any later version" [10:42] Jazzva: is there a source tarball available out there? [10:42] or svn with a license? [10:42] no. that's the trouble. [10:42] it just has xpi [10:43] so... COPYING is used for the text of the license... and what is used for licensing info? [10:44] or, he can place that notice in COPYING, before the text of the license? [10:45] Jazzva: he could place that info on top of the file yes. [10:45] Good... thanks [10:46] Jazzva: he should just post the example header on top of that file: [10:46] Jazzva: http://paste.ubuntu.com/28947/ [10:47] Ok... [10:47] http://paste.ubuntu.com/28948/ [10:53] [reed]: when you awaken can you ping me i would like to know how long it takes before i can go up a level in mozilla bug tracker (mark dupes) is the main thing im thinking [10:54] asac: in about:config what would i search for to findout if there is a setting to open images in gnome viewer app i guess its not eye of gnome [10:57] gnomefreak, I'm not sure if it's in about:config, but can't you set that in Edit->Preferences->Programs? [10:57] Jazzva: no [10:58] just accesiblity [10:58] orka and such [10:58] gnomefreak, that's funny. I can select what program to use to open jpegs... [10:59] in system >preferences > perferd apps? [10:59] prefered apps [10:59] no... in Firefox->Edit menu-> ... [11:00] i didnt get chance for menu [11:00] gnomefreak: in the firefox application you can configure that in the preferences -> APPLICATIONS dialog ;) [11:00] yeah that is what i told him [11:01] heh... my system is localised... that's why I translated as "programs" :) [11:01] asac: anyway to set gnome viewer in our builds or does this have to be done upstream? [11:01] gnomefreak: there is no sense in doing that by default [11:01] ffox can display images on its own [11:01] asac: you said there was [11:01] asac: its not [11:01] hold on [11:02] if ffox couldnt display images we would have more bugs most likely [11:02] gnomefreak, did you set the expiration period for mozillasquad members to 1 month? Can we extend that to unlimited time :)? [11:02] damn i dont see the bug report for LP in email [11:02] Jazzva: its fixed [11:02] and yes [11:03] ah, sorry. Maybe it doesn't apply automatically to the old members... [11:03] bug 250228 [11:03] Launchpad bug 250228 in firefox "ubuntu is useless to me I DO NOT WANT IT!" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/250228 [11:04] thats not it [11:04] heh [11:04] bug 195105 [11:04] Launchpad bug 195105 in firefox-3.0 "Choosing from Firefox context menu to view a selected image should open the default GNOME image viewer" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195105 [11:04] asac: thats the bug [11:05] ok, i'll go through the memberships in mozillasquad and set them to don't expire... [11:06] gnomefreak: wontfix ... send him to brainstorm ;) [11:06] he filed it upstream [11:06] i cant close upstream [11:06] another option i would like to have [11:07] if he already filed i upstream, then set it to triaged [11:07] * asac does that now [11:08] couldnt tell me that 10 seconds ago? [11:09] although look at upstream bug [11:12] asac: you didnt change it? [11:14] asac: what format is used on mozillas bug tracker for links like to add link to upstream bug to LP bug [11:16] ok ill be back dog came in and wanted to speand time with me since my fathers g/f left and she left "HER" dog [11:20] gnomefreak: the idea is that our summary/description matches upstream format [11:20] thats why i did that "Normalized" format .... to forward easily/comparable [11:26] asac: doesnt matter i cant change upstreams and the same person filed it. if you want our bug opened you can do that? [11:27] Steps to reproduce crash (optional): that should NOT be optional [11:27] since not all back traces/crash reports have the info we need [11:28] The summary must read " crash in @topmost_function_in_backtrace", e.g. "firefox crash in @nsDocLoader::ReadAll" << users dont have a clue what they are doing here [11:30] otherwise looks good. we should really talk about tags on these pages if we are going to keep using them [11:30] if you look at the tags post from me to mailing list it should give you some idea on where i stand [11:32] asac: xulrunner update but no firefox update? [11:32] gnomefreak: ffox had to wait for xul [11:33] oh i thought you could push same time [11:33] gnomefreak: well.. i pushed same time, but the build needed the xul binary for the jemalloc thing [11:33] sweet i only have a list of 72 bugs [11:33] so it was in state WAITDEPEND [11:33] and probalby needs one publisher cycle more to reach you [11:33] ah [11:34] yeah hour or 2 [11:34] iirc publlishes every hour [11:34] * gnomefreak will start on "new" bugs than work on another status [11:36] what package are we using for ff2 in bugs? firefox or firefox-2? [11:36] firefox [11:37] (e.g. the source package is used in lp) [11:37] ah we should really migrate ff3 to use ff when ff2 reaches EOS [11:40] asac: what version is edgys ff-2? [11:40] !info firefox-2 edgy [11:40] 'edgy' is not a valid distribution [11:40] yes it is [11:44] gnomefreak: edgy is EOL [11:44] we support dapper, feisty, gutsy, ... [11:44] users should upgrade to at least feisty [11:44] asac: 18 months [11:44] that would bring it to 9.04 [11:45] 7.10 is edgy right? [11:46] gnomefreak: no [11:46] 7.19 is gutsy [11:46] err 7.10 [11:46] 6.10 is edgy [11:46] 7.04 is feisty [11:46] gutsy is 7.10 [11:46] i had a brain fart [11:46] 6.10 is edgy [11:46] yeah [11:47] its EOL since april or so [11:55] ummmmmmmm uh hmmmmmmmmm if you create another user for gnome does it carry over the video card drivers? [12:02] drivers yare system wide [12:02] not per-user [12:03] ok [12:04] thisis strange [12:08] gnomefreak: why? [12:10] his new usrer he made ff doesnt use default resolution and opens way too big for screen [12:11] asac https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/209499 [12:11] Launchpad bug 209499 in firefox "Default window size too large - slips under bottom panel" [Undecided,Incomplete] [12:14] bring to normalized form (should be easy) and search for upstream bug [12:15] its firefox-3.0 most likely? [12:15] reassign ;) [12:19] he said 2 [12:19] i think [12:21] * gnomefreak not likely to look upstream today i want us cleared out some first [12:22] The bug supervisor for firefox-3.0 (Ubuntu) has been subscribed to this bug. lol i guess this is us [12:22] asac: what setting do i change in about:config to make ff stop taking focus all the damn time [12:28] asac: please change firefox-3.0.1 addons dialog back to the way it was in 3.0 [12:29] its mising install option [12:31] what is the tinylink extension called? [12:32] i dont think there is a setting to prevent focus [12:32] but not sure [12:32] install option? [12:33] you can install extensions in the "Get Add-Ons" tab [12:34] no [12:34] well yeah but only ours [12:35] asac: there is a setting tog et ff to not open on top of all other windows but i cant remember the name of it [12:35] to get [12:40] oh wtf i know its out there i fucking had it installed [12:46] im guessing we didnt package tinyurl [13:28] wow ... my ssh session survived half an hour NM bustage ;) [13:28] ok lunch time i say [16:13] <[reed]> gnomefreak: you want access to mark a bug as a dupe? [16:14] [reed]: ill have to get back to you later, im having issues at home [16:14] <[reed]> k [16:14] thanks [16:50] originally asked in #ubuntu, #ubuntu+1, and #ubuntu-bugs, sent here as a last resort before filing a bug. firefox version 3.0 depends on firefox-3.0 when it should (i think) depend on firefox-3.0 version 3.0, should i report that as a bug? [16:57] sparr: whats wrong with the current state? [16:58] when i upgraded from firefox 3.0b5 to firefox 3.0, it did nothing, my firefox-3.0 (the real package) remained at version 3.0b5 [17:03] i can imagine that being rather confusing for someone not savvy to the details of the packaging system [17:03] sparr: is that a problem? just apt-get upgrade should usually upgrade you to latest [17:03] yes, it would, but that's not the scenario i am in [17:04] i have many older packages. i upgraded firefox by itself [17:04] sparr: someone not savvy to the packaging system would probably just upgrade to latest [17:04] saivann: depends should only take care that nothing breaks when you indivually upgrade packages [17:05] since firefox is just a meta package i dont see that we need to tighten depends there [17:05] but i will think about it [17:05] hello, I am not sure if i am right here for this question. I want to build sunbird 0.8/trunk from source on a hardy heron. I installed all existing dependencies for the 0.7 source-package. I always get an error "undefined reference to XRenderFindStandardFormat". I turned on the --enable-system-cairo , otherwise I get an error about an undefined cairo font. [17:05] just dont see the big point right now ;) [17:05] i doubt im the only person in this situation [17:05] just that it only rarely matters [17:06] fretchen: use our packaging [17:06] fretchen: feel free to help get a sunbird-0.x.dev branch started that gets regular updated to track latest development [17:07] asac : for the 0.8 on hardy heron ? [17:07] fretchen: the vision is to have a branch one can use to get a recent 0.x snapshot yes [17:08] fretchen: if you dont want to contribute, look in the debian/patches directory. we probably have a patch in there to build this [17:08] on modern gcc [17:08] err cairo ;) [17:08] asac : I am interested in this one, the only question . What do you mean with branch etc ? [17:09] fretchen: we maintain our packaging in bzr branches (like svn) [17:09] mozillateam branches are http://code.launchpad.net/~mozillateam [17:10] fretchen: the idea is to create a branch ubuntu-0.x.head which you start based on the https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/sunbird/ubuntu-0.x branch [17:13] asac : so I pull this branch, I try to merge it with the actual 0.x branch from mozilla and try to push it as 0.x.head ? [17:14] ( sry for all those questions, but I am totally new to the hole packaging process ) [17:16] fretchen: our branches are not full sources for various reasons. we only have the debian/ directory in there [17:17] fretchen: so what you do is: [17:17] 1. branch the current ubuntu-0.x branch [17:17] 2. bump changelog to the version you want to package: [17:17] .e.g dch -v0.8~cvs20080507t1256-0ubuntu1 -DUNRELEASED [17:18] leave that changelog quite empty and commit [17:18] as : [17:18] "* open tree for 0.8 snapshot DATE here" [17:19] 3. next to the branch directory you make a "tarballs" directory and put the snapshot that corresponds to the date you gave in changelog above [17:19] (the orig.tar.gz) [17:19] 4. you build the branch by bzr builddeb --merge --dont-purge [17:19] (you need bzr and bzr-builddeb package installed) [17:19] if that succeeds you push the branch to bzr [17:19] in launchpad [17:19] if not you fix and push then ;) [17:20] 5. done ;) [17:20] and I push it where ? [17:21] my own ppa ? [17:22] fretchen: for now you just push the branch to your private account (not the package) [17:22] i will review and push it to the ~mozillateam space [17:23] fretchen: e.g. bzr push lp:~fretchen/sunbird/ubuntu-0.x.head [17:23]