[00:00] <fta> i saw a cairo + fontconfig change reverting part of my patches from last year
[00:01] <asac> i probably didnt do that revert
[00:01] <fta> my last debdiff for cairo has been ignored by seb for weeks then someone else did it.. and broke it
[00:01] <asac> ask the merger who did it ;)
[00:01] <asac> hmm
[00:01] <fta> i don't have time, and i'm also sick of this
[00:03] <asac> i get hit hard by the "everyone can do everything" as well
[00:04] <asac> for instance they reintroduced libflashssupport in flashplugin-nonfree
[00:04] <asac> ;)
[00:04] <asac> as a depends
[00:08] <asac> did you post a merge bug? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cairo/
[00:09] <asac> that probably would hav eprevented it. cjwatson did the merge ... not sure why, but apparently it failed to build against latest fontconfig
[00:09] <asac> if he touches that package there is a good reason almost certainly as he usually has no time at all
[00:10] <asac> and isnt really into cairo ;)
[00:13] <asac> fontconfig was quite a huge merge i guess
[00:14] <asac> things probably sank there
[00:48] <gnomefreak> asac: you asked if i had done the bugs yet and no i havent but will this week. i had problems to handle witha  good friend this weekend
[00:48] <gnomefreak> Volans: have they added out meeting to fridge yet?
[00:49] <Volans> gnomefreak: yeah! under the google calendar they use now and upon asac request also in the online fridge calendar
[00:49] <Volans>  http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1595
[00:49] <Volans> perhaps we can add the link to the agenda... that is still empty
[00:50] <gnomefreak> i wilol do that when updates are done
[00:50] <Volans> I have added the date and time to this channel's topic and to the wiki pages (/Meetings and /Header)
[00:50] <gnomefreak> Volans: thanks
[00:51] <gnomefreak> just one meeting?
[00:51] <Volans> you spoke about the wiki or the fridge?
[00:52] <gnomefreak> wiki
[00:52] <gnomefreak> we cant add agenda to fridge
[00:52] <Jazzva> ok, i'm off. head hurts for some reason... See you tomorrow.
[00:52] <gnomefreak> nothing to do on wiki (from what i can tell
[00:52] <asac> gnomefreak: ok fine
[00:52] <gnomefreak> night Jazzva feel better
[00:52] <asac> Jazzva: cu
[00:52] <Jazzva> thanks :). night all.
[00:53] <Volans> gnomefreak: like this one http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1550
[00:53] <Volans> bye Jazzva
[00:53] <gnomefreak> we need agenda items for meeting or we can skip this one
[00:53] <asac> gnomefreak: we are on fridge
[00:53] <asac> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1595
[00:53] <gnomefreak> Volans: fridge editors have to do that
[00:53] <Volans> sure :) and we can also put on the wiki the next meetings if you want
[00:53] <gnomefreak> asac: im looking at it atm
[00:53] <asac> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/2008/08/03
[00:54] <asac> gnomefreak: i pinged cody
[00:54] <gnomefreak> i was looking into joining fridge editors but never got anything good
[00:54] <gnomefreak> asac: i pinged cody all week
[00:54] <asac> he said they switched to google calendar which wasnt integrated in website yet
[00:54] <gnomefreak> he kept putting it off for updates to fridge
[00:54] <asac> i asked him to add us to the old calendar too now ;)
[00:54] <asac> hmm
[00:54] <Volans> asac: we can only ask cody to add the link to the agenda, like this one http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1550 ;)
[00:54] <gnomefreak> why did they change to use google calendar?
[00:54] <Volans> and put something in the agenda
[00:55] <gnomefreak> Volans: i have 1 item on agenda
[00:55] <asac> gnomefreak: he didnt suggest to do that until i explicitly damanded it ;)
[00:55] <gnomefreak> thats the only one there
[00:55] <asac> gnomefreak: not sure why google. most likely its more comfortable
[00:55] <asac> gnomefreak: http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=amNzaXFybXAyaHIxZ25qcDg5bWY2NmR2cDQgajVxODVtbWk2dWp2anRpaTVzMW4zbGk1aW9AZw&ctz=Etc/GMT
[00:55] <gnomefreak> asac: yeah he hasnt changed. he was run off the ops for main channels and other things for being well him
[00:56] <asac> but its currently not linked from website at all ;)
[00:56] <asac> aha
[00:56] <asac> interesting
[00:56] <gnomefreak> well since your good at it demand him to add it ;)
[00:56] <asac> he is somewhat engaged in xubuntu quite a bit
[00:56] <gnomefreak> asac: that is recent
[00:56] <asac> gnomefreak: the wiki link?
[00:56] <asac> yeah. but not today
[00:56] <gnomefreak> like 2 months ago
[00:57] <asac> i am bailing out. eyes keep closing
[00:57] <gnomefreak> asac: yeah the agenda wiki link
[00:57] <asac> tiredness finally beats me ;)
[00:57] <gnomefreak> asac: thats fine have a good night
[00:57] <asac> thanks
[00:57] <asac> 'night all
[00:57] <gnomefreak> im here cleaning up before 8
[00:57] <asac> 8 EDT?
[00:58]  * asac off
[00:58] <gnomefreak> yeah
[01:01] <gnomefreak> can you use ical with google calendar?
[01:03] <gnomefreak> awway is going up but ill be here some of the time
[01:03] <Volans> never tried
[01:13] <Volans> now I go... bye bye
[01:41] <gnomefreak> anyone still up?
[01:46]  * Kamping_Kaiser fwiw
[01:49] <gnomefreak> cant open .so file :(
[01:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[09:24] <asac> hmm
[09:42] <asac> darn. that happens if you dont get NEW mails anymore. xul and ffox was stuck in binary new because of xulrunner-dev package
[09:52] <asac> gnomefreak: hurry ;)
[09:52]  * gnomefreak is the only person that tries to view a binary file :(
[09:52] <asac> we have 900 bugs open against ffox 3 :(
[09:52] <gnomefreak> asac: morning
[09:52] <asac> we must not reach 1k ;)
[09:52] <gnomefreak> thats not bad
[09:52] <asac> that would mean defeat :-D
[09:52] <gnomefreak> :)
[09:52] <asac> and surrender :(
[09:52] <gnomefreak> i have a few things to work on today bugs is one of them
[09:53] <gnomefreak> ill push ruby aside
[09:53] <gnomefreak> 900 bugs in total
[09:53] <gnomefreak> ?
[09:55] <gnomefreak> thats odd
[09:55] <gnomefreak> asac: why would someone need to renew memebership to a team that membership doesnt expire?
[09:55] <gnomefreak> ok wtf
[09:56] <gnomefreak> mozillateam (the whole team) is about to expire too :(
[09:56] <gnomefreak> ok first thing after email is that
[09:57] <asac> gnomefreak: he?
[09:57] <gnomefreak> oh im gonna hurt someone
[09:57] <asac> where is mozillateam expiring?
[09:57] <gnomefreak> On 2008-07-27, six days from now, the membership
[09:57] <gnomefreak> of Mozilla Team (mozillateam) (which you are
[09:57] <gnomefreak> the owner of) in the Ubuntu-MozillaSquad (ubuntu-mozillasquad) Launchpad team
[09:57] <gnomefreak> is due to expire.
[09:57] <asac> gnomefreak: ah
[09:58] <asac> well ... maybe we set that membership auto expires in that team?
[09:58] <asac> gnomefreak: isnt mozillateam the owner of squad?
[09:58] <gnomefreak> talking to LP about it. i atelast asked if awake
[09:58] <asac> then i think we dont need to bother ;)
[09:58] <gnomefreak> a month?
[09:58] <gnomefreak> Membership renewed until 2008-08-26.
[09:58] <asac> yeah .... strange
[09:58] <asac> hmm
[09:59] <asac> gnomefreak: err. all expire in a month
[09:59] <asac> thats bad ;)
[09:59] <asac> gnomefreak: can you fix that squad doesnt have that a tight expiry window?
[09:59] <gnomefreak> yeah i need to speak to Lp since that is the first time
[09:59] <gnomefreak> im working on it
[10:00] <asac> ok
[10:00] <asac> but in the end its an open team, so people can always renew on their own
[10:00] <asac> still wierd
[10:00] <gnomefreak> do you have link to squad?
[10:01] <gnomefreak> we lose the team if it expires
[10:01] <gnomefreak> than jump through hoops to get it back
[10:03] <gnomefreak> asac: can i use reply when getting a upstream mozilla bug?
[10:03] <gnomefreak> or do i need to open the page and comment
[10:06] <asac> gnomefreak: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/TriagersHandbook
[10:06] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/NormalizedBugFormat
[10:06] <asac> gnomefreak: no mozilla bugs can only be edited in webpage
[10:06] <asac> gnomefreak: i dont think we loose the team as mozillateam itself is owner
[10:07] <asac> just let it go
[10:07] <asac> ;)
[10:07] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozillasquad
[10:07] <gnomefreak> asac: we wont now that i already renewed
[10:08] <asac> k
[10:08] <asac> gnomefreak: and what about all the members?
[10:09] <gnomefreak> asac: i have to talk to lp admin to make sure of anything atm
[10:10] <gnomefreak> got someone that is trying to push bzr brznch but he never commited im sure he wissed all steps inbetweem too
[10:10] <asac> gnomefreak: who?
[10:11] <gnomefreak> ok why all those links?
[10:11] <gnomefreak> lut4rp
[10:11] <asac> gnomefreak: those links are the revised bug procedure for New, incomplete and confirmed states
[10:11] <asac> so if you process bugs maybe try to apply that and tell me if there are things missing
[10:11] <gnomefreak> k
[10:11] <asac> gnomefreak: the idea is to bring bugs in the "normalized form" so we can forward them
[10:12] <gnomefreak> you didnt happen to work on the responses page ;)
[10:14] <gnomefreak> asac: ok honestly there has to be a setting in about:preferences to make browser open images in another app
[10:14] <gnomefreak> is there?
[10:14] <asac> gnomefreak: hmm
[10:14] <asac> gnomefreak: about:config you mean ;)
[10:14] <asac> gnomefreak: well. i think you might be able to do that in the preferences -> applications dialog
[10:14] <gnomefreak> yeah that
[10:15] <gnomefreak> asac: i didnt see anything but i had looks 2 hours before i even saw this bug
[10:15] <asac> gnomefreak: can you set the "meeting schedule thing" on roadmap to "DONE" ?
[10:17] <gnomefreak> yeah ill clean that up
[10:17] <asac> isnt "Document redirection procedure to mozillateam-community on mozillateam membership page" done too?
[10:18] <gnomefreak> no setting in system > pref > prefered applications
[10:18] <gnomefreak> huh?
[10:19] <asac> gnomefreak: hmm
[10:19] <gnomefreak> we used squad for the team not community
[10:19] <asac> you can probably set it to firefox again. just curious ow that might have been emptied
[10:19] <asac> yeah
[10:19] <asac> i think community was just a "word" for it as we didnt have any final name yet
[10:22] <asac> gnomefreak: EDT what timezone is that?
[10:22] <asac> @time America/Boston
[10:22] <asac> @time America/Chicago
[10:22] <asac> is that EDT?
[10:23] <gnomefreak> could be i think chitown is an hour ahead of me
[10:23] <gnomefreak> but not sure
[10:23] <gnomefreak> @now chicago
[10:24] <gnomefreak> hour behind me
[10:27] <asac> EDT is UTC - 4
[10:28] <asac> from what i found on the net
[10:34] <Jazzva> @now newyork
[10:34] <Jazzva> @now new_york
[10:34] <Jazzva> asac ^
[10:34] <asac> yeah probably thats it
[10:34] <Jazzva> that is eastern time, I think
[10:35] <asac> in the end I dont understand why people ask me for appointments in UTC :/
[10:35] <asac> err, in EDT :-D
[10:36] <asac> most likely americans think the world has agreed on EDT;)
[10:36] <Jazzva> people should learn the offset of their time zone :)
[10:36] <asac> Jazzva: yeah ;) ... i guess they know, but assumed I'd know too
[10:36] <Jazzva> hehe :)
[10:37] <gnomefreak> god i hate LP
[10:37] <gnomefreak> how many teams do we have and what are thier links please :(
[10:37] <asac> squad
[10:37] <asac> extension team
[10:37] <Jazzva> Regarding extensions licensing... Sage-Too (which is developed from Sage by another team) is missing license information in the xpi file. I e-mailed the developer and he sent me in a mail that we can apply GPL as the license... Is that ok?
[10:37] <asac> the mozillateam
[10:37] <gnomefreak> extension team and bugs team
[10:37] <gnomefreak> those 2 i need to look at
[10:38] <asac> Jazzva: will he add that license to the .xpi?
[10:38] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, extensions is ~mozilla-extensions-dev
[10:38] <asac> Jazzva: did he say which version ?
[10:38] <gnomefreak> i just need the mozilla bugs link
[10:38] <asac> suggest to him GPLv3 or later ;)
[10:38] <Jazzva> asac, I was thinking of asking him that... to just place it in COPYING
[10:38] <gnomefreak> that was done correctly
[10:39] <gnomefreak> asac: in about:config is there a setting for the way browser opens images?
[10:39] <asac> Jazzva: well. tell him that it would work that way, but in the end he should publish a licensed .xpi ... or at least a source ball
[10:39] <Jazzva> asac, here is the quote "you are welcome to apply the GPL as per http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl.txt "
[10:39] <asac> to avoid confusion
[10:39] <Jazzva> that points to gpl 3 ;)
[10:40] <asac> ok. and (or any later version) ?
[10:41] <Jazzva> asac, that's mentioned in the license. "either version 3 of the License, or (at your option) any later version."
[10:41] <asac> Jazzva: where? afaict its just in the section that describes the options you have for licensing with gpl 3
[10:42] <asac> Jazzva: he has at least to put one sentence somewhere: "licensed under GPL v3 or any later version"
[10:42] <asac> Jazzva: is there a source tarball available out there?
[10:42] <asac> or svn with a license?
[10:42] <Jazzva> no. that's the trouble.
[10:42] <Jazzva> it just has xpi
[10:43] <Jazzva> so... COPYING is used for the text of the license... and what is used for licensing info?
[10:44] <Jazzva> or, he can place that notice in COPYING, before the text of the license?
[10:45] <asac> Jazzva: he could place that info on top of the file yes.
[10:45] <Jazzva> Good... thanks
[10:46] <asac> Jazzva: he should just post the example header on top of that file:
[10:46] <asac> Jazzva: http://paste.ubuntu.com/28947/
[10:47] <Jazzva> Ok...
[10:47] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/28948/
[10:53] <gnomefreak> [reed]: when you awaken can you ping me i would like to know how long it takes before i can go up a level in mozilla bug tracker (mark dupes) is the main thing im thinking
[10:54] <gnomefreak> asac: in about:config what would i search for to findout if there is a setting to open images in gnome viewer app i guess its not eye of gnome
[10:57] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, I'm not sure if it's in about:config, but can't you set that in Edit->Preferences->Programs?
[10:57] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: no
[10:58] <gnomefreak> just accesiblity
[10:58] <gnomefreak> orka and such
[10:58] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, that's funny. I can select what program to use to open jpegs...
[10:59] <gnomefreak> in system >preferences > perferd apps?
[10:59] <gnomefreak> prefered apps
[10:59] <Jazzva> no... in Firefox->Edit menu-> ...
[11:00] <gnomefreak> i didnt get chance for menu
[11:00] <asac> gnomefreak: in the firefox application you can configure that in the preferences -> APPLICATIONS  dialog ;)
[11:00] <gnomefreak> yeah that is what i told him
[11:01] <Jazzva> heh... my system is localised... that's why I translated as "programs" :)
[11:01] <gnomefreak> asac: anyway to set gnome viewer in our builds or does this have to be done upstream?
[11:01] <asac> gnomefreak: there is no sense in doing that by default
[11:01] <asac> ffox can display images on its own
[11:01] <gnomefreak> asac: you said there was
[11:01] <gnomefreak> asac: its not
[11:01] <gnomefreak> hold on
[11:02] <asac> if ffox couldnt display images we would have more bugs most likely
[11:02] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, did you set the expiration period for mozillasquad members to 1 month? Can we extend that to unlimited time :)?
[11:02] <gnomefreak> damn i dont see the bug report for LP in email
[11:02] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: its fixed
[11:02] <gnomefreak> and yes
[11:03] <Jazzva> ah, sorry. Maybe it doesn't apply automatically to the old members...
[11:03] <gnomefreak> bug 250228
[11:04] <gnomefreak> thats not it
[11:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[11:04] <gnomefreak> bug 195105
[11:04] <gnomefreak> asac: thats the bug
[11:05] <Jazzva> ok, i'll go through the memberships in mozillasquad and set them to don't expire...
[11:06] <asac> gnomefreak: wontfix ... send him to brainstorm ;)
[11:06] <gnomefreak> he filed it upstream
[11:06] <gnomefreak> i cant close upstream
[11:06] <gnomefreak> another option i would like to have
[11:07] <asac> if he already filed i upstream, then set it to triaged
[11:07]  * asac  does that now
[11:08] <gnomefreak> couldnt tell me that 10 seconds ago?
[11:09] <gnomefreak> although look at upstream bug
[11:12] <gnomefreak> asac: you didnt change it?
[11:14] <gnomefreak> asac: what format is used on mozillas bug tracker for links like to add link to upstream bug to LP bug
[11:16] <gnomefreak> ok ill be back dog came in and wanted to speand time with me since my fathers g/f left and she left "HER" dog
[11:20] <asac> gnomefreak: the idea is that our summary/description matches upstream format
[11:20] <asac> thats why i did that "Normalized" format .... to forward easily/comparable
[11:26] <gnomefreak> asac: doesnt matter i cant change upstreams and the same person filed it. if you want our bug opened you can do that?
[11:27] <gnomefreak> Steps to reproduce crash (optional):  that should NOT be optional
[11:27] <gnomefreak> since not all back traces/crash reports have the info we need
[11:28] <gnomefreak> The summary must read "<APPLICATION> crash in @topmost_function_in_backtrace", e.g. "firefox crash in @nsDocLoader::ReadAll"   << users dont have a clue what they are doing here
[11:30] <gnomefreak> otherwise looks good. we should really talk about tags on these pages if we are going to keep using them
[11:30] <gnomefreak> if you look at the tags post from me to mailing list it should give you some idea on where i stand
[11:32] <gnomefreak> asac: xulrunner update but no firefox update?
[11:32] <asac> gnomefreak: ffox had to wait for xul
[11:33] <gnomefreak> oh i thought you could push same time
[11:33] <asac> gnomefreak: well.. i pushed same time, but the build needed the xul binary for the jemalloc thing
[11:33] <gnomefreak> sweet i only have a list of 72 bugs
[11:33] <asac> so it was in state WAITDEPEND
[11:33] <asac> and probalby needs one publisher cycle more to reach you
[11:33] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:34] <gnomefreak> yeah hour or 2
[11:34] <gnomefreak> iirc publlishes every hour
[11:34]  * gnomefreak will start on "new" bugs than work on another status
[11:36] <gnomefreak> what package are we using for ff2 in bugs? firefox or firefox-2?
[11:36] <asac> firefox
[11:37] <asac> (e.g. the source package is used in lp)
[11:37] <gnomefreak> ah we should really migrate ff3 to use ff when ff2 reaches EOS
[11:40] <gnomefreak> asac: what version is edgys ff-2?
[11:40] <gnomefreak> !info firefox-2 edgy
[11:40] <gnomefreak> yes it is
[11:44] <asac> gnomefreak: edgy is EOL
[11:44] <asac> we support dapper, feisty, gutsy, ...
[11:44] <asac> users should upgrade to at least feisty
[11:44] <gnomefreak> asac: 18  months
[11:44] <gnomefreak> that would bring it to 9.04
[11:45] <gnomefreak> 7.10 is edgy right?
[11:46] <asac> gnomefreak: no
[11:46] <asac> 7.19 is gutsy
[11:46] <asac> err 7.10
[11:46] <gnomefreak> 6.10 is edgy
[11:46] <asac> 7.04 is feisty
[11:46] <gnomefreak> gutsy is 7.10
[11:46] <gnomefreak> i had a brain fart
[11:46] <asac> 6.10 is edgy
[11:46] <asac> yeah
[11:47] <asac> its EOL since april or so
[11:55] <gnomefreak> ummmmmmmm uh hmmmmmmmmm if you create another user for gnome does it carry over the video card drivers?
[12:02] <asac> drivers yare system wide
[12:02] <asac> not per-user
[12:03] <gnomefreak> ok
[12:04] <gnomefreak> thisis strange
[12:08] <asac> gnomefreak: why?
[12:10] <gnomefreak> his new usrer he made ff doesnt use default resolution and opens way too big for screen
[12:11] <gnomefreak> asac https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/209499
[12:14] <asac> bring to normalized form (should be easy) and search for upstream bug
[12:15] <asac> its firefox-3.0 most likely?
[12:15] <asac> reassign ;)
[12:19] <gnomefreak> he said 2
[12:19] <gnomefreak> i think
[12:21]  * gnomefreak not likely to look upstream today i want us cleared out some first
[12:22] <gnomefreak> The bug supervisor for firefox-3.0 (Ubuntu) has been subscribed to this bug.  lol i guess this is us
[12:22] <gnomefreak> asac: what setting do i change in about:config to make ff stop taking focus all the damn time
[12:28] <gnomefreak> asac: please change firefox-3.0.1 addons dialog back to the way it was in 3.0
[12:29] <gnomefreak> its mising install option
[12:31] <gnomefreak> what is the tinylink extension called?
[12:32] <asac> i dont think there is a setting to prevent focus
[12:32] <asac> but not sure
[12:32] <asac> install option?
[12:33] <asac> you can install extensions in the "Get Add-Ons" tab
[12:34] <gnomefreak> no
[12:34] <gnomefreak> well yeah but only ours
[12:35] <gnomefreak> asac: there is a setting tog et ff to not open on top of all other windows but i cant remember the name of it
[12:35] <gnomefreak> to get
[12:40] <gnomefreak> oh wtf i know its out there i fucking had it installed
[12:46] <gnomefreak> im guessing we didnt package tinyurl
[13:28] <asac> wow ... my ssh session survived half an hour NM bustage ;)
[13:28] <asac> ok lunch time i say
[16:13] <[reed]> gnomefreak: you want access to mark a bug as a dupe?
[16:14] <gnomefreak> [reed]: ill have to get back to you later, im having issues at home
[16:14] <[reed]> k
[16:14] <gnomefreak> thanks
[16:50] <sparr> originally asked in #ubuntu, #ubuntu+1, and #ubuntu-bugs, sent here as a last resort before filing a bug.  firefox version 3.0 depends on firefox-3.0 when it should (i think) depend on firefox-3.0 version 3.0, should i report that as a bug?
[16:57] <asac> sparr: whats wrong with the current state?
[16:58] <sparr> when i upgraded from firefox 3.0b5 to firefox 3.0, it did nothing, my firefox-3.0 (the real package) remained at version 3.0b5
[17:03] <sparr> i can imagine that being rather confusing for someone not savvy to the details of the packaging system
[17:03] <asac> sparr: is that a problem? just apt-get upgrade should usually upgrade you to latest
[17:03] <sparr> yes, it would, but that's not the scenario i am in
[17:04] <sparr> i have many older packages.  i upgraded firefox by itself
[17:04] <asac> sparr: someone not savvy to the packaging system would probably just upgrade to latest
[17:04] <asac> saivann: depends should only take care that nothing breaks when you indivually upgrade packages
[17:05] <asac> since firefox is just a meta package i dont see that we need to tighten depends there
[17:05] <asac> but i will think about it
[17:05] <fretchen> hello, I am not sure if i am right here for this question. I want to build sunbird 0.8/trunk from source on a hardy heron. I installed all existing dependencies for the 0.7 source-package.  I always get an error "undefined reference to XRenderFindStandardFormat". I turned on the --enable-system-cairo , otherwise I get an error about an undefined cairo font.
[17:05] <asac> just dont see the big point right now ;)
[17:05] <sparr> i doubt im the only person in this situation
[17:05] <sparr> just that it only rarely matters
[17:06] <asac> fretchen: use our packaging
[17:06] <asac> fretchen: feel free to help get a sunbird-0.x.dev branch started that gets regular updated to track latest development
[17:07] <fretchen> asac : for the 0.8 on hardy heron ?
[17:07] <asac> fretchen: the vision is to have a branch one can use to get a recent 0.x snapshot yes
[17:08] <asac> fretchen: if you dont want to contribute, look in the debian/patches directory. we probably have a patch in there to build this
[17:08] <asac> on modern gcc
[17:08] <asac> err cairo ;)
[17:08] <fretchen> asac : I am interested in this one, the only question . What do you mean with branch etc ?
[17:09] <asac> fretchen: we maintain our packaging in bzr branches (like svn)
[17:09] <asac> mozillateam branches are http://code.launchpad.net/~mozillateam
[17:10] <asac> fretchen:  the idea is to create a branch ubuntu-0.x.head which you start based on the https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/sunbird/ubuntu-0.x branch
[17:13] <fretchen> asac : so I pull this branch, I try to merge it with the actual 0.x branch from mozilla and try to push it as 0.x.head ?
[17:14] <fretchen> ( sry for all those questions, but I am totally new to the hole packaging process )
[17:16] <asac> fretchen: our branches are not full sources for various reasons. we only have the debian/ directory in there
[17:17] <asac> fretchen: so what you do is:
[17:17] <asac> 1. branch the current ubuntu-0.x branch
[17:17] <asac> 2. bump changelog to the version you want to package:
[17:17] <asac>   .e.g dch -v0.8~cvs20080507t1256-0ubuntu1 -DUNRELEASED
[17:18] <asac> leave that changelog quite empty and commit
[17:18] <asac> as :
[17:18] <asac> "* open tree for 0.8 snapshot DATE here"
[17:19] <asac> 3. next to the branch directory you make a "tarballs" directory and put the snapshot that corresponds to the date you gave in changelog above
[17:19] <asac> (the orig.tar.gz)
[17:19] <asac> 4. you build the branch by bzr builddeb --merge --dont-purge
[17:19] <asac> (you need bzr and bzr-builddeb package installed)
[17:19] <asac> if that succeeds you push the branch to bzr
[17:19] <asac> in launchpad
[17:19] <asac> if not you fix and push then ;)
[17:20] <asac> 5. done ;)
[17:20] <fretchen> and I push it where ?
[17:21] <fretchen> my own ppa ?
[17:22] <asac> fretchen: for now you just push the branch to your private account (not the package)
[17:22] <asac> i will review and push it to the ~mozillateam space
[17:23] <asac> fretchen: e.g. bzr push lp:~fretchen/sunbird/ubuntu-0.x.head
[17:23] <asac> (i assume that your launchpad id is fretchen)
[17:23] <asac> fretchen: once you did a few updates we go ahead and add you to mozillateam so you can push directly
[17:24] <fretchen> asac : at first i'll try number 1-5 after this we will see :D
[17:24] <asac> fretchen: yeah ;)
[17:24] <asac> you rock!
[17:24] <asac> sunbird is much neglected as i usually do it whenever i have time left ;)
[17:25] <fretchen> it's the only product of mozilla i started to develop on, and it sucks to develop, but to be unabled to build
[17:26] <asac> fretchen: yes. our patches should help there
[17:26] <fretchen> thx, I'll ask when I got forwards
[17:27] <asac> cool
[17:54] <fretchen> asac : what do I want to say with this line ? dch -v0.8~cvs20080507t1256-0ubuntu1 -DUNRELEASED  I didn't find anything like this in the changlog
[17:55] <asac> fretchen: you should run that on the command line
[17:55] <asac> that will create a new changelog entry with the given version and the UNRELEASED distribution as target
[17:55] <asac> and with you and your email properly set and time etc.
[17:55] <asac> :)
[17:56] <fretchen> thx
[18:47] <fretchen> asac : I loaded the cvs for the calendar and packed the mozilla directory (not the cvslog) into tarballs/lightning... . But now I get the error:  A Debian packaging error occured: Could not find upstream tarball at ... (the file exists)
[18:48] <fretchen> or does I have to add this directory at first ?
[18:51] <asac> fretchen: you need to choosed the right name
[18:51] <asac> it has to end with .orig.tar.gz
[18:51] <asac> fretchen: look at how the current lightning-sunbird tarball is layouted
[18:51] <asac> and copy that
[18:51] <asac> you need to put that tarball in a directory called "tarballs" next to the branch
[19:07] <fretchen> asac : thx this was the problem. Do I install all the dependences from hand or is there a fancy tool, that checks for me if the package is build with the defined dependencies ?
[19:08] <asac> fretchen: to install build-deps for packages that are in the archive you run:
[19:08] <asac> sudo apt-get build-dep packagename
[19:09] <asac> those might not be enough for latest trunk ... but thats why we want to build snapshots to figure that out _before_ release ;)
[19:09] <asac> usually they are a good start
[19:11] <fretchen> yeah, sounds logical
[19:38] <Jazzva> asac, Readme.txt can contain license too?
[19:44] <fretchen> asac : What can I do here ? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/29058
[20:10] <asac> Jazzva: yes
[20:10] <asac> Jazzva: not perfect but any document that clearly states that all thef iles are licensed like this or that would be good
[20:11] <asac> fretchen: i think your orig.tar.gz layout is not right
[20:11] <asac> fretchen: look what the tarball in current archive has
[20:11] <asac> maybe its an embedded tarball layout (e.g. a bz2 in a orig.tar.gz)
[20:13] <Jazzva> asac, ok. Then sage-too's license is sorted out :)
[20:13] <Jazzva> the developer updated to 1.0.1 with license inside :)
[20:26] <asac> Jazzva: rock
[20:40] <fretchen> asac : if a patch seems to obsolete I delete it and note it somewhere ?
[21:22] <fretchen> asac : sry, my connection is extremly instable
[21:24] <fretchen> asac it would be really really great if you could answer my last question, how to process with obsolete patches in a mail, otherwise i will have big probs to get your answer.
[21:34] <Jazzva> wow, this is bad: Unless otherwise stated within any of the files included in the Sage-Too distribution, the authors retain no copyright and reserve no rights.
[21:35] <Jazzva> and then comes the part that says the program is published under gpl 3
[21:36] <Jazzva> Is this right? Can someone say that they claim no rights over program, and that the program is published under gpl3?
[22:19] <Jazzva> asac, med-xpi-pack should ignore if XPI file already exists. It breaks the build if med-xpi-pack checks for xpi file.
[22:22] <asac> Jazzva: yeah
[22:22] <Jazzva> wow... from xpi file to packaged extension in ~25 minutes. mozilla-devscripts rock :)
[22:22] <asac> can yo ufix that?
[22:22] <Jazzva> yep... I'll just remove that part and push it
[22:49] <asac> Jazzva: in case there are things in the intrepid sponsoring queue i failed to spot feel free to prod me so i upload ;)
[22:50] <Jazzva> asac, for extensions?
[22:50] <asac> yeah
[22:50] <asac> you have anything else that needs to be uploaded?
[22:50] <Jazzva> not atm... I think.
[22:50] <Jazzva> I'm waiting for sage-too developer to reply me regarding putting them as copyright holders
[22:51] <Jazzva> but there will be... I'm planning to see which of my extensions has updates and to update them
[22:52] <Jazzva> I just noticed livehttpheaders, foxyproxy, and ctxextensions are still waiting
[22:53] <Jazzva> But I would like to add med-xpi-pack to their debian/ dirs, so I can cleanup the rules file and to be ready when we start using med-xpi-unpack/pack
[22:55] <asac> Jazzva: are those finished?
[22:55] <asac> (waiting)
[22:56] <Jazzva> not quite sure. I think they were, but then I found out we're not merging extensions from Debian. I would like to recheck them.
[22:57] <asac> i am a bit confused. i dont see bugs about them in firefox-extensions project
[22:57] <asac> how should we know?
[22:57] <asac> did they ask for merging to the .ubuntu ubuntu-dev branch?
[22:58] <asac> ok flashblock backport is missing
[22:58] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/firefox-extensions/flashblock.ubuntu
[22:58] <asac> request for merging
[22:58] <asac> is pending
[22:58] <Jazzva> bugs for extensions I updated? Well, they're filed against their projects...
[22:58] <asac> hmm
[22:59] <Jazzva> Maybe we should add to the Packaging page that all extensions' sponsor bugs should be filed agains firefox-extensions?
[22:59] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/firefox-extensions/foxyproxy.ubuntu
[22:59] <asac> there is no merge request
[22:59] <asac> only a fix released bu
[22:59] <asac> g
[23:00] <Jazzva> hmm... maybe i still haven't linked that one. I probably wasn't sure if i need to clean it up...
[23:00] <Jazzva> yep... I still haven't linked it. bug 241669
[23:01] <asac> ok
[23:01] <Jazzva> asac, let me clean it up tonight, and I'll ping you :)
[23:01] <asac> ok for https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/firefox-extensions/mozilla-ctxextensions.ubuntu there is a merge request
[23:02] <Jazzva> Yeah, I remember that. Just give me a second
[23:02] <asac> somehow we lack a search facility to find branches that have a merge request pending
[23:02] <asac> i mean in launchpad
[23:02] <Jazzva> I would like to clean it up and use med-xpi-pack :)
[23:11] <asac> Jazzva: if you see any ubuntu-dev branch that is not mature let me know
[23:12] <asac> i would love to see just release branches when looking at that long list ;)
[23:12] <Jazzva> ubuntu-dev branch for extensions? or att all?
[23:12] <asac> ubuntu-dev branch is the release branch from where auto uploads happen ;)
[23:13] <asac> i see that you have a mature branch as well ;)
[23:13] <Jazzva> right... but there are ubuntu-dev branches that are not for extensions, right :)?
[23:13] <asac> ctxextensions
[23:13] <Jazzva> it's being worked on now :)
[23:13] <asac> Jazzva: definitly ... thats why i need to be able to filter for "mature" in the firefox-extensions project
[23:13] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/firefox-extensions?field.lifecycle=MATURE
[23:13] <asac> we dont have anything better to get a good list
[23:14] <Jazzva> ah... so I need to set it either to Development or Merged?
[23:15] <Jazzva> and Mature only when it's ready for merging?
[23:15] <asac> Jazzva: if its merged, "merged" would be the right thing i guess
[23:15] <asac> if its still proposed just use development
[23:16] <Jazzva> ok.
[23:16] <asac> Jazzva: hmm. not sure. maybe not a bad idea to set it to mature when its ready for merging
[23:16] <asac> however, i dont want to rely on contributors to remember to set it to merged in order to make it disappear
[23:16] <asac> not sure
[23:16] <asac> the launchpad page could be improved i guess ;)
[23:17] <Jazzva> hmm
[23:17] <Jazzva> auto-set to Merged when a commit is pushed with description "RELEASE something to dist"?
[23:18] <asac> we cannot easily set the branch state to "merged" unless we ask contributors to use the ~mozilla-extensions-dev team code area
[23:18] <asac> maybe that makes sense in the end
[23:18] <asac> e.g. put your proposed branches to the med team  ;)
[23:19] <Jazzva> hmm... i thought if that can be implemented in LP... but maybe it's not worth it, as this might be an isolated case
[23:19] <Jazzva> asac, that's also good. And we can receive e-mail notices, so we can see when new branches are ready
[23:19] <asac> well. i think launchpad should get a indicator that a branch has "proposed merges"
[23:19] <asac> then i dont care what state the other hsa
[23:20] <asac> if i can also constrained a project list by "owner team" then i would be totally happy ;)
[23:20] <Jazzva> "a project lit by owner team"?
[23:22] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/firefox-extensions/ - thats the projet list ;)
[23:22] <asac> i cannot filter "just ubuntu-dev" there
[23:23] <asac> if i go to https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev
[23:23] <asac> i cannot filter by firefox-extensions ;)
[23:23] <asac> so i cannot filter by owner team AND project ;)
[23:23] <asac> at least the latter page can be sorted by project ;)
[23:24] <asac> ha ... i can filter the firefox-extensions page by "registrants"
[23:24] <asac> thats ok
[23:25] <Jazzva> aha, I see...
[23:25] <asac> still having the ability to set most contribution branches to "hidden" aka "merged" would be fine
[23:25] <asac> so encouraging the ~mozilla-extensions-dev team as registrant for such branches makes sense ;)
[23:26] <Jazzva> Hm. Ok, but we can keep 1 extensions needed rule :)...
[23:26] <Jazzva> just not to give access to med to everyone. It has some risk...
[23:26] <asac> right
[23:27] <asac> i think we shouldnt try to workaround launchpad problems too much. so lets keep it as it is