[00:00] <gaurdro> i just upgraded to intrepid, and i was wondering what the goadmin etc are under accessories?
[00:58] <bradftas> Hi all, I am running xubuntu 8.04 with compiz. Anyone have any idea how to make the gnome-screensaver (the one xfce4 uses) to work with compiz?
[01:00] <cody-somerville> It doesn't work?
[01:01] <bradftas> Not on my system at least.
[01:01] <bradftas> I am able to preview the screensaver (with lots of flicker), but it does not automatically kick in.
[01:02] <bradftas> And I have been using linux for more than 10 years, so I am sure I actually have the screensaver enabled :)
[01:02] <cody-somerville> bradftas, can you tell me the comments of ~/.dmrc ?
[01:03] <bradftas> [Desktop]Session=default
[01:03] <bradftas> two lines
[01:03] <bradftas> [Desktop]
[01:03] <bradftas> Session=default
[01:03] <cody-somerville> Yes, thats the issue
[01:03] <cody-somerville> Log back out to gdm
[01:03] <cody-somerville> click session, xfce4
[01:03] <cody-somerville> and then log back in, making xfce4 your default
[01:04] <bradftas> I will be back in a minute to let you know how it works.
[01:09] <bradftas> cody-somerville: that did the trick. Now if I can get get rid of the flicker
[01:10] <cody-somerville> :)
[01:10] <bradftas> that is just to wicked. the session name hosed me.
[01:11] <cody-somerville> hmm?
[01:12] <cody-somerville> anom01y, can you fix your connection please? :P
[01:13] <anom01y> cody-somerville: what do you mean ?
[01:13] <anom01y> ahh I thought that was the server
[01:13] <cody-somerville> anom01y, you keep disconnecting and reconnecting constantly. :)
[02:06] <ISEE-gentoolivec> Does anyone have a problem where the xubuntu livecd, while loading the kernel, when it makes it to 100%, the computer just shuts off?
[02:06] <cody-somerville> Ouch
[02:06] <ISEE-gentoolivec> using xubuntu x_86 8.04
[02:06] <cody-somerville> You might want to visit #ubuntu-kernel tomorrow during working hours
[02:06] <ISEE-gentoolivec> well, ubuntu live cd works
[02:07] <ISEE-gentoolivec> So I almost don't see why xubuntu goes kaput
[02:07] <cody-somerville> ISEE-gentoolivec, ah
[02:07] <cody-somerville> Did you verify your cd burned correctly?
[02:08] <ISEE-gentoolivec> No
[02:09] <ISEE-gentoolivec> I can't really check as I dont have another machine lying around and a burner with the iso near me
[02:09] <ISEE-gentoolivec> Wonder if I can install xubuntu from a gentoo live cd
[02:10] <cody-somerville> ISEE-gentoolivec, there is an option at boot
[02:12] <ISEE-gentoolivec> Well im just here in a minimal cd right now on irssi
[02:12] <ISEE-gentoolivec> well /me thinks he will try burning another cd
[02:12] <ISEE-gentoolivec> ttyl
[02:12]  * cody-somerville nods.
[02:12] <cody-somerville> Thanks for dropping by!
[02:12] <ISEE-gentoolivec> no problem
[02:58] <BSG75> can someone tell me how I install themes for xubuntu.. first time xubuntu user long time ubuntu user .. trying to find my way around xfce :)
[02:59] <cody-somerville> BSG75, :)
[03:01] <BSG75> cody-somerville: :)
[03:01] <cody-somerville> !xfce-themes | BSG75
[03:01] <BSG75> sweet
[03:08] <whileimhere> Howdy. The panels in XFCE are rather dull. Is there anyway to spiff them up a bit like skins or anything?
[03:08] <cody-somerville> whileimhere, yup
[03:09] <whileimhere> Can you tell me about them cody
[03:09] <cody-somerville> http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/howto-set-a-background-image-for-your-panel/
[03:11] <whileimhere> Perfect. I will try it now.
[03:13] <whileimhere> I wonder if I can get AWM to work on this laptop
[03:13] <cody-somerville> You can, yes.
[03:14] <whileimhere> I know it would not work under GNOME.
[03:14] <whileimhere> Think XFCE might do it?
[03:15] <cody-somerville> http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/xubuntu-compiz-pretty-pretty-xubuntu/
[03:19] <BSG75> okay, I must be doing something wrong because I untar'd the theme into .themes and when I relog nothing changes :(
[03:19] <whileimhere> I get this Checking for hardware/setup problems...           [WARN] as the only non green one.
[03:19] <whileimhere> iht the compiz check script any idea why really?
[03:21] <whileimhere> can I install on XFCE AWM without all the compiz?
[03:24] <cody-somerville> BSG75, you have to select the theme from applications > settings > settings manager
[03:24] <cody-somerville> and then click on user interface or whatever
[03:27] <BSG75> thank you :)
[03:30] <BSG75> wow xfce is customizable :)
[03:31] <BSG75> I think I like it better than kde4.1
[03:43] <arvind_khadri> hi how do i start display manager of xfce ..
[03:46] <ISEE-xubuntu> hey cody-somerville
[03:46] <cody-somerville> Heya
[03:46] <cody-somerville> arvind_khadri, click session at login, click xfce, and then login
[03:46] <ISEE-xubuntu> The disk works now and xubuntu is installed :)
[03:46] <arvind_khadri> cody-somerville, from a terminal i mean...
[03:46] <ISEE-xubuntu> Was just wondering how I can add administrative tasks of some sort to the panel
[03:47] <cody-somerville> ISEE-xubuntu, a few yea, just right click, click add to panel, and thats whats available
[03:47] <cody-somerville> arvind_khadri, starxfce4
[03:47] <arvind_khadri> cody-somerville, what is the gdm equivalent in xfce
[03:47] <ISEE-xubuntu> unfortunately I did not see it
[03:47] <ISEE-xubuntu> cody-somerville:
[03:47] <arvind_khadri> cody-somerville, ok ..
[03:47] <ISEE-xubuntu> that is ok though cody-somerville`
[03:48] <cody-somerville> arvind_khadri, gdm
[03:51] <ISEE-xubuntu> um my panels and start menu just disapeared
[03:52] <ISEE-xubuntu> :S
[03:52] <cody-somerville> ISEE-xubuntu, press alt+f2
[03:52] <cody-somerville> and type in: xfce4-panel
[03:53] <ISEE-xubuntu> cody-somerville: thank you
[03:53] <cody-somerville> np
[03:57] <burner_> does gnome-screensaver actually rely on anything gnome specific?  or is it just gtk that xfce could use?
[03:57] <arth> how can i clear the recently viewed items in the default movie player?
[03:58] <burner_> what's the default movie player?
[03:58] <burner_> gxine?
[03:58] <arth> i think so
[03:58] <arth> it just says movie player
[03:58]  * burner_ shrugs
[04:00] <ISEE-xubuntu> cody-somerville: Ubuntu usually automounts other ext3 and NTFS partitions.  Is this true with xubuntu or do I need to change things manually in fstab
[04:00] <cody-somerville> ISEE-xubuntu, I don't think it auto mounts currently.
[04:00] <ISEE-xubuntu> righto
[05:22] <suzume> hi everyone!
[05:22] <suzume> i have a question about ALSA
[05:22] <suzume> any takers?
[05:25] <suzume> it's really quiet in here
[05:25] <suzume> maybe now is a bad time
[05:30] <Don_Miguel> maybe ask it over in #Ubuntu
[05:31] <Don_Miguel> or maybe there is a channel #ALSA
[05:31] <suzume> i'll try that
[07:39] <bassboi> this may be a crazy question, but can i convert ntfs to fat32?
[07:39] <bassboi> tried a google
[07:39] <bassboi> well
[07:39] <bassboi> didnt try hard enough
[07:41] <TheSheep> neither ntfs or fat32 are linux filesystems, so I guess you should try asking on ##windows or something
[07:41] <bassboi> well what im tryin to do is have a large hard drive for data, accessible between xubuntu and windows
[07:42] <bassboi> i didn't think ntfs support was fully there
[07:42] <bassboi> from what i read, some ppl have data destroyed
[07:42] <TheSheep> !ext3
[07:45] <bassboi> ah
[07:45] <bassboi> im torn
[07:45] <bassboi> ntfs of ext3
[07:45] <bassboi> or*
[07:45] <bassboi> i mean, the data is already here... well, bout 1/3 i backed up to ext3
[07:46] <TheSheep> afaik both are not 100% reliable
[07:46] <bassboi> k
[07:47] <bassboi> well since i do have 2 PCs
[07:47] <bassboi> i think this one gonna run xubuntu, and the other windows
[08:00] <Ege123> Hi, is it possible to get Compiz-effects to Xubuntu-desktop? I tried to download them by Synatic but can't find them anymore. ;/
[08:01] <TheSheep> it is possible, but involves a little more work than in ubuntu, there should be howtos on the forum
[08:02] <Ege123> Ok. ;)
[08:02] <bassboi> hey
[08:02] <bassboi> I got a link for u
[08:02] <bassboi> Ege123
[08:02] <Ege123> ?
[08:02] <bassboi> http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/xubuntu-compiz-pretty-pretty-xubuntu/
[08:02] <bassboi> i did that
[08:02] <bassboi> using hardy
[08:02] <bassboi> i played with it for 3 hours
[08:02] <bassboi> lol
[08:03] <Ege123> Ok, i try. :D
[08:03] <bassboi> that's using compiz fusion
[08:03] <bassboi> btw
[08:23] <bassboi> cool
[08:24] <bassboi> i helped someone
[08:42] <cody-somerville> :)
[08:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> cody-somerville: how do i blend the two panels on my xubuntu desktop so they don't overlap or get in the view of eachother
[08:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> i want to have a single taskbar-like bar
[08:46] <cody-somerville> CostaRicanQuaker, You could delete the second one
[08:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> whatmwill happen when i minize then? and how do i get the desktop icon on the first one and the several workspaces?
[08:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> cody-somerville:
[08:47] <cody-somerville> CostaRicanQuaker, you'd have to add those applets to your lone panel
[08:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> cody-somerville: is that option available at the settings panel?
[08:49]  * CostaRicanQuaker just removed second panel and can't find the minimized stuff on the panel #1
[08:49] <cody-somerville> right click the panel
[08:49] <cody-somerville> and click add to pane
[08:49] <cody-somerville> err "Add new item"
[08:51] <CostaRicanQuaker> then?
[08:51] <CostaRicanQuaker> i mean i added the new desktop
[08:51] <CostaRicanQuaker> but how do i get theprograms to minimize unto it
[08:51] <CostaRicanQuaker> and windows
[09:00] <CostaRicanQuaker> cody-somerville:?
[09:00] <cody-somerville> add task list
[09:00]  * cody-somerville is going to bed now.
[09:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> thankyou
[09:07] <CostaRicanQuaker> can i add compiz-fusion to xubuntu?
[09:07] <bassboi> yzyz'
[09:07] <bassboi> http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/xubuntu-compiz-pretty-pretty-xubuntu/
[09:07] <bassboi> i like it
[09:07] <bassboi> maxxx eyecandy
[09:08] <CostaRicanQuaker> bassboi: will it slow down my computer like it did on gnome and kde or will it actually work on xubuntu considring the lightness of xubuntu
[09:09] <bassboi> OS: WinXP Professional 5.1 SP2 (Build #2600) CPU: Intel Pentium 4 , 3.00 GHz, 0KB Video: ATI Radeon XPRESS 200 Series (1024x768x32bpp 70Hz) Sound: Realtek HD Audio output Memory: Used: 251/447MB Uptime: 4h 36m 2s HD: Free: 87.85 GB/298.09 GB Connection: Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC - Packet Scheduler Miniport @ 100.0 Mbps (Rec: 179.15MB Sent: 8.10MB)
[09:09] <bassboi> runs it fine
[09:09] <bassboi> sorry for all the messyness
[09:09] <bassboi> point bein, 512MB RAM and onboard graphics
[09:10] <CostaRicanQuaker> oh
[09:10] <bassboi> what you got?
[09:10] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i check from the terminal?
[09:12] <bassboi> lshw
[09:12] <bassboi> i think you need to apt-get it
[09:12] <bassboi> but it shows me what i need
[09:12] <bassboi> hey will u be here in about 10min or so?
[09:12] <bassboi> im on windows
[09:12] <bassboi> i wanna go back to xubuntu
[09:12] <bassboi> gotta reboot
[09:12] <CostaRicanQuaker> mb
[09:12] <bassboi> k
[09:12] <bassboi> sec
[09:18] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i take a screenshot?
[09:19] <eshat> Hi all, i want to remove the shutdown button in the shutdown windows, where can i change that ?
[09:27] <bassboi> ok
[09:28] <bassboi> sorry for the wait
[09:28] <bassboi> didn't realize firewall was being dumb
[09:30] <CostaRicanQuaker> firewall? i heard firewalls weren't necesary on *buntu considering it doesn't come with any default openportds
[09:31] <bassboi> ah
[09:31] <bassboi> my PC was sitting on open DSL last night
[09:31] <bassboi> i got kinda worried since it wasn't behind a router
[09:32] <CostaRicanQuaker> is there something similar to alt ctrl del on windows to terminate a process here on xubuntu?
[09:33] <bassboi> never heard of anything bro
[09:37] <bassboi> where can i find autostarted applications in xubuntu.. it's not in applications>settings
[09:38] <AlexCONRAD> CostaRicanQuaker: Applications > System > System Monitor ?
[09:42] <bassboi> i was thinking that, but wasn't entirely sure if that was the right thing
[09:43] <AlexCONRAD> bassboi: Applications > Settings > Setting manager
[09:44] <bassboi> bah
[09:44] <bassboi> i looked there twice
[09:44] <bassboi> it's the first one
[09:44]  * bassboi slaps self
[09:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> question, i jsut switched from windows
[09:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> received the kubuntu cds from shipit
[09:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> installed it and got rid of windowws
[09:48] <AlexCONRAD> CostaRicanQuaker: :)
[09:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> now, lts means that i don't have to or shouldn't get the next set of releases until the new lts comes out
[09:48] <CostaRicanQuaker> and hterefore i won't need to upgrade to intrepid ibex when it comes out
[09:49] <AlexCONRAD> CostaRicanQuaker: what does "lts" mean ?
[09:49] <bassboi> long time support
[09:49] <AlexCONRAD> ah, right
[09:49] <bassboi> that means that until the date... i think it's in 2011 or something
[09:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> what does that imply?
[09:49] <bassboi> you get software updates
[09:49] <AlexCONRAD> CostaRicanQuaker: LTS means you'll get software update until 2011
[09:49] <bassboi> you can upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 on the fly
[09:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> so i don't need to order more cds from shipit everytime theres a release?
[09:50] <bassboi> nope
[09:50] <AlexCONRAD> although, I'm not sure if this concerns *all* packages... it might only be security updates only when hardy come obselete
[09:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> instead i'm encouraged to keep hardy till ?
[09:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> 2011*
[09:50] <bassboi> agreed AlexCONRAD
[09:51] <bassboi> Well, when the next release comes out, you'll have the option to upgrade to that one
[09:51] <TheSheep> security upgrades and backports
[09:51] <bassboi> wont ya?
[09:52] <AlexCONRAD> CostaRicanQuaker: I'm just curious, why did you get CDs ? Is your download link too slow ?
[09:52] <bassboi> I was wondering the same
[09:52] <CostaRicanQuaker> i spent 10 cdrs on images that were apparently well hashed and then i burnt them, checkd them for errors and they were corrupted
[09:52] <CostaRicanQuaker> from torrents, servers, nothing worked
[09:53] <AlexCONRAD> CostaRicanQuaker: this probably due to your burning software or CD drive
[09:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> i used nero
[09:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> i don't know
[09:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> burner always seemed to work
[09:54]  * CostaRicanQuaker shrugs
[09:55] <AlexCONRAD> CostaRicanQuaker: did you check the checksum before burning ?
[09:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> yes
[09:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> they all seemed fine
[09:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> will xubuntu eventually be available from shipit?
[09:57] <AlexCONRAD> Strange then. It happened to me a couple of time to have a wrongly burnt CD. But I just reburn it again, and it just works...
[09:59] <AlexCONRAD> you don't have to download the file from multiple locations everytime a CD failed. If you're sure the checksum is correct, then the image is fine and your download was not corrupted.
[09:59] <AlexCONRAD> maybe try an other brand of CDs. I don't know...
[10:00]  * CostaRicanQuaker loves xubuntu
[10:00] <CostaRicanQuaker> the only thing i would like to be able to change is
[10:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> "Network" to "internet" on the apps menu
[10:03] <AlexCONRAD> CostaRicanQuaker: you'd like to rename the menu entry "Network" to "internet" ?
[10:04] <CostaRicanQuaker> yes
[10:04] <CostaRicanQuaker> i don't see how as i couldn't find the option
[10:04] <AlexCONRAD> CostaRicanQuaker: I don't know how this could be done actually
[10:05] <CostaRicanQuaker> hmmm i wonder
[10:06] <AlexCONRAD> CostaRicanQuaker: My guess is that applications are being installed in menu entry names in a hardcoded way. Meaning that if you find out how to rename the entry, and want to install a new application that normally lives under "Network", it will recreate that entry.
[10:07] <CostaRicanQuaker> explain again
[10:07] <AlexCONRAD> CostaRicanQuaker: Under windows, each application creates its own entry in the "start" menu during installation.
[10:08] <AlexCONRAD> CostaRicanQuaker: under xubuntu, application create their entry under a specific entry of the menu
[10:09] <CostaRicanQuaker> so if say i knew code
[10:09] <CostaRicanQuaker> and found a way to write it so that network would be internet like on kde and gnome
[10:09] <CostaRicanQuaker> things would automatically go in there as theyre suposed to
[10:09] <CostaRicanQuaker> is that wha tyou mean?
[10:09] <AlexCONRAD> CostaRicanQuaker: so if you find a way to rename "Network" to "Internet", chances are that future application that you might install which normally lives under "Network", won't find the entry an create it automaticly. Again, that's just a guess as I never played with that really.
[10:10] <CostaRicanQuaker> oh
[10:10] <AlexCONRAD> that's just my 2 cents
[10:11] <AlexCONRAD> i might be wrong though
[10:12] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i get a clock on my desktop
[10:12] <AlexCONRAD> nevertheless, if you figure out how to rename that menu entry, you'll learn by your self by experimenting
[10:12] <CostaRicanQuaker> i've seen that but i don't see that option when i click on the watch properties
[10:12] <AlexCONRAD> CostaRicanQuaker: as a widget ?
[10:13] <CostaRicanQuaker> widget=?
[10:13] <AlexCONRAD> widget = buzz word, look it up :)
[10:14] <ere4si> adesklets , gdesklets , screenlets for a clock
[10:14] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i check if i have it already installed?
[10:16] <AlexCONRAD> CostaRicanQuaker: you can use "synaptic", its a package manager
[10:20] <CostaRicanQuaker> it says i wont be able to run it as admin
[10:21] <CostaRicanQuaker> ebastian@sebastian:~$ sudo adept
[10:21] <CostaRicanQuaker> [sudo] password for sebastian:
[10:21] <CostaRicanQuaker> sudo: adept: command not found
[10:21] <CostaRicanQuaker> [5]+  Stopped                 sudo adept
[10:21] <CostaRicanQuaker> sebastian@sebastian:~$
[10:22] <AlexCONRAD> CostaRicanQuaker: what's adept ?
[10:22] <CostaRicanQuaker> synaptic on kde
[10:22] <AlexCONRAD> CostaRicanQuaker: then it might not be installed
[10:23] <AlexCONRAD> you must install it first
[10:23] <CostaRicanQuaker> it is
[10:23] <AlexCONRAD> apt-get install adept
[10:23] <CostaRicanQuaker> i just figured out how to open synaptic as root though
[10:23] <AlexCONRAD> (prepend sudo)
[10:23] <CostaRicanQuaker> looking for adesklets
[10:24] <AlexCONRAD> a neat command line tool is the "search" option of "aptitude", which is a package manager just as apt-get
[10:24] <AlexCONRAD> aptitude search adept
[10:24] <AlexCONRAD> aptitude search adesklets
[10:25] <CostaRicanQuaker> intstalling it with synaptic
[10:25] <CostaRicanQuaker> next will be finding...gdesklets
[10:27] <CostaRicanQuaker> setting the clock won't recquire a huge amount of memory right?
[10:28] <CostaRicanQuaker> i'm 248mb
[10:28] <CostaRicanQuaker> on*
[10:31] <bassboi> there we go
[10:33] <AlexCONRAD> CostaRicanQuaker: you'll figure it out your self :)
[10:33] <CostaRicanQuaker> bassboi: i just finished gettind gdesklets, screenlets, and adesklets, how do i set a clock on my desktop now?
[10:34] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok
[10:34] <bassboi> never messed with that
[10:35] <bassboi> seems like my PC is reaching almost it's limit with compiz fusion
[10:35] <bassboi> runs hella quick with just xfce
[10:35] <bassboi> but when i activate compiz, it's quite responsive, but the effects kind of jitter
[10:36] <bassboi> and sometimes theres none
[10:36] <AlexCONRAD> I have a customized xubuntu installation, I'm only using 80 megs of ram when it boots up
[10:40] <bassboi> very nice
[10:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> AlexCONRAD: how do i do that?
[10:51] <AlexCONRAD> CostaRicanQuaker: well, I've created a modified CD of xubuntu, which has a customized preseed install process that I can choose during the boot menu. That preseed lists the packages I want installed only.
[10:51] <AlexCONRAD> CostaRicanQuaker: so the installation goes pretty fast as I'm installing fewer packages than the default
[10:52] <AlexCONRAD> and only install what I need. It's pretty minimalist
[10:52] <CostaRicanQuaker> what packages are those?
[10:52] <AlexCONRAD> and this is not for full desktop usage experience
[10:52] <CostaRicanQuaker> whats it for?
[10:54] <AlexCONRAD> set-top-box
[10:54] <AlexCONRAD> build-essential gdm xfonts-base xserver-xorg libgl1-mesa-dri xfce4-session xfwm4 xfdesktop4 xfce4-panel xfce4-terminal xfce4-mcs-plugins xfce4-mcs-plugins-extra xfce4-mcs-plugins-extra gtk2-engines-murrine tango-icon-theme ttf-dejavu-core dmz-cursor-theme xubuntu-default-settings thunar thunar-archive-plugin file-roller gnome-system-tools gnome-system-monitor network-manager
[10:55] <AlexCONRAD> these are the packages I install (which of course installs their dependencies)
[10:56] <AlexCONRAD> Under my "Applications", I only have Settings, Accessories, Network, System entries.
[10:56] <AlexCONRAD> Each entry has very few applications
[10:57] <CostaRicanQuaker> oh well, it's 4 am., i better go to bed
[10:57] <CostaRicanQuaker> laters
[10:57] <AlexCONRAD> :)
[11:14] <bassboi> sonovabitch
[11:15] <bassboi> i think i could convert a windows user
[11:15] <TheSheep> don't
[11:17] <bassboi> i dont think i will
[11:17] <bassboi> i had to repair their windows install
[11:17] <bassboi> too much stuff on startup
[11:36] <bassboi> samba won't install for me
[12:37] <AlexJP> hey, what is the reliability of xubuntu?
[12:37] <TheSheep> no guarantees
[12:38] <AlexJP> my uptime so far is about 12 hours i think, is there some way i can tell?
[12:39] <TheSheep> uname -a
[12:39] <TheSheep> no, sorry
[12:39] <TheSheep> uptime
[12:40] <TheSheep>  13:40:37 up 55 days, 22:34,  4 users,  load average: 4.81, 4.11, 3.86
[12:40] <TheSheep> I guess it's time to upgrade kernel :)
[13:08] <AlexJP> lol
[13:08] <AlexJP> uptime
[13:09] <AlexJP> hmm, i dont get it, is it because im using xchat?
[13:14] <AlexJP> -a
[13:17] <AlexJP> thats better
[13:17] <AlexJP> why does it say 2 users when im the only user?
[13:28] <TheSheep> AlexJP: it counts all virtual terminals
[13:28] <TheSheep> AlexJP: the command 'who' will display all users and their terminals
[13:31] <AlexJP> TheSheep thanks
[14:04] <AlexJP> is there anyway to recover my old windows data from a hdd which now has linux installed
[14:05] <maxamillion> AlexJP: it *might* be possible, but i can't promise much
[14:06] <maxamillion> AlexJP: let me get you a link to some documentation on the tool, it is available through the repositories
[14:07] <maxamillion> AlexJP: but you will need to be very careful when reading the documentation and don't jump the gun on using the application (i did the first time i used it and ended up losing all my data forever, but i have since then used it and recovered plenty of data)
[14:07] <maxamillion> AlexJP: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk and http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec
[14:08] <maxamillion> AlexJP: i believe the package name is photorec and the package includes both applications
[14:16] <AlexJP> ok, and itll be able to recover data from the ntfs ?
[14:16] <AlexJP> even though i reparted it to ext3??
[14:35] <AlexCONRAD> darn, I'm having a hardtime to make my ATI card to work
[14:35] <AlexCONRAD> glxinfo | grep "direct rendering" returns "no"
[14:35] <AlexCONRAD> I'm using the "ati" driver in xorg.conf
[15:09] <maxamillion> AlexCONRAD: i think you need fglrx instead of ati
[15:09] <AlexCONRAD> maxamillion: that's the proprietary version, right ?
[15:10] <maxamillion> AlexCONRAD: yes, but as far as i know that is the only way to get direct rendering right now
[15:10] <AlexCONRAD> maxamillion: aah ok
[15:10] <maxamillion> i don't think the open source driver can do 3d accelerations
[15:10] <maxamillion> acceleration*
[15:10] <AlexCONRAD> maxamillion: i think I read it does, only limited
[15:10] <maxamillion> ah
[15:10] <maxamillion> well that's good, atleast they are working towards it
[15:11] <AlexCONRAD> or maybe it's the radeonhd drivers
[15:11] <AlexJP> hey, i have just installed conpwiz and lost all my decs
[15:11] <AlexJP> anyone help ?
[15:12] <AlexJP> wow, motion blur is working though :-D
[15:54] <AlexJP> can anyone help me with compiz ?
[15:57] <cody-somerville> AlexJP, whats wrong?
[16:01] <AlexJP> all my window decorations have gone
[16:01] <AlexJP> and i cant use the desktop cube thing
[16:01] <AlexJP> it only has two sides
[16:02] <AlexJP> front and back, its flat instead of 3d, like a sheet of paper, i can flip it round but there is only 2 sides
[16:10] <AlexJP> cody-somerville any ideas?
[16:10] <cody-somerville> presss alt + f2
[16:11] <cody-somerville> and run: compiz --replace
[16:14] <AlexJP> still no decorations
[16:14] <AlexJP> do you think i would be better of using ubuntu ?
[16:14] <cody-somerville> AlexJP, How would I know that? :)
[16:29] <kwagga> Hi Guys!
[16:29] <kwagga> Would someone please be so kind as to help this n00b.... ;)
[16:30] <kwagga> My Xubuntu display is way too big... I think its 1050 or higher
[16:30] <kwagga> and my laptop is 1280x800.. yet I cant change this..
[16:30] <kwagga> not even in xorg.conf... its has default values, unlike from what I know in ubuntu...
[16:32] <kwagga> anyone? please guys
[16:33] <cody-somerville> Hi
[16:33] <cody-somerville> Applications > Settings > Settings Manager > Display
[16:34] <kwagga> Yay! Thanks for answerung cody-somerville!
[16:34] <kwagga> But...
[16:34] <kwagga> nope... it only has "default"
[16:34] <kwagga> no other options..
[16:34] <cody-somerville> Okay
[16:34] <cody-somerville> run sud dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[16:34] <cody-somerville> erm
[16:34] <cody-somerville> sudo
[16:35] <kwagga> tried it
[16:35] <kwagga> nowhere does it ask about display..
[16:35] <kwagga> and -phigh also didnt help
[16:36] <kwagga> I'm downloading the alternative iso... hopefully it will help?
[16:36] <kwagga> I think it's running in vesa mode....
[16:36] <kwagga> but the AGP is VIA Chrome...
[16:36] <kwagga> (which I have never got to work with any *nix distro)
[16:37] <cody-somerville> kwagga, what version are you running?
[16:37] <kwagga> xubuntu 8.04
[16:38] <kwagga> X86
[16:38] <kwagga> desktop ed
[16:38] <cody-somerville> okay
[16:38] <cody-somerville> and your video card is what?
[16:38] <kwagga> with ubuntu 8.04 everything work very well....
[16:39] <kwagga> the video card is a VIA Chrome IGP (onboard)
[16:40] <kwagga> but I'm using the default settings that xubuntu added automatically
[16:41] <kwagga> paste.ubuntu.com/29015
[16:41] <kwagga> thats the xorg.conf
[16:42] <kwagga> maybe you guys can tell me how to NOT get it to add default, non-adjustable values
[16:42] <cody-somerville> kwagga, we don't really use xconf.org anymore
[16:43] <kwagga> what does xubuntu use?
[16:43] <kwagga> sorry... I'm used to ubuntu... this is my second day trying to get xubuntu to work...
[16:43] <cody-somerville> kwagga, anyhow, can you give me the output of this command? grep drivers /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:43] <kwagga> sure , holf on
[16:43] <kwagga> *hold on
[16:43] <cody-somerville> kwagga, we use the same stuff. And if your resolution worked on Ubuntu it should work fine on Xubuntu
[16:45] <kwagga> paste.ubuntu.com/29017
[16:46] <kwagga> Thats the strange thing.... in ubuntu... it detected the native 1280x800... and all was fine... come xubuntu... and its taken the resolution so high.... half of the screen is cut off... (the right side)...
[16:47] <kwagga> If you guys can get this right... then whenever you guys come to RSA.... I owe you a couple of beers...
[16:47] <kwagga> ;)
[16:49] <kwagga> *holding thumbs for some good news*
[16:52] <kwagga> anything?
[16:59] <kwagga> :-/
[17:01] <kwagga> cody-somerville, any idea on what could be the problem?
[17:02] <cody-somerville> kwagga, You say it works in Ubuntu?
[17:02] <kwagga> yeah....
[17:03] <kwagga> at first it didnt look to good... but there was a option for widescreens.. and then the alternate resolutions came up.... and then I selected 1280x800 for 15
[17:03] <kwagga> 15.4 inch LCD's...
[17:04] <kwagga> cody-somerville, need any other info?
[17:11] <kwagga> cody-somerville, you are too quiet for my liking ;) Do you see anything wrong?
[17:11] <cody-somerville> kwagga, maybe you can try displayconfig-gtk
[17:12] <kwagga> lemme try
[17:13] <kwagga> paste.ubuntu/29024
[17:13] <kwagga> no luck :(
[17:13] <kwagga> paste.ubuntu/29024
[17:13] <kwagga> http://paste.ubuntu.com/29024/
[17:13] <kwagga> sorry
[17:16] <kwagga> anything?
[17:18] <cody-somerville> Just keep frigging around with displayconfig-gtk
[17:23] <kwagga> I'm not following....
[17:23] <kwagga> lol
[17:38] <kwagga>  cody-somerville, anything?
[17:40] <cody-somerville> kwagga, install ubuntu-desktop
[17:40] <cody-somerville> and then confgiure it in ubuntu
[17:40] <kwagga> geez..... *sigh*.... alright
[17:41] <kwagga> is there no other way?
[17:41] <kwagga> perhaps with the alternate install disc?
[17:42] <cody-somerville> You should be able to change your resolution in applications > settings > settings manager > display
[17:43] <kwagga> nope... it only has "default"
[17:43] <kwagga> installing ubuntu now..
[17:44] <kwagga> alright, once ubuntu is installed, I run apt-get install xfce?
[17:44] <kwagga> then how do I activate it all?
[17:57] <PsynoKhi0> Ok, I'm kind of confused here... exactly what sound system ships with xubuntu hardy?
[17:58] <kwagga> pulseaudio?
[17:58] <kwagga> yeah
[17:58] <PsynoKhi0> andyou really mean xubuntu, not just vanilla ubuntu?
[17:59] <kwagga> yes
[18:01] <TheSheep> plain xubuntu uses plain alsa
[18:01] <kwagga> really?
[18:01] <kwagga> I was told its pulse
[18:01] <kwagga> my bad
[18:01] <kwagga> sorry
[18:01] <PsynoKhi0> np you're just as confused as I am :P
[18:02] <kwagga> lol... seems like it...
[18:02] <PsynoKhi0> the xubuntu homepage DOES state the RC ships with pa
[18:02] <TheSheep> ubuntu uses pulse and you can enable pulse in xubuntu
[18:02] <kwagga> ah!
[18:02] <kwagga> :)
[18:02] <TheSheep> but I think it's not enabled by default
[18:03] <TheSheep> or maybe just on sounds cards that don't need it
[18:03] <PsynoKhi0> and I think that sound system mess is the reason for my comp hanging left and right
[18:05] <PsynoKhi0> I have the libpulse0 package installed (fresh hardy) according to synaptic, and that's the only one with "pulse" in it on my system
[18:07] <PsynoKhi0> I have a soundblaster 32 AWE ISA that requires a module to be loaded up separately, in /etc/modules
[18:07] <PsynoKhi0> commenting out the corresponding line seems to cure the system freezes
[18:09] <PsynoKhi0> for some reason I get sound without the alsa audio settings manager service being on
[18:10] <TheSheep> libpulse is not pulseaudio yet, it's just support for it for applications, pulaseaudio needs a daemon running to work
[18:11] <glitsj16> PsynoKhi0: that's normal behaviour, the manager controls saving of mixer status etc. nothing else
[18:11] <PsynoKhi0> ok
[18:12] <PsynoKhi0> can you guys come up with something that changed from gutsy to hardy, as far as sound is concerned?
[18:12] <PsynoKhi0> I thought PA was to blame at first but since it's not even there...
[18:15] <glitsj16> PsynoKhi0: besides drivers i for one don't know what changed from gutsy --> hardy, and pulseaudio works just fine once you have it configured properly .. what are your issues exactly ? no sound in some apps ? flash hijacking sound or anything ?
[18:15] <PsynoKhi0> system hang
[18:16] <glitsj16> i see .. anything relevant in the logs ?
[18:18] <PsynoKhi0> it hangs playing media files, game such as openarena and wesnoth, I managed to have it hang while opening a java applet, and after a while even in pidgin... today I tried starting openarena without the snd_sbawe module loaded, and it played merry go happy for like 15 minutes, as opposed to hanging when loading a map
[18:19] <glitsj16> i guess you tried re-activating the alsa audio setitngs manager service to check if the issue is still there ? just taking a stab in the dark, but ALSA might be trying to restart or die gracefully after a sound conflict and isn't able to by lack of that ..
[18:20] <PsynoKhi0> logs... not dmesg, Xorg.0.log has one error: "TDFX(0) DRIUnlock called when not logged"
[18:20] <PsynoKhi0> glitsj16: tried both withand without the audio settings manager
[18:21] <glitsj16> okay, always hard to debug these randon issues .. the Xorg error would be graphics related no ?
[18:21] <PsynoKhi0> googling for that Xorg error returned one thing that I already knew, swithcing resolution in game makes the game crash
[18:22] <glitsj16> :) one less thing
[18:22] <PsynoKhi0> but in my case I can't even play so heh
[18:23] <PsynoKhi0> brb gonna try something
[18:23] <glitsj16> okay, goodluck
[18:24] <PsynoKhi0> thanks, I'm alrady out of luck though, I'll see if there's something in the miracle department
[18:24] <glitsj16> lol
[19:02] <PsynoKhi0> alright, as long as I don't have snd_sbawe in /etc/modules, compy's doing fine or at least fairs much better
[19:22] <wersdfxcv> I'm looking to pull the kernel/related things off of the liveCD for use in another distro, could anyone help with what exactly I will probably need? vmlinuz, vmlinux, initrd, /lib/modules/$kernelversion ...............?
[19:23] <zoredache> wersdfxcv: it would probably be easier to simple get the linux-image from the repositories
[19:24] <wersdfxcv> zoredache: well my usual distro isn't debian-based.. I just need a 64-bit kernel for my 32-bit distro, as I have a 64-bit cpu with 8g of memory that isn't being recognized
[19:25] <wersdfxcv> so I thought maybe "generating" the kernel from a liveCD might maybe possibly work :P
[19:26] <zoredache> you should be able to get dpkg on other distros.  If you can't there are directions somewhere about how to open up a .deb archive without dpkg or anythign else
[19:26] <PsynoKhi0> have you consideres tarting from a net install?
[19:27] <PsynoKhi0> considered*
[19:27] <wersdfxcv> well, part of the thing I was looking for was the helpful "autodetect hardware" I'd get from a liveCD :)
[19:28] <wersdfxcv> I suppose I could just get and tweak the kernel source or something but I was looking for a lazy way out
[19:28] <zoredache> the autodetection is more then just the kernel... you would probably also need udev and several other things
[19:29] <wersdfxcv> the only problem with my kernel is that it's not accessing
[19:29] <wersdfxcv> oops... all of my ram
[19:30] <wersdfxcv> all the other aspects of the filesystem like udev and things, are all fine
[19:30] <PsynoKhi0> wersdfxcv: google for "script comine iso" and yes, WITH the typo on combine, could point you towards the files you need
[19:30] <zoredache> a 32 bit OS cannot have more then 4gb of ram...  At least not without some performance killing hacks
[19:30] <wersdfxcv> zoredache: yeah but by OS you mean kernel, I think
[19:30] <wersdfxcv> PsynoKhi0: ok haha
[19:31]  * zoredache shrugs
[19:31] <PsynoKhi0> some guy on the ubuntu forums/fora came up with a script to shove several small isos on one disk
[19:32] <PsynoKhi0> he copies kernel and filesystem to temporary folders afaik, might be what you need
[19:32] <wersdfxcv> the problem with the 64bit distros is that there ends up being so much cross-contamination of /lib64 and /usr/lib64 and /lib and /usr/lib .... that the 64bit part of it is just not really worth it, EXCEPT for accessing the 8g of ram
[19:32] <PsynoKhi0> better idea
[19:32] <PsynoKhi0> give me your excess ram
[19:33] <wersdfxcv> ha no I'd like to use it with blender and lives, thank you though :)
[19:33] <PsynoKhi0> I'll happily help you with that burden
[19:33] <PsynoKhi0> darn
[19:33] <PsynoKhi0> so much for philanthropy
[19:33] <wersdfxcv> it's dirt cheap anyhow
[19:33] <PsynoKhi0> am dirtier and cheaper
[19:33] <wersdfxcv> ha
[19:33] <zoredache> if some of those libraries aren't complied for 64bit I find it difficult to believe that you would be able to actually use any of the ram even if you got the kernel to recognize it
[19:34] <wersdfxcv> zoredache: well, that's an interesting point. but I believe it will make a difference, as even morrowind in wine slowed to a near-halt when I switched back to 32bit from some half-failed 64bit distros
[19:34] <wersdfxcv> it was speedy as hell in slamd64 and some others
[19:34] <wersdfxcv> even though wine is a 32-bit application
[19:39] <glitsj16> wersdfxcv: LiVES works by converting every video frame into a separate JPEG image file .. that'll always be a performance hog .. or has this changed recently ?
[19:45] <wersdfxcv> glitsj16: not sure, and true that I haven't tried lives often enough (usually couldn't get it installed on the 64distros) to make a case study, but I imagine (and am frequently wrong) rendering will be aided by +5 gigs or so, which the 32bit kernel is not allowing for.. not to mention the realtime effects, etc
[19:46] <wersdfxcv> and in the rendering case, there's many video/audio codecs that lives can use
[19:47] <glitsj16> wersdfxcv: yes codec support seemed fine last time i used it, it takes quite the effort to experiment with all the possible candidates out there for video editing
[19:48] <wersdfxcv> indeed... lives, once I got it working (woo zenwalk), is just totally amazing.
[19:51] <xaer0> hellos
[19:59] <maxamillion> hi hi
[20:03] <AlexJP> hey maxamillion
[20:16] <AlexJP> maxamillion thanks for those links, im just running photorec
[20:16] <AlexJP> maxamillion seems to be recovering loads
[20:25] <Aliksy> Hi. Question here.  I downloaded because I have an older computer with windows ME on it and I thought I'd try xubuntu on it.  When I go to burn the image to disk, it says "The entered block size does not correspond to the image length.  The block size may be wrong."  Do I want to hit 'correct' or 'ignore' on that?
[20:25] <Aliksy> I downloaded xubuntu-6.06.1-desktop-i386.iso , that is. *
[20:26] <jessejazza> why not try one of the more up todate versions
[20:26] <Aliksy> which one's more up to date?
[20:27] <jessejazza> current one 8.04... previous 7.10
[20:27] <zoredache> Aliksy: did you check the md5 sums of the file you downloaded?
[20:27] <jessejazza> i've never bothered doing that... what exactly do you do?
[20:27] <Aliksy> zoredache: no.  A bit newbie-ish at this. How would one do that?
[20:28] <zoredache> !md5 | Aliksy
[20:28] <Aliksy> Huh. Why did I get 6.06.. I'll download 8.04 then
[20:28] <Valsum> good choice :)
[20:29] <maxamillion> 6.06 was an *awesome* release ... but horribly outdated now
[20:29] <Aliksy> Wait, no, I did download xubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso.  I don't know how I pasted the wrong thing into here.
[20:29] <wersdfxcv> people are always talking about updating and outdating like it's some kind of freakin arms-race
[20:29] <Valsum> ^_^
[20:29] <Aliksy> Watch as I make a fabulous good impression!  I promise I'm not completely inept!
[20:29] <wersdfxcv> jeez, you DON'T need to upgrade if things are working fine. unless it's a security thing
[20:30] <wersdfxcv> case and point kde4 :D er um...
[20:30] <zoredache> wersdfxcv: it is... if you don't keep your network client software (web browsers) up to date bad things could happen
[20:30] <zoredache> same with servers and some other things
[20:31] <wersdfxcv> well that's one thing, but people I've noticed especially in the *ubuntu/debian arena tend to always upgrade if there's any little upgrade available
[20:32] <jessejazza> that's is the drawback with linux. you don't need to upgrade but it is quite fast moving so it is worth it. alternatively you can compile certain apps you want but... might as well upgrade to latest release. I keep all working files on a remote drive
[20:32] <wersdfxcv> like audacity, taking out (at least in synaptic's build of it) soundtouch :(
[20:32] <maxamillion> synaptic is crap
[20:32] <Valsum> I tend to trust in that an update will be even better
[20:32] <Aliksy> So anyway.  My purpose for all of this is to put xubuntu on an older machine I have that currently has windows ME.  My dad uses it, and he keeps installing crap ("it says it'll make it run faster!").  I think the thing is on its last legs.  Is it going to be a relatively painless process to put xubuntu on it and make some sort of limited account for him to use?
[20:32] <wersdfxcv> Valsum: not always the case, at all, I've noticed
[20:32]  * Valsum nods
[20:32] <Valsum> but still, I tend to trust :)
[20:32] <jessejazza> what's wrong with synaptic?
[20:33] <maxamillion> Aliksy: yes, after you install everything and make the administrative account, make your dad another account as a regular user ... he will have full freedom to use the machine, just won't have enough power to hurt himself
[20:33] <wersdfxcv> the people upstream in the buntu world seem to be pretty trustworthy in that regard, so it's probably safe :)
[20:33] <Valsum> no offense Aliksy but Windows ME is the worst OS ever :P
[20:33] <jessejazza> better than avast on suse. Most of the time now i use aptitude!
[20:33] <maxamillion> jessejazza: its horribly obfuscated
[20:33] <jessejazza> avast - sorry yast!
[20:33] <wersdfxcv> whaaat.. it's easy as heck1
[20:33] <Aliksy> Valsum: I know.  Only redeeming quality was that it could run System Shock2 when XP couldn't
[20:33]  * Valsum nods :)
[20:34] <maxamillion> jessejazza: have you used yast on opensuse11? it *owns* synaptic in the face
[20:34] <wersdfxcv> I don't like not being able to configure stuff... and it makes me feel bad if I install something from source, or want to install something another thing depends on
[20:34] <wersdfxcv> "WHAT ARE YOU THINKING UNINSTALL THAT RIGHT NOW SIR"
[20:34] <jessejazza> max...: No i must admit. I used suse 10.3 and then decided to go back to ubuntu
[20:36] <jessejazza> i prefer debian package management. lots of things in suse are very good. wish ubuntu desktop was improved a bit... suse is great and a nice green
[20:36] <Aliksy> maxamillion: Ok, cool.  I've only used ubuntu before, and only for a few hours.  Hopefully I'm smart enough to do this without breaking anything.
[20:36] <maxamillion> jessejazza: yes, opensuse 10.3 was a pain and its package manager was horribly slow ... but now zypper (the yast back end) is faster than apt because they rewrote it from the ground up with an extremely elegant boolean logistics algorithm
[20:37] <maxamillion> Aliksy: i think you are, you should be able to just go to system->users and groups and then add the user account through the GUI
[20:39] <jessejazza> on suse 10.3 i used smart... which was pretty good. allegedly they had teething problems with it but that was sorted. i must say i like command line for package management. try aptitude... that's what i use. the interface isn't so good but it is a high level package manager
[20:39] <Aliksy> Uh.  Why does it say "Enter User Password: " when the system boots up with the xubuntu disk in?
[20:40] <maxamillion> Aliksy: no idea
[20:40] <Valsum> maybe BIOS password to boot from CD?
[20:40] <jessejazza> max'm: why do you use xubuntu?
[20:40] <Aliksy> Valsum: Huh. Maybe.  Hm.  I wonder if I can remember a password I set 8 years ago. [swearing]
[20:41] <maxamillion> jessejazza: i've used aptitude, its good but i enjoy running debian sid and aptitude attempts to be "too smart" and ends up doing so much dependency checking it shoots itself in the foot because of how fast the development branch changes
[20:41] <maxamillion> jessejazza: i don't use xubuntu anymore actually
[20:41] <maxamillion> jessejazza: i used to be a developer
[20:41] <Valsum> Aliksy: it's the only explanation that came up here...maybe it's something else
[20:42] <maxamillion> jessejazza: but i didn't get along with the old project leader so i left, but now the new project leader is a friend of mine and i have been trying to find time to help out with the project again ... but between work and school i lack free time
[20:42] <Aliksy> If I can't remember that password, am I boned?
[20:42] <wersdfxcv> are you installing xubuntu for the first time?
[20:43] <wersdfxcv> oh, wait, is it the BIOS password? ... if it is, that might suck
[20:43] <jessejazza> max'm: i tried xubuntu and it was quite good on a slow machine which is what it is designed for. i tried kubuntu as well but settled with ubuntu. i think they put more effort into ubuntu
[20:43] <maxamillion> Aliksy: depends ... i don't know what password prompt you are getting
[20:43] <wersdfxcv> if it's just xubuntu it might only want you to hit enter
[20:43] <maxamillion> jessejazza: well ubuntu is the distro with the money behind it, both kubuntu and xubuntu are products of volunteer efforts and nothing else
[20:44] <Aliksy> I used to have a bios password on here when it was my primary computer.  Kept people from messing with it too much.  Didn't look like quite the same prompt, though.  Maybe if I hit 'install inside windows' ?
[20:45] <maxamillion> wait ... what?
[20:45] <jessejazza> max'm: ah so that's the histroy behind it... i have wondered. kubuntu v xubuntu and i'd say xubuntu has less problems. I used konsole the other day and it crashed somehow.. first time i've had a pron
[20:45] <jessejazza> pron = problem... typing awol this evening
[20:45] <PsynoKhi0> is hardy not supposed to work on i586 architectures?
[20:45] <jessejazza> in a year
[20:46] <zoredache> PsynoKhi0: define work
[20:46] <Aliksy> hm. just hitting enter didn't do anything.  This is unfortunate.
[20:46] <zoredache> PsynoKhi0: I suspect you can get a cli or server system to work on a 386 with sufficient ram...
[20:46] <Aliksy> If I select "install inside windows" from that autoplay menu, wonder if it would bypass this password prompt.
[20:48] <Valsum> Aliksy: guess you can try it...either that, or you restart the BIOS -which I've never done-
[20:48] <jessejazza> max'm: as your a developer could you refer me to a good link to learn about compiling. i wanted to compile vym 1.10.0 from the 8.04 repo before Xmas and didn't get far.
[20:48] <maxamillion> jessejazza: kubuntu has a lot of issues but a decent number of their issues are due to the complexity of KDE ... where as with xubtunu using XFCE, its a much more modular, more simplisticly design piece of software and makes for much easier development and management
[20:52] <Aliksy> ...the heck.  It won't even go into the bios setup.  Lousy thing.
[20:53] <maxamillion> xfce also has a more clean interface ... but that's just my opinion
[20:53] <maxamillion> some people prefer the "gloss" of kde
[20:55] <wersdfxcv> you shouldn't have to go into the BIOS to boot from a CD
[20:56] <maxamillion> on older machines you might
[20:56] <wersdfxcv> though my friend had to eventually give up trying to install linux because her stupid computer and stupid support seemed to have no way of actually booting from anything but the harddisk!! ridiculous! f10, f12, almost every key on the keyboard tried during bootup :P
[20:57] <maxamillion> there's a tool on the net somewhere that can force your computer to boot to something that it doesn't support booting from, does some sort of I/O redirect
[20:57] <maxamillion> can't really remember the name of the tool right now though :/
[21:00] <Aliksy> Hm.  Think I got it to boot from the disk
[21:00] <Aliksy> I did. I may have broken windows, though.
[21:01] <Valsum> now you can't look behind :)
[21:02] <Aliksy> Wonder if System Shock2 will work in xubuntu
[21:03] <Aliksy> Hm. Little progress bar thing going back and forth.  How long's it supposed to do that?
[21:03] <Valsum> not much
[21:03] <Aliksy> Watched pot never boils, I guess.
[21:03] <Valsum> if machine is very old, maybe 1-2 min
[21:04] <Aliksy> it's a p3 866mhz 256mb ram
[21:04] <Valsum> should do well
[21:04] <Aliksy> Hey, a desktop. Whee.
[21:05] <wersdfxcv> isn't it perty
[21:05] <Valsum> :)
[21:05] <wersdfxcv> xfce is my favorite, though fluxbox is a close 2nd
[21:05] <Aliksy> So far it's just the wallpaper
[21:05] <Aliksy> oh, here's a box.
[21:05] <maxamillion> openbox > fluxbox
[21:05] <maxamillion> :D
[21:05] <wersdfxcv> fluxbox's ~/.fluxbox/keys file and /menu file are so nice
[21:05] <wersdfxcv> I haven't tried openbox yet!
[21:06] <wersdfxcv> is it really super
[21:06] <wersdfxcv> i'll try it now
[21:13] <maxamillion> i like it bettery, i think its got a cleaner interface and has a more logical window placement algorithm
[21:13] <maxamillion> and it doesn't have the annoying slit
[21:13] <Aliksy> Hm.  The partition thing suggested a split of the HD, and I selected "guided," and it said "Too small space" when I hit okay.
[21:15] <Aliksy> Not sure what I should do..
[21:15] <zoredache> how big is your hard drive?
[21:16] <Aliksy> 28 gigs, apparently
[21:16] <zoredache> and how much free space do you have?
[21:16] <wersdfxcv> you say "apparently" do you know it to be larger than that?
[21:16] <Aliksy> it suggested 74% for windows (21gigs) and 26% 7 gigs for linux
[21:16] <wersdfxcv> probably you're looking for 100% linux :)
[21:16] <Aliksy> 28 gigs sounds right.  It's been like 6 years since I've used this computer
[21:17] <Aliksy> Not counting fixing things my dad broke
[21:17] <zoredache> you might need run a defrag in windows
[21:17] <Aliksy> I, uh, don't know if I can get back into windows
[21:18] <Aliksy> I was going to ask if it mattered that the hard drive hasn't been defragmented in quite some time
[21:18] <Aliksy> if I tell it to use the whole disk, does that erase everything on it forever?
[21:18] <PsynoKhi0> it might
[21:18] <zoredache> yes
[21:18] <Aliksy> Hm.
[21:18] <PsynoKhi0> I mean it might be problematic if it's too fragmented
[21:18] <wersdfxcv> if you were concerned, you could reboot and check if you can get back into windows
[21:19] <PsynoKhi0> Aliksy: do you need to recover stuff from your windos files?
[21:19] <PsynoKhi0> windows*
[21:19] <Aliksy> The only things I can think of that I want to keep are old games
[21:19] <wersdfxcv> what I'd recommend: rebooting back into windows now that you know you CAN install xubuntu. backing up everything (shame on you if you haven't already done this, actually) that you want to keep, and then installing linux 100% because there's basically nothing you do with windows that can't be done in linux.
[21:20] <wersdfxcv> Aliksy: for windows emulation, you have "wine" and "dosemu" and of course plenty of nes/snes/n64/............. emulators :P
[21:20] <PsynoKhi0> WINE = Wine IS Not Emulation
[21:21] <wersdfxcv> the latter which aren't windows emulation like the beginning of the sentence was leading you to believe the sentence was all about but yeah you get it
[21:21] <Aliksy> Maybe I should ask my dad if there's anything he put on here that he wants to keep
[21:21] <wersdfxcv> well yeah yeah
[21:21] <PsynoKhi0> and not 100% guaranteed to work ;)
[21:21] <wersdfxcv> Aliksy: that would be a good idea. just burn a couple cds of anything you might even remotely want to keep.
[21:21] <PsynoKhi0> Aliksy: sounds wise
[21:21] <wersdfxcv> also true, but there are enough native linux things to cover the gaps of things that don't work with wine :P
[21:22] <Aliksy> Is there a proper "shut down" procedure I should do from here, or can I just hit the reset button?
[21:22] <wersdfxcv> probably a little powerish looking thing in some corner
[21:22] <PsynoKhi0> Aliksy: I'd do the following if I were you: get System Rescue CD
[21:22] <wersdfxcv> brings up a dialog like "wanna power down, reset, log out or wut"
[21:22] <Aliksy> Only thing on the screen is the "Install" window. Maybe if I hit cancel on that first
[21:23] <wersdfxcv> it should be like a bar, like horizontal on the top of the screen or something
[21:23] <PsynoKhi0> top right corner
[21:23] <Aliksy> Yeah, that wasn't present.  I hit cancel and now it's... booting from the cd, live-disk style, I think
[21:23] <Aliksy> I think?  Background turned blue.  Yeah, there's that top bar thing
[21:24] <wersdfxcv> oh right, ever helpful *buntus :P
[21:24]  * wersdfxcv is a zenwalk fan meself :D
[21:25] <PsynoKhi0> what file system does your windows partition use?
[21:25] <Aliksy> windows me default is... fat32 I think?
[21:25] <wersdfxcv> just back up the essentials and kill it :P
[21:25] <Aliksy> Am I not going to be able to see what's on the hard drive from here?
[21:25] <wersdfxcv> easiest way is to reboot into windows
[21:25] <PsynoKhi0> ouch Win ME... yep you can only benefit from the switch to linux
[21:27] <PsynoKhi0> good question, it's been a while since I last used  fat32...
[21:27] <PsynoKhi0> as I said, using System Rescue LiveCD first might be wiser
[21:27] <Aliksy> PsynoKhi0: What's that?
[21:28] <PsynoKhi0> a Live CD that will let you play around with partitions and files regardless of file system
[21:29] <PsynoKhi0> so you can check youf winME files, backup what you see fit on a separate partition, wipe windows and install xubuntu
[21:30] <Aliksy> Ehh.  Dad says he doesn't need anything that can't be reacquired easily, but he wants to use the computer now-ish. Let's try 100% linux, I guess.
[21:30] <PsynoKhi0> ok hehe
[21:31] <PsynoKhi0> I'd suggest 3 partitions still
[21:31] <Aliksy> 3?
[21:31] <PsynoKhi0> one for the root system (mount point /), primary partition
[21:32] <PsynoKhi0> one for the /home folder (think personal esttings and My Documents from windows)
[21:32] <PsynoKhi0> as a logical partiton
[21:32] <PsynoKhi0> and one for swap, primary partition
[21:33] <PsynoKhi0> that way, if your comp goes loopy and requires a reinstall you keep all your personal stuff
[21:33] <PsynoKhi0> how much ram do you have?
[21:33] <Aliksy> 256 mb
[21:33] <PsynoKhi0> yeah so a swap is pretty much a given
[21:34] <Aliksy> I moved most of my personal stuff off that computer when I got this one.  I won't cry too much if my epic level baldur's gate characters get erased
[21:35] <PsynoKhi0> hehe
[21:35] <Aliksy> To do what you're saying I would need to stop installing xubuntu now, download and burn that live cd, and then get that to work, yes?
[21:35] <PsynoKhi0> no not anymore
[21:35] <PsynoKhi0> installing xubuntu now will be fine if you don't need to recover anything
[21:35] <Aliksy> ok, cool
[21:36] <PsynoKhi0> but
[21:36] <Aliksy> you said 'but' after I hit 'forward.'  I hope this isn't a bad butt.
[21:37] <PsynoKhi0> I'd check the BIOS first, to make sure "PnP OS" and "BIOS virus detection" or whatever they're called are set as no
[21:38] <Aliksy> PnP OS.. plug and play, not "pen and paper."  I'm pretty sure they were set to no.  What happens if they're not?
[21:39] <PsynoKhi0> linux might not boot
[21:39] <Aliksy> Oh.  That's bad.
[21:39] <wersdfxcv> I loved when I got an external drive finally to keep everything on, and got to blaze through stuff I knew nothing about and KERNEL PANIC'd and randomly canceled installations to see how far it got or whatever, because nothing would be permanently hurt
[21:39] <wersdfxcv> oh, you fear-monger you... I've never heard of that happening
[21:39] <PsynoKhi0> also, what do you mean your father wants to use the computer "nowish"?
[21:40] <Aliksy> He wanted to play his online chess that he plays all the time.  I told him this might take an hour
[21:40] <wersdfxcv> haha. especially with 256M of ram, yeesh! :P
[21:42] <Aliksy> Some people visit places on vacation. Some go fishing.  My dad plays internet chess.
[21:42] <PsynoKhi0> heheh
[22:09] <Aliksy> install complete.  now it's restarting.  Hopefully things will work smoothly.
[22:15] <maxamillion> Aliksy: i've got my fingers crossed for you
[22:15] <wersdfxcv> good lucks
[22:16] <wersdfxcv> I am heading across the street to mail a check. may both of our journeys be fruitful and productive. godspeed on our quests.
[22:16] <wersdfxcv> brb
[22:17] <Aliksy> Seems to be working
[22:21] <Aliksy> Hm.  No defaults for what things open with?
[22:24] <TheSheep> Aliksy: right-click on a file and you can select there
[22:24] <Aliksy> ok
[22:24] <Aliksy> Trying to setup my dad's chess program
[22:27] <Aliksy> Does this come with java set up already?
[22:28] <maxamillion> Aliksy: no, i don't believe so
[22:29] <Aliksy> nor flash, looks like. Ok.  How.. uh... do I do that in xubuntu, here?
[22:29] <maxamillion> Aliksy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[22:29] <maxamillion> Aliksy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FlashPlayerStandalone
[22:30]  * maxamillion feels dirty for having gone back there .... >.>
[22:30] <Aliksy> too bad i can't copy and paste from one computer to the other
[22:34] <PsynoKhi0> Aliksy: I think the easiest
[22:34] <PsynoKhi0> is, to first install the package called xubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:35] <Aliksy> how do I do that? (newbie aura)
[22:35] <PsynoKhi0> that should be available from Applications > System > Add/Remove
[22:36] <PsynoKhi0> type resttricted extras in the search field
[22:36] <PsynoKhi0> you should get all the stuff that can't be shipped on the CDs for legal mumbo jumbo reasons
[22:36] <Aliksy> it's currently downloading some updates or something because there was a big red exclamation point that seemed important
[22:37] <PsynoKhi0> ok
[22:38] <Aliksy> is my dad going to be able to get internet radio like he had with winamp? he's whining.
[22:39] <cody-somerville> Yes.
[22:39] <PsynoKhi0> yes you can
[22:39] <Aliksy> I'm almost certain he can, but I don't know what program would be used for that
[22:39] <Aliksy> Don't really do internet radio myself
[22:39] <PsynoKhi0> plugins for firefox
[22:39] <PsynoKhi0> for example
[22:39] <cody-somerville> Aliksy, Applications > System > Add/Remove
[22:39] <PsynoKhi0> don't get too hasty we'll get there in time
[22:40] <cody-somerville> Aliksy, lots of software in there to download :)
[22:40] <Aliksy> It's about 60% done with installing these updates
[22:43] <PsynoKhi0> ok gonna crash test that comp *puts helmet on, takes a deep breath*
[22:43] <Aliksy> restart required.  PsynoKhi0- good luck
[22:44] <Aliksy> Hm.  Should I be concerned if some stuff said "failed" real fast during that bootup sequence?
[22:46] <Aquina> yes
[22:46] <Aquina> ceck out your logs.
[22:46] <Aliksy> how so?
[22:48] <Aquina> enter "sudo nano /log/var/syslog" and read everything from...
[22:49] <Aquina> ..."Jul 21 22:49:58 TRON kernel: Inspecting /boot/System.map-2.6.24-xx-generic"
[22:50] <Aquina> after that about 10 lines with BIOS and hex stuff occours.
[22:50] <Aliksy> how do I get a command prompt?
[22:51] <bassboi> um
[22:51] <bassboi> i think it's the 1st or 2nd one after u click applications... "Terminal"
[22:51] <bassboi> not sure
[22:51] <bassboi> tryin to move my data from windows to xubuntu right now
[22:51] <Aquina> Read carefully from then on.
[22:51] <Aliksy> settings, accessories, games, graphics, multimedia, network, office, system
[22:51] <Aquina> Search for everything like "WARNING" and "failed".
[22:52] <Aquina> run --> enter: "xterm"
[22:53] <Aquina> or use a filebrowser and open /log/var/syslog by hand with an editor.
[22:53] <bassboi> i think it could be in settings, the terminal
[22:53] <Aquina> It's virtually the same
[22:53] <bassboi> yup
[22:54] <Aliksy> Don't see terminal under settings submenu..
[22:54] <bassboi> Aquina, would ya know how to safely resize linux partitions?
[22:54] <bassboi> because i installed it on my 250gb hdd with only a 4gb boot and 2gb swap
[22:54] <bassboi> :(
[22:55] <PsynoKhi1> ...
[22:56] <Aliksy> failed to reset NO_REBOOT flag, reboot disabled by hardware
[22:56] <Aliksy> Don't see anything else about failing in here
[22:56] <Aliksy> Mildly disconcerting that I can't find 'terminal.'  Is there a keyboard shortcut for it?
[22:56] <TheSheep> xfce4-terminal
[22:56] <TheSheep> you can start it with alt+f2
[22:56] <TheSheep> and typing the name
[22:57] <TheSheep> or set the shortcut in keyboard settings
[22:58] <Aliksy> PsynoKhi0 - it was Ubuntu Restricted Extras I should add?
[22:58] <PsynoKhi1> xubuntu restricted extras if you're runnin xubuntu
[22:58] <Aliksy> I don't see that one.  Ubuntu and Kubuntu
[22:59] <PsynoKhi1> hang on
[23:00]  * bassboi hangs
[23:01]  * Aliksy hangs as well.
[23:01] <Aliksy> Hm.  That's not a good sign
[23:02] <PsynoKhi0> I was crash testing the computer, that locked my nick for a while :)
[23:02] <Aliksy> ah
[23:03] <Aliksy> So... there's only 2 things that a search for 'restricted' brings up.  ubuntu and kubuntu restricted.
[23:04] <PsynoKhi0> yes wait please...
[23:04] <bassboi> i wonder what'll happen if i unplug my IDE cable
[23:04] <Aliksy> Sorry. My dad's getting antsy. I'll try not to pass that on. haha
[23:05] <bassboi> damn, i get a webpage to develop
[23:07] <Aliksy> snack run, back in a few minuted
[23:07] <PsynoKhi0> Aliksy: ok for some reason they don't appear in the Add/Remove list... close that one and choose "Synaptic package manager" instead
[23:08] <PsynoKhi0> then serach for xubuntu-restricted-extras there
[23:08] <PsynoKhi0> search*
[23:10] <PsynoKhi0> *and in the meantime, Hardy's still being a b**ch with my sound card if anyone cares...*
[23:27] <Aliksy> Ok. Downloading that package
[23:34] <PsynoKhi0> Has anyone had issues installing icewm? it keeps failing with error 2
[23:38] <Aliksy> If I want the little volume control thingy by the clock, is that something I find in the add/remove packages thing?
[23:38] <PsynoKhi0> it should be there already
[23:39] <PsynoKhi0> if not, right click on hte panel, add element
[23:40] <Aliksy> Aha. Thanks
[23:40] <PsynoKhi0> np
[23:41] <Aliksy> if I log out and log back in, does it 'remember' what windows and things I had open?
[23:42] <PsynoKhi0> yes unles you tick off "Save session" when logging out
[23:43] <Aliksy> I don't want it to remember things like that.  Where's the 'save session' thing to uncheck, in the 'quit' box?
[23:43] <PsynoKhi0> yes
[23:43] <Aliksy> And I got the chess program to work, and my seat at the xubuntu machine has been usurped
[23:43] <Aliksy> Thank you very much, though
[23:43] <PsynoKhi0> you're welcome
[23:43] <PsynoKhi0> enjoy your computer's new life
[23:44] <Aliksy> oh.  one thing- how do I make a shortcut?
[23:44] <PsynoKhi0> if I were you I'd install Firestarter from Add/Remove, so as to easily setup your firewall
[23:44] <PsynoKhi0> shortcut to what?
[23:45] <Aliksy> My dad doesn't want to have to open the folder w/ the program. He wants a thing to click on directly on the desktop
[23:45] <Aliksy> in windows I think they're .lnk and have a little arrow in the corner of the icon
[23:46] <PsynoKhi0> if it's a program, right-click on the desktop and add a launcher (or add it to the pnael like you did for the volume control)
[23:47] <Aliksy> Aha
[23:49] <wersdfxcv> also install "xaos" and make fractals for hours and hours and hours and hours and hours!!! :D
[23:49] <Aliksy> Where 'should' I put application folders?  Not on the desktop, maybe?
[23:49] <Aliksy> Haha, i've played with xaos before.  My desktop background here is a pretty pretty fractal
[23:49] <wersdfxcv> niiice
[23:57] <Aliksy> How do I make a "shortcut" that will run a short terminal command?
[23:57] <Aliksy> This 'scrabble' game he has requires you to do "java -jar wordbiz.jar" to run it
[23:58] <PsynoKhi0> as I said, create a launcher
[23:58] <PsynoKhi0> there should be a command field in there
[23:59] <Aliksy> I tried that
[23:59] <Aliksy> I got the launcher for the chess game to work
[23:59] <Aliksy> Maybe I typed something wrong for the scrabble one..