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apacheloggerhttp://apachelog.blogspot.com/2008/07/light-years-ago-work-on-oxygen-theme.html00:00
JontheEchidnacool00:01
JontheEchidnawell that satisfies cmake00:02
JontheEchidnaand no ftbfs either00:02
JontheEchidnaEvery file is in it's place00:02
JontheEchidnaand I remembered to use proper cdbs ;)00:02
apacheloggeroh00:02
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: did you run list-missing?00:02
JontheEchidnayup00:02
JontheEchidnaa few new .so's00:03
apacheloggerokay00:03
JontheEchidnaOk, I think this backport is ready00:03
* JontheEchidna feels nixternal's beta1 packaging pain00:03
apacheloggerwe just need better management00:05
apachelogger...ensuring better load distribution00:06
* JontheEchidna wonders where the diff.gz for ~hardy1~ppa1 is...00:06
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: ../ ;P00:07
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: plugins ppa3 uploaded00:07
JontheEchidnacool00:07
JontheEchidnaI see a ~hardy1~ppa1 tar.gz, but not a diff.gz00:08
JontheEchidnaoh00:10
JontheEchidnaI forgot to rename the orig.tar.gz with the -kde4-ness00:10
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: sent kdeutils00:11
* JontheEchidna misses Firefox 3's awesomebar :(00:12
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: how're things going with the Soyuz people and the ppa loop of death?00:13
JontheEchidnabtw, 2 sleepless nights can't be healthy00:14
JontheEchidnawut00:49
JontheEchidnaI made sure konq-plugins buitl...00:49
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: loop is waiting for fix00:49
* JontheEchidna ballmers out and throws a chair00:49
JontheEchidnaOtherwise I wouldn't have been able to have these debs I am currently using00:50
JontheEchidnahmm, fails here too00:59
* JontheEchidna wonders how the heck he was able to build it00:59
apacheloggeroioi01:18
vorianwerd01:22
vorianok, settling in behind my keyboard01:22
vorianapachelogger: can I get away with patching that desktop file?01:23
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: lolol, forgot to change it to Hardy in the changelog01:24
JontheEchidna(konq-plugins)01:25
JontheEchidnatoday's just not my day I guess01:25
* vorian hands JontheEchidna some redbull01:26
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: sent ppa401:29
JontheEchidnaHeh, a package has been pending on amd64 for 2 hours01:34
JontheEchidnaA suggestion on the website:01:39
JontheEchidnahttp://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download01:39
JontheEchidnaI'd make the box long enough so it doesn't need a scrollbar01:39
JontheEchidnaI almost missed the alternate CD checkbox01:39
JontheEchidnaryanakca: ^01:40
vorianJontheEchidna: ok, going to start on koffice2 again01:47
JontheEchidnacool01:48
vorianhad to work on a few odd's n in's01:48
vorianJontheEchidna: do you have a list of plasmoids that need to be packaged?01:49
JontheEchidnahrm01:49
voriani need one for my menteee01:49
JontheEchidnathere are a few that I didn't do01:50
JontheEchidnahttp://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Qalculate?content=8461801:50
JontheEchidnahttp://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Tea+Cooker?content=85564\01:50
JontheEchidnahttp://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Tea+Cooker?content=8556401:50
vorianexcellent01:50
JontheEchidnaoops @ backslash01:50
JontheEchidnaoh, and this: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Simple+monitor?content=8493301:51
* Daskreech wants Dali clock plasmoids for KDE 4 :)01:52
ryanakcaJontheEchidna: do you have js enabled?01:55
JontheEchidnaryanakca: yup01:55
JontheEchidnaKonqueror 4.0.98, if you'd like to know01:55
ryanakcaJontheEchidna: what browser?01:55
JontheEchidnaheh01:55
ryanakcaah, ok, thanks01:55
ryanakcaJontheEchidna: I'll debug it with Matt Newzum (our download page is an iframe since we can't have any PHP blurbs on our site, it's an iframe pointing to a page on ubuntu.com)01:59
ryanakcaJontheEchidna: could you file a bug under the kubuntu-website project on LP please? :)02:02
JontheEchidnaryanakca: I'll keep it in mind02:07
* JontheEchidna has to go for a bit02:07
ryanakcaJontheEchidna: enjoy :)02:08
jtechidnaHeh: http://ezapmagic.com/macpclinuxbsd_realtruth.jpg02:47
jtechidnaryanakca: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website/+filebug02:48
jtechidnaIt says the website doesn't use LP for bugs02:48
Daskreechjtechidna: I want the first car!!!02:49
jtechidna:P02:49
ryanakcajtechidna: *grumble*02:50
ryanakcajtechidna: I'll get it sorted out, thanks ;)02:52
jtechidna;)02:52
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JontheEchidnavorian: If koffice2 FTBFS just pastebin it somewhere and poke me, and I'll look at it tomorrow03:05
vorianroger03:12
\shapachelogger: now07:25
Arbymorning08:24
Riddellmorning Arby09:48
raphinkhello Riddell09:51
Riddellsalut raphink09:56
raphinkça va Riddell?09:59
Wubbbijtechidna: why do you changed your name?10:13
Wubbbi*did10:13
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\shapachelogger: now I'm following you...10:50
\shapachelogger: the changes to pykde4 are again not in the package...the link to pykdeuic4 is missing10:51
Riddellraphink: oh oui, ca va, et toi?11:04
raphinkbien merci :)11:04
raphinkhi \sh11:04
raphinkthanks for the linkedin note11:05
\shraphink: welcome :)11:06
raphink\sh thanks ;)11:07
raphinkare you going to the FAI conf this year \sh ?11:07
\shraphink: nope...I'm really packed with a lot of work @company, and I have a lot to do for Leonov...but I'm going to FrOSCon in St. Augustin, near cologne/bonn in august...11:08
raphinknice11:08
raphink:)11:09
\shraphink: but I have a FAI integration on my IT backlog @company :) so I think that I need to go to the next FAI dev meeting next year or so :)11:10
raphinkhehe ok11:10
\shraphink: are you going?11:10
raphinkno11:10
raphinknot this year11:10
raphinkI'm not much on FAI lately anyway11:10
raphinkI've spent more time on augeas lately11:11
raphink:)11:11
\shraphink: hehe...but if you are in the area of strassbourgh , just give me a call, we can meet up...I'm just 1 hour away from this nice city :)11:12
raphinkwell not really, I'm on the Riviera11:12
raphinkI'm more likely to go to Italy than Germany ;)11:13
\shraphink: ok...I need to find time to leave home for some holidays near the italian or french riviera :)11:14
raphinkhehe11:14
raphink:)11:14
raphinkcall me if you're around ;)11:14
\shoh crap...I forgot to upload ia32-libs11:14
* \sh needs to deal with it this evening...11:14
raphinkgood luck ;)11:15
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apachelogger\sh: I really don't think company should be an instance variable in this case :P11:32
apachelogger\sh: maybe we can get decent kdebindings for 4.1.011:49
apacheloggerotherwise it's only 6 months to 4.2.0 ;-)11:49
\shapachelogger: the problem with this bug is, that's essential for devs to use pykde4...12:39
\shapachelogger: as long we have the fixes in our debian/rules dir and in debian/patches...just apply them..12:39
* apachelogger didn't do the backport12:39
\shapachelogger: I'll write a mail to sime and ask him what he can do about that...12:39
apachelogger\sh: tagging is today, so not much for 4.1.012:40
apacheloggerI am building a snapshot right now12:40
apacheloggerhuh12:41
apacheloggerkubuntu_01_pykde4_dl_fix.diff12:41
apacheloggergot applied12:41
\shapachelogger: please add our changes ,-)12:41
apachelogger\o/12:41
* smarter waves12:56
* Wubbbi waves back12:57
* Wubbbi want to fix some bugs, but he cant :/12:58
nixternalmornin13:00
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JontheEchidnaWow, looks like my computer couldn't stay connected last night13:03
WubbbiJontheEchidna: do you nerver shutdown you computer? oO13:03
JontheEchidnanot unless I have to13:04
Wubbbihmm. I always go in Standby ... that better for my Video-Card :D13:05
Wubbbiand my energy bill xD13:05
JontheEchidnaIt changed nanmes when I disconnect and reconnect before my ghost pings out13:09
* apachelogger patches kdebindings to heaven13:29
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: btw, apparently you dropped one of \sh's precious kdebindings fixes13:29
apachelogger[11:51:38] <\sh> apachelogger: the changes to pykde4 are again not in the package...the link to pykdeuic4 is missing13:29
apacheloggerthe .links file I would say13:30
JontheEchidnaI just saw the bug report13:40
JontheEchidnabut /me has to go for a bit13:40
JontheEchidnaOh, also I think I got a dependency wrong13:43
* JontheEchidna is back13:43
* Wubbbi waves13:44
JontheEchidnalibsmokeqt2 instead of libsmokeqt4-213:44
Riddelllibsmoke compiles?13:48
JontheEchidnaIt was in the dependencies of kdebindings-kde4 in INtrepid13:49
JontheEchidnathough it seems commented out at the same time...13:49
Riddellyeah it doesn't compile currently13:51
Riddell"apachelogger patches kdebindings to heaven" suggests harald is working on it13:52
JontheEchidnaHeh13:52
JontheEchidnaWell I'll have to fix the depends in the KDE4 ppa anyway13:52
apacheloggerXand3r: hey, what's the status of digikam?13:53
Xand3rapachelogger: i had no toime up to now, sorry, the week end i wasnt at home and the rest of the ttime i learnd for the "teorie prüfung" for my driving license13:54
Xand3rsorry man13:54
JontheEchidnaBTW, 4.1 final gets tagged today. ^_^13:56
Riddellqt 4.4.1 out as well I expect13:57
RiddellI'd be happy if we could get livefs images that actually built13:57
JontheEchidnaHopefully that will fix some of the more annoying bugs13:58
JontheEchidnalike scrolling up on things like konsole and add widgets13:58
* JontheEchidna thinks that was a Qt bug13:58
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: what is the issue there?14:00
JontheEchidnaWhen you scroll back up through either of those you get a crapload of artifacts14:00
JontheEchidnagenerally the bottom gets repainted with stuff from the top14:01
JontheEchidnato reproduce: open "Add Widgets"14:01
JontheEchidnascroll all the way down14:01
JontheEchidnathen scroll back up using the scrollbar14:01
JontheEchidnahuh, it's working now...14:02
apacheloggerwell14:02
apacheloggerlast time I checked it was said that this is a driver/X11 issue rather than Qt/Oxygen14:02
JontheEchidnaoh14:02
apacheloggerRiddell: I think I got smoke compiling again14:03
JontheEchidnaonly happens with composite on14:03
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: should I send over the new kde4bindings~hardy1 with fixed deps or wait for patch goodness?14:07
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I dunno whether the patch goodness will work for rc1 ;-)14:07
JontheEchidnaheh14:08
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: make sure pykde is working again and send it over14:08
JontheEchidnaok14:08
Xand3rapachelogger: i working now on digikam, sorry for delay, it will take some time cause the build log is lost and now i have to rebuild it14:11
JontheEchidnavorian: so, did koffice2 build? :D14:11
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Riddellapachelogger: ooh?!14:12
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apacheloggerXand3r: not having time isn't a a crime ... or maybe it is ;-)14:12
apacheloggerXand3r: just make sure you inform someone14:13
apacheloggerthen we can redistribute the work14:13
Xand3rapachelogger: sorry14:13
apacheloggerRiddell: the qtuitools target_link_libraries uses a wrong order of libs apparently14:14
apacheloggerpreparing the package for 4.1.0 now14:14
* JontheEchidna doesn't see 4.1.0 in the stable dir @ kde ftp14:19
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: tagging is today14:20
apacheloggeractually, you said that yesterday :P14:20
JontheEchidnaso how can you prepare the packaging if it's not out yet?14:21
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I got myself an svn snapshot14:21
JontheEchidnaaaah, smart14:21
apacheloggercould it actually be 'a svn'?14:22
apacheloggerone could read that 'a subversion snapshot'14:22
JontheEchidnaheh14:22
apacheloggerbut also 'an ES VE EN snapshot'14:22
JontheEchidnaa snapshot of the current KDE svn repository14:22
apacheloggerhm14:23
apacheloggerdoesn't that mean I have a snapshot of the complete repository?14:23
Nightrose*from the14:23
Nightrose?14:23
apacheloggerwell14:23
apacheloggerthat could mean the svn repo generated the snapshot ;-)14:23
Nightrosehehe14:24
JontheEchidnascrew english :P14:25
* Wubbbi is going back to Reallive :/ I have Fear :(14:27
Riddellwell, kde4.mk added to cdbs but cdbs won't compile because it has a dependency in universe so yet another MIR we're waiting on15:01
apacheloggerRiddell: can we replace kdebindings with kde4bindings?15:02
Riddellapachelogger: you mean rename it back to kdebindings?15:03
apacheloggeryes15:03
Riddellapachelogger: I'd rather stick with what debian calls it, which is kde4bindings15:04
Riddellalso apt-cache rdepends python-kde3 isn't empty15:04
apacheloggerwell, at least for rubyqt one can't install the kde3 and kde4 version anyway15:04
apacheloggerdpkg: error processing libqt4-ruby1.8_4.0.98+svn835791-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--install):15:05
apachelogger trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/rbqtapi', which is also in package libqt0-ruby1.815:05
smarterapachelogger: "bzcat ../somesoftware-$${version}.tar.bz2 | gzip -9fn -c - > \"15:21
smarterapachelogger: you should have checked the debian/rules before uploading amarok-kde4 :P15:21
apacheloggervery true15:22
apacheloggerbut it works nonetheless :P15:22
smarterI'm packaging it for medibuntu(mp4 support added)15:23
apacheloggerso15:23
Riddella second amarok-kde4 package?15:23
apacheloggerwhy does the offical package not have mp4?15:24
smarterpatents stuff15:24
apacheloggerwe have that lib for reading in the repo, don't we?15:24
smarteryou can enable it by adding libmp4v2-dev to the build-deps15:24
Riddellisn't that a xine/gstreamer issue?15:24
apacheloggerRiddell: playback works15:24
apacheloggerbut tag reading doesn't15:24
smarteryep15:24
Riddellisn't that a taglib issue?15:25
apacheloggertaglib doesn't have a mp4 plugin IIRC15:25
smarterit works with *some* mp4/aac/m4a/whatever, but mpeg4  has tons of audio codecs15:25
apacheloggerthat's why amarok ships one15:25
WubbbiIs it Possible to set this http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/New+sysinfo+1.0?content=85668 Sysinfo as the default in Kubuntu? Its much better :)15:26
apacheloggerFilename: pool/multiverse/m/mpeg4ip/libmp4v2-dev_1.6dfsg-0.2ubuntu1_i386.deb15:26
smartermmh, multiverse15:26
apacheloggerRiddell: we could create a amarok-pluign-mp4 package and move that to multiverse, right?15:26
Riddellyep15:27
smarterthen we would need to orig.tar.gz15:27
smarters/to/two15:27
apacheloggersmarter: why?15:27
apacheloggerbinaries can be sorted seperatly15:27
apacheloggerso amarok goes main, amarok-plugin-mp4 goes multiverse amarok-service-mp3tunes goes universe15:28
smarterthat would be cool15:28
smarterand same for amarok215:28
Riddellamarok can't build-dep on something in multiverse15:28
apacheloggeroh15:28
apacheloggerhm15:29
Wubbbiapachelogger: but than add amarok-plugin-mp4 to "Kubuntu restriced extras" ;)15:29
smarteramarok source in multiverse, amarok binary in  main, and amarok-stuff in universe/multiverse?15:29
apacheloggerwe could strip the taglib pluign and make it a seperate source package15:29
smarteror provide an easy way to install Medibuntu :)15:29
apacheloggerIMO medibuntu is a workaround15:30
* apachelogger hates workarounds15:30
smarterbut the only easy way to have DVD support15:30
apacheloggersmarter: the only easy way to have DVD support is to sue15:31
smarter:p15:31
apacheloggerthen again the definition of justice is a quite strange one in the USA15:31
Wubbbiyes ... just because of the USA. They have licents Problems -.-15:31
apacheloggerso that would suggest one of us become president of the USA15:31
smarterlibdvdcss is illegal in France too, since 1 year15:31
WubbbiCan me make a Eurobuntu and USAbuntu? ^^15:31
Wubbbijoke :P15:32
Wubbbiapachelogger: is it illegal in germany?15:32
smarteror we could find a desert island and create ubuntuland (:15:32
WubbbiWell what ever i use it ^^15:32
apacheloggerWubbbi: it is in most of europe15:32
apacheloggerlibdvdcss is technically breaking an encryption15:32
apacheloggerand that is usually quite illegal15:32
RiddellEU Copyright directive saw to that :(15:33
Wubbbiapachelogger: but thats the only way to watch ( most ) Dvds ... And when i buy a DVD I want to watch it!15:33
apacheloggerwell15:33
WubbbiThats crazy15:33
apacheloggeryou don't _have to_15:33
Wubbbi-.-15:33
smarterWubbi: there's a proprietary linux dvd player which is not illegal: lindvd, but it sucks15:33
apacheloggerthat is like you go to a super expensive restaurant and complain that you have to wear a suite15:34
Wubbbismarter: tztztz -.- THE EU is doing some disable things, but they dont fix that problem -.-15:34
Wubbbiapachelogger: yes but why is this Technology default? Its unfair to Linux! -.-15:35
Riddellwelcome to the world of international freedom fighters15:36
WubbbiRiddell: ACK!15:36
apacheloggerWubbbi: because it became default15:36
apacheloggernone foces you to buy a DVD just like none forces you to buy a blueray :P15:36
apacheloggerthat is the essential part of free markets15:37
Riddelldvdcss is quite the opposite of free markets, it's deliberately restricting the free market15:37
apacheloggeryou don't need to buy one specifc produc, but if everyone does and makes that product monopoly-like rule the market they define the rules not the consumer15:37
apacheloggerRiddell: well, a free money-driven market ;-)15:38
Wubbbiapachelogger: yes but when I love the Film of the DVD I will buy THIS DVD and not something else ;)15:38
apacheloggerWubbbi: you want to play Age of Empires - you buy the PC version - buy a PC with Windows - use Windows15:39
apacheloggereverything ends up in supporting a certain market share ;-)15:39
Wubbbiapachelogger: And Windows is the winner ;) xD15:40
WubbbiI have played Age of Empires 2 for a long time ... but on a Linux PC :P ( Wine we love you :D )15:42
apacheloggerwell, bill gets some of the money from windows, gives it to his foundation, which is buying more drugs, causing shortage of those, therefore the pharmaceutical industry raises the prices, making it more difficult for you to buy your monthly HIV drugs and therefore you can't buy AoE4, so you don't need a new pc, no new windows, MS doesn't get any money, neither does Bill, neither does his foundation....15:44
apacheloggereconomy is the most insane thing ever ;-)15:44
WubbbiYes but doesn't I buy the licens by buying the dvd?15:45
apacheloggernope15:45
apacheloggerthe dvd doesn't decrypt itself15:46
apacheloggerthe dvd player does15:46
apacheloggerthus the produce of the player needs to buy the license15:46
Wubbbistrange xD15:47
apacheloggerhm15:47
apacheloggeractually15:47
WubbbiI have to pay for a Tecnology that i dont want to have :/15:47
apacheloggerI think you buy the license15:48
apacheloggerthe dvd producer needed to encrypt the content15:48
apacheloggerthe process of encryption is probably patented ... so ;-)15:49
apacheloggerand actually the encryption itself should be patented as well15:49
WubbbiI hate patents -.-15:49
apacheloggerso you buy a DVD and get at least for patent licenses I guess15:49
apacheloggerfour15:49
apacheloggerthe dvd cover, the dvd itself, the dvd encryption process and the dvd encryption itself15:50
Riddellbuying the DVD video doesn't give you a licence for anything15:50
apacheloggerwell, indirectly15:50
Riddellthe decryption licence comes with the DVD player15:50
Riddelland it's the existance of decryption tools that's the issue, not the decrypting itself I think15:50
WubbbiRiddell: but on Windows, I can play these dvd Out of the Box. And windows is not realy a dvd player ^^15:50
apacheloggerWubbbi: you can't15:51
apacheloggerinstall a plain windows15:51
apacheloggeryou won't be able to play DVD videos15:51
Wubbbiapachelogger: OMG -.- WTF ^^15:51
Riddellwindows media player comes with a decss licence15:51
apacheloggerRiddell: didn't in XP15:52
Riddellright15:52
Riddellthe main requirement to get a decss licence isn't money as I understand it but ensuring you restrict what can be done with the video (i.e can't copy it in any way)15:52
apacheloggerRiddell: bindings is in pretty good shape, I just need to package some mono files15:53
* apachelogger heads off for some coffee15:53
jtechidnaw00t, plasmoid-quickaccess got published15:56
Riddelljtechidna: not yet, it's now in binary new15:57
jtechidnahmm, well it's almost there anyway :P15:57
jtechidnaltonbrettalton16:00
jtechidna 13 hr 29 min ago16:00
jtechidnaMake your default font 'sans-serif' no 'serif'. 'serif' is the default for all Firefox installations.16:00
jtechidnablah16:00
* jtechidna though kate had focus16:00
* jtechidna wonders why crap has been pasting in konversation when other apps have focus16:00
* jtechidna wonders if the digg comment system looks like crap with webkitkde16:01
Riddellit's so we can keep an eye on what you're doing :)16:01
jtechidna:P16:03
Nightroseapachelogger: do you have time to proofread the announcement?16:03
Riddelljtechidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/29331/16:04
Riddellandsong needs space16:04
Riddellalso lines 6 and 7 have an extra space at the start16:04
Riddelljtechidna: shall I reject and let you fix that?16:05
jtechidnasure16:05
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Riddellalso who on earth thought am4rok was a good name?!16:06
WubbbiRiddell: I dont think so. It's hard to search for amarok in Apedt ... because the habe has a number16:08
JontheEchidnaUpstream still thinks amarok is spelled amaroK16:10
JontheEchidna:/16:10
\shNightrose: please book the expenses for gas as "thanks to kde e.v." :)16:10
jpdsRiddell: Are you doing backport requests today?16:12
Riddelljpds: I don't think I'll have time16:13
Riddelljpds: anything paticularly pressing?16:13
jpdsRiddell: Just an irssi-plugin-otr backport.16:13
Riddelljpds: bug num?16:13
jpdsbug #25073516:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 250735 in hardy-backports "Please backport irssi-plugin-otr (0.2-1) from Ubuntu Intrepid to Hardy." [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25073516:14
Nightrose\sh: ? ;-)16:14
Nightrose\sh: this stuff is paid from amarok funds - not by kde eV16:14
devfilhi to all16:18
devfilJontheEchidna: how proceed your work on koffice2? Are you working to update it to alpha9?16:20
JontheEchidnaYep16:20
JontheEchidnavorian's testbuilding since it would take half a day to compile on my computer16:21
devfilJontheEchidna: why you don't use ppa to testbuild?16:21
JontheEchidnahmm, good point16:21
JontheEchidnaoh16:21
JontheEchidnabecause the tarball in 87 MB16:22
JontheEchidnawhich would take me forever to upload wiht my connection16:22
devfilok16:22
Riddellmaybe devfil has a better connection?16:23
devfilyou are doing only testbuild or also the really upload?16:23
devfilRiddell: to upload 90 MB I think my connection will take an hour16:23
JontheEchidnaI'm not an motu so I can't upload it to universe16:23
Riddellunfortunately that's just the nature of koffice, it's big and takes ages to do16:24
Riddell(it's still a fraction of openoffice)16:24
JontheEchidnaheh16:24
devfilJontheEchidna: I'm not a MOTU too16:24
* JontheEchidna thinks he misunderstood your question16:24
Riddellit needs test built, either in PPA or locally?16:26
Riddellthen uploaded to ubuntu16:26
JontheEchidnaright, we just need to make sure it doesn't FTBFS with a wrong file install location16:27
JontheEchidnaotherwise the packaging should be good16:27
Riddellvorian doesn't seem to be around so if devfil wants to do either of those maybe JontheEchidna can send the current packaging his way to do it16:27
JontheEchidnaYeah, I can send the current packaging over16:28
devfilRiddell: I've take a look at it and the merge/upload seems really simple to do16:28
devfilbut I didn't test if dh_install fails or not16:29
JontheEchidnamy package fixes the FTBFS that 1.9.96.8 had and provides a debug package16:30
JontheEchidna+ has new upstream 1.9.96.916:30
Riddelldevfil: so want to take JontheEchidna's packaging and see if it compiles?16:30
JontheEchidnathat's basically what I've done16:30
devfilJontheEchidna: have you also included debian changes?16:31
JontheEchidnanope, I haven't merged16:31
devfilJontheEchidna: the only debian change is16:32
devfil * Remove build depend on libpqxx-dev and postgresql support for kexi16:33
devfil     temporarily.16:33
devfilso maybe shouldn't be included16:33
devfilok all good16:33
RiddellI'm going out for a bit, fell free to sort it out amongst yourselves :)16:33
JontheEchidnadevfil: so what's your email?16:35
JontheEchidnadevfil at ubuntu.com?16:35
devfilJontheEchidna: send it at devidfil@gmail.com16:37
devfilJontheEchidna: have you update the install files for the new version?16:44
JontheEchidnayes16:44
devfilreally good16:44
JontheEchidnawell some of them16:44
* JontheEchidna isn't sure if he got all of it16:44
JontheEchidnaprobably want to check to make sure I didn't miss any16:44
nixternal!nixternal16:45
ubottuOh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!16:45
nixternal!nixternal > nixternal16:46
ubottunixternal, please see my private message16:46
JontheEchidnalol16:46
nixternaltesting my script from outside my home network16:46
JontheEchidnawhat's the pointy-clicky thing about?16:46
nixternalnothing to see here, move along16:46
nixternalask Hobbsee, she made that up about a year ago16:46
JontheEchidnaheh16:46
jpds!-nixternal16:47
ubottunixternal aliases: visternal - added by Hobbsee on 2007-05-31 09:32:53 - last edited by nixternal on 2007-07-20 20:54:4816:47
devfilJontheEchidna: remember in your changelog to use LP: #248829 instead of LP: # 24882916:48
JontheEchidnaoops16:49
Jucato!nixternal16:50
ubottuOh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!16:50
Jucatohm.. first thing I've said in here in a looong time, and it has to be !nixternal :)16:51
devfilJontheEchidna: also maybe you wold to fix all dpkg-source: warning: file debian/kword-kde4.lintian has no final newline (either original or modified version) and lintian warnings/errors...16:53
JontheEchidnaok16:53
devfilI'm uploading the package to PPA16:53
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: doesn't work with the link file17:28
JontheEchidnabash: /usr/bin/pykdeuic4: Permission denied17:28
devfilJontheEchidna: koffice2 uploaded to PPA17:31
JontheEchidnadevfil: what's your LP name?17:31
devfild.filoni17:31
JontheEchidnathx17:32
devfilJontheEchidna: what is koffice-kde4-dbg?17:36
devfilin the control file is only a dep17:36
JontheEchidnadevfil: oops, guess I never finished that17:38
devfilJontheEchidna: I think that koffice-dbg should be renamed koffice-dbg-kde417:39
devfilJontheEchidna:  there is already a koffice-dbg package (in koffice source)17:40
JontheEchidnaOh yeah, i guess koffice2 can't replace koffice yet since it's still alpha...17:40
JontheEchidnaSo um, how exactly do you make a dbg package?17:41
devfilJontheEchidna: this is why there is a koffice source and a koffice2 source in ubuntu17:41
NightroseXand3r: ping17:51
Xand3rNightrose: whats up?17:51
NightroseXand3r: how do i start screenie?17:52
* Nightrose just installed it and can't find it it seems17:52
Xand3rits in th kmenu17:52
Nightrosehmmm not there17:52
Nightroselet me double check17:52
JontheEchidnaNightrose: running kde4?17:53
Xand3rNightrose: you installed screenie-qt17:53
NightroseXand3r: narf - I installed some screen wrapper...17:54
Nightrosewhat is the correct package name?17:54
NightroseJontheEchidna: yea17:54
Xand3rNightrose: screenie-qt17:54
JontheEchidnak, just thought you might need to run kbuildsycoca417:54
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: you will have to chmod +x in debian/rules17:54
apacheloggerNightrose: now I do17:55
Xand3rNightrose: using intrepid?17:55
Nightroseapachelogger: still want to check? it is mostly done17:55
NightroseXand3r: hardy17:55
Nightroseapachelogger: or rather it is done - i just need to put it on ako17:55
Xand3rNightrose: thats the problem it is not in the backports17:55
Nightrosei thought it was :(17:55
Nightroseapachelogger: ^17:55
apacheloggerNightrose: if it makes sense17:55
apacheloggerXand3r: why is it not in backports yet?17:56
Xand3rapachelogger: no admin was interested in i think17:56
apacheloggerXand3r: bug no?17:56
apacheloggertoday is Riddell's archive admin day17:57
Nightroseapachelogger: invited17:57
Xand3rit is tuesday? ah cool17:57
Nightroseapachelogger: please tell me if you edit something so i can change it on ako as well if needed17:58
apacheloggeraye17:58
Xand3rRiddell: hi , could you do me a favor? pleas aply screenie-qt for the hardy backport, thanks17:58
Xand3rapachelogger: in intrepid shuld it be /usr/share/kde4/apps/digikam/ or /usr/share/kde/apps/digikam/ or /usr/share/apps/digikam/18:14
apacheloggerXand3r: depends on the content ;-)18:15
apacheloggerXand3r: why do you bother with that at all?18:15
Xand3rapachelogger: nevermind i have thought too complicated18:18
apacheloggerI thought so ;-)18:18
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: great success with kdebindings now18:19
apachelogger\o/18:19
JontheEchidnabtw, should I comment out the depends on the binary packages that don't build for kdebindings-kde4?18:20
Simeis everything in order w.r.t. kdebindings 4.1?18:20
JontheEchidnaSime: I'm working on it18:20
apacheloggerSime: share/kde4/apps/pykde4/pykdeuic4.py should probably go to bin/pykdeuic418:21
Simesymlink from bin/pykdeuic4 to share/kde4/apps/pykde4/pykdeuic4.py18:22
Simethat is what I wanted/expected18:22
Simeor is that a problem?18:22
apacheloggernope18:22
apacheloggerSime: did you document that somewhere?18:22
* apachelogger didn't read about it ;-)18:22
Simedoesn't cmake do that already?18:23
Simeoh, it doesn't18:24
Simeok, that is left as an exercise for the packager.18:25
* smarter just fixed a really old bug in Adept Installer \o/18:25
apacheloggerSime: something for 4.1.1 maybe?18:25
Simelooks like it18:25
Simestill, a lot of packagers have different ideas about where things should be installed.18:26
smarterhey jpds18:26
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Guest44515sec.18:27
apacheloggerSime: don't care too much about that, a source installation should work perfect and follow the KDE guidelines18:28
jpdshey smarter18:28
apacheloggereverything else is distro specific insanity ;-)18:28
DaskrEEchHow is Adept-kde4 ?18:28
smarterjpds: how is it going?18:29
jpdssmarter: Hot, but not too bad.18:30
smarterbbl18:31
Xand3rapachelogger: i think i have fixed th eproblem with digikam18:36
Xand3rnow testbuilding it18:36
Xand3rzhis willl take sometime18:36
* apachelogger headdesks because of kalyptus18:39
apacheloggerNightrose: you are in delay :P18:40
Nightroseapachelogger: released - i am sending mails now18:40
Nightroseapachelogger: you can copy18:40
* apachelogger copies the package18:40
JontheEchidnawoo! kde4bindings ppa2 is ready18:46
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: sent kde4bindings ppa218:49
JontheEchidnanow with improved bind-iness18:49
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apacheloggerJontheEchidna: you should get yourself some webspace to upload to18:52
apacheloggercomposing the package from a mail is way more work than dgetting it ;-)18:52
JontheEchidnalol18:52
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: you sent the wrong diff.gz of kdeutils18:53
apacheloggerkdeutils_4.0.98-0ubuntu1.diff.gz18:53
JontheEchidnad'oh18:54
JontheEchidnaSo how would you recommend getting webspace?18:54
apachelogger*shrug*18:54
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: you could ask \sh ;-)18:54
JontheEchidnaIs he one of those guys that has a 2TB raid setup in his basement?18:55
apachelogger>2TB I think :P18:55
JontheEchidnaheh18:56
apacheloggerwell, at least he probably knows where to get some space18:56
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: plugins ppa4 uploading18:56
JontheEchidnacoolness18:56
JontheEchidnayou might also consider deleting the plugins packages that were set for Intrepid18:57
JontheEchidnato avoid confusion18:57
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: ubuntu1~hardy < ubuntu118:58
apacheloggerso people with hardy get the ones from the archive anyway18:58
JontheEchidnaaaah, right18:58
apacheloggerehh18:58
apacheloggerwith intrepid18:58
JontheEchidnaintrepid > hardy :P18:58
apacheloggerthat too18:59
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: kde4bindings (4:4.0.98-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa2) intrepid; urgency=low19:01
* JontheEchidna sighs19:01
JontheEchidnaI wish dch -i didn't do that19:02
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: you should write a checklist :P19:02
JontheEchidnaI should19:02
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: W: kde4bindings source: patch-system-but-direct-changes-in-diff CMakeLists.txt19:02
apacheloggerwhat is changed there?19:02
JontheEchidnaI didn't do it!19:02
JontheEchidna<.<19:02
apacheloggeroh19:02
apacheloggerthe build prevents19:02
apacheloggerrighto19:02
apachelogger*uploading*19:03
* JontheEchidna doublechecks the hardy-ness of kdeutils19:03
JontheEchidnaheh, good thing I did too19:04
JontheEchidna-Hardy in changelog? Check!19:04
JontheEchidna-Contents of .install files changed? Check!19:05
JontheEchidna-Names of .install files changed to reflect new binary package names? Check!19:05
JontheEchidna-Binary package names changed in debian/control? Check!19:05
* JontheEchidna thinks that's about it19:06
JontheEchidnaI'll send this as ~ppa219:06
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I didn't upload ppa1 of kdeutils19:06
apacheloggerno need ot make it ppa219:06
JontheEchidnaoh, ok19:07
* JontheEchidna would do ~ppa9000 for the lulz19:07
apacheloggermono is way too weird19:07
apacheloggerRiddell: what are .dll.config files used for?19:07
JontheEchidnaWe could market it as a rejecting of mono :P19:07
JontheEchidna*rejection19:07
JontheEchidnaSometimes I think that the anti-mono zealots take things too far19:09
* JontheEchidna doesn't particularly support mono, though19:09
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: sent19:12
* apachelogger thinks merging the mono stuff from debian svn might be one dangerous thing to do19:13
apacheloggerthat looks very WIPish19:13
apacheloggerand considering I have no clue about mono .... ;-)19:13
apacheloggergood new is19:15
apacheloggerbindings is ready for 4.1.019:15
JontheEchidnacool19:16
JontheEchidnavorian: could I have a copy of the latest koffice2 stuff we did?19:16
Xand3rapachelogger: i am noow away for 2 hours, after it i will upload digikam i think, c ya19:18
* apachelogger waves to Xand3r19:18
* JontheEchidna waves to Xand3r19:18
apacheloggerJontheEchidna, vorian: go use bzr19:18
Xand3r^^19:18
JontheEchidna...good idea, actually19:18
* Xand3r waves back19:18
JontheEchidnaA collaborative editor would be handy for stuff like this too19:19
DaskrEEchKobby!!19:19
JontheEchidnaThat's what I was thinking of ;-)19:19
DaskrEEchI wish he would commit it :(19:19
mhbDaskrEEch: is there such a thing?19:19
mhbDaskrEEch: it can't be that hard to code19:20
DaskrEEchYes quite a lot of such a thing19:20
JontheEchidnaGSoC project19:20
yuriyscreen+vim -- the poor man's collaborative editor19:20
mhbhmm, good for the student19:20
DaskrEEchmhb: Not when you want it to stretch to Koffice and Kdevelop19:20
DaskrEEchyuriy: skreech ;-)19:20
DaskrEEchskreen even19:20
* DaskrEEch hits his fingers19:20
yuriyyay mhb is back19:21
mhb:o)19:21
* apachelogger thinks koffice should ship with a collaborative editor :P19:21
apacheloggeroh19:21
apacheloggeror kdepim19:21
apacheloggerrooting in kolab19:22
apacheloggerwhich would support my demand for a kubuntu.org kloab setup :P19:22
JontheEchidnaI think something like Kobby would be useful for tutorial days19:22
JontheEchidnaYou could see what the tutor was doing in real time19:22
JontheEchidnaor vice versa19:23
mhbby the way19:24
mhbhave you solved this one already?19:24
mhbhttp://video.aol.com/video-detail/bug-kaffeine-kubuntu-hardy/425134060119:24
mhbit really was an example of poor feature testing19:25
* yuriy doesn't look. the infinite loop?19:25
* apachelogger has a very special opinion about kaffeine19:25
yuriyno19:25
mhbyes19:25
* mhb has a very special opinion about apachelogger 19:25
mhb:o)19:25
apachelogger^_^19:25
apacheloggerhm, that loop looks like endless fun ;-)19:25
apacheloggeruh, that joke was awful19:26
* apachelogger hides in the bindings cave19:26
mhbyes, and it was really easy to achieve that loop19:26
mhbkind of shows that Kubuntu is in decline these days19:29
mhbat least when it comes to quality19:29
mhb(my opinion)19:30
DaskrEEchapachelogger: kdepim?19:31
DaskrEEchWhy would you want to have a collabortive ditor there?19:31
DaskrEEchso everyone can put in info for a contact?19:31
apacheloggerDaskrEEch: groupware19:34
apacheloggeras a matter of act19:34
apacheloggerthe editor might be in kdeutils19:34
apacheloggerbut bind ot kdepim19:34
apacheloggerand kdenetwork for instant messaging actually19:34
JontheEchidnaIt transcends module-ness19:35
apacheloggernope19:37
apacheloggermaybe kopete should rather access the editor via kparts rather than the other way round though19:38
JontheEchidnakparts are cool19:38
apacheloggerso you can run it independent from kopete but also from within kopete19:38
DaskrEEchapachelogger: Lost again :)19:44
DaskrEEchcollaboration IM messages?19:44
DaskrEEchso you help me to write the message I'm sending to you?19:45
apacheloggerDaskrEEch: you certainly need some way to communicate when collaborating19:47
DaskrEEchapachelogger: Oh yes we are looking at having a lightweight chat with decibel for discovery and possibly a standalone heavy weight server for conference etc19:48
DaskrEEchStill sorting out some things19:49
JontheEchidna  amarok-kde4: Depends: amarok-kde4-dbg (= 1.83-0ubuntu1~hardy0~ppa5) but 1.86-0ubuntu1~hardy0~ppa1 is installed19:49
JontheEchidna  amarok-kde4-dbg: Depends: amarok-kde4 (= 1.86-0ubuntu1~hardy0~ppa1) but 1.83-0ubuntu1~hardy0~ppa5 is installed19:49
DaskrEEchapachelogger: We have a mailing list if you want to follow19:49
* JontheEchidna wonders how that happened19:50
JontheEchidnaOh19:51
JontheEchidnatrying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man1/amarok.1.gz', which is also in package amarok19:51
JontheEchidna^that's how19:51
apacheloggerhooray19:51
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Nightroseapachelogger: http://pastebin.com/d2d180a5020:36
Nightrosehehe20:36
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apacheloggerDaskrEEch: I am on way too many lists already ;-)21:08
apacheloggerNightrose: should be fixed in ppa221:08
Nightroseapachelogger: thx21:08
DaskrEEchapachelogger: Preach it21:45
Xand3rback21:59
Xand3rsorry21:59
devfilhi to all22:00
devfilJontheEchidna: koffice2 fails to build22:02
Xand3rapachelogger: while i was away pbuilder build digikam22:03
devfilJontheEchidna: if you want I can try to finish it22:04
Xand3ri have a question22:05
Xand3ri want only upload the new debian folder i mean the diff, so that i have not to upload the source again22:06
Xand3ri choosen for it debuild -S how apachelogger told me, but this command includes the orgi.tar22:06
Xand3rwhat i am doin wrong?22:07
devfilXand3r: when a MOTU uploads in Ubuntu or you upload in your PPA, if you use debuild -S -sa .orig.tar.gz is included, if you use only debuild -S no22:08
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Xand3rdevfil: the orig tar is already in revu22:09
Xand3rand now i changed something in debian22:09
Xand3rand i dot want to upload the source again cause it is already there22:09
Xand3rand i have a small upstream22:10
devfilXand3r: if it is a new version I think you must upload it again22:10
Xand3rdevfil: no new version22:10
Xand3rapachelogger: i need you22:10
devfilXand3r: new version in Ubuntu, not in REVU22:11
Xand3rapachelogger: i upload now digikam, for me an my pbuilder it works all fine22:19
vorianhello!22:22
hungerDo I really need mysql server to use mailody-kde4?22:22
hungerXand3r: You are my hero! I have all my pics in digikam and it has not been installable for a while!22:23
Xand3rhunger: only intrepid, and only on revu, some on has to review22:24
hungerXand3r: Well, I am running intrepid, so I am fine with it.22:24
Xand3rkk22:25
* hunger is trying to remove transitional packages. Too bad so much depend on them:-(22:25
hungerKDE will require cmake 2.6 starting aug. 4th and ubuntu still has no good debs for that:-( (ccmake is missing).22:27
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Xand3rRiddell:hi  did you backport screenie-qt?22:44
Xand3rapachelogger: why manpages are useles?22:50
RiddellXand3r: mm, I think so, look on launchpad22:53
Xand3rRiddell: thx alot22:53
RiddellXand3r: doesn't seem like it is backported, what's the bug number?22:54
Xand3rRiddell:  #24495922:56
Xand3rhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/hardy-backports/+bug/24495922:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 244959 in hardy-backports "Please backport screenie-qt from Intrepid to hardy" [Wishlist,In progress]22:56
RiddellXand3r: done!22:59
Xand3rRiddell: thx your the best22:59
apacheloggerXand3r: ls *.manpage23:07
apacheloggernotice anything?23:07
Xand3rapachelogger: dont know what you mean?23:10
Xand3rthere are two, but i have two bins23:13
devfilRiddell: koffice2 fails to build, it takes 4 hours in ppa, wow23:14
vorian4 hours!23:14
voriandevfil: where did it fail?23:14
apacheloggerhm23:14
apacheloggerXand3r: maybe it's me being silly23:14
apachelogger*shrug*23:14
apacheloggerto late to check23:14
devfilvorian: dh_install, but maybe I know how to fix it23:14
devfilI need to try23:15
* vorian just gets home with the sole intent of fixing koffice23:15
voriandevfil: what is you ppa?23:15
devfilvorian: d.filoni23:15
devfilvorian: let me fix it, I think it is simple to fix23:15
Xand3rapachelogger: ?23:15
apacheloggerXand3r: forget about it23:15
devfil;)23:15
Xand3ri dont know what you want from me23:16
Xand3rok23:16
Xand3ri do23:16
voriandevfil: that's fine, I just might be able to save you a minute or two23:16
Riddelldevfil: trouble is the only way of knowing if you've really fixed it is to compile it and find out23:16
devfilRiddell: I'm going to upload the new version that should build23:16
Riddelldevfil: what's your fix?23:16
devfilRiddell: add libgmm-dev as b-d23:17
vorianany things else?  :)23:17
devfilthis should fix that error23:17
devfilif there are others I don't know at the moment23:18
RiddellI suspect there's more to it than that, koffice usually changes a number of installed files each release, you usually need to spend some time editing .install files23:18
voriandevfil: it fixes _one_ error23:18
devfilRiddell: I don't know, but it should fix panorama problem23:18
devfil+ GMM: The Krita Panorama plugin will not be built. <http://home.gna.org/getfem/download.html>23:19
voriandevfil: what about xbase and openctl?23:19
vorian(which we need a package package for openctl)23:19
devfilvorian: usually a firstly fix FTBFSs and after try to enable more feature23:20
* Nightrose hands everyone a beer so they can toast to apachelogger23:20
Nightrose*hint* birthday *hint*23:20
vorianit will fail agian with koffice-data23:20
Nightrose;-)23:20
vorianw00t!23:20
vorianHAPPY BIRTHDAY APACHELOGGER!23:20
DaskrEEchHAPPY BEERDAY!!23:21
devfilvorian: and then I will try to fix it, no problem23:21
DaskrEEch*burp*23:21
devfilHAPPY BIRTHDAY23:21
vorianok then devfil, it's all yours :)23:21
Xand3rapachelogger:  HAPPY BIRTHDAY23:22
* vorian wheels in the kegg23:25
yuriyHAPPY BIRTHDAY apachelogger!!23:26
apacheloggeroh, thank you everyone :)23:28
Riddellhunger, apachelogger: what were the problems with cmake?23:31
Riddellno ccmake, anything else?23:31
apacheloggerRiddell: cmake-gui doesn't have a package23:31
apacheloggerthough that is quite minor compared to ccmake ;-)23:31
JontheEchidnavorian: it was that panorama ftbfs that we fixed23:33
JontheEchidnaOh, and happy birthday apachelogger23:33
vorianJontheEchidna: nod23:33
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: thanks23:33
JontheEchidnavorian: I had just forgotten to make the changes locally before I gave the .dsc and diff.gz to devfil23:34
vorianJontheEchidna: it's alright, he's determined to fix it23:34
JontheEchidnaheh23:34
vorianwhat else is on the docket?23:35
JontheEchidnahmm23:35
JontheEchidna-Rest for 4.1 final packaging23:35
JontheEchidna:P23:35
vorianhaha23:35
vorianNEVAR!23:35
apacheloggeractually23:36
apacheloggervorian: you could grab svn snapshots and update the packaging to those ;-)23:37
vorianapachelogger: I'm just going to patch the desktop for darkroom23:37
JontheEchidnaOh, kdesdk is still at beta2 for kubuntu-kde--members23:37
vorianapachelogger: for all, or extragear?23:37
apacheloggervorian: that name still makes me giggle ;-)23:37
JontheEchidnathough at this point I'd just wait until 4.1 final23:37
vorianhaha23:37
vorianIt's sweet though! did you use it?23:37
apacheloggervorian: kdelibs would certainly be very god to have first ;-)23:37
vorianok apachelogger, I'll work on that tonight23:38
vorian(after patching the desktop file here...)23:38
* JontheEchidna disappears for a while23:40
apacheloggervore: darkroom certainly needs an icon23:41
apacheloggervorian: ^23:41
vorianyeah23:41
vorianI'll make one up23:41
vorianand send it to him :P23:41
vorianbrb23:42
Xand3rapachelogger: i think i have all done, please check it http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=digikam-kde423:45
Xand3ri go now to bed, good night, and have a nice birthday23:45
Riddellnight Xand3r23:45
Xand3rnight Riddell23:46

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