[04:38] <G_009> !swat
[04:38] <linkinxp> hello .... why am i getting this same error???......https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2006-November/010526.html
[04:38] <linkinxp> help!
[05:10] <IdleOne> I hate when people put . ( periods ) at the end or the beginning of a http link.
[05:10] <IdleOne> ever try to navigate to.www.google.com?
[05:10] <IdleOne> it's impossible
[05:43] <RAOF> IdleOne: What terminal emulator are you using?  My gnome-terminal handles them just fine.
[09:16] <hyperair> RAOF: not everyone uses a terminal based irc client
[09:16] <hyperair> *cli based
[09:53] <baron1984> is kerneloops in Intrepid yet?
[10:39] <baron1984> is kerneloops in Intrepid yet?
[10:57] <RAOF> hyperair: Man, you're right.  I totally forgot.
[11:01] <hyperair> RAOF: lol. nice long conversation we have here
[12:31] <BonezAU> I have an Intel wireless card, 3945... the correct module is loaded. Using Alpha 2. Anyone got any tips on getting it to work? Network manager shows no available wireless networks and a manual connect does not work either
[12:31] <s0u][ight> BonezAU, firmware?
[12:32] <BonezAU> what about it?
[12:36] <s0u][ight> is it loaded?
[13:10]  * baron1984 hunts down and murders the person who thought of ACPI
[13:10] <baron1984> and everyone who's ever looked at him
[13:10] <baron1984> grrrrrrrrrr
[13:11] <TheInfinity> baron1984: you need acpi at all ;)
[13:12] <baron1984> uhhhm, it's polluting my system logs, and I really really like being able to start the machine back up in 3 seconds?
[13:12] <TheInfinity> then you have a bad bios *g*
[13:12] <baron1984> no crap
[13:12] <baron1984> I hadn't noticed
[13:13] <baron1984> Fedora comes back and then freezes if I go to reboot later
[13:13] <baron1984> Ubuntu 8.04 just falls over and dies
[13:13] <TheInfinity> most acpi implementations are quite strange because the devs just look at windows
[13:13] <TheInfinity> and if windows works its ok
[13:13] <baron1984> and 8.10 Alpha 2 will come back up but not bring the monitor with it
[13:14] <baron1984> of course I'm not having luck with sound or video on Intrepid
[13:14] <baron1984> else I'd probably just try implementing a quirk
[13:14] <TheInfinity> baron1984: what computer do you have? :o
[13:14] <baron1984> I replaced a dead motherboard
[13:15]  * TheInfinity never had problems with his hardware. ok i just buy apple and ibm, but ... ;)
[13:15] <baron1984> with what appeared to be a nicer one
[13:15] <baron1984> http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2008/07/22/if-you-cant-be-good-be-sneaky-how-ubuntu-handles-acpi-failures/
[13:15] <baron1984> http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2008/07/22/just-a-thank-you-to-microsoft-and-some-comical-foxconn-bios-update-humor/
[13:16] <baron1984> the second one is funnier
[13:16] <TheInfinity> i never heard of foxconn ... :o
[13:16] <baron1984> they're terrible
[13:16] <baron1984> AWFUL
[13:17] <TheInfinity> they are not sold in germany
[13:17] <baron1984> their update utility is written in engrish
[13:17] <baron1984> short choppy Chinese to English translation
[13:17] <baron1984> "Backuping your BIOS"
[13:17] <baron1984> I swear to god
[13:17] <baron1984> it said that
[13:18] <baron1984> among other things
[13:18] <TheInfinity> baron1984: so why did you buy this mb? ;)
[13:18] <baron1984> if I wasn't so horrified, I might have taken screenshots
[13:18] <baron1984> it *looked* like a good deal
[13:18] <baron1984> hardware wise, it probably is
[13:18] <baron1984> the BIOS sucks
[13:19] <TheInfinity> saving some money by buying completely nameless hardware is almost always a bad idea ...
[13:19] <TheInfinity> most times you have to buy it again ...
[13:20] <baron1984> Foxconn is not nameless
[13:20] <baron1984> Foxconn makes some major stuff
[13:20] <baron1984> I thought they'd be safe
[13:20] <TheInfinity> dont know, in germany it is completely nameless, i never saw any offline- or onlinestore who has this ;)
[13:20] <baron1984> Foxconn makes motherboards for PS3's, XBOX 360's
[13:20] <baron1984> they make ipods
[13:22] <baron1984> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186123&Tpk=foxconn%2bg33m-s
[13:22] <baron1984> they haven't put my review up yet
[13:22] <baron1984> wonder if they will ;)
[13:22] <JontheEchidna> soylent silicon is people!
[13:23] <baron1984> yeah, the board runs Vista fantastically
[13:23] <baron1984> unfortunately it's a OEM copy of Vista
[13:23] <baron1984> that freaks out when it sees my new board
[13:24] <baron1984> I should just call Microsoft and whine until they let me reactivate it
[13:25] <baron1984> TheInfinity: So how hard would it be for Linux ACPI to act like Windows ACPI then?
[13:25] <baron1984> seems like what it should do
[13:25] <TheInfinity> baron1984: its like HTML just written for internet explorer
[13:26] <baron1984> right, as long as it works, who cares?
[13:26] <TheInfinity> firefox / opera / etc users care a lot
[13:26] <baron1984> almost nobody switched to a different browser over that
[13:26] <baron1984> they did it cause of spyware and cause IE hadn't had any new features that were *visible to them* in years
[13:27] <TheInfinity> same with acpi - windows has some strange additional features, sometimes added by special drivers
[13:27] <baron1984> I wonder what it would do if I threw all the quirks at it
[13:27] <baron1984> at once
[13:28] <TheInfinity> linux cant make it the in same way because windows acpi has some strange reactions and is closed source - so you cant implement it in linux
[13:28] <Pici> I know this channel isn't busy now, but its still for Intrepid issues only.  Feel free to chat in #ubuntu-offtopic or discuss whatever in ##windows, or ##hardware.
[13:28] <TheInfinity> k
[13:28] <baron1984> this is an intrepid issue
[13:28] <baron1984> acpi no worky
[13:29] <baron1984> for whatever good it will do, I'll file a bug on it with Red Hat and Canonical
[13:30] <baron1984> with my system log snippets
[13:31] <TheInfinity> baron1984: make a bugreport at launchpad. there you will find help (perhaps). and try booting with noacpi.
[13:31] <baron1984> TheInfinity: Is there a reliable way to flash a BIOS in Linux?
[13:31] <baron1984> TheInfinity: Some of my ACPI works
[13:31] <TheInfinity> baron1984: best way is still DOS bootdisk
[13:31] <baron1984> processor throttling and such
[13:31] <baron1984> no floppy drive
[13:32] <TheInfinity> you can burn it to a cd-rw
[13:32] <TheInfinity> i have no floppy for years ;)
[13:35] <baron1984> heh, I just installed Vista long enough to flash before I installed Fedora
[13:36] <baron1984> suppose I probably could do that with one of my old IDE hard disks
[13:36] <baron1984> keep it around with a copy of Vista on it every time I want to flash my BIOS
[13:36] <baron1984> hehehe
[14:58] <mrtimdog> Hi, I've got red and white strips on my console, I think it's probably as I've got no gettys running (SSH access ok). Any idea why this might be?
[14:58] <mrtimdog> They're defined in /etc/event.d/tty*, but don't get started...?
[16:22] <thebishop> Are there any good "Screenshot Tours" of Intrepid?  Also, are there artwork/UI mockups posted online?
[16:51] <TheInfinity> thebishop: its alpha and artwork is not done
[16:52] <TheInfinity> so it does not really make sense
[17:01] <thebishop> TheInfinity, what's the development process like for something so subjective?  I'm really interested in how UI design gets done in a community project
[17:01] <TheInfinity> thebishop: theres a wiki page for ubuntu artwork development
[17:02] <TheInfinity> if you ask in ubuntu-devel you will get some guys who are responsible for artwork. they like if somebody helps them ;)
[17:02] <thebishop> TheInfinity, you got a link to the Wiki?
[17:02] <TheInfinity> google: wiki ubuntu? ;)
[17:02] <TheInfinity> and perhaps artwork?
[17:03] <baron1984> TheInfinity: I just installed the latest kernel.org kernel on that box
[17:03] <baron1984> and ACPI related stuff all works
[17:04] <TheInfinity> :)
[17:04] <TheInfinity> then kernel devs already got this problem :)
[17:04] <baron1984> means Intrepid and Fedora 10 should both support that board
[17:04] <thebishop> anyone else having problems with Intel HDA sound not working after resuming from Suspend/Hibernate?
[17:04] <baron1984> and only 2 years late
[17:06] <TheInfinity> it takes some time when ACPI from a bios is broken because a kernel dev has to code a fix just for this mainboard
[17:06] <baron1984> it doesn't help that Intel makes purposely broken crap for their desktop boards
[17:07] <baron1984> so that by the time they're properly supported, they're WAY too old to be a good server
[17:07] <TheInfinity> baron1984: server chipsets dont need suspend :p
[17:08] <baron1984> I know, but just a few months ago, Linux wouldn't even boot on this board
[17:08] <baron1984> unless you did some really horrible things to it
[17:08] <TheInfinity> and intel is excellent for server boards - but server boards also need a good bios - which does not seem to be added on your board
[17:10] <baron1984> thats what I mean
[17:10] <baron1984> if you could spend $100 on a cheap desktop board and use it just the same
[17:10] <baron1984> they'd be screwed
[17:11] <baron1984> I've noticed that if anything on an Intel board *does* actually work, it's usually cause it's just "close enough" to something on a server board
[17:11] <MGrunde> Is Alpha 3 reasonably on schedule to be released on Thursday?
[17:11] <baron1984> the only place I've had good luck using Linux as a desktop is on AMD
[17:12] <TheInfinity> baron1984: btw you miss your problem - ACPI is a bios problem, and bios has nothing to do with the chipset used on the board
[17:13] <baron1984> then why was Linux having problems on pretty much all G33's?
[17:13] <baron1984> regardless of BIOS
[17:13] <TheInfinity> there are also chipset probs, yes, but your prob it typical for broken bios ;)
[17:19]  * DanaG uses Linux as a desktop on his Intel laptop.
[17:19] <DanaG> But I do have a broken BIOS -- sometimes my thermal zone temperature will randomly jump to a bogus high reading (such as 61 or 66 or 72 C) and stick there... and the fan will spin up accordingly.
[17:19] <DanaG> It happens under Windows (Vista), too.
[17:20] <baron1984> this Foxconn board defaults to fans at 100%
[17:20] <baron1984> you have to set it to auto yourself
[18:13] <linux1_> ppl i really ike the new nautilus view of how may items are in the folders
[18:26] <baron1984> they need to give Intrepid's repo an enema
[18:26] <baron1984> there is so much stuff in here that is either depending on packages from Hardy, or IS a package from Hardy......grrrrr
[18:34] <w00t_> baron1984, it's worth remembering that it is currently alpha quality, and how software usually evolves from the version before it?
[18:35] <baron1984> I just got back the most heinous reply from Foxconn
[18:35] <baron1984> I need to blog, hehe
[21:37] <w00t> is there any information/resources available on how to package programs? I'd like to package an application I develop for intrepid
[21:51] <jonpackard> w00t: Have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[21:52] <w00t> much appreciated :)
[21:52] <jonpackard> it's filed under 6.10.. let me see if I can find a more recent version
[21:53] <jonpackard> here's the better link: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ - I think it's the same thing
[21:54] <w00t> hopefully I'll get around to doing it then :)