[00:32] <Awsoonn> I have found that I need to use 'safe graphics mode' to install an a specfic system; Should I report it as a bug or anything?
[00:33] <Awsoonn> I'm just thinking about if there is a way to make the next release automatically revert to the 'safe' settings from get-go
[01:01] <bahadunn> is it best to work on bugs in intrepid?
[01:02] <hggdh> bahadunn, you can work on any bugs you want; every bug is a potential problem
[01:03] <greg-g> bahadunn: it is nice to verify that the issue isn't fixed in Intrepid, but, more information from any distro is always good.
[01:03] <greg-g> s/distro/release
[01:47] <mrooney> hmm, I think bug 250659 has the cause of that often reported GDM bug, don't know if it was already figured out
[04:53] <NCommander> I'm interested in getting started with bug triaging and such, but I'm a little confused on where to begin
[04:53] <nellery> NCommander, best place to get started would be https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowtoTriage
[04:54] <NCommander> That part I get
[04:54] <NCommander> although your link seems to be broken ;-)
[04:54] <nellery> sorry, that was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowtoTriage
[04:54] <nellery> or rather...
[04:54] <nellery> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[04:54] <nellery> there we go!
[04:54] <NCommander> Well, no, this I get
[04:55] <NCommander> BUt what I don't get is then once I improve a bug report what do I do with it if I'm unable to implement the fix myself
[04:55] <NCommander> (aka, getting someone to mark it triaged)
[04:55]  * NCommander looks for a random bug to explain it better
[04:58] <NCommander> I've been working to resolve bugs like FTBFS failures, and other such issues (the latest being an issue with mono segfaults in some cases). I've seen loads of bugs I can probably can confirm if I looked into it. However, to become a member of the bugcontrol team, it seems more then just confirming bugs is necessary if I can make sense of this page
[05:00] <NCommander> nellery, am I making any sense?
[05:07] <greg-g> NCommander: confirming is one part of the triaging process
[05:07] <greg-g> (ie: one of the first parts)
[05:08] <greg-g> the goal of that part is to get the status fo the bug to "Confirmed" (ie: I experience the same issue with the steps the submitter described)
[05:08] <NCommander> I'm have a few packages in Debian, and I work as a porter with them, so I get the general workflow of triaging bugs and such
[05:09] <greg-g> the next part it to "triage" it to describe what is actually the problem
[05:09] <greg-g> ok
[05:09] <greg-g> one second, sorry
[05:09] <NCommander> no problem
[05:11] <greg-g> NCommander: so, after you have come to the conclusion of how to fix the bug, what is your question? :)
[05:12] <nellery> NCommander, Terribly sorry for leaving you hanging like that!
[05:12] <nellery> I had to run off for a bit ;)
[05:12] <NCommander> I was under the impression that if you want to work on bug triaging, you need to work through th u-bugs group
[05:12] <NCommander> brb
[05:12] <NCommander> pager
[05:12] <greg-g> heh
[05:12] <NCommander> back
[05:12] <NCommander> SOrry, I'm on call as a firefighter
[05:12] <greg-g> we're all over the place!
[05:13] <greg-g> ahh, no worries.  And thank you.
[05:13] <NCommander> for?
[05:13] <greg-g> being on call as a firefighter.
[05:13] <NCommander> It's what I do
[05:13] <NCommander> Damn it, the dispatcher running very slow tonight
[05:13] <NCommander> And I need to run
[05:14] <NCommander> Sorry
[05:14] <greg-g> take care!
[05:14] <NCommander> I'll be back in 30 or 60 minutes0
[05:24] <pschulz01> Greetings.. quick question.. is 'fix-released' the final status for a bug?
[05:25] <Hobbsee> it's one of them
[05:25] <greg-g> pschulz01: either that or invalid :)
[05:25] <Hobbsee> or wontfix.
[05:25] <pschulz01> Hobbsee: Hobbsee!!
[05:25] <pschulz01> Thanks..
[05:25] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:25] <greg-g> Hobbsee: or won't fix, yeah :)
[05:26] <pschulz01> Cool..
[05:26] <pschulz01> I was reporting a bug, and was shown a related one, which has been fixed.
[05:41] <NCommander> and I'm back
[05:42] <NCommander> Idiots should not be allowed to plug things into outlets
[05:43] <NCommander> greg-g, you still around?
[05:53] <greg-g> heh, yeah, I am NCommander
[05:54] <greg-g> NCommander: so, where were we?
[05:56] <NCommander> greg-g, bug traging
[05:57] <NCommander> greg-g, I'm interested in joining ubuntu-qa so I can mark the importance of bugs I manage (I file a lot of FTBFS fixes, but I can't mark important because I'm not in ubuntu-qa)
[05:57] <NCommander> err, FTBFS fixes for release archs, FTBFS for other archs are usually minor or wishlist
[05:58] <greg-g> ok... well, joining is pretty straight forward: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl
[05:59] <NCommander> I'm not sure how to meet the forth requirement, 1 + 2 and 3 I get
[05:59] <greg-g> since you are a maintainer for Debian, I would suggest contacting Jorge Castro (as that wiki suggests)
[05:59] <NCommander> ugh
[05:59] <NCommander> hold on
[05:59] <NCommander> Duty calling
[06:00] <greg-g> k
[06:00] <NCommander> greg-g, EMS job, so I'm not needed
[06:00] <greg-g> k
[06:00] <greg-g> so, the fourth req is a list of 5 bugs you have triaged (and possibly fixed in your case)
[06:01] <greg-g> NCommander: but, I would strongly encourage you to contact jcastro
[06:01] <NCommander> I have 19 listed on my bug list
[06:01] <greg-g> he might be able to waive that for you, since you are a maintainer in debian
[06:02] <NCommander> jcastro, ping?
[06:03] <greg-g> he is probably asleep as he is in the Eastern time zone
[06:03] <NCommander> so am I ;-)
[06:04] <greg-g> jorge@ubuntu.com is his email
[06:04] <NCommander> Oh, ew. They changed the LP skin again
[06:05]  * NCommander also installs five a day
[06:06] <greg-g> NCommander: so, email jorge and get that going.  Until then, you are of course free to sumbit bugs and submit patches, you just won't be able to set the status.  Until you are a member, you can simply just come in here and ask one of us to set it for you.
[06:06] <greg-g> s/set the status/set the status to certain selections/
[06:06]  * NCommander finishs his first five a day bug :-)
[06:07] <greg-g> awesome
[06:07] <greg-g> I'm going to go finish a movie then head to bed
[06:07] <NCommander> ok
[06:07] <greg-g> hope to see you around!
[06:23] <NCommander> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vsftpd/+bug/250689 - can someone mark the importance wishlist?
[09:46] <afflux> morning
[09:47] <thekorn> heya afflux !!
[09:50] <afflux> thekorn: heya! any progress yet?
[09:51] <Iulian> Morning afflux, thekorn.
[09:51] <thekorn> afflux, no, fall aslepp too early this night ;)
[09:51] <thekorn> hi Iulian
[09:51] <afflux> hi Iulian
[09:52] <thekorn> afflux, and I would like to have some more information,
[09:52] <afflux> thekorn: hope I'll get to it around weekend.. I've school holidays so I can't get myself do some work :)
[09:54] <thekorn> afflux, hehe same with me, semesterferien, so it is hard to do serious work
[09:54] <afflux> jup
[09:55] <thekorn> but I'm ggoing to meet with julius on friday, drink some beer and hopefully get the answer to my questions
[09:55] <afflux> ah cool
[09:55] <afflux> heh, I could take a train to hannover and meet you both :>
[09:57] <thekorn> afflux, or take your 	bicycle
[09:57] <afflux> harhar
[09:58] <thekorn> afflux, but yes, take the train, come to the most beautifull city of the world and I'm sure we will find some place to stay over the weekend for you
[09:58] <afflux> I'll think about it ;)
[09:58] <thekorn> ROCK!
[10:01] <afflux> rock yourself :)
[14:47] <bddebian> Boo
[14:47] <Pici> yikes
[14:48] <bddebian> :)
[16:11] <thebishop> i think i found a weird bug in Synaptic
[16:12] <thebishop> when search for "IDE", the 'e' is lowercase, I can't get around it
[16:13] <thebishop> i type "IDE", and it shows "IDe"
[16:17] <mvo> thebishop: in the new intrepid quick search? or in what search field?
[16:18] <thebishop> in the Find dialog
[16:18] <thebishop> if you open Synaptic and click "Search"
[16:19] <thebishop> other combinations of letters like "OOE", "TOE", "IDO", "IDA", work fine
[16:51] <mouz> seb128: why was bug 250585 invalidated? My understanding was it is advised against when it is a duplicate?
[16:51] <seb128> mouz: what do you mean "advised against"?
[16:52] <mouz> seb128: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage section 'Invalidating'
[16:53] <seb128> well, I'm marking duplicate as invalid and nobody complained until now
[16:53] <seb128> does it make really a difference? ;-)
[16:54] <mouz> seb128: for un-duplicating, maybe for statistics also
[16:55] <seb128> let's say I'm annoyed enough to have close hundred of duplicates every month to try to message harder than people should look for open bugs before filling duplicates ;-)
[16:55] <seb128> s/to have/to have to
[16:56] <charlie-tca> I have 3 bugs, against three different drive types, that state eject failes in Thunar.
[16:56] <charlie-tca> Can they be marked duplicates?
[16:56] <bdmurray> mouz: I agree with seb128 and think launchpad should do it automatically
[16:59] <mouz> bdmurray: maybe the mentioned section on the wiki should be changed then?
[17:00] <greg-g> mouz: which part is confusing?
[17:01] <bdmurray> It says "no need to reject bugs that are *already* marked" which I think is clear.  Perhaps the bit about unduplicate should be dropped.
[17:01] <greg-g> oh, the part under invalidating....
[17:03] <bdmurray> Will that help mouz?
[17:09] <charlie-tca> I'm sorry to interrupt, but I need to know what to do to bring my Ubuntu Bugsquad expiration date current?
[17:16] <mouz> bdmurray: yes it would. sorry: just trying to understand triaging
[17:17] <bdmurray> mouz: no problem, I want the documentation to be clear and your opinion is valuable
[17:26] <bdmurray> mouz: I've updated that bit of HowToTriage if you want to review it
[18:03] <bdmurray> mvo: an upgrade to intrepid seemed to indicate that 'dpkg-reconfigure -a' would run but it didn't afaict
[21:48] <Syntux> do we have an RSS feed of New and Triaged bugs?
[21:49] <saivann> bdmurray : ping
[21:50] <bdmurray> saivann: pong
[21:50] <bdmurray> Syntux: not as far as I know
[21:50] <Syntux> I see
[21:50] <saivann> bdmurray : I took this job in the BugSquad TODO list : add a stock reply to Bugs/Responses for submitting ideas to [WWW] http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com
[21:51] <saivann> bdmurray : I'm about to post changes, can you review my post?
[21:51] <bdmurray> saivann: how?
[21:52] <saivann> bdmurray : I will just update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Response , you can look at it and tell me your opinion
[21:52] <bdmurray> saivann: sounds good
[21:54] <saivann> bdmurray : Updated, my changes are #30 in the page
[21:59] <bdmurray> saivann: there is a similar bit in http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage .  I like your reply more but the intro at the HowToTriage page.  Could you consolidate them somehow?
[22:00] <saivann> bdmurray : I agree! I can surely do that in few minutes
[22:02] <saivann> bdmurray : What about : Thank you for taking the time to make Ubuntu better. Since what you submitted is not really a bug, or a problem, but rather an idea to improve ubuntu, you are invited to post your idea in Ubuntu Brainstorm at [WWW] https://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ where it can be discussed, voted by the community and reviewed by developers. Thanks for taking the time to share your opinion!
[22:03] <bdmurray> saivann: that sounds good, thanks for doing it!
[22:04] <saivann> bdmurray : I can update both page, I guess, should-I?
[22:05] <saivann> bdmurray : No problem, thanks for your help
[22:07] <bdmurray> Oh, by the way do you know if bug 21481 is related to usplash?
[22:10] <saivann> bdmurray : libc.6.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory", does not sound like a problem in usplash itself, but it might be
[22:10] <saivann> bdmurray : On not updated Hardy systems, nvidia 8xxx cards did have serious problem with usplash, but not that specific error message
[22:11] <bdmurray> it was the usplash_write bit that caught my eye
[22:12] <bdmurray> but you are probably right that it is kernel related
[22:13] <saivann> bdmurray : Yeah, I guess that this is a library problem since usplash looks like it search lib.6 and does not find it "No such file or directory" is really explicit. And this problem is not common to usplash, even on 64bit systems (I use ubuntu 64bit with a nvidia geforce on hardy)
[22:14] <saivann> bdmurray : It's the first time that I see this error message concerning libc.6.so shown by splash_write
[22:14] <saivann> bdmurray : But it might be interesting to ask the reporter to boot without "splash" in his grub menu, to see what's happening
[22:16] <saivann> bdmurray : Also make sure that "ubuntu-desktop" package is installed on his computer (because it depends on most necessary packages for ubuntu to work correctly)
[22:47] <NCommander> jcastro, hi
[22:48] <jcastro> NCommander: hi!
[22:49] <NCommander> Hola jcastro
[22:50] <NCommander> jcastro, I was told to talk to you if I was an upstream debian maintainer who wanted access to ubuntu-qa
[22:51] <jcastro> ah, excellent
[22:51] <jcastro> NCommander: sec, let me dig out the wiki page
[22:51] <NCommander> jcastro, I've already been working on 5 a day bugs, and such, I just found how you became a member of the qa team recently ;-)
[22:51] <jcastro> did I?
[22:51]  * jcastro suspects a plot
[22:53] <jcastro> NCommander: you mean ubuntu-qa as in https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qa or the bugsquad?
[22:53] <NCommander> ubuntu-qa, so I can modify the importance of bugs
[22:53] <NCommander> Unless I misunderstood the wiki pages
[22:53] <greg-g> bugsquad
[22:53] <jcastro> yeah, bugsquad
[22:53] <NCommander> I'm in bugsquad
[22:54] <greg-g> jcastro: I pointed NCommander in your direction
[22:54] <greg-g> erm, bugcontrol :), sorry, many groups to be a member of :)
[22:54]  * NCommander falls over
[22:54] <jcastro> heh
[22:55] <greg-g> bugsquad is a "we like working on bugs" bugcontrol is "we are experienced and can help others, oh, and set some options other can not"
[22:55] <jcastro> can you link me to your debian work please NCommander?
[22:56] <NCommander> http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=mcasadevall%40buildd.net
[22:56] <NCommander> http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=sonicmctails@gmail.com
[22:57] <NCommander> (I have updates available to fix cvsps, but I can not find any sponsors; they have been pushed into Ubuntu however)
[22:57] <jcastro> wow
[22:57] <jcastro> you've submitted a hurd bug report?
[22:57] <NCommander> I'm a hurd porter ...
[22:57] <jcastro> @
[22:57] <NCommander> actually, m68k/hurd/kfreebsd porter
[22:57] <jcastro> !
[22:58] <NCommander> https://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=mcasadevall%40buildd.net - ;-), the frontdesk says I am anyway
[22:58]  * NCommander also has CVS commit access to Hurd
[22:59] <NCommander> uh oh
[22:59] <NCommander> I think I killed jcastro
[22:59] <jcastro> I'm just checking stuff
[22:59] <NCommander> jcastro, I also done a lot of FTBFS fixes and working on five a day for Ubuntu
[22:59] <jcastro> it's ok, I've heard worse. :)
[22:59] <NCommander> I'm less active on Debian because cause I'm actively fighting to get my fixes into their archive
[23:00] <NCommander> http://launchpad.net/~sonicmctalis
[23:00] <NCommander> ... http://launchpad.net/~sonicmctails
[23:00] <jcastro> yep, I googled you already
[23:01] <NCommander> Neat
[23:01] <NCommander> I've been Googled!
[23:02] <jcastro> NCommander: you understand everything in the application section on this page?: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl
[23:02] <NCommander> I've signed the code of conduct, I will not put users in their place, and I'm appear of Apport crash reports may contain data like peoples SSNs or credit cards, etc.
[23:03] <jcastro> bdmurray: ping
[23:03] <bdmurray> jcastro: ahoy
[23:04] <jcastro> bdmurray: I have no power to approve anyone in -bugsquad
[23:04] <NCommander> Should I click the Join button for bugsquad to be put in the queue?
[23:04]  * ogra comforts jcastro 
[23:04] <jcastro> the wiki says to apply OR get ahold of me, shouldn't that be apply AND get ahold of me?
[23:04] <ogra> poor powerless boy
[23:04] <jcastro> bdmurray: or do you trust me to add people. :D
[23:04] <jcastro> ogra: I'm an elephant
[23:05] <ogra> you mean you never forget ? :)
[23:05] <Nafallo> jcastro: yes... you are ;-)
[23:05] <NCommander> jcastro, I take it you don't get too many people coming from Debian to Ubuntu and applying for bugcontrol?
[23:05] <jcastro> NCommander: you would be the first. :D
[23:05] <NCommander> damn O_o;
[23:05] <jcastro> well, the first who wasn't already involved in debian to begin with
[23:05] <bdmurray> jcastro: I've made you an admin now and an OR statement is valid
[23:05] <NCommander> huh?
[23:06] <NCommander> When did the Debian migration statement go in?
[23:06] <bdmurray> It's just easier if they apply because you don't have to figure out their lp username
[23:06] <NCommander> Cool
[23:06] <NCommander> hold on
[23:06] <jcastro> NCommander: well, lots of MOTUs and core-devs are DDs already so they didn't need to apply
[23:06] <NCommander> Well, I'm in the process of becoming a DD
[23:06] <NCommander> and an MOTU
[23:07] <NCommander> Ok, I clicked Join, I should be in the pending lst
[23:09] <NCommander> Look for Michael Casadevall (sonicmctails)
[23:09] <jcastro> heh, I know dude, I just looked over all your bugs. :D
[23:10] <NCommander> Amazing what you can do when your determined
[23:10] <NCommander> *is very proud of his FTBFS fixes*
[23:11] <jcastro> ok, all set!
[23:11] <jcastro> go cause havok .. I mean, go do good things!
[23:12] <NCommander> *whacks jcastro*
[23:12] <NCommander> j/k ;-)
[23:56] <android6011> I have a slight problem booting, I get the "starting up" then something abotu GPE Storm Detected, if I press the power button it continues to boot, but if I don't it hangs. I was just wondering if there is a bug report for this