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| meoblast001 | hi | 21:52 |
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| meoblast001 | why odnt we ever take the windows aproach? | 21:52 |
| meoblast001 | make a good program | 21:52 |
| meoblast001 | and make it linux only | 21:52 |
| meoblast001 | cut microsoft's balls off | 21:52 |
| sbc | meoblast001: With open source that is kind of hard. Once you have a great program linux only with the source out there it should be pice of cake to make a windows / OSX port | 21:53 |
| meoblast001 | sbc: we should make a few closed source ones (only a few) | 21:54 |
| meoblast001 | sbc: that is one advantage microsoft has | 21:54 |
| meoblast001 | they get all the programs we hav | 21:54 |
| meoblast001 | e | 21:54 |
| meoblast001 | sure... LMMS is an exclusive | 21:54 |
| meoblast001 | but seriously.... what else is a good Linux exclusive | 21:55 |
| meoblast001 | sbc: are we gonna get silverlight? | 21:55 |
| sbc | meoblast001: Proberly not right away. | 21:56 |
| meoblast001 | sbc: it said it will only be made for Linux throught Novel | 21:56 |
| meoblast001 | that means... SUsE only right? | 21:56 |
| sbc | meoblast001: Once they make a suse port it should not be hard bringing it to other linux distributions | 21:58 |
| meoblast001 | sbc: do we currently have a way to convert SUsE packages? | 21:58 |
| meoblast001 | does SUsE use RPM? | 21:58 |
| meoblast001 | never triedSUse | 21:58 |
| sbc | meoblast001: I'm not sure, but it should not be impossible | 21:59 |
| meoblast001 | sbc: i'll check the wine status on silverlight | 22:00 |
| meoblast001 | i want to see if this is any good | 22:00 |
| meoblast001 | nope it fails | 22:02 |
| meoblast001 | youtube time | 22:02 |
| jonpackard | meoblast001: have you seen Moonlight? I think it's still in Beta, but the idea is it's a OSS replacement for Silverlight | 22:12 |
| jonpackard | here's a link if you're interested: http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight | 22:12 |
| meoblast001 | already there | 22:13 |
| meoblast001 | what do you mean "OSS replacement" | 22:13 |
| meoblast001 | OS replacement? | 22:13 |
| jonpackard | OSS = open source software | 22:13 |
| meoblast001 | oh | 22:13 |
| meoblast001 | shaweet | 22:13 |
| meoblast001 | installing | 22:13 |
| jonpackard | like... Gnash hopefully will completely replace adobe flash for most Linux users when it is perfected =) | 22:14 |
| meoblast001 | NOOO | 22:14 |
| meoblast001 | i think different | 22:14 |
| meoblast001 | Adobe should open the flash format up | 22:14 |
| meoblast001 | GNASH is so buggy that the idea of it being good enough is hard to believe | 22:15 |
| meoblast001 | and then Adobe would switch a bunch of stuff and GNASH would need fixed | 22:15 |
| jonpackard | or another example.. Nouveau can provide 3D for nvidia users instead of using proprietary modules.. it's usuable for older cards but not much love for my Geforce8 series card yet | 22:15 |
| meoblast001 | GeForce8 isnt linux compatible? | 22:16 |
| meoblast001 | moonlight is SLOW | 22:16 |
| jonpackard | I agree at this time Gnash is very limited.. I tried it and ended up switching back to Flash =( | 22:16 |
| meoblast001 | me too | 22:16 |
| meoblast001 | i havent had any problems with Flash proprietary edition | 22:16 |
| meoblast001 | well | 22:16 |
| jonpackard | nouveau for Geforce 8 series is not quite there yet | 22:17 |
| meoblast001 | i change my mind | 22:17 |
| meoblast001 | i have | 22:17 |
| meoblast001 | but it was repaired | 22:17 |
| meoblast001 | and i use Wine + Flash 8 | 22:17 |
| meoblast001 | runs great | 22:17 |
| meoblast001 | what does moonlight do? | 22:18 |
| meoblast001 | lock up my browser? | 22:18 |
| meoblast001 | its quite good at that | 22:18 |
| jonpackard | Wine is great but to have to use it for a program that's been ported to Lunix seems odd to me | 22:18 |
| meoblast001 | no | 22:18 |
| meoblast001 | Flash MX 8 | 22:18 |
| jonpackard | ohh... i see | 22:18 |
| meoblast001 | what is mono? | 22:19 |
| meoblast001 | jonpackard: ? | 22:20 |
| jonpackard | hmm "flash for linux".. still in beta of course =) http://f4l.sourceforge.net/ | 22:21 |
| jonpackard | mono = open source development platform based on the .NET framework | 22:21 |
| meoblast001 | and that means? | 22:21 |
| meoblast001 | its like WIndows for Linux? | 22:22 |
| jonpackard | no idea.. im a bit behind on programming.. basically it's a set of libraries for programming | 22:22 |
| meoblast001 | oh | 22:22 |
| meoblast001 | Novel owned? | 22:22 |
| jonpackard | .NET is big in windows programming now.. Novell sponsors it | 22:22 |
| jonpackard | mono that is.. not .NET | 22:23 |
| meoblast001 | oh | 22:23 |
| meoblast001 | so its supposed to encourage programmers to port to linux by easing the porting process? | 22:23 |
| jonpackard | not only that but to add the same capabilities for linux programs as well =) | 22:24 |
| jonpackard | it's not all about porting from windows | 22:24 |
| meoblast001 | oh | 22:25 |
| meoblast001 | that's because Microsoft is evil | 22:25 |
| meoblast001 | we need to make them have to do the same thing | 22:25 |
| jonpackard | lol.. microsoft did pretty darn good for their time.. but that time is ending very quickly | 22:25 |
| meoblast001 | not really | 22:26 |
| meoblast001 | most ppl dont know what an OS is | 22:26 |
| meoblast001 | and as long as it's put on their computer when they buy it | 22:26 |
| meoblast001 | and they recognize it from the commercials | 22:26 |
| meoblast001 | or the name | 22:26 |
| jonpackard | most people don't need to know.. they just want something that works | 22:26 |
| meoblast001 | they'll use it and think that it being slow is normal | 22:26 |
| meoblast | ok | 22:27 |
| meoblast | im back | 22:27 |
| jonpackard | wb =) | 22:28 |
| meoblast | jonpackard: sorry i got disconnected | 22:28 |
| meoblast | so i have to wait for my old name to disappear | 22:28 |
| meoblast | so i can take it back | 22:28 |
| meoblast | anyways | 22:28 |
| meoblast | how are we supposed to make ppl open minded | 22:28 |
| meoblast | and try ubuntu out | 22:28 |
| meoblast | my friend eric completely dispises it but has never used it | 22:28 |
| meoblast | jonpackard: we need to find a way to get ppl in contact with ubuntu and break their adiction to windows | 22:29 |
| jonpackard | lol.. sounds like os prejudice.. how can he hate something he's not seen? | 22:29 |
| pep | one of the ideas is a web-accessed try out... I'm not sure what its technical name is... eyeOS does that for example. | 22:29 |
| meoblast | jonpackard: because i support it | 22:29 |
| meoblast | jonpackard: and this ignorance and stupidity pisses me off | 22:30 |
| meoblast | so he probably finds fun in it | 22:30 |
| jonpackard | lol | 22:30 |
| meoblast | jonpackard: i have another friend with a terrible comptuer virus | 22:30 |
| meoblast | cant open internet explorer | 22:30 |
| meoblast | and he was too pc illiterate to install firefox | 22:30 |
| meoblast | i told him to dual boot with ubuntu | 22:30 |
| meoblast | even gave him my hardy disk | 22:30 |
| meoblast | asked him to try it out | 22:31 |
| meoblast | jonpackard: he wouldnt even stick the disk in and run it in live cd | 22:31 |
| jonpackard | that's one of the best ways to encourage people to switch.. adware/malware/viruses have almost nil affect on Ubuntu | 22:31 |
| meoblast | i got my sister to switch | 22:31 |
| meoblast | this is how | 22:31 |
| meoblast | "the windows can catch on fire when you close them" | 22:31 |
| pep | :) | 22:31 |
| meoblast | and this | 22:31 |
| jonpackard | another great way is to refurb an old PC and donate it | 22:31 |
| meoblast | "that gay popup you get everyday wont happen again.... ever" | 22:31 |
| meoblast | my mom is SUPER computer illiterate but because my PC and my sister's PC have Linux, she is forced to use ours | 22:32 |
| meoblast | she first was very iffy about it | 22:32 |
| meoblast | but now she admits its just as easy as Windows | 22:32 |
| jonpackard | people don't like change.. once Linux gets a firm hold in schools and business, it will make the jump to the desktop very easily.. how do you think MSFT did it? | 22:33 |
| jonpackard | schools is the big thing.. everybody grew up learning Windows | 22:34 |
| meoblast | jonpackard: actually i printed off the ubuntu flyers | 22:34 |
| meoblast | and im going to give them to my ignorant school | 22:35 |
| jonpackard | cool.. I haven't seen the flyers yet | 22:35 |
| meoblast | and hope they dont throw them right in the garbage | 22:35 |
| meoblast | with a live cd | 22:35 |
| meoblast | im waiting it out incase Intrepid comes out before school starts | 22:35 |
| meoblast | i'd rather give them a copy of Intrepid | 22:35 |
| jonpackard | make sure to have http://www.wubi-installer.org/ on there.. "one-click" Ubuntu install inside windows | 22:35 |
| meoblast | jonpackard: OH YEAH | 22:35 |
| meoblast | i forgot | 22:36 |
| meoblast | wubi is in the new cd's =P | 22:36 |
| meoblast | from Hardy + | 22:36 |
| meoblast | didnt know that? | 22:36 |
| jonpackard | i prefer to hand out CDs.. but that is the best way over the net | 22:36 |
| meoblast | ok had to turn compiz fusion on | 22:36 |
| meoblast | they need to make an easier way to adjust window opacity | 22:37 |
| jonpackard | gotta go catch a bus.. perhaps we can continue this tomorrow =) | 22:37 |
| meoblast | i like mine sitting at 85 percent | 22:37 |
| meoblast | k cya | 22:37 |
| meoblast | nice talking to you | 22:37 |
| jonpackard | you can change the opacity steps for Alt-Mousewheel in the compiz-settings-manager | 22:38 |
| jonpackard | ohh you don't usually use compiz | 22:38 |
| jonpackard | nice talking with you too meoblast :) later! | 22:39 |
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