[21:52] <meoblast001> hi
[21:52] <meoblast001> why odnt we ever take the windows aproach?
[21:52] <meoblast001> make a good program
[21:52] <meoblast001> and make it linux only
[21:52] <meoblast001> cut microsoft's balls off
[21:53] <sbc> meoblast001: With open source that is kind of hard. Once you have a great program linux only with the source out there it should be pice of cake to make a windows / OSX port
[21:54] <meoblast001> sbc: we should make a few closed source ones (only a few)
[21:54] <meoblast001> sbc: that is one advantage microsoft has
[21:54] <meoblast001> they get all the programs we hav
[21:54] <meoblast001> e
[21:54] <meoblast001> sure... LMMS is an exclusive
[21:55] <meoblast001> but seriously.... what else is a good Linux exclusive
[21:55] <meoblast001> sbc: are we gonna get silverlight?
[21:56] <sbc> meoblast001: Proberly not right away.
[21:56] <meoblast001> sbc: it said it will only be made for Linux throught Novel
[21:56] <meoblast001> that means... SUsE only right?
[21:58] <sbc> meoblast001: Once they make a suse port it should not be hard bringing it to other linux distributions
[21:58] <meoblast001> sbc: do we currently have a way to convert SUsE packages?
[21:58] <meoblast001> does SUsE use RPM?
[21:58] <meoblast001> never triedSUse
[21:59] <sbc> meoblast001: I'm not sure, but it should not be impossible
[22:00] <meoblast001> sbc: i'll check the wine status on silverlight
[22:00] <meoblast001> i want to see if this is any good
[22:02] <meoblast001> nope it fails
[22:02] <meoblast001> youtube time
[22:12] <jonpackard> ﻿meoblast001: have you seen Moonlight? I think it's still in Beta, but the idea is it's a OSS replacement for Silverlight
[22:12] <jonpackard> here's a link if you're interested: http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight
[22:13] <meoblast001> already there
[22:13] <meoblast001> what do you mean "OSS replacement"
[22:13] <meoblast001> OS replacement?
[22:13] <jonpackard> OSS = open source software
[22:13] <meoblast001> oh
[22:13] <meoblast001> shaweet
[22:13] <meoblast001> installing
[22:14] <jonpackard> like... Gnash hopefully will completely replace adobe flash for most Linux users when it is perfected =)
[22:14] <meoblast001> NOOO
[22:14] <meoblast001> i think different
[22:14] <meoblast001> Adobe should open the flash format up
[22:15] <meoblast001> GNASH is so buggy that the idea of it being good enough is hard to believe
[22:15] <meoblast001> and then Adobe would switch a bunch of stuff and GNASH would need fixed
[22:15] <jonpackard> or another example.. Nouveau can provide 3D for nvidia users instead of using proprietary modules.. it's usuable for older cards but not much love for my Geforce8 series card yet
[22:16] <meoblast001> GeForce8 isnt linux compatible?
[22:16] <meoblast001> moonlight is SLOW
[22:16] <jonpackard> I agree at this time Gnash is very limited.. I tried it and ended up switching back to Flash =(
[22:16] <meoblast001> me too
[22:16] <meoblast001> i havent had any problems with Flash proprietary edition
[22:16] <meoblast001> well
[22:17] <jonpackard> nouveau for Geforce 8 series is not quite there yet
[22:17] <meoblast001> i change my mind
[22:17] <meoblast001> i have
[22:17] <meoblast001> but it was repaired
[22:17] <meoblast001> and i use Wine + Flash 8
[22:17] <meoblast001> runs great
[22:18] <meoblast001> what does moonlight do?
[22:18] <meoblast001> lock up my browser?
[22:18] <meoblast001> its quite good at that
[22:18] <jonpackard> Wine is great but to have to use it for a program that's been ported to Lunix seems odd to me
[22:18] <meoblast001> no
[22:18] <meoblast001> Flash MX 8
[22:18] <jonpackard> ohh... i see
[22:19] <meoblast001> what is mono?
[22:20] <meoblast001> jonpackard: ?
[22:21] <jonpackard> hmm "flash for linux".. still in beta of course =) http://f4l.sourceforge.net/
[22:21] <jonpackard> mono = open source development platform based on the .NET framework
[22:21] <meoblast001> and that means?
[22:22] <meoblast001> its like WIndows for Linux?
[22:22] <jonpackard> no idea.. im a bit behind on programming.. basically it's a set of libraries for programming
[22:22] <meoblast001> oh
[22:22] <meoblast001> Novel owned?
[22:22] <jonpackard> .NET is big in windows programming now.. Novell sponsors it
[22:23] <jonpackard> mono that is.. not .NET
[22:23] <meoblast001> oh
[22:23] <meoblast001> so its supposed to encourage programmers to port to linux by easing the porting process?
[22:24] <jonpackard> not only that but to add the same capabilities for linux programs as well =)
[22:24] <jonpackard> it's not all about porting from windows
[22:25] <meoblast001> oh
[22:25] <meoblast001> that's because Microsoft is evil
[22:25] <meoblast001> we need to make them have to do the same thing
[22:25] <jonpackard> lol.. microsoft did pretty darn good for their time.. but that time is ending very quickly
[22:26] <meoblast001> not really
[22:26] <meoblast001> most ppl dont know what an OS is
[22:26] <meoblast001> and as long as it's put on their computer when they buy it
[22:26] <meoblast001> and they recognize it from the commercials
[22:26] <meoblast001> or the name
[22:26] <jonpackard> most people don't need to know.. they just want something that works
[22:26] <meoblast001> they'll use it and think that it being slow is normal
[22:27] <meoblast> ok
[22:27] <meoblast> im back
[22:28] <jonpackard> wb =)
[22:28] <meoblast> jonpackard: sorry i got disconnected
[22:28] <meoblast> so i have to wait for my old name to disappear
[22:28] <meoblast> so i can take it back
[22:28] <meoblast> anyways
[22:28] <meoblast> how are we supposed to make ppl open minded
[22:28] <meoblast> and try ubuntu out
[22:28] <meoblast> my friend eric completely dispises it but has never used it
[22:29] <meoblast> jonpackard: we need to find a way to get ppl in contact with ubuntu and break their adiction to windows
[22:29] <jonpackard> lol.. sounds like os prejudice.. how can he hate something he's not seen?
[22:29] <pep> one of the ideas is a web-accessed try out... I'm not sure what its technical name is... eyeOS does that for example.
[22:29] <meoblast> jonpackard: because i support it
[22:30] <meoblast> jonpackard: and this ignorance and stupidity pisses me off
[22:30] <meoblast> so he probably finds fun in it
[22:30] <jonpackard> lol
[22:30] <meoblast> jonpackard: i have another friend with a terrible comptuer virus
[22:30] <meoblast> cant open internet explorer
[22:30] <meoblast> and he was too pc illiterate to install firefox
[22:30] <meoblast> i told him to dual boot with ubuntu
[22:30] <meoblast> even gave him my hardy disk
[22:31] <meoblast> asked him to try it out
[22:31] <meoblast> jonpackard: he wouldnt even stick the disk in and run it in live cd
[22:31] <jonpackard> that's one of the best ways to encourage people to switch.. adware/malware/viruses have almost nil affect on Ubuntu
[22:31] <meoblast> i got my sister to switch
[22:31] <meoblast> this is how
[22:31] <meoblast> "the windows can catch on fire when you close them"
[22:31] <pep> :)
[22:31] <meoblast> and this
[22:31] <jonpackard> another great way is to refurb an old PC and donate it
[22:31] <meoblast> "that gay popup you get everyday wont happen again.... ever"
[22:32] <meoblast> my mom is SUPER computer illiterate but because my PC and my sister's PC have Linux, she is forced to use ours
[22:32] <meoblast> she first was very iffy about it
[22:32] <meoblast> but now she admits its just as easy as Windows
[22:33] <jonpackard> people don't like change.. once Linux gets a firm hold in schools and business, it will make the jump to the desktop very easily.. how do you think MSFT did it?
[22:34] <jonpackard> schools is the big thing.. everybody grew up learning Windows
[22:34] <meoblast> jonpackard: actually i printed off the ubuntu flyers
[22:35] <meoblast> and im going to give them to my ignorant school
[22:35] <jonpackard> cool.. I haven't seen the flyers yet
[22:35] <meoblast> and hope they dont throw them right in the garbage
[22:35] <meoblast> with a live cd
[22:35] <meoblast> im waiting it out incase Intrepid comes out before school starts
[22:35] <meoblast> i'd rather give them a copy of Intrepid
[22:35] <jonpackard> make sure to have http://www.wubi-installer.org/ on there.. "one-click" Ubuntu install inside windows
[22:35] <meoblast> jonpackard: OH YEAH
[22:36] <meoblast> i forgot
[22:36] <meoblast> wubi is in the new cd's =P
[22:36] <meoblast> from Hardy +
[22:36] <meoblast> didnt know that?
[22:36] <jonpackard> i prefer to hand out CDs.. but that is the best way over the net
[22:36] <meoblast> ok had to turn compiz fusion on
[22:37] <meoblast> they need to make an easier way to adjust window opacity
[22:37] <jonpackard> gotta go catch a bus.. perhaps we can continue this tomorrow =)
[22:37] <meoblast> i like mine sitting at 85 percent
[22:37] <meoblast> k cya
[22:37] <meoblast> nice talking to you
[22:38] <jonpackard> you can change the opacity steps for Alt-Mousewheel in the compiz-settings-manager
[22:38] <jonpackard> ohh you don't usually use compiz
[22:39] <jonpackard> nice talking with you too meoblast :) later!