[01:35] <Nebbuchanezzar> hello...i have a quick question...
[01:37] <Nebbuchanezzar> i currently have an HTC wing, and am looking to replace it...i stumbled upon the UME FAQ on the ubuntu site, and am very intrigued...however, i was wondering, are there any recommended devices? i read about the lpia, and all, but cant seem to find any actual products, just white-papers, and the sort...any help would be greatly appreciated...
[16:15] <netdur> can ubuntu-mobile (or notebook) be installed on pc?
[16:18] <BenLauDC> yes , but it will erase the partition
[16:19] <netdur> thanks
[16:22] <netdur> which image I should download?
[16:41] <persia> netdur: mccaslin likely works best for a PC, although you'll likely have to fuss with drivers anyway, so the menlow image may be just as good.
[16:41] <netdur> Thank you
[16:41] <BenLauDC> It is better to run inside a virtual machine
[16:44] <netdur> I got old pcs (p2 & p3), I wanna try ubuntu-mobile as replacement for puppylinux
[16:44] <persia> Yes.  Either a virtual machine or a small high-DPI laptop (or similar device) if you have one.
[16:44] <persia> Running on a regular PC tends to look fairly bad, and can be frustrating to use directly.
[16:45] <netdur> why?
[16:46] <persia> It looks bad because the images are targeted at a high-DPI environment, so tend to look blurry or pixellated at e.g. 86 DPI.  The virtual machine doesn't really help with that.
[16:47] <persia> It can be frustrating to use directly for normal computing activities due to the small number of included applications and nature of the interface: the current images are very much designed for limited environments, and do not well take advantage of larger equipment.
[16:47] <netdur> is regular tv a "high-DPI"
[16:48] <persia> Depends on the size of the TV :)
[16:48] <netdur> (because at end of day, those pc are just test bed for media center)
[16:48] <netdur> ok
[16:48] <persia> Regular TV is typically QVGA, so at e.g. 200 DPIm it would be a screen about 1.6" x 1.2"
[16:49] <persia> As much as I like Ubuntu Mobile, for a media centre, I suspect you'd be better served by Mythbuntu.
[16:49] <netdur> nah! I checked that, myth too bloated
[16:50] <netdur> and a nightmare from usability view
[16:51] <persia> Hmm.  It's fairly similar in terms of minimums.  While Ubuntu Mobile is known to work well with 800MHz processors, those are the Intel A110s, which tend to do more per clock than many processors.  Less than 256MB RAM would be painful, and 512MB would be better (I use 1024 on a 800MHz A110, and it still feels slow).
[16:52] <persia> On the other hand, if usability is your issue, please take a look: it may be that some combination of the packages used in both environments will work for you.
[17:18] <netdur> do ubuntu support processor C7?
[17:22] <persia> Ubuntu does, but only for the i386 architecture.  The current Ubuntu Mobile images are only available for the lpia architecture.  As a result, the process of getting Ubuntu Mobile to work on a C7 is not well understood.
[17:23] <persia> This is in large part a result of the late release of Ubuntu Mobile for 8.04, and may not be such an issue for 8.10 (but is certainly awkward today).
[17:26] <netdur> thanks
[17:28] <BenLauDC> I could built for EeePC using i386 package, so I think it is fine, but ofcoz you may need to adjust few packages
[17:28]  * cody-somerville wonders if git is supposed to segfault or glibc barf everytime he tries to use it to clone.
[17:29] <persia> Yeah.  There's a lot of lpia-specific hacks on the core packages, which makes the i386 version a little odd.
[17:29] <persia> cody-somerville: What's happening now?
[17:33] <cody-somerville> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/29347/
[17:33] <cody-somerville> persia, I tried twice before as well and it segfaulted both times.
[17:35] <cody-somerville> I think it occurs when it can't connect or something. I'll try again in a little bit.
[17:36] <persia> cody-somerville: Absolutely no idea why you get that.  Also, I find that M-I-C to be even more broken than others, and recommend dget http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mobile/ubuntu/pool/main/m/moblin-image-creator/moblin-image-creator_0.44+repack-0ubuntu12~804um2.dsc
[17:36] <cody-somerville> ok
[17:37] <cody-somerville> thanks
[17:37] <persia> Also, you seem to be missing some dbgsym packages that make the backtrace less than useful.  It's likely worth filing a bug against git, as it oughtn't segfault ever (nothing should)
[17:40]  * cody-somerville nods.
[18:53] <jeward> Hi, can I expect to run ubuntu mobile on a Nokia n810 anytime soon?
[18:57] <persia> jeward: There's two outstanding issues, and no published schedule for either.  Firstly, Ubuntu doesn't run on ARM.  Secondly, that hardware has some bits for which there are no free drivers.
[18:58] <persia> Several people have compiled Ubuntu for ARM in various ways, and there is a Debian armel port, so the first mostly needs work and hosting.
[18:58] <jeward> So maybe never.
[18:58] <persia> The second is more problematic, and the answer may be never, although some people may be working to reverse engineer what is needed (I don't know for sure).
[18:58] <jeward> What's the best channel to talk about the n810 on?
[18:59] <persia> I'm not sure.
[19:08] <jeward> Hmmm: http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS2097004728.html
[19:09] <persia> Yep.  That's one of the efforts to compile Ubuntu for ARM.  I've only heard good things.
[19:15] <ogra> persia, hey, so how is the heatwave up there ? 
[19:16] <ogra> seems you are not dropping off that often anymore
[19:17] <persia> ogra: A new ambient fan and compressed air can do wonders.  Now if only it were a "heat wave" rather than just summer :)
[19:19] <jeward> This means what in terms of ARM nomenclature: TI OMAP 2420, 400Mhz
[19:19] <jeward>  
[19:19] <ogra> heh
[19:20] <persia> Texas Instruments, (chip type) (model number) (clock speed)
[19:20] <jeward> Yeah, I'm wonderingt how that translates into ARM?
[19:20] <jeward> ARMv5EL for example.
[19:21] <persia> That sounds roughly right off the top of my head, but I'm not 100% sure.
[22:28] <JCante> are there any MIDs that ship with Ubuntu Mobile?
[22:28] <JCante> and are there any that support it that are affordable and don't suck?
[23:14] <Cody> Hello