[03:18] <chh111> any one can help me,i got a problem when upgrading to 8.10
[03:19] <chh111> Errors were encountered while processing:
[03:19] <chh111>  python-cairo
[03:19] <chh111>  samba-common
[03:19] <chh111>  bash-completion
[03:19] <chh111>  ufw
[03:19] <chh111>  libsensors3
[03:19] <chh111>  libpaper1
[03:19] <chh111>  linux-image-2.6.26-4-generic
[03:19] <chh111>  libxau6
[03:19] <chh111>  libxcb1
[03:20] <RAOF> You don't want to paste the rest of that :)
[03:20] <RAOF> !pastebin
[03:20] <chh111> thanks
[03:21] <chh111> http://paste.ubuntu.com/29464/
[03:22] <chh111> btw,can you help me with that
[03:22] <RAOF> Read only file system? :)
[03:23] <chh111> yes
[03:23] <chh111> i don't know why
[03:23] <RAOF> The more interesting information would be: how did you update, and at what stage did it fail?
[03:24]  * RAOF is also somewhat surprised by root@hostname; that's not particularly common :)
[03:24] <chh111> i changed my sources.list file,replace the "hardy" with "Intrepid"
[03:24] <chh111> and apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:24] <RAOF> Then fired up a bit of a dist-upgrade?  Hm.
[03:25] <RAOF> So, it looks like your root is mounted read-only, possibly due to errors?
[03:25] <RAOF> Also, that's not really the way you're meant to upgrade (but should work, regardless).
[03:25] <chh111> i think there may be some thing with the harddisk
[03:26] <RAOF> Yes.  And this is a symptom of crazy harddisc hijinks.
[03:26] <RAOF> The output of dmesg may be enlightening.
[03:29] <chh111> http://paste.ubuntu.com/29467/
[03:29] <chh111> here it is
[03:30] <RAOF> Hm.  And the output of 'mount'?
[03:31] <chh111> http://paste.ubuntu.com/29468/
[03:36] <chh111> http://paste.ubuntu.com/29470/
[03:37] <RAOF>  !!!
[03:37] <chh111> the owner of these files have errors
[03:37] <RAOF> Nice filesystem corruption :)
[03:38] <chh111> i used e2fsck to have a check ,but it's no use
[03:38] <RAOF> Well, you could try chown'ing everything there to root, but who knows what else has been broken?
[03:39] <chh111> brwxr-xr-x 1 root  604306992 69, 139 1939-09-13 00:41 /var/lib/dpkg/info/libxau6.postinst
[03:40] <chh111> here i changed one
[03:40] <RAOF> Yes; your filesystem's at least partially corrupt.  Any idea what caused that?
[03:40] <RAOF> Because if it's just some hardware dying there's not much point in fixing the current problem!
[03:41] <chh111> can't we just chang the ownership to fix these problems
[03:44] <chh111> when i upgrading the system,i got tons of dependency errors and i fix it all,leaving only these critical ones
[03:45] <murlidhar>  this is what i get when i try to install obconf
[03:45] <murlidhar> E: Broken packages
[03:45] <RAOF> After changing the ownership you should be able to run "sudo dpkg -a --configure" again.
[03:46] <RAOF> Maybe you'll need to fix some permissions, to.
[03:46] <RAOF> too.
[03:46] <chh111> these files "time" also have problems
[03:46] <chh111> srwxr-xr-x 1 1166746692 2332558473   0 1989-04-13 19:48 /var/lib/dpkg/info/libxcb1.postinst
[03:46] <murlidhar> how should i fix it
[03:46] <chh111> 1989?
[03:47] <murlidhar> lol
[03:47] <RAOF> You can probably ignore that.
[03:47] <chh111> i'll try,thank you
[03:47] <RAOF> But, again, filesystem corruption means many bets are off.
[03:48] <RAOF> Oh, and that file is apparently 0 bytes long, which is going to be somewhat of a problem.
[03:48] <murlidhar> how should i fix the package dependency problem of obconf
[03:48]  * RAOF suggests chasing down the source of the filesystem corruption, and then reinstalling.
[03:48] <murlidhar> !info obconf
[03:48] <RAOF> murlidhar: Dunno.  That depends on how it's broken.
[03:49] <murlidhar>  libobparser16
[03:49] <murlidhar> libobrender16
[03:49] <RAOF> Again, that's not very informative.
[03:49] <RAOF> And it's entirely possible that it's just broken.
[03:50] <murlidhar> can i paste four lines here?
[03:50] <izanbardprince> I actually got my hopes up that GRUB was no longer stupid
[03:50] <izanbardprince> Ubuntu's alternate installer lets you use XFS for /boot
[03:50] <izanbardprince> and *then* tells you you need LILO
[03:50] <murlidhar> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[03:50] <murlidhar>   obconf: Depends: libobparser16 but it is not going to be installed
[03:50] <murlidhar>           Depends: libobrender16 but it is not going to be installed
[03:50] <murlidhar> E: Broken packages
[03:50] <murlidhar> murlidhar@ubuntu-desktop:~$
[03:51] <RAOF> murlidhar: Might be better in a pastebin.  And you want to paste the whole output of whatever you're trying to do.
[03:51] <murlidhar> k
[03:51] <RAOF> But now you need to work out why libobparser16 isn't installable.
[03:51] <RAOF> Same for libobrender16.
[03:52] <RAOF> Somewhere in there you'll find the problem, and can file a bug.
[03:52] <izanbardprince> I'm pretty sure that when GRUB is fixed to work with ext4, XFS will also work
[03:52] <murlidhar> RAOF, http://paste.ubuntu.com/29472/
[03:52] <izanbardprince> for some reason it think's it's ok to sleep right after initializing the boot partition
[03:53] <RAOF> Why?  Sure, they both support "extents", and that might make it easier to support XFS, but surely it's still extra work.
[03:53] <murlidhar> no i did it in 7 minutes . the base installation of course
[03:53] <LSD|Ninja> GRUB works with XFS, the problem is the godawful grub-install program doesn't
[03:53] <murlidhar> izanbardprince, ^
[03:54] <izanbardprince> ext4 is basically a cheap knockoff of stuff that was already in Reiser4 and XFS
[03:54] <izanbardprince> I really have no idea what the point was
[03:54] <murlidhar> RAOF, should i file a bug?
[03:54] <crdlb> to be compatible with ext3?
[03:54] <RAOF> That you can extend an already nice and stable and supported filesystem rather than writing a new and crazy one?
[03:54] <crdlb> also, XFS has no place on a system without a very good UPS
[03:55] <izanbardprince> meh, it's not that hard to tar and untar
[03:55] <murlidhar> !bugs
[03:55] <RAOF> See point: dataloss with XFS, and unsupportedness of Reiser4
[03:55] <izanbardprince> RAOF: XFS has been around forever
[03:55] <RAOF> And it _still_ regularly loses data on powerloss.
[03:55] <izanbardprince> and most of the data loss bugs are due to Linux not being as good as IRIX in many ways
[03:55] <izanbardprince> and were fixed in 2.6.25 anyway
[03:55] <izanbardprince> which Hardy doesn't have
[03:55] <RAOF> When I lose data, I don't care what the reason was.
[03:56] <izanbardprince> XFS is reliable as long as you are not using a kernel earlier than 2.6.25
[03:56] <LSD|Ninja> Actually, SGI machines runnign Irix had the hardware to signal the OS to dump the write cache on XFS before the power went out. PC hardware doesn't
[03:56] <murlidhar> i am pretty satisfied with ext3
[03:56] <LSD|Ninja> I ran XFS without a UPS for years with no dramas - even on a machine that was getting shutdown uncleanly all the time
[03:57] <izanbardprince> thats why you use a UPS
[03:57] <izanbardprince> :P
[03:57] <LSD|Ninja> The only time I ever had significant data loss using XFS was back with 2.4.22 and that was a crappy kernel anyway
[03:58] <izanbardprince> Linux 2.6's VM made running XFS a lot easier
[04:00] <izanbardprince> the only excuse to run 2.4 is on an embedded system or something
[04:29] <murlidhar> #243795
[04:30] <murlidhar> RAOF, bug:243795
[04:30] <murlidhar> can u too confirm it?
[04:48] <murlidhar>  hi
[04:49] <murlidhar> a
[05:37] <sharpie> Is it safe to upgrade?
[05:37] <AtomicSpark> sharpie, no.
[05:38] <sharpie> I'm already running intrepid, i mean is there any major breakage?
[05:39] <AtomicSpark> sharpie, well since you're already running it. I would upgrade. It's fun! But to answer your question, I don't know.
[05:39] <sharpie> heh okay thanks
[05:40] <sharpie> I dont have a wireless card or ethernet card unless i run intrepid
[05:40] <sharpie> they aren't picked up by hardy
[05:56] <sharpie> How do I disable PCspeaker in Intrepid, the module doesn't seem to be the same.  Anyone have an idea?
[05:59] <LSD|Ninja> sharpie: It's something to do with PulseAudio as far as I can tell
[06:00] <sharpie> pcspkr goes through pulseaudio?
[06:03] <LSD|Ninja> something like that
[06:04] <LSD|Ninja> I honestly have no idea why they've decided that the PC Speaker is a valid output source, it's not like there aren't better options available these days
[06:11] <RAOF> It's and ALSA problem; alsa is now presenting the pcspk as an output source, which seems not totally unreasonable, but pulse then tries to use it for the default output (because it gets the primary ALSA number).
[06:12] <LSD|Ninja> Ah, so once again, it's ALSA's fault. Figures.
[06:13] <RAOF> Well, a combination of ALSA and pulse, really.
[06:13] <LSD|Ninja> The fact we need crap like Pulse is ALSA's fault too
[06:13] <RAOF> Not really.
[06:13] <RAOF> Even if ALSA were a perfect driver framework we'd still want pulse; it does different things.
[06:16] <LSD|Ninja> like what?
[06:17] <RAOF> Network transparency is really nice.
[06:17] <RAOF> Also, sample caching.
[06:18] <RAOF> Per-stream volume?
[06:19] <RAOF> "Ability to play 2 sounds at once" is pretty much the least of pulse's capabilities.
[06:24] <LSD|Ninja> Yeah, but if ALSA had been designed properly in the first it'd be able to handle this stuff without additional crap on top
[06:26] <LSD|Ninja> The problem with a lot of open source development though is that it focusses too much on the present and nowhere near enough thought is given to the future
[06:26] <RAOF> I don't think you want network transparency in your kernel driver framework.
[06:27] <RAOF> This seems to be very much the right idea; kernelspace should do as little as possible.
[06:33] <Honcho501> hi
[06:34] <Honcho501> is anyone having problems with add/remove applications?
[11:04] <tanath> anyone know why mouse thumb buttons work in some apps, but not others?
[11:05] <tanath> mine work in firefox, and a windows file manager i run with wine, but not in other browsers, like opera, nor in nautilus
[16:51] <jbroome> woohoo, kvm update in hardy lets me run ibex VMs now
[16:58] <baron1984> Intrepid was horribly fubar, at least on this machine
[16:59] <baron1984> I'll probably check back when it hits beta
[17:00] <jbroome> baron1984: yeah, that's why i have it in a VM. :)
[17:05]  * w00t is running it on his laptop
[17:06] <w00t> works okay, though a few upgrade hiccups
[22:45] <lieter> Hello :)
[22:47] <lieter> i've got a question: In the alternative install CD, how can i tell the installer to install GRUB on the partition i've installed II (which is (hd0,2) for GRUB)?
[22:47] <TheInfinity> lieter: afaik you can set this in grub options
[22:48] <lieter> ok, but in my experience with the alternate installer ive never once found that option
[22:48] <TheInfinity> alternate cd, not the first boot entry
[22:48] <TheInfinity> the first entry is just a default system installed without live system but not with much more options
[22:49] <lieter> TheInfinity, ok when it's done burning the cd i'll try :)
[22:53] <kint[o]> hello, i'm having some driver problems :( .. namely, my nvidia stuff isn't detected, and 'system > admin > hardwaredrivers ... doesn't open anything
[22:54] <TheInfinity> kint[o]: searched launchpad for it?
[22:55] <kint[o]> no
[22:55] <kint[o]> i have not
[22:55] <TheInfinity> do so :)
[22:57] <kint[o]> ohh found it
[22:57] <kint[o]> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules/+bug/245972
[23:01] <lymeca> I'm using radeonhd and my Xorg process consistently takes over 50% CPU time on KDE4.
[23:01] <lymeca> I have a dual core processor with 2.0GHz each core
[23:06] <lieter> netttttttttt splittttttt