[01:37] <persia> nalioth: Thanks.
[01:38] <nalioth> np
[03:58] <kevinO> hello, is there a image i can download that will install on my pc?
[03:59] <kevinO> i see mccaslin and menlow but id do not see one for just normal pc
[04:02] <cody-somerville> You can run it in Xephyr
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[04:08] <csomerville-ume> tada
[04:11] <kevinO> i cant run it in xorg?
[04:14] <kevinO> csomerville-ume, i have hardy installed, i just installed ubuntu-mobile so how do i set ubuntu mobile to start instead of gnome
[04:16] <csomerville-ume> I installed it in a chroot myself.
[04:19] <kevinO> i dont know what that means
[04:20] <kevinO> i just want to try it out
[04:20] <kevinO> lol
[04:23] <kevinO> ...
[04:23] <csomerville-ume> Sorry, I'm preparing for bed.
[04:24] <csomerville-ume> But lots of helpful information can be found here at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded
[04:31] <kevinO> how do i make hildon-desktop the deafult desktop? or is that the wrong way to do it
[04:45] <BenLauDC> kevinO : http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4093600&postcount=6
[07:18] <frenzy42> can you install the mobile ubuntu on any device?
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[12:52] <burn_> hi guys, can i install UBuntu Mobile on my o2 xda stealth?
[14:07] <DNi2> hi
[14:07] <DNi2> is ume a real image now ? 
[14:08] <DNi2> i mean with installer , possibility of making dual-boot durring install
[14:08] <DNi2> and others things...
[14:08] <DNi2> another question, is there a difference with ubuntu netbook-remix ?
[16:48] <guruz> hello folks.
[16:50] <guruz> Is there any ETA when the netbook remix will come out/
[16:50] <guruz> I know, I could install now.. but I'd prefer to wait until all rough edges are gone
[17:02] <persia> guruz: How do you mean?  While I'm not deeply familiar with the netbook remix, I thought it was released with the announcement some time ago.
[17:03] <swirv> guruz the acer aspire one, which I also have a few of, are almost identical to the wind... smaller screen and 1.8" hdd or sdd
[17:03] <swirv> I think the wireless card in the one will work better than the Wind.
[17:04] <swirv> then netbook remix is just a handfull of packages that you install ..
[17:04] <swirv> Be sure you turn off desktop effects before you install the packages.. 
[17:05] <swirv> You do not need/want compiz running with the netbook GUI.
[17:20] <whadar> can I test the remix on a normal PC?
[17:20] <whadar> I want to check out hildon GUI
[17:20] <persia> whadar: I don't think netbook remix uses hildon.
[17:21] <whadar> oh
[17:21] <persia> If you want to look at hildon, I suggest using the mccaslin image for ubuntu-mobile (URL in the /topic).
[17:21] <persia> That ought to work (mostly) on many normal PCs, although it will reinstall.
[17:22] <persia> The more common choice is to try the interface in a VM, for which the KVM image (at the same URL) is likely the best choice.
[17:23] <whadar> so other than being compatible with these laptops hardware, what makes the remix image different than plain ubuntu?
[17:23] <whadar> I thought it uses some special gui
[17:31] <persia> whadar: I'm not very familiar with the remix, but it does have some GUI changes, but it's only four packages.  Ubuntu Mobile is a mostly different set of packages, and has a completely different interface.
[18:39] <GrueMaster> I'm trying to track an ALSA power issue, and noticed that the core of the sound drivers are built into the kernel.  Is there a reason for this?  They should be loaded as modules, so that they can be reloaded with debugging info compiled in.
[18:41] <persia> GrueMaster: Most of the modules were compiled into the kernel just before the hardy release to reduce boot times.
[18:42] <GrueMaster> hmmm.  I don't see alsa providing much gain there, but ok.
[18:43] <persia> It's not alsa specifically, it was to skip the modprobe delay when parsing modules.dep, etc.
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[21:00] <lool> GrueMaster: Actually alsa modules are numerous and interdepedent; for some reason modprove is slow, and serializes loads; with the modules in kernel, 
[21:01] <lool> module init is much faster
[21:01] <GrueMaster> Well, there are some issues with the version of alsa that is built in, namely that the audio codec never sleeps.  
[21:01] <GrueMaster> I'm trying to debug it, but I guess I'll need to rebuild the kernel first.
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[22:23] <ajehals> Just looking at the Ubuntu MIB pages at present, wondered if there is any chance that older devices that are currently well supported under linux (like the some of the Ipaq's) are likley to see support in the future (I know its ARM) or if anyone is quietly working on it atm, I have a few Ipaqs currently running Gentoo and would like to play with this at some point...