[02:52] <menblack> anyone online?
[02:52] <menblack> if my pc has an amd card, should I download the amd64 version?
[03:45] <kgoetz> does someone have a good explaination of how the TCNG htb works? i'm unsure how the rate and ceil relate
[03:45] <kgoetz> and how they relate to the whole connection
[03:49] <b2z> Hey all: I'm trying to set up Link Aggregation, and when I start up the networking service, I get 'Illegal Operation: The specified slave interface 'eth0' is already a slave". Any ideas? Thanks...
[03:53] <michael_b> ... anyone??
[03:54] <kgoetz> anyone what?
[03:55] <b2z> sorry
[03:55] <b2z> i changed my nickname accidentally
[03:55] <b2z> I'm trying to set up Link Aggregation
[03:55] <b2z> the original question i posed is:
[03:55] <b2z> Hey all: I'm trying to set up Link Aggregation, and when I start up the networking service, I get 'Illegal Operation: The specified slave interface 'eth0' is already a slave". Any ideas? Thanks...
[03:57] <b2z> ... any ideas on this kgoetz?
[03:58] <b2z> ??
[03:58] <b2z> anyone??
[04:08] <Chipzz> b2z: if no-one is answering, that's most likely because there is no-one present who can answer. There is no need to repeat yourself
[04:13] <b2z> ok - had no acknowledgement until now.. I thought my internet connection may have been a bit dodgy!
[04:13] <Chipzz> you may have noticed the general absence of activity - which is most likely because most people are asleep
[04:14] <b2z> ahh ok, tried asking on #ubuntu but nothing at all!
[04:14] <Chipzz> hehe
[04:15] <Chipzz> good luck getting any usefull answer on #ubuntu other then an answer to a FAQ ;P
[04:15] <b2z> its kinda an urgent one too... i'm removing all traces of link aggregation and I'll give it another go
[04:16] <Chipzz> you could try the wiki, although somehow I have my doubts :p
[04:17] <b2z> yeah i tried - found a few resources through Google, but they say a few different things
[04:17] <b2z> maybe i should look for nic bonding in debian? do you think I'd have more luck??
[04:20] <Chipzz> that would be a good bet
[04:20] <Chipzz> also
[04:20] <Chipzz> every debian (and ubuntu) package includes some form of documentation in /usr/share/doc/<package>/
[04:21] <Chipzz> README.Debian (if present for your package) would be a good bet to read
[04:21] <Chipzz> such file (if present) includes documentation on how things are done in debian/ubuntu
[04:25] <Chipzz> for example, /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian includes a pointer to /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz, which is one way of setting up wireless with wpa in Debian
[06:52] <nxvl> soren: where is u-vm-builder branch stored? is it still lp:~ubuntu-virt/ubuntu-jeos/python-rewrite ?
[06:52] <nxvl> (cause that branch is buggy)
[07:06] <soren> nxvl: Yes, that's the right url.
[07:07] <nxvl> soren: :D
[07:07] <nxvl> soren: distro.py has identation errors
[07:07] <nxvl> issues*
[07:07] <nxvl> also
[07:08] <nxvl> is there any reason for the error being raised with the whole backtrace or just random behavior
[07:09] <soren> "the error"?
[07:10] <nxvl> soren: http://paste.ubuntu.com/29525/
[07:10] <nxvl> distro.py patch
[07:10] <nxvl> soren: http://paste.ubuntu.com/29526/
[07:11] <nxvl> ugly and not friendly error
[07:11] <soren> Hm... I seem to have neglected to push a few things.
[07:11] <nxvl> please push them to work on the latest version
[07:11] <nxvl> i'm wrinting (or understanding the code to write) debian support
[07:12] <soren> I've not yet entirely split errors into user errors and internal errors. Until then, it's more helpful to provide a full backtrace.
[07:12] <nxvl> well yes, it's development still, so it sound fair enough
[07:14] <nxvl> i love -o option
[07:14] <nxvl> :D
[07:14] <soren> I can't really push my changes right now. It's in the middle of a rewrite of certain core things, so it's break a lot of stuff.
[07:15] <soren> nxvl: Why?
[07:15] <nxvl> also i was wondering, why do all ubuntu version depend on the previous one
[07:15] <nxvl> soren: because i hate to write: "rm -rf folder; ubuntu-vm-builder bla bla bla"
[07:17] <nxvl> also if i can configure it on ~/.ubuntu-vm-builder it will not even needed to write -o
[07:17] <soren> It's called inheritance... Every Ubuntu version is based on the previous one. We don't scrap everything every time we start a new release. We build upon the previous one.
[07:17] <nxvl> yes, i know
[07:17] <nxvl> but when dapper comes out of support would yo need to move things from one .py to other?
[07:17] <soren> Probably.
[07:18] <soren> What do you suggest instead?
[07:19] <nxvl> so, then why not to write a library that handles that and having the classes inheriting from it instead of from the previuos version
[07:19] <nxvl> (i have only take a quick look so i might be saying bullshit)
[07:21] <nxvl> btw, have you already being working on a manpage or are you accepting patches?
[07:22] <soren> No documentation yet at all.
[07:23] <nxvl> some register setting can also be striped out of ubuntu/distro.py into a generic distro library
[07:23] <soren> I just don't see the point of putting it into a base class and having everything inherit from that. What's the gain?
[07:23] <soren> I'd have to e.g. duplicate all the quirks from Gutsy into Hardy and Intrepid.
[07:23] <soren> That's pointless.
[07:24] <nxvl> some of the options can be used on other distros also and avoid code duplication
[07:24] <soren> They inherit in the real world, so why not in the code?
[07:24] <soren> We can deal with that when other distros come along.
[07:24] <nxvl> yeah, that's why i'm commenting on that, i'm working on debian support
[07:24] <nxvl> the gain? easy of maintaince
[07:25] <nxvl> and avoid the need to move code every 6 months
[07:25] <soren> But that's the entire point! This is the the way that gives the least maintenance.
[07:25] <soren> Dude!
[07:25] <soren> This is the way we *avoid* copying the code.
[07:25] <soren> Dapper is supported until 2011.
[07:26] <soren> With your approach I'd have to copy everything from Gutsy into Hardy and Intrepid.
[07:26] <nxvl> but not edgy
[07:26] <soren> And every time I fixed a bug in Gutsy,  I'd have to copy the fix to Hardy and Intrepid.
[07:26] <nxvl> or use a library
[07:27] <nxvl> s/library/module/
[07:27] <soren> If you really think that's a more useful approach, write up a patch, and I'll consider it.
[07:28] <nxvl> yep i will take a better look
[07:28] <soren> I doubt it'll be much use, though.
[07:28] <nxvl> as i said before i just taked a quick one and have that question on mind
[07:28] <soren> Hardy inherits from Gutsy. That's simply a matter of facts. Also, Ubuntu inherits from Debian.
[07:29] <nxvl> after seeing the distro inherit chain, so i kind of found it odd, so i was just asking
[07:29] <nxvl> :D
[07:29] <nxvl> but yes i will consider on sending a patch after a better look
[07:29] <nxvl> but be sure i will work on a manpage
[07:30] <soren> Cool.
[07:30] <nxvl> every option is documented on the code, isn't it?
[07:30] <soren> Yes.
[07:30] <nxvl> it will be just a matter of getting them from there and write a nice file
[07:30] <nxvl> btw
[07:30] <soren> The most useful approach to writing a man page would be to extract it programmatically.
[07:31] <nxvl> i get really impressed to see you documenting everything to the point that i understan everything on the first and quick look
[07:31] <nxvl> :D
[07:31] <soren> You could write a pluging that does it.
[07:31] <soren> :)
[07:31] <nxvl> soren: yes, that's a man page
[07:31] <nxvl> actually i was about to write a shell script to do it
[07:34] <soren> Erm... ok.
[07:35] <soren> So you'd parse python.... using shell?
[07:35] <nxvl> also, it's a bug or a feature that using ./vmbuilder --help i have a limited set of option and using ./vmbuilder kvm ubuntu --help i get a complete set of options
[07:35] <nxvl> soren: no, parse --help output
[07:36] <nxvl> (btw, it's 1:36 am here, so don't expect much from my tired brain)
[07:36] <soren> Well, the --help output doesn't list all the options from all the plugins.
[07:37] <soren> Well, you don't know which options will be available until you've chosen the distro and hypervisor.
[07:37] <nxvl> yeah, but it sould be mentioned somewhere on the ./ --help output
[07:38] <nxvl> something like "to see more options try: bla bla bla"
[07:38] <nxvl> i will work on it
[07:38] <nxvl> but tomorrow when my brain works again
[07:39] <nxvl> it's a PITA to work on an IT audit area having an economist as a boss
[07:39] <nxvl> it's just wrong
[07:41] <soren> Yeah, I've been there too, actually.
[07:42] <nxvl> he want's me to write a tool that allows he to manage tables as in a spreadsheet document, having permision per column, and add or delete columns whenever he want
[07:42] <nxvl> my brains goes upside every time i need to look at the database or model it
[07:43] <nxvl> AND
[07:43] <nxvl> he wants the tool to import from xls files
[07:43] <soren> Sounds like fun.
[07:43] <soren> Heh :)
[07:43] <nxvl> not fun at all
[07:43] <nxvl> i was like "fine, django and everything would be perfect"
[07:44] <nxvl> but then i realize that it would be really hard to manage dynamic tables on django
[07:44] <nxvl> so i just decide to use crapy php for crapy aplication
[08:19] <nxvl> soren: i forgot to ask you
[08:19] <nxvl> soren: what versioned build-dependency on nasm?
[08:19] <nxvl> (Bug 247470)
[08:20] <soren> nxvl: Ok, sorry. Not nasm. binutils.
[08:21] <nxvl> soren: what's a change done on debian
[08:21] <soren> Whuh?
[08:21] <soren> So the debdiff is between which two versions?
[08:21] <nxvl> wait
[08:21]  * nxvl checks
[08:22] <soren> Still, documenting that you've done something that is mandatory, and *always* happens is pointless. It's just noise.
[08:22] <nxvl> right
[08:23] <nxvl> i removed the changed line
[08:23] <soren> I'm not sure I know what you mean.
[08:25] <nxvl> don't worry is not important
[08:25] <nxvl> for some reason i removed the debian changed line and left the ubuntu (on build-depends)
[08:25] <nxvl> ok
[08:25] <nxvl> new patch uploaded
[08:27] <soren> Looks great.
[08:28] <soren> Just one last thing I want to check... hang on.
[08:29] <nxvl> ok
[08:30] <soren> Oh, one last thing:
[08:30] <soren> debian/control now has Vcs references pointing at Debian's repository.
[08:30] <soren> ...but seeing as we have changes, and "apt-get source" tells you to get the source from whereever the VCS headers are pointing, we need to fix that.
[08:31] <nxvl> right
[08:31] <soren> That way we do that is to prepend "XS-Debian-" to the Vcs headers.
[08:31] <nxvl> so it would have the same issues as the maintainer field
[08:31] <soren> "issues"?
[08:32] <nxvl> DD's complaining of people who ping them for ubuntu stuf
[08:32] <nxvl> stuff*
[08:34] <soren> Oh.
[08:34] <soren> I thought you meant that changing it would cause issues.
[08:35] <nxvl> soren: anything else before generate and upload the patch
[08:35] <nxvl> heh, no
[08:35] <soren> No, I think that's it.
[08:35] <nxvl> i meant non changing will cause
[08:35] <nxvl> ok
[08:35] <nxvl> uploaded
[08:37] <soren> Got it, thanks.
[08:37] <soren> I need to fix up my intrepid schroot... Give me a minute.
[08:37] <nxvl> now i need to sleep
[08:38] <nxvl> read you! and have a nice day!
[08:38] <soren> Ok. I'll be uploading it in half an hour or so, probably.
[08:38] <soren> Thanks!
[08:38] <nxvl> yeah, you have like 5 hours until i cna notice it
[08:38] <nxvl> :D
[08:38] <soren> :)
[08:41] <kraut> moin
[09:57] <manuvai> Hello
[09:58] <manuvai> Is there a way to log a message in a specific file (/var/log/myapp.log) var the logger facility 'logger -i mymsg' ?
[12:41] <incorrect> i am looking for a guide to setting up n-way replication with slapd,  i have followed the howto from the ldap site however it seems to be for a point revision ahead of the version in hardy
[14:06] <incorrect> are there any plans to package vmware server for hardy?
[14:23] <stgraber> hey, I'm doing some ISO testing for alpha-3. Installing all tasks at once create a conflict about the MTA (exim vs postfix).
[14:24] <lamont> stgraber: yeah - don't do that
[14:24] <stgraber> Installing only the mail server task seems to work so I'm not really sure with which other task it conflicts
[14:24] <stgraber> lamont: well, you give the choice to the user so that shouldn't happen
[14:25] <lamont> stgraber: OTOH, it's akin to telling synaptic to install everything in main.. -> error for good reason
[14:25] <lamont> as to what is depending on exim, dunno
[14:25] <lamont> if you install postfix, and then walk through installing the other tasks one at a time, one of them will remove postfix
[14:25] <lamont> that'd be your problem child.
[14:25] <lamont> beat it (or not), as appropriate. :-)
[14:26] <stgraber> I'd bet on LAMP :) php probably depends on a MTA and apt selects exim (that's the bug)
[14:27] <lamont> except that when postfix is selected later, it would just remove it, since exim was only soft-selected
[14:28] <_ruben> incorrect: afaik this is up to vmware .. they provided the packages for feisty/gutsy
[14:30] <soren> incorrect: Yes. Please shout at VMWare to make it happen.
[14:30] <soren> !
[14:32] <incorrect> ok
[14:33] <darthmarth37|Wk> Is Ubuntu's BIND package compiled with support for LDAP?
[14:33] <lamont> no
[14:33] <darthmarth37|Wk> Dang.
[14:34] <lamont> making it do that without dragging in ldap on all machines is on my todo list
[14:34] <darthmarth37|Wk> Not likely to happen in the near future, I take it?
[14:55] <stgraber> http://www.stgraber.org/download/server-task-conflict
[14:55] <stgraber> that's the installer log for what happens when installing both the "LAMP server" and "Mail server" task from the Ubuntu server amd64 cd-rom
[14:56] <stgraber> Jul 23 13:52:26 in-target:   exim4-config: Conflicts: postfix but 2.5.2-1 is to be installed
[14:56] <stgraber> Jul 23 13:52:26 in-target:   exim4-daemon-light: Conflicts: mail-transport-agent
[14:56] <stgraber> Jul 23 13:52:26 in-target:   postfix: Conflicts: mail-transport-agent
[14:57] <lamont> stgraber: I wonder if LAMP is specifically depending on exim4?
[14:57] <lamont> or is it just exim4|MTA?
[14:57] <mdz> soren: I can't seem to get kvm to boot the desktop CD on intrepid - amd64 seems to fail to even start X, and i386 gets to X but never finishes logging in
[14:58] <mdz> soren: are others experiencing similar problems?
[14:58] <stgraber> I don't know but if it's exim4|MTA then the installer is doing the wrong choice :(
[14:58] <stgraber> mdz: I have the same issue with amd64 but i386 works except that you don't get the mouse and have to do the install using only the keyboard
[14:58] <soren> mdz: I sent a few patches to the kernel team that should fix it. I must admit I'm not sure what the status is.
[14:59] <mdz> soren: is there a bug report I can watch?
[14:59] <mdz> stgraber: I'll try i386 again and see if it's any different
[14:59] <soren> I believe so. Hang on.
[15:00] <soren> mdz: I thought I referenced it in my e-mail to the kernel-team, but I did not. It'll take me a bit longer to find it.
[15:02] <mdz> soren: should it work if I go back to the hardy kernel?
[15:03] <soren> mdz: Ironically, no. There's a bit of an ABI disconnect between the hardy kernel on the host side and Intrepid kernels on the guest side. I've not yet completely worked out how to fix that one with an Intrepid userspace.
[15:04] <soren> It's fixed by a kvm userspace patch in hardy-proposed, but with Intrepid kvm userspace, and hardy kvm kernelspace... not so much.
[15:05] <mdz> stgraber: i386 definitely doesn't work for me here
[15:05] <soren> mdz: I need to wait for my desktop iso download to finish before I can tell you if it's the same issue. I have a meeting right now. I'll find the bug and get back to you when I'm done. Cool?
[15:06] <soren> done with the download and the meeting, that is.
[15:06] <mdz> soren: sure
[15:10] <abwhostw> hi
[15:10] <abwhostw> i want help
[15:10] <abwhostw> I want make my pc serve
[15:10] <abwhostw> any one can help me
[15:10] <abwhostw> plz
[15:11] <soren> helpfulness increases proportionally to quality of questions.
[15:11] <soren> abwhostw: so if you ask a question, someone might be able to help you.
[15:12] <abwhostw> ok  I want to make my pc as like server
[15:12] <abwhostw> how
[15:12] <darthmarth37|Wk> What sort of server?
[15:12] <abwhostw> linux
[15:12] <abwhostw> web hosting
[15:14] <aljosa> i'm using gutsy and i can't execute "dpkg-reconfigure localeconf", how do i change locale on system level?
[15:28] <abwhostw> ok
[15:28] <abwhostw> no one want help me
[15:29] <lukehasnoname> That's not a sentence.
[15:30] <abwhostw> what
[15:30] <lukehasnoname> Anyway, if you want to run a webserver from your linux DESKTOP without reinstalling, and run tasksel
[15:30] <lukehasnoname> am I right? Is taskel in desktop?
[15:30] <abwhostw> how
[15:30] <abwhostw> taskel
[15:31] <lukehasnoname> go to a terminal
[15:31] <abwhostw> yeah
[15:31] <abwhostw> sudo tasksel install lamp-server
[15:31] <abwhostw> do mean to type that cmd
[15:31] <lukehasnoname> something like that
[15:31] <lukehasnoname> ya
[15:31] <abwhostw> after that what i do
[15:32] <lukehasnoname> the server should be running. Go to a web browser and type "localhost" in the address bar.
[15:32] <lukehasnoname> If it's up, then you can go to /var/www/ and put your web files there
[15:32] <abwhostw> It works!
[15:33] <abwhostw> from  where I go to /var/www/
[15:33] <lukehasnoname> what? /var/www/ is where all the web page files are saved
[15:34] <abwhostw> ok
[15:34] <abwhostw> from where can i get it
[15:34] <lukehasnoname> I don't understand the question./
[15:34] <abwhostw> u said
[15:34] <abwhostw> web files
[15:35] <abwhostw> u mean the web from another server
[15:35] <abwhostw> when I type localhost on the web bar broswer it said to me it's work
[15:36] <lukehasnoname> abwhostw: You should google "LAMP" or check out exactly how a web server works
[15:36] <abwhostw> ok
[15:38] <abwhostw> ok
[15:39] <abwhostw> I all ready didi
[15:40] <lukehasnoname> I'm at work, so I can only point you in the right direction. I can't give you specific directions.
[15:40] <abwhostw> ok
[15:40] <abwhostw> like I all ready but the root password
[15:40] <abwhostw> and like that
[15:41] <abwhostw> but when I go to broswer bar type
[15:41] <abwhostw> Localhost it's said it's work in index page
[15:41] <abwhostw> that's only
[15:44] <Deeps> look at the ubuntu server guide
[15:44] <abwhostw> ok
[15:44] <abwhostw> see when I put the password
[15:45] <abwhostw> su -root is not wroking why
[15:45] <Deeps> do sudo -s
[15:45] <abwhostw> ok
[15:52] <abwhostw> ok any one here
[15:52] <abwhostw> tell me the exatly how to install lamp
[15:58] <soren> You did that half an hour ago?
[15:58] <soren> mdz: I see the bug now. It's different from the one I fixed the other day, though.
[15:59] <abwhostw> yeah
[16:00] <abwhostw> soren
[16:00] <abwhostw> do u know
[16:00] <abwhostw> about lamo
[16:00] <abwhostw> lamp
[16:00] <abwhostw> how to install without having a problem
[16:01] <mdz> soren: which bug?
[16:02] <mdz> abwhostw: try asking on http://tinyurl.com/59ldec if you need more detailed answers
[16:02] <soren> mdz: I'm filing it now.
[16:04] <soren> mdz: I'm filing it now.
[16:04] <soren> Whoops
[16:05] <soren> mdz: I meant that I'm experiencing the problem now too. I couldn't find a bug /report/ about it.
[16:07] <abwhostw> why I cann't find
[16:07] <abwhostw> Not Found
[16:07] <abwhostw> The requested URL /~abwhostw was not found on this server.
[16:07] <abwhostw> Apache/2.2.8 (Ubuntu) mod_ssl/2.2.8 OpenSSL/0.9.8g Server at localhost Port 80
[16:09] <Deeps> a2enmod
[16:09] <Deeps> enable userdir
[16:11] <abwhostw> how to enable
[16:13] <Deeps> man a2enmod
[16:17] <abwhostw> Not Found
[16:17] <abwhostw> The requested URL /~abwhostw was not found on this server.
[16:17] <abwhostw> Apache/2.2.8 (Ubuntu) mod_ssl/2.2.8 OpenSSL/0.9.8g Server at localhost Port 80
[16:17] <abwhostw> any one help me
[16:18] <soren> type:
[16:18] <soren> sudo a2enmod enable userdir
[16:18] <abwhostw> sudo a2enmod enable userdir
[16:18] <abwhostw> This module does not exist!
[16:19] <soren> Er.. Sorry, I meant
[16:19] <Deeps> heh, hense me telling him to read the man page, a2enmod / a2dismod, no need to specify the action as a perameter ;)
[16:19] <soren> a2enmod userdir
[16:19] <abwhostw> how to enable
[16:21] <abwhostw> Module userdir installed; run /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload to enable
[16:23] <abwhostw> ok
[16:23] <abwhostw> so where is the problem
[16:27] <soren> What problem?
[16:27] <abwhostw> the
[16:27] <abwhostw> [11:21] <abwhostw> Module userdir installed; run /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload to enable
[16:28] <soren> How is that a problem? It's telling you that it has done what you asked it to. It then asks you to return the favour by running "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload"
[16:29] <abwhostw>  * Reloading web server config apache2                                   [ OK ]
[16:29] <abwhostw> cool and after
[16:30] <soren> Is that a question of some sort?
[16:30] <soren> Or a statement?
[16:31] <abwhostw> i don't nothing about linux that only but in windows i'm perfect on  it
[16:32] <soren> I'm not sure how that answers my question.
[16:32] <soren> What do you mean by "cool and after"?
[16:32] <abwhostw>  * Reloading web server config apache2                                   [ OK ]
[16:32] <abwhostw> after that
[16:32] <soren> after that *what*?
[16:32] <soren> What is your question?
[16:32] <abwhostw> ~abwhostw/index.php
[16:33] <abwhostw> how to make
[16:34] <soren> If you expect people to spend time helping you, it's good manners to spend a bit of time working out what your question is.
[16:34] <soren> You want to know how to make a PHP index file?
[16:35] <abwhostw> yeah man
[16:35] <abwhostw> I appericate ur time man
[16:35] <soren> I recommend you find a book on PHP programming or perhaps a tutorial of some sort on the internet. It's a bit out of scope for this channel.
[16:35] <abwhostw> ok no problem
[16:36] <abwhostw> thx for ur time
[16:47] <lamont> yay.  another 'oh it's chrooted' bug, I bet
[16:50] <psufan> how do I edit grub menu.lst so that certain kernel command line options *ALWAYS* are enabled even after kernel package updates etc
[16:51] <psufan> and also that it is the *FIRST* thing on the command line since it doesn't seem to work later down the line
[16:52] <soren> psufan: Add it to the kopt line
[16:52] <soren> It's commented out with a single #.
[16:53] <psufan> ok thx
[17:06] <abwhostw> man help with this problem
[17:06] <abwhostw> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/29639/
[17:30] <kirkland> mathiaz: howdy
[17:30] <mathiaz> kirkland: hello !
[17:30] <kirkland> mathiaz: got your email, did you get a chance to look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InitScriptStatusActions ?
[17:31] <kirkland> mathiaz: a sanity check of the scripts, as I broke them down?
[17:32] <mathiaz> kirkland: I'll review your list in a couple of minutes
[17:32] <kirkland> mathiaz: cool, thanks.
[17:47] <mathiaz> kirkland: your breakdown of the init scripts list looks good
[17:47] <mathiaz> kirkland: I would remove the udev mention
[17:47] <kirkland> mathiaz: k
[17:47] <abwhostw> any one know how to config tha apache
[17:47] <kirkland> mathiaz: you can edit it appropriately
[17:47] <mathiaz> kirkland: if Scott said no, I wouldn't question that
[17:47] <mathiaz> kirkland: ah ok
[17:48] <mathiaz> kirkland: I'll edit the wiki page while you're writting up a blog post :)
[17:48] <kirkland> mathiaz: k ;-)
[17:48] <kirkland> mathiaz: i can do that today
[17:48] <zul> hey kirkland
[17:48] <kirkland> zul: howdy dude
[17:54] <kees> kirkland: thanks for the security team roadmap updates!  I like it.  :)
[17:54] <kirkland> kees: wow, fast reader ;-)
[17:54] <kirkland> kees: my browser hasn't even stopped spinning from saving it
[17:54] <kees> heh
[17:55] <kirkland> *now* my browser thinks its done
[17:55] <kirkland> kees: you might take a look at these slides, http://download.boulder.ibm.com/ibmdl/pub/software/dw/library/os-ltc-standards/LWE-Boston-06.pdf
[17:55] <kirkland> kees: regarding certifications
[17:55] <kirkland> kees: or, rather, file it away, and take a look at it if certifications come up again
[17:56]  * kees nods
[17:57] <kirkland> kees: btw...  i worked on the manpage repo a bit last night
[17:57] <kirkland> kees: fixed almost everything we talked about
[17:57] <kirkland> kees: save 2-3 little things
[17:57] <kirkland> kees: i'm regenerating it now, with the new code
[17:59]  * delcoyote hi
[18:00] <gouki> Hi. Any recommendations for a ticketing service (if that's even a name)? Web-based, if possible.
[18:02] <kees> kirkland: cool, I saw the email, excellent work.  :)
[18:02] <kirkland> kees: what's next?
[18:02] <kirkland> kees: I assume you'll want to review the diff
[18:02] <kirkland> kees: then can I file the RT with IS?
[18:03] <kees> kirkland: let me review the final work, and then we can poke IS
[18:03] <kirkland> kees: okay, give me about 4 hours to do a complete run
[18:07] <osmosis> I want to allow a user to  use  sftp (ssh)  to upload files, but I dont want them to see the rest of my file system. Not sure how to do this.
[18:30] <mathiaz> soren: is that the place to your python-rewrite of ubuntu-vm-builder: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-virt/ubuntu-jeos/python-rewrite ?
[19:28] <mathiaz> kirkland: I can see your draft post
[19:28] <kirkland> mathiaz: can you review it for me?
[19:29] <mathiaz> kirkland: It says that you're currently editing the post
[19:29] <mathiaz> kirkland: do you have the editor open ?
[19:29] <kirkland> mathiaz: try now
[19:30] <mathiaz> kirkland: hm - the message is still there
[19:31] <kirkland> mathiaz: i have closed all FF browser tabs to wordpress
[19:31] <kirkland> mathiaz: do i need to press the publish button?
[19:31] <mathiaz> kirkland: could set the state of the post to pending review ?
[19:32] <kirkland> mathiaz: done
[19:34] <mathiaz> kirkland: hm - I still get the warning message
[19:34] <mathiaz> kirkland: could you try to publish it instead ?
[19:35] <kirkland> mathiaz: done
[19:35] <kirkland> mathiaz: and it's now the top post at http://ubuntuserver.wordpress.com/
[19:36] <Koon> nealmcb1: hey
[19:36] <Koon> nealmcb1: still at that enterprise management talk ?
[19:37] <mathiaz> kirkland: meh - I've unpublished it
[19:38] <kirkland> mathiaz: k
[19:38] <mathiaz> kirkland: ok - the warning message is gone now
[19:38] <mathiaz> kirkland: however, you should not be able to publish it
[19:38] <mathiaz> kirkland: I will update the post now
[19:38] <kirkland> k
[19:39] <osmosis> how do I do a chroot ?
[19:43] <Koon> nealmcb1: I've sent a question by mail, ask it if you have the opportunity (and Rick is not already in the room asking it)
[19:46] <nealmcb1> Koon: sorry - that one is over now, but I'll send you the email addr for the guy that did the ws-management/wbem/cim stuff and http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2008/public/schedule/detail/4758
[19:48] <Koon> nealmcb1: ok - it was interesting .
[19:48] <Koon> ?
[19:49] <nealmcb1> (via email)
[19:50]  * nealmcb1 is in another session now
[19:53] <mathiaz> kirkland: I've made some modification to the post - let me know what you think about it
[19:53]  * kirkland looks
[19:54] <kirkland> mathiaz: i fixed one grammatical error
[19:55] <kirkland> mathiaz: other than that, i'm okay with it
[19:55] <mathiaz> kirkland: great
[19:55] <kirkland> mathiaz: I'm pulling a few changes from ecryptfs upstream and creating a debdiff
[19:56] <kirkland> mathiaz: as soon as that makes it into intrepid, i'll finish the ecryptfs blog post
[19:56] <mathiaz> kirkland: I've changed your role to be an contributor - could you check if you can publish your post ?
[19:57] <kirkland> mathiaz: i cannot...  instead of a publish button, i have a "submit for review" button
[19:57] <kirkland> mathiaz: which i just pushed
[19:57] <mathiaz> kirkland: awesome !
[20:00] <mathiaz> kirkland: the post will be published tomorrow
[20:00] <kirkland> mathiaz: cool, thanks.
[20:01] <mathiaz> kirkland: can you see the date and state of the post in your view ?
[20:01] <kirkland> mathiaz: 24 hours from now  	Adding a status action to init scripts
[20:01] <kirkland> mathiaz: shows up in a "Scheduled (1)"  view
[20:01] <mathiaz> kirkland: great
[20:02] <mathiaz> kirkland: it seems that the workflow works well :)
[20:02] <kirkland> mathiaz: yup ;-)
[20:02] <mathiaz> kirkland: now you can write your ecryptfs blog post and I'll review it :D
[20:03] <kirkland> mathiaz: true, however, I have written about a dozen manpages that I want in the Intrepid package
[20:03] <kirkland> mathiaz: and 3 utilities have changed names
[20:03] <kirkland> mathiaz: from ecryptfs-setup-confidential to ecryptfs-setup-private
[20:08] <duiu> I'm configuring my iptables firewall, does anyone know if IPP/CUPS uses udp or tcp packets? I know this isn't the best question for this channel, but CUPS is poorly documented.
[20:08] <mathiaz> kirkland: ahh... man pages - that's awesome :)
[20:08] <kirkland> mathiaz: true dat yo
[20:08] <kirkland> mathiaz: made good use of my 3 hours on the plane on Monday, without internet connectivity
[20:09] <kirkland> mathiaz: and wrote 12 manpages ;-)
[20:09] <mathiaz> kirkland: well - at least you have a baterry that last 3 hours
[20:09] <jdstrand> duiu: both
[20:09] <duiu> jdstrand: thanks a ton, I've been searching for a while :)
[20:10] <jdstrand> duiu: IIRC one is for browsing and the other for printing
[20:10] <duiu> jdstrand: ah, makes sense
[20:11] <kirkland> mathiaz: it's all about cpu frequency scaling ;-)
[20:11] <mathiaz> sommer: is the version of the server guide on doc.ubuntu.com the latest that is available from the bzr repository ?
[20:11] <kirkland> mathiaz: 5400rpm hard drive helps too
[20:11] <jdstrand> kirkland: ha!
[20:11] <kirkland> jdstrand: ha, you don't believe me?
[20:12] <jdstrand> kirkland: no-- I most certainly do-- it's kees who has other opinions
[20:12] <kirkland> jdstrand: oh yeah :-)
[20:13] <duiu> While I'm asking port questions, what port does "ping" use? And is it the same in both windows and linux?
[20:13] <jdstrand> duiu: not a port, but an icmp type
[20:13] <jdstrand> duiu: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[20:13] <duiu> 8.04
[20:14] <jdstrand> duiu: have you tried ufw?
[20:14] <duiu> no
[20:14] <jdstrand> !firewall
[20:14] <jdstrand> !ufw
[20:14] <jdstrand> hmm, didn't get updated yet
[20:14] <duiu> ah, pings not that important
[20:15] <duiu> oops
[20:15] <jdstrand> duiu: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/firewall.html
[20:15] <duiu> ah whatever, pings not that important on my network
[20:15] <duiu> thanks
[20:16] <sommer> mathiaz: no that's from hardy... I don't think it's been updated since the release
[20:16] <kees> jdstrand, kirkland: while not being entirely direct, here's some details from the slides I saw: http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/applications-power-management/race-to-idle.php
[20:16] <jdstrand> duiu: basically, assuming the machine in question can send anything out, you just need to run on it 'iptables -A INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type echo-request -j ACCEPT'
[20:16] <jdstrand> duiu: but ufw takes care of all that for you
[20:16] <afief_> there seems to be no mentioning of anything other than loopback in my /etc/network/interfaces, where is the configuration for the rest of the stuff?
[20:16] <duiu> thanks again, jdstrand
[20:17] <mathiaz> sommer: meh - slangasek asked me how he could review the samba section of the server guide
[20:17] <mathiaz> sommer: I've pointed him to http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/
[20:17] <sommer> mathiaz: ya, I emailed mdke about it this morning... haven't heard back yet
[20:17] <sommer> mathiaz: maybe by this evening
[20:18] <sommer> but if someone else has access...
[20:18] <mathiaz> sommer: do you think that we can ask potential reviewers to review directly from the bzr branch ?
[20:18] <mathiaz> sommer: or we should point them to doc.ubuntu.com ?
[20:18] <sommer> mathiaz: doc.ubuntu.com would be a lot easier, but I've also emailed the xml files to reviewers
[20:19] <jdstrand> kees: I don't doubt you have support for your 'theory' ;P -- I've just witnessed longer battery life on my laptop at slower speeds.
[20:19] <kirkland> kees: interesting.....
[20:19] <sommer> mathiaz: plus I think the main purpose of doc.u.c is reviewing
[20:19] <mathiaz> sommer: right - but reviewing means you'd expect people to send comments
[20:20] <mathiaz> sommer: what I found annoying is to get review email that lists spelling mistake
[20:20] <kees> jdstrand: yeah, I think it's only a valid argument when a machine is running tickless, with good timers, and modern CPU.
[20:20] <mathiaz> sommer: submitting a branch would make more sense IMO
[20:20] <jdstrand> kees: nice dig at my laptop :)
[20:20] <sommer> mathiaz: where would you submit the branch to?
[20:20] <sommer> mathiaz: the doc ml?
[20:21] <kees> jdstrand: hah, actually, I meant to dig at mine.  :P
[20:21] <kees> jdstrand: at least I have tickless care of Hardy.
[20:22] <kees> jdstrand: but my CPU is crap, and both my video and my wireless wreck the timers.
[20:22] <jdstrand> it's probably similar here
[20:36] <afief_> My server suddenly won't connect to the network anymore, and /etc/netowrk/interfaces contains no info about eth1 or anything like that... could someone help me?
[20:37] <levander> Is there any way to edit a bug report on Launchpad?
[22:59] <soren> mathiaz: Yes, that's the right URL for the new code.
[23:08] <maw_> after completing a "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" how does one know if a reboot is necessary to apply the patches?
[23:08] <maw_> with gui ubuntu, usually a icon appears in systray advising a reboot is needed
[23:10] <Deeps> good question
[23:10] <mathiaz> maw_: was the kernel updated ? if yes, you need to reboot - if no, you don't have to
[23:10] <maw_> I could just reboot out of superstition... but many times one can be avoided
[23:11] <maw_> mathiaz: ya that has been my rule of thumb
[23:11] <Deeps> there's no 'easy' 'friendly' mechanism in the cli though, is there?
[23:21] <kees> anyone that runs DNS server, make sure you and your ISP have updated your DNS software.  The DNS spoofing exploit is now in the wild.
[23:21] <maw_> I patched everything last night
[23:22] <maw_> could call ISP.. will they listen if they haven't patched?
[23:30] <kees> dunno.  I still see that comcast is vulnerable:
[23:30] <kees> dig @68.87.69.146 +short porttest.dns-oarc.net TXT
[23:30] <kees> z.y.x.w.v.u.t.s.r.q.p.o.n.m.l.k.j.i.h.g.f.e.d.c.b.a.pt.dns-oarc.net.
[23:30] <kees> "68.87.69.147 is POOR: 26 queries in 0.7 seconds from 24 ports with std dev 328.32"
[23:30] <kees> though I'm not sure if porttest.dns-oarc.net is a full test.
[23:31] <maw_> is that basically the problem... submit a query with many sub domains?
[23:39] <infinity> kees: Hrm.  Can you renew my ubuntu-server membership?
[23:39] <infinity> kees: Just cleaning up old mail, and I realised it's lapsed.
[23:40] <kees> infinity: sure, one moment
[23:41] <kees> infinity: done
[23:41] <infinity> kees: Danke.
[23:48] <bitsbam> hey there all
[23:49] <bitsbam> I am running an email server, i also run a script in python that every 3 minutes checks my new mail and processes any mail there. These emails are generated from industrial equipment, and i process the data as it comes in.
[23:49] <bitsbam> my question is, when i pull all the email from my inbox,
[23:50] <bitsbam> what order is it in?
[23:50] <bitsbam> first in first out?