[00:07] <cody-somerville> Don64, makes it stick on all the workplaces.
[00:08] <Don64> i don't completly follow
[00:08] <cody-somerville> AlexJP, Is it hardware or software based?
[00:08] <cody-somerville> Don64, see bottom right. See that thing next to the garbage? Gray boxes? Click on them.
[00:08] <Don64> Ok i see.  thanks
[00:09] <cody-somerville> AlexJP, you can get the cisco vpn client docs here: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/security/vpn_client/cisco_vpn_client/vpn_client46/linux_solaris/uglinsol.html
[00:26] <bassboi_> whoa
[00:26] <bassboi_> both threads are actually working on this p4D ?!
[00:26] <bassboi_> i've only noticed 1 thread on XP most of the time
[02:21] <Haikaido> Any one here have time to help me with some installing wireless card drivers?
[02:22] <cody-somerville> Haikaido, probably best just to ask your actual question/describe your problem
[02:22] <cody-somerville> If someone does, they'll respond
[02:22] <Haikaido> k
[02:23] <Haikaido> got these drivers
[02:23] <Haikaido> for a Dlink DWL-650+ laptop wireless card
[02:23] <Haikaido> NO idea how to install them
[02:23] <Haikaido> another bit of information on a side note
[02:23] <Haikaido> i plug the card in
[02:23] <Haikaido> and i can see wireless networkd
[02:23] <Haikaido> *networks
[02:24] <Haikaido> but it never connects
[02:24] <Haikaido> (this is without installing these drivers i found of course)
[02:26] <Haikaido> yeah so...thats where im at now...anyone out there able (or willing rather) to help?
[02:29] <cody-somerville> hmm
[02:30] <Haikaido> yeah its wierd..the fact that it sees them..but refuses to connect
[02:32] <cody-somerville> Quick google search turned this up: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-48146.html
[02:40] <Haikaido> im rather confused as to where the solution in that post is
[02:40] <Haikaido> ive run across that before
[02:40] <Haikaido> but didnt think they fixed anything
[02:40] <Haikaido> so i continued on
[04:12] <eca> noob question- when pasting to open office word from a pdf, i have to delete the end of every line to get the text to go to the end of the margin, - im trying to print a pdf and conserve paper, but deleting the spaces at the end of the line is tedious. Paste Special gives only 1 option. 54 pages of deleting spaces makes me pertrubed, plz help
[04:13] <bassboi_> dig around :-P
[04:15] <eca> sweet i got it- paste special then autoformat
[04:25] <bassboi_> can i put a data-speed plugin in my WM so I can see how fast i'm transferring, lets say, from usb-hdd to ide-hdd, usb-hdd to sata-hdd, sata/ide-hdd to network drive, etc..?
[04:25] <bassboi_> or something to tha teffect
[05:34] <toulouse> hi guys, i am looking to use the 'write' command over a network, does anyone know how?
[06:25] <l815> how do you install icon sets ?
[06:27] <j1mc> l815: extract the icon folder into a ".icons" folder in your home directory.
[06:27] <j1mc> (note the period in front of "icons")  >  .icons  :)
[06:28] <l815> jlmc, thanks
[06:29] <j1mc> yw.  you can do the same for themes.  just create a .themes folder in your home directory.  (i.e.  /home/l815/.themes)
[06:29] <l815> oh i just put themes in the /usr/share/themes folder
[06:29] <j1mc> that works, too.
[06:29] <j1mc> /usr/share/themes will make them available to all users.
[06:29] <j1mc> ~/.themes will make them only available to you as a user.
[06:29] <l815> ah i see
[06:30] <j1mc> /usr/share/icons would make the icons available to all users, too.
[06:30] <l815> that works!
[06:31] <j1mc> :)
[06:31] <l815> oh i'm having an issue with firefox not remembering default applications
[06:31] <j1mc> me, too.
[06:31] <j1mc> haven't tried to fix that yet, really.
[06:31] <l815> okay at least i know it's not just me :D
[06:31] <j1mc> yeah, sorry.  :/
[06:32] <l815> no problem, i can deal with it
[11:57] <Raz0R> hey
[13:08] <Raz0R> if i delete stuff as root, is it pujt in the trash or is it actually deleted?
[13:13] <ablomen> Raz0R, in the terminal or in thunar?
[13:14] <Raz0R> thunar
[13:16] <ablomen> then it will be send to /root/.Trash but ehm.. never run thunar as root
[13:18] <ablomen> if you want to remove something, use rm, if your not 100% sure you can/want to remove it, mv it to filename.old or something like that
[13:19] <Raz0R> oh
[13:19] <Raz0R> its just i had to delete a load of old mpg files
[13:19] <Raz0R> and it wouldnt let me do it in thunar?
[13:19] <Raz0R> so i though i had to be root
[13:19] <ablomen> that _certainly_ doesnt need root
[13:20] <Raz0R> so why wouldnt it let me delete them?
[13:20] <ablomen> might have mounted the media its on wrong, or did something with the permisions
[13:20] <Raz0R> yeah
[13:21] <Raz0R> i looked at the permissions it said read and write for root, all else read only
[13:21] <Raz0R> so i thought that meant only root could delete them?
[13:21] <ablomen> yeah thats right
[13:21] <Raz0R> oh
[13:21] <Raz0R> but i shouldnt do it with thunar?
[13:21] <ablomen> but if you need to remove it with root, use a terminal
[13:21] <ablomen> exactly
[13:21] <Raz0R> is there any particular reason for this?
[13:22] <Raz0R> not meaning to sound rude! just wondering why? :)
[13:22] <ablomen> more then one, you make mistakes easyer with something like thunar (you dont remember your root and do something, you drag something to somewhere where its not supposed to be, etc) then with the terminal, and every application you run as root deminishes the security of your system
[13:23] <Raz0R> ok
[13:23] <ablomen> if you run thunar as root and there's a security hole in it, somebody that exploits that hole can have access to everything on your pc, not just your personal files
[13:23] <Raz0R> thanks for the tip :)
[13:23] <ablomen> np :)
[13:24]  * Raz0R starts up a terminal to rm /root/.Trash
[13:24] <ablomen> Raz0R, watch everything your gonna do twice/three times though
[13:24] <Raz0R> ok
[13:24] <Raz0R> but as long as it's trash its ok yes?
[13:24] <Raz0R> its just that the trash folder is taking up about 40 gb of space !!
[13:25] <ablomen> yeah, but i'd first cd to the trash folder, ls to see if you are in the right folder and there is no stuff you want to keep, and then remove
[13:25] <Raz0R> yeah cool
[13:25] <ablomen> and best is, if its all mpg's you want to remove, to type rm *.mpg, just to be shure :)
[13:26] <Raz0R> cool :)
[13:26] <Raz0R> hey man, im in the root folder but when i do dir or ls nothing happens
[13:26] <Raz0R> do i need to do sudo?
[13:28] <ablomen> ls  -a :)
[13:28] <Raz0R> thanks
[13:28] <Raz0R> :) im a n00b lol
[13:29] <Raz0R> there is no trash folder though?
[13:30] <ablomen> hmm, no .Trash?
[13:30] <Raz0R> nope
[13:31] <Raz0R> shall i pastebin?
[13:31] <ablomen> oh whait, .Trash is gnome, its in .local/share/Trash/files
[13:32] <ablomen> and .local/share/Trash/info
[13:32] <Raz0R> thanks mate
[13:32] <ablomen> :)
[13:33] <Raz0R> lol sorry ive got another problem
[13:33] <Raz0R> alex@desktop:/root/.local$ cd share
[13:33] <Raz0R> bash: cd: share: Permission denied
[13:39] <Raz0R> any ideas why that would be?
[13:47] <ablomen> yeah you have to be root first
[13:47] <ablomen> sudo su and then cd to the right folders :)
[13:48] <Myrtti> WHAT?
[13:48] <Myrtti> sudo su?
[13:48] <Myrtti> WHY?
[13:49] <Myrtti> sudo -i works fine
[13:49] <Myrtti> don't use sudo su
[13:49] <ablomen> or that :)
[13:49] <ablomen> sorry, old habbit of mine
[13:52] <Raz0R> whats sudo su do?
[13:52] <ablomen> Raz0R, it makes you log in as root, but sudo -i is better, should use that
[13:53] <Raz0R> i used -i
[13:53] <Raz0R> all done now
[13:53] <Raz0R> back to 60 gb free instead of 20 gb free :)
[14:02] <Tailsfan> Hi There, What is the minimum RAM Needed for Xubuntu?
[14:24] <microwaver> anyone experience installing openoffice.org on xubuntu?
[14:29] <vidd> is there a setting in synaptic to make it auto-update on launch?
[14:32] <th0r> microwaver, just install openoffice.org via synaptic...it will install all the pieces
[14:49] <microwaver> Hello
[14:49] <microwaver> is there a xubuntu variant voor the desklet in gnome?
[14:49] <ablomen> microwaver, if you mean gdesklets, you might wanna give conky a try, might be what you are looking for
[14:50] <microwaver> ablomen, conky looks a lot like qps
[14:51] <microwaver> What i meant is, in gnome you have something called deskbar or something
[14:51] <microwaver> in which you put a piece of the name of the app and it searches for thinges called like that
[14:52] <ablomen> ah the deskbar applet, you can use that on xfce too, install >> xfce4-xfapplet-plugin - Gnome applets plugin for Xfce panel
[14:53] <ablomen> then add that applet to your panel, when you added that, you can use that applet to add deskbar
[14:53] <ablomen> (and other gnome applets if you want to)
[14:54] <jan___> hi all. May I ask a question related to mutt?
[14:58] <vidd> jan___, you can ask....if anyone knows the answer, they will tell you =]
[14:58] <jan___> cheers vidd
[14:59] <vidd> so what is your question
[14:59] <jan___> I access my ISPs IMAP mailbox. Everything works fine, except for switching to different folder with 'c'
[14:59] <jan___> I can see the actual folders in my mailbox, but if I select one, there is no content
[14:59] <jan___> I guess I miss a configuration option in my .muttrc
[15:00] <vidd> and you verified there are actual files in the folder?
[15:01] <jan___> yup. When I access my mailbox with thunderbird. all is fine
[15:02] <jan___> I change for example into the folder info
[15:02] <jan___> -- Mutt: Directory [=Info/], File mask: !^\.[^.]
[15:02] <jan___> this is what I see on the bottom
[15:02] <jan___> but I don't see the actual content of the folder info
[15:03] <vidd> is the folder "info" a seperate folder from "Inbox" or a sub-folder of "Inbox"?
[15:04] <jan___> info is a seperate one
[15:04] <microwaver> ablomen, haha :) problem is, I want a similar for my xcfe applets (since I don't even have the gnome one installed anymore
[15:06] <ablomen> well you have verve commandline applet, but it has a lot less features... (as in only one... you type the command you want and press enter and it runs it)
[15:07] <vidd> ok...im looking
[15:07] <jan___> thanks a lot vidd. highly appreciated
[15:08] <microwaver> ablomen, something alike, well, i'll just click in the menus's and terminal then
[15:09] <wols> is xubuntu just as logalized to german as ubuntu is?
[15:09] <wols> ie a non english speaking user can use it?
[15:10] <jan___> wols it is, at least partly
[15:10] <TheSheep> it uses the same translations
[15:10] <wols> that partly I don't like :P
[15:10] <TheSheep> wols: you can always help transalting at http;//translations.launchpad.net
[15:11] <jan___> e.g. it's Applications > Büro
[15:11] <TheSheep> http;
[15:11] <wols> the user in question has a K7 900 with 256MB so I thought xubuntu is a better fit. comes from windows and not really a clue about linux or computers in general but the constant spyware cleaning and fixing has to go
[15:11] <jan___> or Places > Papierkorb
[15:11] <wols> better fit than ubuntu that is
[15:11] <jan___> nahh performance wise use xubuntu
[15:12] <wols> TheSheep: my personal love is debian and debian only :)
[15:12] <jan___> or recommend gOS
[15:12] <wols> yes I thought so. with his ram xubuntu is a better fit than ubuntu
[15:12] <jan___> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOS_(Betriebssystem)
[15:12] <TheSheep> wols: I think these translations go upstream so you'd also help debian
[15:12] <jan___> That's a nice one for a complete newbie to linux
[15:13] <jan___> as I'm on holiday right now I guess I can help to translate TheSheep
[15:13] <wols> installing on a C2D but latter putting the hdd into a k7 should pose no problems right?
[15:14] <jan___> That should be fine wols
[15:14] <wols> thank you
[15:15] <jan___> you're welcome
[15:16] <jan___> @TheSheep: Should I search for xfce on the translations page?
[15:16] <TheSheep> jan___: I suppose you should just search for the apps that are missing translations on your system
[15:21] <vidd> jan___, im getting flooded with calls today....
[15:22] <vidd> perhaps someone else can help you =\
[15:22]  * vidd is @ work
[15:23] <jan___> don't worry vidd. Thanks a lot anyway
[15:24] <jan___> now the TheSheep got me interested into giving something back to the community anyways :P
[15:31] <vidd> jan___, check out http://wiki.mutt.org ... it might help you
[15:33] <Raz0R> is it possible to see the chipset of my wifi card using some command?
[15:35] <jan___> cheers vidd
[15:37] <jan___> Raz0R: check out http://linux-wless.passys.nl/index.php
[15:37] <Raz0R> jan___ thanks mate
[15:38] <jan___> you're welcome
[15:38] <th0r> Raz0R, lspci -v | less
[15:38] <jan___> Raz0R: what kind of wifi card is it?
[15:38] <jan___> express, usb?
[15:39] <Raz0R> pci
[15:40] <jan___> does lspci give you any information?
[15:40] <Raz0R> not on chipset
[15:40] <Raz0R> i just get this: http://pastebin.com/m6e9e4a89
[15:42] <wols> Raz0R: if you have network access, sudo update-pciids
[15:42] <Raz0R> ok thx
[15:42] <wols> then the unknown device should go away. I presume you have ausb WLAN adapter?
[15:43] <Raz0R> no its pci
[15:43] <Raz0R> the unknown device is my wifi adapter
[15:43] <wols> that's odd
[15:44] <Raz0R> yes, esp. as im connected throught it now
[15:44] <wols> Raz0R: lspci -nn
[15:44] <wols> there are numbers in brackets at the end then. tel us those numbers
[15:44] <Raz0R> ok
[15:45] <Raz0R> 00:09.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Belkin Unknown device [1799:700f] (rev 20)
[15:45] <wols> realktek 8185. ugly
[15:45] <wols> *realtek
[15:46] <wols> rtl8185 driver if you are lucky or ndiswrapper othrewise
[15:46] <Raz0R> ok
[15:46] <Raz0R> im using ndiswrapper at the moment, didnt realise i could get the proper driver
[15:47] <Raz0R> wols how did you find that out?
[15:48] <wols> googling 1799:700f
[15:49] <Raz0R> i see, and that is only relating to this card yes?
[15:56] <wols> yes. PCI IDs are unique
[16:04] <Raz0R> its a realtek 8185L :)
[16:04] <Raz0R> thanks!
[16:05] <Raz0R> i took the card out to check
[16:07] <Raz0R> to change the driver from the ndiswrapper one what do i have to do remove all the old stuff?
[16:11] <Raz0R> do i need to remove ndiswrapper, etc?
[16:13] <vidd> !paste
[16:14] <vidd> Raz0R, http://paste.ubuntu.com/29624/
[16:14] <vidd> hello cody-somerville
[16:14] <Raz0R> vidd thanks ill try that
[16:14] <cody-somerville> Hello! :)
[16:32] <Raz0R> hi can anyone help me installing driver for my wireless interface card
[16:37] <Raz0R> anyone...?
[16:39] <zizou03> Hello!
[16:39] <zizou03> I'm kind of in need of some help (somewhat new with linux)
[16:41] <cody-somerville> Raz0R, whats your problem?
[16:41] <zizou03> I installed Xubuntu on my old pc (p3, 256mb ram) and figured I'd use it as small home server.. I installed xubuntu and now would like make it possible to access it with both the Macs and PCs in the house... I installed Samba (at least, I think I did) and well, when I connect to the xunbuntu box I can connect with my username & password which I made but it just shows an empty directory..
[16:41] <zizou03> I've changed the home directory of the specific account to root just to see if it would show something yet nothing appears..
[16:41] <cody-somerville> zizou03, can you pastebin /etc/samba/smb.cnf ?
[16:42] <zizou03> Sure, give me a sec
[16:42] <Raz0R> cody-somerville my wireless card has no drivers installed
[16:42] <Raz0R> cody-somerville when i do lshw -C network it lists my device, but there is no driver, i have the native linux driver buti dont know how i set it up
[16:43] <cody-somerville> Raz0R, what is your device?
[16:43] <Raz0R> cody-somerville its a wireless adapter (belkin f5d7000) using chipset rtl 8185L
[16:44] <Raz0R> cody-somerville i downloaded the linux driver for this chipset from the realtek site, i just dont know how to install it, etc
[16:44] <Raz0R> cody-somerville its just sitting on my desktop
[16:44] <zizou03> Cody-somerville, do you mean smb.cnf or smb.conf?
[16:44] <zizou03> (the latter I assume?)
[16:44] <cody-somerville> zizou03, which ever one exists :)
[16:45] <cody-somerville> Raz0R, No documentation on their website? :(
[16:45] <cody-somerville> Raz0R, link to where you got it?
[16:45] <zizou03> conf ;) For a second I got confused and though I didn't install it properly, that's why I asked.
[16:46] <Raz0R> cody-somerville http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=1&PFid=1&Level=6&Conn=5&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true#RTL8185L
[16:47] <zizou03> http://pastebin.com/m4ccdaaed
[16:47] <zizou03> should be ik
[16:47] <zizou03> it
[16:47] <tech404> I have a file .suspended in my root.... i'm guessing its from a failed attempt to suspend my computer. Is that correct? Can I delete it? I don't need the computer to suspend but I am curious about the file.
[16:48] <cody-somerville> tech404, I wouldn't touch it if I were you.
[16:48] <cody-somerville> tech404, playing around like that is what messes up people's computers :)
[16:49] <zizou03> Cody-somerville, cheers for the help you're giving =-)
[16:49] <tech404> yeah.... it belongs to root and is in my root file so I am very hesitate to do anything to it but for the same reasons I want to know what it is and why it is there
[16:50] <tech404> root directory that is
[16:50] <zizou03> Ok
[16:50] <zizou03> Cody-somerville, nevermind
[16:50] <zizou03> I forgot to remove a whole lot of comment signs in the conf file
[16:50] <cody-somerville> zizou03, hehe
[16:50] <zizou03> that's probably why it's not really working :)
[16:50]  * cody-somerville has to get back to work.
[16:50] <zizou03> I'll uncomment them and let oyu know :)
[16:51] <zizou03> ok, have fun! :p
[16:55] <Raz0R> cody-somerville did you have any ideas?
[16:56] <Raz0R> can anyone please help me
[16:56] <Raz0R> i need to specify a driver for my wireless adapter
[16:57] <cody-somerville> Raz0R, calm down : ) no need to panic
[16:57] <cody-somerville> Click Applications > System > Hardware Drivers
[16:57] <cody-somerville> That should take care of it, I believe
[16:57] <Raz0R> cody-somerville thankyou, and sorry :)
[16:58] <Raz0R> cody-somerville all thats listed there is nvidia graphics driver?
[17:00] <cody-somerville> hmm... Okay.
[17:00] <cody-somerville> Raz0R, I have to get back to work. I'll see about assisting you further later.
[17:00] <cody-somerville> #ubuntu might also be a place to get help
[17:00] <Raz0R> cody ok thanks, im already there :)
[17:18] <slow-motion> hi
[17:21] <jan___> I've mounted a vfat formated external drive
[17:22] <jan___> /dev/sda1 /media/STUFF vfat rw,user,auto,umask=000 0 0
[17:22] <jan___> whenever i mv or cp something on it
[17:22] <jan___> I receive a cannot preserve userrights error
[17:22] <Myrtti> yes?
[17:22] <jan___> can I turn this off somehow?
[17:24] <jan___> preserving times for > Operation nor permitted
[17:24] <jan___> any idea?
[17:31] <thinkmassive> jan___, is it formatted as ntfs or fat?
[17:31] <thinkmassive> that would probably prevent you from preserving permissions, since they don't store unix permissions
[17:31] <thinkmassive> oops, I mised the vfat part, but yeah that's probably why
[17:32] <jan___> thanks thinkmassive
[17:33] <jan___> so there's nothing I can do about this perserving permissions thing
[17:33] <jan___> unless I format the device to ext3, which I can't :P
[17:39] <thinkmassive> jan___, you could make a tar file and store that on the vfat filesystem
[17:40] <TheSheep> thinkmassive: fat can only store files up to 4GB
[17:40] <thinkmassive> compression might save a good amount of space
[17:40] <TheSheep> thinkmassive: tar doesn't compress by itself
[17:41] <Raz0R> how do i tell xubuntu what driver to use for a piece of hardware?
[17:41] <TheSheep> Raz0R: it oautodetects, for the ones where there is choice, go to system->hardware
[17:41] <thinkmassive> TheSheep, right, but using a z or j flag does
[17:44] <vidd> is there a way to force synaptic to reload (like apt-get update) on launch?
[17:45] <Raz0R> TheSheep but it doesnt have the driver for this hardware
[17:45] <vidd> Raz0R, what hardware?
[17:46] <Raz0R> belkin f5d7000 wireless network card
[17:46] <Raz0R> using rtl8185L chipset
[17:46] <Raz0R> i have the linux driver for it
[17:46] <Raz0R> but when i try and run the ./wlan0up part of the driver installation i get this
[17:47] <Raz0R> http://pastebin.com/m35fbbaa3
[17:47] <vidd> did you verify that the driver is not blacklisted on your system?
[17:47] <Raz0R> vidd that device has no blacklisted drivers as far as i can tell
[17:47] <vidd> eeepc?
[17:47] <Raz0R> sorry i dont understand?
[17:48] <vidd> what device?
[17:48] <Raz0R> the interface card
[17:48] <vidd> the computer
[17:48] <Raz0R> its a desktop pc
[17:48] <vidd> nvmd
[17:48] <evilbug> how can i access the gnome audio preferences panel? (something like gnome-power-preferences but for sound?)
[17:49] <vidd> ok....the issue is that the intalation program you are running is looking for files that are either not on your machine, or are not in the folder the app is looking at
[17:49] <vidd> how did you get this driver?
[17:49] <TheSheep> evilbug: click on the whistle icon on your panel
[17:50] <TheSheep> evilbug: or in the settings manager
[17:50] <Raz0R> vidd its from here: http://willdaniels.co.uk/articles/howto-guides/10-howto/12-r8180-hardy
[17:50] <vidd> TheSheep, is the volume applet active by default now?
[17:50] <evilbug> TheSheep- there is no way to access the exact gnome pref panel for that?
[17:51] <TheSheep> evilbug: sure, you can install gnome and then you can access the gnome panel
[17:51] <vidd> haha
[17:52] <evilbug> TheSheep- right.
[17:52] <vidd> Raz0R, where did you unzip the folder to?
[17:52] <Raz0R> vidd desktop
[17:54] <vidd> and did you "cd Desktop/[name of folder] before step 4?
[17:57] <Raz0R> yes
[17:57] <Raz0R> im in the right place :)
[17:57] <vidd> if you browse that folder, do you see the files listed?
[17:59] <vidd> .... are you working as root?
[17:59] <vidd> or are you using sudo?
[18:00] <Raz0R> sudo
[18:00] <Raz0R> and i dont see the files
[18:00] <Raz0R> i see some, but not those
[18:00] <vidd> run the ./makedrv again....pastebin the output for me
[18:02] <vidd> Raz0R, ill be back in a little bit
[18:03] <Raz0R> ok ill pastebin it:
[18:04] <Raz0R> http://pastebin.com/m5c3094fe
[18:13]  * vidd is back
[18:17] <vidd> ok.... Raz0R ...
[18:17] <vidd> cd to /home/alex/Desktop/rtl8185/rtl8185
[18:18] <Raz0R> vidd yes
[18:18] <vidd> then run sudo ./wlan0up
[18:19] <vidd> any luck now?
[18:20] <Raz0R> just a se
[18:20] <Raz0R> ssec*
[18:20] <vidd> =]
[18:21] <Raz0R> http://pastebin.com/m6b54520
[18:22] <vidd> whoops....drop the last directory
[18:22] <vidd> cd to /home/alex/Desktop/rtl8185/
[18:22] <Raz0R> ok...
[18:23] <Raz0R> same thing as before
[18:24] <vidd> pastebin the wlan0up file for me?
[18:26] <Raz0R> http://pastebin.com/m7eb0d725
[18:26] <Raz0R> is it because the device is in use???? i also see that thjere are errors from the makedrv part
[18:27] <vidd> the device is in use?
[18:27] <Raz0R> yeah im using a ndiswrapper driver on it
[18:27] <Raz0R> otherwise no internet connection
[18:28] <vidd> yeah....that would mess it up
[18:28] <Raz0R> oh
[18:28] <Raz0R> even though the makedrv isnt installing the ko files?
[18:28] <vidd> but it IS making the files
[18:29] <Raz0R> you sure?
[18:29] <vidd> at least....its supposed to be
[18:29] <Raz0R> i did locate r8180.ko and it found nothing
[18:31] <Raz0R> ??
[18:31] <Raz0R> man this is confusing :)
[18:31] <vidd> i would disable the ndiswrapper and retry
[18:31] <vidd> the worst thing to happen is nothing =]
[18:31] <Raz0R> is there a way to diable ndiswrapper without deleting it all, because otherwise i have to re set up ndiswrapper
[18:32] <vidd> TheSheep, does modprobe -r ndiswrapper turn off ndiswrapper or unintall it?
[18:32] <TheSheep> unloads it from teh kernel
[18:32] <th0r> TheSheep, it removes it
[18:33] <vidd> so modprobe -a ndiswrapper would reload and he would not have to restart from scratch?
[18:37] <vidd> Raz0R, if you "sudo modprobe -r ndiswrapper" it will take ndiswrapper "offline" and you can bring it back with "sudo modprobe -a ndiswrapper"
[18:38] <Raz0R> ok thanks ill try that in 5 minutes
[18:38] <Raz0R> im talking to someone else who says they know what the problem is
[18:38] <vidd> ah...if they get it to work....give me a heads-up =]
[18:42] <Raz0R> ok :)
[19:04] <Raz0R> vidd it seems i didnt install build essential
[19:04] <vidd> D'OH!!!!
[19:05] <Raz0R> lol i know what a n00b!!!
[19:05] <vidd> it was step 1
[19:05] <vidd> =]
[19:06] <Raz0R> yeah i assumed i had it :)
[19:06] <vidd> a good rule of thumb....
[19:07] <Raz0R> brb just disabling ndiswrapper
[19:20] <jan___> vidd: regarding my mutt question earlier on.
[19:21] <jan___> it was a pebtac
[19:21] <jan___> I selected the Imap folder with 'enter' instead of 'space'
[19:21] <jan___> 'space' shows the content of the selected folders
[19:21] <vidd> hah
[19:21] <jan___> ^^
[19:41] <whileimhere> Hey folks I was wondering is there a way to open up the volume dialog without placing it into your panel?
[19:42] <Odd-rationale> whileimhere: well, in terminal do "alsamixer"
[19:43] <whileimhere> I was hoping that I could find it under the appliications buttone
[19:46] <th0r> whileimhere, install the alsamixergui and it will appear in Multimedia
[19:50] <whileimhere> got disconnected there
[19:50] <whileimhere> Will gnome icons work with XFCE?
[19:50] <th0r> whileimhere, install the alsamixergui and it will appear in Multimedia
[19:51] <whileimhere> okay cool on that.
[19:51] <th0r> whileimhere, you will have to install a lot of gnome support libs
[19:51] <whileimhere> really?
[19:51] <whileimhere>  Darn.
[19:51] <whileimhere> Not worth it then
[19:52] <whileimhere> I am just working on making it look good and xfce-look has very little to go on.
[19:53] <whileimhere> Why is it that my Trash icon and the home icon on the desktop cannot be positioned to close to the screen border or the panel?
[19:54] <vidd> If i understand your question correctly.....
[19:55] <vidd> the desktop icons are posistioned into a grid and each grid-square is larger then the icons
[19:55] <whileimhere> yeah that sounds right
[19:56] <vidd> im sure there is a method to "trim" the padding around your icons
[19:56] <whileimhere> Probably a real pain to do
[19:56] <vidd> but i never cared enough to fool around with it =]
[19:57] <Raz0R> how do i prevent ndiswrapper from running at bootime?
[19:57] <whileimhere> I would like to run AWM but it goes slow on my machine.
[19:57] <TheSheep> whileimhere: xfce4-mixer
[19:57] <vidd> I only found this out when i had too many desktop icons, and when i removed items, it didnt auto-arange
[19:57] <TheSheep> whileimhere: you can make a launcher for it
[19:57] <Raz0R> i want to see if i can load alt driver but dont want conflict
[19:58] <TheSheep> Raz0R: add it to the balcklist
[19:58] <TheSheep> Raz0R: in /etc/modprobe somewhere
[19:58] <vidd> TheSheep, ya beat me to it again
[19:58] <whileimhere> TheSheep thanks I will check on it.
[19:58] <TheSheep> Raz0R: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[19:59] <Raz0R> thesheep just type ndiswrapper?
[19:59] <Raz0R> (in that file()
[19:59] <TheSheep> I guess so
[19:59] <whileimhere> Okay here is a tough one. Is there a way to get rid of the trash and home icon on the desktop?
[19:59] <TheSheep> whileimhere: yes, you should have checkboxes in teh desktop settings
[20:00] <whileimhere> In the behaviors tab of the Desktop Settings I see that my SHOW ICONS FOR: boxes are all unchecked.
[20:01] <whileimhere> yet I still have them on the desktop
[20:02] <TheSheep> whileimhere:type 'xfdesktop --reload' in terminal
[20:03] <whileimhere> will that close whatever I am downloading?
[20:03] <TheSheep> no, it will just reload your background
[20:03] <whileimhere> Okay they are still there.
[20:04] <TheSheep> ok, then try killing it and starting again: killall xfdesktop
[20:04] <TheSheep> then alt+f2 and type xfdesktop
[20:04] <whileimhere> okay once more does this stop my downloads?
[20:04] <TheSheep> no :)
[20:06] <whileimhere> okay
[20:07] <whileimhere> no change
[20:07] <whileimhere> oh hold it
[20:07] <whileimhere> they just all went away
[20:08] <whileimhere> of course I cannot do anything on the desktop
[20:08] <whileimhere> I cannot right click for a menu or anything
[20:08] <TheSheep> press alt+f2 and type xfdesktop
[20:09] <whileimhere> okay desktop back but so are the home adn trash icons
[20:09] <TheSheep> hrm :/
[20:09] <TheSheep> weird, maybe it's taking them from defaults
[20:09] <whileimhere> oh never mind its not a big deal really.
[20:09] <whileimhere> I just turn all icons off
[20:09] <TheSheep> defaults are define in /etc/xdg/xfce4/desktop
[20:09] <TheSheep> yeah, that's a good idea, icons on dekstop are only distracting
[20:10] <whileimhere> LOL yes
[20:10] <whileimhere> how can I tell what the name of my wireless device is?
[20:10] <TheSheep> try lshw
[20:11] <whileimhere> That tells me alot but not what the name of the device is.
[20:11] <evilbug> how can i see and connect to other computers in my network?
[20:12] <whileimhere> like etho1 and such
[20:12] <TheSheep> ah, then try ifconfig
[20:12] <th0r> whileimhere, also try lspci
[20:12] <whileimhere> that was it
[20:12] <whileimhere> ifconfig
[20:13] <ewomer> my sister did an update and now her wireless wont connect
[20:13] <whileimhere> Where are icons stored that are not user installed?
[20:15] <ere4si> whileimhere:  /usr/share/icons
[20:15] <whileimhere> thanks
[20:15] <whileimhere> i see that the compositor doesnt differentiate icons on the panel from the panel itself so making the panel transparent takes the icons with it.
[20:17] <TheSheep> whileimhere: yeah, it sucks
[20:21] <Raz0R> hello, ive just updated to the 2.6.24-21 kernel and i can only have my resolution as 640x480
[20:21] <Raz0R> can anyone help
[20:23] <Raz0R> anyone?
[20:23] <vidd> Raz0R, you must have the wrong display adaptor selected
[20:24] <Raz0R> vidd a message came up at boot saying running in low graphics mode or something?
[20:24] <vidd> yes....
[20:24] <Raz0R> please type in caps as it is very hard for me to see anything
[20:24] <vidd> then pm me
[20:34] <ewomer> Raz0R, you need to re enable the restricted drivers
[20:35] <Raz0R> no i checked that already :P
[20:36] <ewomer> ATI OR NVIDIA
[20:36] <Raz0R> nvidia
[20:36] <Raz0R> geforce 4 ti 4200
[20:36] <ewomer> TRY REINSTALLING THE DRIVERS
[20:37] <ewomer> OUCH YOU ON A LAPTOP
[20:37] <Raz0R> no im on pc
[20:40] <ewomer> after updateing the kernel will my sister need to reinstall ndiswrapper and or the atheros drivers
[20:42] <ewomer> what is the dpkg reconfigure command is it dpkg-reconfigure or dpkg-configure -?
[20:44] <ewomer> is ndiswrapper and the windows atheros drivers still needed for the wireless atheros cards
[20:47] <RandyboY> Can i/how can i open a .uif image? (Not by burning on cd)
[20:56] <th0r> RandyboY, you might try fuseiso, but I don't know if it will do a uif or not
[20:56] <th0r> RandyboY, I know it handles iso files just fine
[20:58] <RandyboY> mh, ok, could try that
[20:58] <th0r> RandyboY, you might also want to follow up on this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=689285
[20:59] <DARKUS> hi!
[20:59] <DARKUS> i installed xubuntu on my p3 256m ram
[20:59] <DARKUS> and i don't have sound
[21:00] <DARKUS> can somone help me?
[21:00] <DARKUS> i have another problem
[21:00] <vidd> DARKUS, laptop or desktop?
[21:00] <DARKUS> desktop
[21:01] <vidd> have you verified the speakers are on/plugged in/volume up?
[21:01] <DARKUS> 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 05)
[21:01] <DARKUS> i really don't have the icon of the sound
[21:02] <DARKUS> near the time...
[21:02] <DARKUS> it's ubnormal
[21:02] <DARKUS> abnormal*
[21:02] <vidd> you can add the icon for the volume control by right-clicking on the panel, add, volume manager
[21:03] <vidd> so you have sound....just not the icon?
[21:03] <Raz0R> fixed it but i can now only get in to xubuntu using the recovery mode for that  kerenel
[21:03] <vidd> Raz0R, im out of ideas then
[21:04] <DARKUS> no
[21:04] <DARKUS> i don't have sound at all
[21:04] <Raz0R> seems to be working
[21:04] <vidd> DARKUS, did you add the volume control icon?
[21:04] <Tailsfan> Hi There, Can Xubuntu can installed on a 64 MB RAM System?
[21:04] <DARKUS> yes
[21:05] <vidd> DARKUS, right-click and choose "properties"
[21:05] <DARKUS> yes
[21:05] <Genelyk> not , very low ram
[21:06] <vidd> hit the drop-down for "Device"
[21:06] <Tailsfan> So I can't run it
[21:06] <vidd> what choices do you have?
[21:06] <DARKUS> intel
[21:07] <vidd> Tailsfan, 64mb would be better served on something like Damn Small Linux
[21:07] <Tailsfan> :(
[21:07] <Tailsfan> OK
[21:07] <vidd> DARKUS, intel and default?
[21:08] <DARKUS> #0: Intel 82801BA-ICH2, default, #1: MPU-401 UART
[21:08] <vidd> select #0
[21:09] <DARKUS> done
[21:11] <vidd> set the slider to maximum, and set the speaker volume (if you can contol it) to about halk
[21:11] <vidd> *half
[21:11] <vidd> then play a sound
[21:13] <vidd> anything?
[21:14] <DARKUS> i have an icon near the time
[21:14] <vidd> right
[21:14] <DARKUS> it says unable to get data
[21:14] <vidd> ....
[21:15] <vidd> what app are you using to play a sound?
[21:15] <DARKUS> totem
[21:15] <vidd> is totem's volume turned up?
[21:15] <DARKUS> yes
[21:16] <vidd> double-click your volume control icon
[21:16] <DARKUS> it's in max
[21:16] <vidd> are you playing a cd?
[21:16] <DARKUS> no
[21:16] <DARKUS> mp3
[21:17] <vidd> set pcm to max
[21:17] <DARKUS> pcm?
[21:18] <vidd> when you open the volume control applet,
[21:18] <DARKUS> yes
[21:18] <DARKUS> i have turned all in max
[21:18] <vidd> you have a slider for Master, Master Mono, 3D Control Sigmatel-Depth, .....
[21:19] <DARKUS> yes
[21:19] <vidd> do you have a cd you can play a real song from?
[21:19] <vidd> one that you dont need a codec installed to listen to?
[21:20] <vidd> (i.e. not an MP3)
[21:21]  * vidd does not know if MP3 playback is auto-enabled by default
[21:23] <DARKUS> wait
[21:24] <DARKUS> i rebboot
[21:24] <jan___> vidd: might this help DARKUS? > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[21:24] <jan___> I guess mp3 is also a restricted format
[21:25] <vidd> welll....it depends....
[21:25] <jan___> he should do a sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:25] <vidd> i dont know if it is or is not
[21:25] <vidd> i just want to see if it's his card or the file
[21:26] <jan___> I see
[21:27] <jan___> could also be a DRM issue
[21:27] <jan___> so a good point to let him test
[21:28]  * vidd does tech suport for an ISP....
[21:28] <vidd> troubleshooting from the ground up is always the path of least resistance.....if the client co-operates!
[21:30] <jan___> that's true
[21:30] <jan___> I do the same for an insurance company
[21:30] <jan___> sometimes it's a pretty hard job
[21:31] <jan___> it's a great thing that you help other people here
[21:31] <Dark_Shadow> hi
[21:31] <jan___> hi Dark_Shadow
[21:31] <Dark_Shadow> that's me DARKUS
[21:32] <vidd> ok....you get a music cd?
[21:32] <Dark_Shadow> after installing the new packets
[21:32] <Dark_Shadow> my pc don't boot
[21:32] <Dark_Shadow> it says starting...
[21:32] <vidd> what new packets?
[21:33] <Dark_Shadow> and stop there
[21:34] <Dark_Shadow> the update
[21:34] <Dark_Shadow> i don't know what to do
[21:34] <vidd> is it still trying to load?
[21:34] <Dark_Shadow> :/
[21:34] <Dark_Shadow> no
[21:34] <Dark_Shadow> it stops
[21:35] <vidd> ok....let me re-phrase....
[21:35] <vidd> are you talking to me on that machine or a different machine?
[21:36] <Drarok> Is there a pre-made image for USB booting a xubuntu image? I'm on a Mac, which it would appear syslinux doesn't support.
[21:37] <jan___> you could make your own stick
[21:37] <jan___> follow the instructions on www.pendrivelinux.com
[21:37] <Drarok> I'm trying to, but I can't use syslinux to make it bootable...
[21:37] <Drarok> Ah, a new link. I was following the ubuntu wiki
[21:37] <jan___> there are some manuals for ubuntu, that will work with xubuntu as well
[21:38] <jan___> follow this one: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2008/05/21/usb-xubuntu-804-persistent-install-from-live-cd/
[21:38] <Drarok> "via a running Xubuntu 8 Live CD. "
[21:38] <Drarok> Bah :(
[21:39] <jan___> you have it installed somewhere?
[21:39] <Drarok> Nope
[21:39] <jan___> Or you wanna create it out of windows?
[21:39] <jan___> or MacOS?
[21:39] <Drarok> I don't have Windows...
[21:39] <Drarok> It'd be nice to just get an img and dd it onto my stick, tbh.
[21:40] <Drarok> I'll have to buy some CDs at this rate. I thought it'd be trivial to make an ISO boot on a USB stick
[21:41] <vidd> Drarok, you have an intel-based mac?
[21:41] <Drarok> Seems everything requires syslinux in some way or other.
[21:41] <Drarok> vidd: Yeah
[21:41] <jan___> It would be if you find and image that you could dd onty your stick
[21:41] <vidd> that you want to install linux on?
[21:41] <Drarok> EeePC
[21:42] <Drarok> Xandros is annoying the tits offa me
[21:42] <vidd> there is a eeepc version of ubuntu or xubuntu out there
[21:43] <jan___> yeah one for a sd card installation
[21:43] <Drarok> Yeah, they still all follow the same steps as regular 'buntu
[21:43] <jan___> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USBInstallationImages
[21:43] <Drarok> "Burn this to CD, then insert stick, blah blah".
[21:43] <Drarok> Seems a waste.
[21:43] <vidd> but you can make it off the eeepc
[21:43] <jan___> Seems like a handy script is on the way
[21:43] <Drarok> vidd: You'd think so, huh?
[21:43] <Drarok> No gcc on Xandros... O_o
[21:44] <vidd> how much extra hd space you have on that?
[21:44] <Drarok> A gig, maybe?
[21:44] <thinkmassive> my ctrl, alt, and shift keys just quit responding normally, and pressing ctrl made firefox crash
[21:44] <thinkmassive> anyone seen this?
[21:44] <thinkmassive> it happened after I ran vmware server console
[21:45] <vidd> im thinking qemu
[21:46] <vidd> but you dont have enough hd space
[21:46] <vidd> you have a real computer?
[21:46] <vidd> well....
[21:46]  * Drarok rolls eyes
[21:46] <vidd> a desktop or laptop?
[21:46] <Drarok> Was inevitable, really :P
[21:47] <vidd> something with more hd space
[21:47] <Drarok> I'd say a dual dual Xeon is pretty "real"
[21:47] <Drarok> I've got shedloads of space on the Mac
[21:47] <vidd> so do this....
[21:47] <vidd> get qemu running on the mac
[21:48] <vidd> get the iso of the instalation disk
[21:48] <vidd> and mount the iso as a "fake" cd
[21:48] <vidd> make the qemu run xubuntu
[21:49] <Drarok> Boot a VM from the live CD, follow guide?
[21:49] <Drarok> Geniusly hacky.
[21:49] <vidd> then have the qemu'd xubuntu make the usb stick'
[21:49] <Drarok> Unlike my typing >_<
[21:49] <vidd> my motto is "Hack till it hurts....i mean works"
[21:49] <vidd> =]
[21:49] <jan___> lol
[21:50] <jan___> genius
[21:50] <jan___> nice idea!
[21:50] <jan___> he could also set up an tftp hosting a netbood image
[21:50] <jan___> and then ...
[21:50] <jan___> ^^
[21:50] <Drarok> I've done that before, took a while.
[21:50] <jan___> netboot even
[21:50] <vidd> this is how i got it on a system that had a burned out cd rom
[21:50] <Drarok> I've already got a BSD box doing my internet routing...
[21:51] <Dark_Shadow> vidd, i'm talking from another machine
[21:51] <vidd> Dark_Shadow, ok....does [ctrl][alt][f1] bring you to a command line?
[21:51] <Dark_Shadow> have i to reinstall xubuntu?
[21:51] <Dark_Shadow> no
[21:52] <vidd> Dark_Shadow, reboot into recovery mode
[21:52] <Dark_Shadow> euuuh
[21:52] <Dark_Shadow> anything happen
[21:52] <Dark_Shadow> after opening the pc
[21:52] <Dark_Shadow> and the grub start
[21:52] <Dark_Shadow> it says starting...
[21:52] <Dark_Shadow> that's all
[21:52] <Dark_Shadow> i can't run recovery mode
[21:53] <Dark_Shadow> i don't have the log in screen
[21:53] <vidd> so do you see the count-down?
[21:53] <Dark_Shadow> no
[21:53] <vidd> reboot....
[21:53] <Dark_Shadow> i rebooted 4 times
[21:53] <vidd> you should see a 3 second countdown
[21:54] <Dark_Shadow> the same thing
[21:54] <vidd> hit [esc]
[21:54] <vidd> hit [esc] befor the count-down is done
[21:54] <Dark_Shadow> euuh grub start
[21:54] <vidd> you should see a list
[21:54] <Dark_Shadow> the problem is after that grub runs
[21:55] <Dark_Shadow> i don't see anythig
[21:55] <Dark_Shadow> :/
[21:55] <vidd> when you see the list, choose an older kernel
[21:55] <vidd> then re-install =[
[21:55] <vidd> if i was there, i might be able to do something else
[21:56] <Dark_Shadow> i don't have any other OS
[21:56] <vidd> but from here, i see no other option
[21:56] <Dark_Shadow> tell me what can i do
[21:56] <Dark_Shadow> i'll try
[21:56] <vidd> re-install
[21:56] <vidd> i have to go home now =[
[21:57] <vidd> work day is done
[21:57] <vidd> ill be back on in about an hour or 2
[21:58] <Drarok> Man oh man qemu is sloooooooow
[21:58] <Drarok> Either that or 'buntu has crashed at the slash screen...
[21:58] <Drarok> Ooh! Progress bar!
[22:01] <slow-motion> re
[22:01] <Dark_Shadow> re
[22:04] <ewomer> in /etc/init.d/ should there be ant eth0.* or wlan0.* files or only just networking
[22:06] <ewomer> im trying to help my sister after an update issue with atheros wireless card on a laptop
[22:07] <ewomer> ndiswrapper dosent work anymore
[22:07] <ewomer> so im trying to get her to install madwifi from source
[22:07] <ewomer> but she cant even get lan running
[22:09] <Odd-rationale> ewomer: just networking in /etc/init.d/
[22:09] <ewomer> ok thanks
[22:29] <ewomer> my sister has a toshiba sattlite with a realteck lan card and after the update neither wired nor wireless works
[22:29] <ewomer> any one else have a problem with lan not working after an update
[22:30] <ewomer> she has hardy xubuntu installed
[22:33] <Raz0R> hello
[22:35] <maxamillion> Raz0R: hi
[22:35] <Raz0R> hey
[22:35] <Raz0R> have you any experience with the new kernel (2.6.24-19)
[22:36] <Raz0R> i mean -21 :)
[22:36] <Raz0R> dont know hwy i just did that
[22:37] <Raz0R> why*
[22:38] <Drarok> Arghghghghg I can't get a Terminal in Q >_<
[22:39] <Raz0R> can anyone tell me how i prevent the splash screen when booting xubuntu??
[22:40] <th0r> Raz0R, in /boot/grub/menu.lst change splash to splash-verbose...I think that will do it. But it then displays the startup messages that are being recorded by the system
[22:40] <Raz0R> thats what i want
[22:40] <th0r> (splash=verbose)...note the equal sign
[22:40] <Raz0R> thankyou
[22:43] <mib_9tykmm4m> Hello?
[22:43] <Raz0R> also, for some reason i dont have the network manager connection symbol at the top right anyone know why?????????????
[23:05] <Popolon> hii
[23:06] <Popolon> is there any project to subdivide by default the multimedia menu by several menues (audio/video/disk/...)
[23:06] <Popolon> this loooong list is really a pain
[23:07] <Raz0R> are there any alternatives to network manager??
[23:08] <Raz0R> are there any alternatives to network manager??
[23:09] <Raz0R> whoah
[23:11] <glitsj16> Raz0R: some swear by WICD, never used that personally .. there's a thread at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=587010 that might be of use ..
[23:12] <Raz0R> ive tried wicd
[23:12] <Raz0R> didnt work
[23:13] <Raz0R> i think i have a problem with nm because i have no connection icon is sys tray
[23:31] <floating> did you see http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/23/shuttleworth_apple_challenge/
[23:32] <ewomer> after installing modules/drivers from source and then installing them will she need to update modules
[23:45] <Raz0R> can anyone tell me why xubuntu hangs at boot? its hanging at the part where it says "setting the system clock"? thanks.
[23:51] <cody-somerville> Raz0R, Is this on a hard drive install or live cd?
[23:52] <Raz0R> cody-somerville hdd
[23:52] <cody-somerville> Did it just start doing it?
[23:52] <cody-somerville> Is it intermittent?
[23:52] <Raz0R> its only when i try and boot into the new -21 kernel
[23:53] <cody-somerville> It sounds like you need to file a bug report :)
[23:54] <Raz0R> oh
[23:55] <cody-somerville> You can do so by visiting http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
[23:55] <Raz0R> ok thankyou ill do that
[23:55] <Raz0R> also, how can i check if my wireless driver is installed correctly? i have no wlan0 device?
[23:56] <cody-somerville> I have a wireless device and I have no wlan0 device :)
[23:57] <Raz0R> lol
[23:57] <Raz0R> i have no wlan device
[23:57] <Raz0R> at all no wireless interface shows up when i do iwconfig
[23:58] <cody-somerville> Raz0R, then no, your device isn't detected correctly.
[23:58] <Raz0R> cody-somerville ok is there anyway to see what driver it is trying to use??
[23:59] <cody-somerville> Raz0R, you could try looking through the logs, I suppose
[23:59]  * cody-somerville is not a wireless guru :(