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[00:58] <gluer> alpha-3 out?
[01:36] <baron1984> Question, is it possible to use the kernel from Intrepid
[01:37] <baron1984> without getting the whole enchilada?
[01:37] <baron1984> I'm having some pretty horrible ACPI problems
[01:37] <baron1984> and I think 2.6.26 has a good chance of fixing them
[01:40] <DanaG> You can, if you're careful, and also get all the dependencies.
[01:40] <DanaG> By "all" I mean all those that are part of the kernel.
[01:41] <DanaG> And watch out for the changes in nvidia: it's no longer nvidia-glx{,old,new}; now it's by version.
[01:41] <baron1984> I suppose the predigested Nvidia modules are a no?
[01:41] <baron1984> like as in Envy
[01:41] <baron1984> I'm dealing with a seriously broken BIOS
[01:42] <baron1984> even patching it up to the latest version didn't help a whole lot
[01:43] <DanaG> The package names have changed: now they're nvidia-glx-77 nvidia-glx-96 nvidia-glx-173 (or maybe 177).
[01:43] <crdlb> nice!
[01:46] <DanaG> And it uses dkms to build itself for new kernel versions.
[01:49] <baron1984> DanaG: So what all do I need to install nvidia-glx-177 locally?
[01:50] <baron1984> jsut that and nvidia-kernel-source?
[01:51] <DanaG> I'm not sure, actually.
[01:53] <gluer> can i download alpha-3 iso yet?
[01:59] <burner> baron1984: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-177 worked here... then i edited xorg.conf
[02:02] <DanaG> but that also takes being on the Intrepid repos.
[02:05] <gluer> can i install the intrepid theme onto hardy?
[02:05]  * burner notes we are in #ubuntu+1
[02:05]  * burner likes the new theme... screw the naysayers!
[02:05] <gluer> i love it too
[02:06] <burner> i notice it's smaller and takes up less screen real estate which is nice :)
[02:06] <gluer> ive got 3 laptops running intrepid and 1 with hardy
[02:06] <gluer> waiting patiently for alpha-3
[02:06] <gluer> ;-)
[02:07] <burner> i'm waiting till network manager 0.7 hits to take the time to move my laptop
[02:07] <burner> until rather
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[02:34] <izanbardprince> I would use XFCE
[02:34] <izanbardprince> if it had a nicer wifi management applet
[02:34] <izanbardprince> and easier compositing support
[02:35] <izanbardprince> I really hate the theme in Intrepid
[02:35] <izanbardprince> I hope they don't ditch the old ones
[02:35] <izanbardprince> the Tango icon theme doesn't go well with NewHuman
[02:35] <izanbardprince> everything else is fine
[02:38] <izanbardprince> is Pulseaudio still screwy in Intrepid?
[02:54] <ethana2> Does evolution in intrepid know how to use gmail and such or does it still have to ask the user every little annoying thing?
[02:55] <izanbardprince> ethana: still have to configure it
[02:59] <ethana2> *sigh*
[03:00] <ethana2> It'll be nice when we can match mac mail's ease of use
[03:01] <ethana2> i'll be joining you folks in a few days when the livecd comes out
[03:01] <ethana2> then i send in my ubuntu inspiron to get a new mainboard
[03:01] <ethana2> ...then i'll be back on intrepid, submitting bugs left and right
[03:01] <ethana2> see ya
[03:51] <LSD|Ninja> http://www.hexellent.com/files/26/Screenshot-Update-Manager.jpg <- any idea wht update manager has started doing that (making the name and description fields 2/3-3/4 smaller than they should be)?
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[04:38] <kfazz> hello
[04:39] <kfazz> offhand, anybody experience crash and burn with linux-image-2.6.26-3-generic on real hardware?
[04:40] <kfazz> cuz i do, it doesn't even panic
[04:41] <kfazz> windows and hardy's kernel are fine, so i don't think it's hardware
[04:41] <kfazz> it will boot with nosmp or noacpi though.
[04:41] <kfazz> also happens on linux-image-2.6.26-4-generic
[04:42] <RAOF> kfazz: Nope; no problems here.
[04:42] <RAOF> Kindly File A Bug(tm) :)
[04:43] <kfazz> i plan to, i just wanted to know if there are any debug boot options that will let me pinpoint the error a bit more beofre i write one
[04:44] <kfazz> i tried "debug" but it didn't add any more boot messages than usual
[04:53] <DanaG> you use it without "quiet", right?
[04:56] <jetsaredim> is there a cd download for intrepid at this point?
[04:57] <baron1984> yes
[04:57] <baron1984> but you have to use the text installer
[04:57] <baron1984> livecd won't be implemented til Alpha 3
[04:57] <baron1984> the first thing Alpha 2 does is crash
[04:57] <jetsaredim> odd - but that's ok for me
[04:57] <jetsaredim> ?
[04:57] <baron1984> you have to drop to the terminal and dist-upgrade
[04:58] <baron1984> broken package that ships with the Alpha 2 ISO
[04:58] <jetsaredim> so use the alt-install?
[04:58] <baron1984> drop to the terminal
[04:58] <baron1984> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:58] <jetsaredim> yea - no problem
[04:58] <baron1984> let it do it's thing, and then sudo reboot now
[04:58] <baron1984> you'll also have to configure Pulseaudio by hand
[04:58] <jetsaredim> o?
[04:58] <baron1984> there's a guide on the forum for that
[04:59] <jetsaredim> maybe i'll come back once i've done the dist-upgrade
[04:59] <baron1984> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=866965
[04:59] <gnomefreak> theres a wiki for PA
[04:59] <baron1984> well, Pulse will try to use your modem as a speaker
[04:59] <baron1984> until you do that
[04:59] <baron1984> so don't freak out
[04:59]  * jetsaredim doesn't have a modem
[05:00] <baron1984> well, if you hear a screeching, this is why
[05:00] <jetsaredim> heh ok
[05:00] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio maybe easier to follow
[05:00] <gnomefreak> @whoami
[05:00] <ubottu> gnomefreak: gnomefreak
[05:00] <gnomefreak> good
[05:00] <jetsaredim> so i need the alt-installer iso or the normal installer
[05:00] <gnomefreak> !pulseaudio
[05:00] <ubottu> PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions
[05:01] <gnomefreak> jetsaredim: you have no choice ther eis only a text installer
[05:01] <baron1984> Pulseaudio is nuts
[05:01] <baron1984> and for me anyway, it caused 10 problems for every one thing it did better
[05:02] <jetsaredim> those were features
[05:02] <jetsaredim> no one told you?
[05:02] <baron1984> playing sound through my modem, wrecking my Logitech headset
[05:02] <baron1984> bah
[05:03] <baron1984> to me, this is like them polishing the chrome before they see if it even starts
[05:03] <jetsaredim> ...but its so shiny
[05:04] <jetsaredim> ok - sad when torrent is slower than straight wget
[05:04] <baron1984> I'm in the middle of dist upgrading
[05:05] <baron1984> Intel seems to have done a lot of work to get 2.6.26 working with all kinds of crappy ACPI implementations
[05:05] <gnomefreak> jetsaredim: that is normal since people seed off you with torrents
[05:05] <baron1984> which I am a victim of
[05:06] <baron1984> all these motherboard makers just make sure it works with Windows
[05:06] <baron1984> which is extremely forgiving of obvious screwups
[05:06] <baron1984> so Linux had to implement Vista-like ACPI error handling
[05:06] <baron1984> :P
[05:07] <baron1984> so hopefully at least some stuff that is not working now will when I reboot with the new kernel
[05:07] <baron1984> this just disgusts me to no end
[05:08] <baron1984> oh well, if the mountain won't come to Mohammad.....
[05:09] <baron1984> I can't think of any good reason they'd ship a BIOS this screwed up
[05:09] <baron1984> except being well paid by Microsoft
[05:09] <baron1984> kickbacks, you know I love em
[05:14] <baron1984> "Buy Windows Vista" my tail end
[05:14] <baron1984> Makes me want to go to Beijing and kick that guy in the nuts
[05:18] <DanaG> baron1984: pcspkr, not modem.
[05:18] <DanaG> at least, that's the issue I heard about.
[05:18] <baron1984> all I know is it sounded like a tin can going through the garbage disposal
[05:18] <DanaG> I didn't have that issue, though -- my pcspkr doesn't even work at all once hda-intel loads.
[05:18] <baron1984> and I thought my hard disk was crashing
[05:18] <baron1984> scared the hell out of me
[05:20]  * baron1984 wonders how an obvious bug with an obvious fix lives on
[05:22] <DanaG> snd-pcsp shouldn't load unless no other audio devices exist, I'd say.
[05:22] <DanaG> And even then, it shouldn't take index 0.
[05:22] <DanaG> More like 99, or something.
[06:00] <jetsaredim> ok - wait - so if the iso is somewhat broken - how do i get gnome up and running form the install?
[06:01] <jetsaredim> or is the install fine once you dist-upgrade?
[06:04] <Hobbsee> the latter.  more or less.
[06:04] <Hobbsee> boot without splash.
[06:05] <RAOF> Or fix uvesafb, I believe.
[06:05] <RAOF> Hiya Hobbsee
[06:05] <Hobbsee> heya!
[06:08] <RAOF> Backs suck.
[06:09] <jetsaredim> but that all comes back after the dist-upgrade?
[06:09]  * jetsaredim thinks maybe I should shoot for 8.04.1
[06:12] <Hobbsee> intrepid is not for general use, or mission critical stuff.
[06:12] <Hobbsee> if you're thinking about that, or 8.04.1, you should go for the latter.
[06:13] <LSD|Ninja> http://www.hexellent.com/files/26/Screenshot-Update-Manager.jpg <- any idea why Update Manager is doing that now?
[06:15] <LSD|Ninja> I tried resizing the window, didn't help
[06:24] <afallenhope> How would I disable ping using ufw?
[06:25] <jetsaredim> icmp
[06:25] <afallenhope> that's the protocol
[06:25] <afallenhope> how would I disable the echo/rquest
[07:25] <DanaG> Oh hey, I have some third-party themes repo installed, but want to prefer official versions of things.
[07:26] <DanaG> How would I set the apt preferences file to prefer, say, gtk-engines-nodoka 0.7.0-1 over 0.7.0-1nano (which is from the third-party repo)?
[07:26] <RAOF> Time for apt preferences!
[07:27] <RAOF> I believe the answer is to set the priority of that repo to 1
[07:29] <DanaG> Hmm, now how to isolate that repo... it doesn't provide a Release file.
[07:29] <RAOF> You're looking at "man apt_preferences", yes?
[07:30] <DanaG> aah, I was looking at stuff online, but I'll pull up the man pages, too.
[07:33] <DanaG> heh, turns out they're the same.
[07:33] <DanaG> http://linux.die.net/man/5/apt_preferences
[07:34] <RAOF> :)
[07:34] <LSD|Ninja> http://www.hexellent.com/files/26/Screenshot-Update-Manager.jpg <- any idea why Update Manager is doing that now?
[07:34] <RAOF> Because EXA's broken?
[07:34] <DanaG> er, that didn't work -- there's not a target release set.
[07:36] <DanaG> Aah, have to also pin origin:"Ubuntu"
[07:36] <RAOF> Heh; go the other way :)
[07:36] <RAOF> Pin everything to a low value, then bump up Ubuntu.
[07:36] <LSD|Ninja> RAOF: ?
[07:37] <RAOF> LSD|Ninja: That's basically a "dunno", but it's an obvious drawing error.
[07:37] <DanaG> I want to pin Ubuntu to whatever makes it the same as setting the target release.
[07:38] <DanaG> Eeh, I'll go with ... oh, 990.
[07:39] <DanaG> priority 990 to the versions that are not installed and belong to the target release.
[07:39] <DanaG> Perhaps I should set it to 900... so I don't get the "what happens if it's not installed yet" thing.
[07:42] <DanaG> dag-blast it.... update-manager still offers the upgrade.
[07:43] <mvo> DanaG: in hardy you can modify /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[07:44] <DanaG> I don't want to do something that unsupported, though.  I just want to un-prefer a specific repo for same-real-version packages.
[07:48] <DanaG> oh.
[07:48] <DanaG> W: Did not understand pin type version
[07:49] <DanaG> oh....kay...
[07:49] <DanaG> then I don't know what to do.
[07:54] <DanaG> aah, pin by origin www.nanolx.org
[07:55] <DanaG> and needs to be Pin-Priority, not Pin-priority
[07:57] <DanaG> Thanks!
[07:58] <DanaG> Oh yeah, random note: the Ubuntu google start-page still has the old "bleeding" Heron.
[07:58] <jianfei> yep
[07:59] <RAOF> So long, compiz.  Back to nouveau time.
[07:59] <DanaG> So long, s2ram, then.
[07:59] <DanaG> =þ
[07:59] <RAOF> Indeed.
[08:00]  * DanaG needs his sleep too much.
[08:00] <DanaG> Speaking of which..... I should go to bed soon.
[08:00] <DanaG> =þ
[08:00] <RAOF> I've grown used to not having it.
[08:00] <RAOF> :P
[08:00] <DanaG> !date
[08:00] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about date
[08:00] <DanaG> er
[08:00] <DanaG> Thu Jul 24 00:00:31 PDT 2008
[08:00] <RAOF> You can always try nv_bios to get s2ram with nouveau. ;)
[08:01] <DanaG> nv_bios?
[08:03] <RAOF> A kernel module by everyone's favourite Matthew Garrett to get s2ram working on nv.
[08:05] <DanaG> Now to make synaptic obey apt preferences...
[08:06] <DanaG> oh wait... it did.
[08:10] <RAOF> Yup.  Everything should.
[08:19] <RAOF> DanaG: That's because aptitude has more smarts than apt; but apt_preferences works right down by the coalface.
[08:20] <DanaG> coalface?  That's a new one.  "Bare metal" is more familiar.
[08:21] <jianfei> right under the g-string
[08:21] <jianfei> lol
[08:21] <RAOF> The coalface is there before the metal even exsits!
[08:26] <DanaG> You don't make metal out of coal.
[08:26] <DanaG> =þ
[08:27] <DanaG> bed now.
[08:27] <DanaG> Thu Jul 24 00:27:08 PDT 2008
[08:28]  * DanaG goes off §£∃∃¶ing.
[08:29] <DanaG> Oh, I just love SCIM + altgr-intl keyboard.
[08:29] <DanaG> scim-tables-additional for the "LaTex" table, specifically.
[09:50] <Bert_2> Hi, I have a question about the icons the upcoming ubuntu intrepid
[09:51] <Bert_2> will there finally be an icon for PGP encrypted files in human ?
[09:51] <Bert_2> cause I think it's rather silly that seahorse was in hardy by standard but that it's files just look the same as unidentified octet-stream files
[09:54] <gnomefreak> Bert_2: too early to know artwork is last to get finalized
[09:54] <Bert_2> gnomefreak: okey, but do you have any idea why there wasn't such an icon in hardy ?
[09:55] <gnomefreak> Bert_2: no
[09:56] <Bert_2> gnomefreak: okey, thx and sorry for bothering you
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[12:49] <Martiini> has there been alfa 3 yet for intrepid ? My intrepid doesnt upgrade for some reason
[12:51] <Martiini> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule says intrepid alpha 3 release date 24 july .. (which is today) but I dont get any upgardes .. anyone ??
[12:54] <gnomefreak> Martiini: not yet and there are broken packages is why it wont upgrade
[12:55] <gnomefreak> Martiini: today isnt the 24th for everyone
[12:56] <gnomefreak> and in my case its not yet 8am on the 24th
[12:56] <gnomefreak> Martiini: look for it in 12-24 hours
[12:56] <Martiini> cool
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[12:59] <Martiini> anyone know what distributions does Linus Torvalds use
[13:00] <gnomefreak> Martiini: please move to #ubuntu-offtopic for that
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[14:38] <plagerism> Is the nvidia driver fixed in intrepid yet?
[14:54] <gnomefreak> plagerism: define fixed
[14:55] <gnomefreak> plagerism: it works some people have issues setting it up since the name change
[14:55] <gnomefreak> plagerism: most likely you will run into issues if you dont know what you are doing
[15:02] <alexott> hello all
[15:03] <alexott> is anybody have problem with fresh Xorg & Nvidia in fresh Interpid? For it crashed every hour
[15:09] <gnomefreak> alexott: nope what card is it?
[15:09] <gnomefreak> 8xxx?
[15:10] <alexott> http://alexott.dev.webwasher.com/~ott/swgarch/swgarch-freebsd-rev4852-test.tar.gz
[15:10] <alexott> sorry
[15:10] <alexott> nVidia Corporation NV43GL [Quadro FX 540] (rev a2)
[15:11] <alexott> i use nvidia-glx-173
[15:14] <gnomefreak> alexott: thats what i have nad no issues with crashing
[15:16] <alexott> gnomefreak: i had reported it to launchpad - bug number 251430
[15:17] <gnomefreak> alexott: than one of the X guys will get to it
[15:43] <G_009> bug 251430
[15:43] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 251430 in xorg "X server crash very often on interpid + Nvidia" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/251430
[15:52] <smallfoot-> alhpa3 is come today???
[16:06] <smallfoot-> when is alpha3 come?
[16:06] <smallfoot-> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha3 <-- 404
[16:06] <smallfoot-> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha2 <-- this exist
[16:06] <Hobbsee> never, impatient one.
[16:07] <smallfoot-> oh
[16:08] <smallfoot-> hey Hobbsee you are the one that did banned me from #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:08] <smallfoot-> plz unban me
[16:09] <Hobbsee> wow, that was the end of may.
[16:10] <smallfoot-> yes, long time ago
[16:11] <G_009> anybody got a link for server edition
[16:12] <Hobbsee> either way though, it's really not my fault that you decided to flame me, and your persistence in blaming me makes me very inclined to think that you've not learned your lesson about acceptable conduct.
[16:12]  * Hobbsee does, in fact, read -ops
[16:13] <G_009> smallfoot-: your application has been rejected, you must bring penguin to altar next time
[16:14] <Hobbsee> G_009: *grin*
[16:16] <smallfoot-> Hobbsee, you banned me, so its your fault, that i cant enter #ubuntu-offtopic, so please unban me
[16:16] <smallfoot-> G_009, :(
[16:17] <Hobbsee> smallfoot-: if you'd behaved, you would never have been banned.
[16:17] <Hobbsee> however, this is not the place.
[16:17] <Hobbsee> and you've been told that before
[16:17] <smallfoot-> its not too late to correct your fault, you can still unban me
[16:18] <Hobbsee> ...
[16:18] <G_009> your wording is not pleasing the penguins
[16:18] <smallfoot-> :(
[16:20] <G_009> you need a little more finesse
[16:20] <smallfoot-> alpha2 has many problems? its unstable? video, audio, graphics, works?
[16:20] <G_009> !server
[16:20] <ubottu> Ubuntu Server Edition is a release of Ubuntu designed especially for server environments, including a server-specific !kernel and no !GUI. The install CD contains many server applications. Current !LTS version is 8.04. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerFaq/ - The #ubuntu-server channel provides specific support
[16:24] <plagerism> gnomefreak, I installed it a few weeks, and it was when they were splitting apart the packages, if there is a package, I will find it, just as long as it is there, dont mind if the restricted driver manager doesnt handle it
[16:25] <gnomefreak> it doesnt AFAIK
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[16:25] <gnomefreak> plagerism: as i said it works for me but people have issues with them only because they dont know how to recover from broken xorg.conf
[16:26] <gnomefreak> broken == needs to be re made in alot of cases
[16:26]  * G_009 is waiting 'til RDM can
[16:27] <G_009> there were a few interesting updates to that effect today
[16:35]  * DanaG likes the new Nautilus
[16:36] <plagerism> gnomefreak, cool thanks downloading now
[16:36] <smallfoot-> If anyone wants to chat about Ubuntu in a relaxed fashion, then you can join #ubuntu-social the Ubuntu Social Club! Happy times!
[16:39] <DanaG> Probably not an official ubuntu channel anyway, right?
[16:40] <Hobbsee> nope
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[16:40] <Hobbsee> didn't survive for long, either
[16:40] <DanaG> Not in /list, either.
[16:41] <Hobbsee> well, it doens't help when the guy did that after trying to do the whole "asl" thing.
[16:56] <Luckrider_> I got a new external hdd, and I want to find out what the location is, I do fdisk -l, and nothing comes up
[16:56] <Luckrider_> it goes straight to a new lin
[16:57] <plagerism> Luckrider_: dmesg, if you just plugged it in, should give you some information at the bottom as to what the drive was named
[16:57] <Luckrider_> it is a NTFS formatted drive, I am trying to reformat it
[16:58] <Luckrider_> btw, thanks in advanced for the help
[17:00] <Luckrider_> plagerism?
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[17:06] <AnAnt> Hello, is beta3 out yet ?
[17:06] <Hobbsee> no
[17:06] <AnAnt> alpha3 sorry
[17:08] <AnAnt> when is alpha3 supposed to get out ?
[17:09] <AnAnt> ah, today !
[17:09] <AnAnt> ok
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[18:34] <orangepeelbeef> this isn't an intrepid question, but it's about git kernel source from hardy
[18:34] <orangepeelbeef> guys how do i build the git linux-modules in hardy it keeps saying it needs the source for 2.6.24-21 but the latest package in the repo is 2.6.24-19
[18:44] <ethana2> Hopefully I can try intrepid out before I have to send my inspiron 1420n back to dell for a new mainboard
[18:45] <ethana2> i think i'll lurk around here 'till alpha 3 is out
[20:20] <simi> hi, how is the boot speed in 8.10 compare to 8.04 have they improved the boot time?
[20:24] <ethana2> simi: www.phoronix.com
[20:25] <ethana2> simi: when alpha 3 is released, you'll see all those comparisons on that site i'm sure
[21:05] <baron1984> I have had it with this board :P
[21:05] <baron1984> it sends the kernel a bogus ACPI table
[21:05] <baron1984> Intrepid deals with it better than Hardy, but it's still pretty bad
[21:17] <baron1984> what kernel release is the 2.6.26-4 kernel in Intrepid using?
[21:31] <phaverkamp> Ibex in a Virtualbox kernel panics after a partial upgrade
[22:23] <tanath> a recent update has screwed up my mouse
[22:24] <tanath> now the scroll wheel acts as back and forward, as opposed to scrolling
[22:25] <tanath> except in certain apps, when it's directly over the scroll bar
[22:26] <lieter> hello :)
[22:28] <Compiler|mobile> hi lieter
[22:28] <lieter> I have a strange issue with II and want to know if you have experienced the same: On my laptop i've installed II next to HH, Grub from II is on the II partition itself and is chainloaded by the HH grub from the MBR
[22:28] <lieter> but now the strange part:
[22:28] <lieter> when i boot my HH there is no splash screen XD
[22:29] <lieter> and after the second boot to II there is also no splash there
[22:29] <lieter> there is no 15 second timeout
[22:29] <lieter> and the vga line is ok
[22:30] <lieter> I can see the FB initialize but then falling back to a quiet boot
[22:32] <tanath> i have no splash at boot either
[22:33] <tanath> i also get a corrupt display when switching to a virtual terminal
[22:33] <lieter> tanath, but i HAD it in Hardy Heron until i installed Intrepid
[22:33] <tanath> same
[22:33] <lieter> which makes no sense at all
[22:33] <lieter> since its on a different partitions
[22:33] <lieter> unless the drivers alters some GPU settings on the GPU flash
[22:34] <tanath> could be grub
[22:34] <tanath> could have altered kernel params
[22:34] <lieter> but grub or the menu hasnt changed
[22:34] <lieter> i chainload to the II grub from the normal grub
[22:35] <tanath> did you check the kernel params? gotta press e
[22:35] <lieter> yes i have, vga=792 ro quiet splash
[22:36] <tanath> so maybe it doesn't like vga=792 anymore
[22:37] <lieter> well, i can see FB starting(some corrupt lines on the top of the screens, happens normally also) but then it disappears and i get *reading files needed to boot  [OK] and all that
[22:38] <tanath> i don't get that
[22:38] <tanath> i had no video output at all when i first upgraded to 8.10
[22:38] <tanath> now i get output, but a blank screen
[22:38] <lieter> i did a clean install
[22:38] <lieter> no upgrade..
[22:38] <tanath> i upgraded
[22:38] <tanath> and now i can't switch to a vt either
[22:38] <tanath> get corrupt display
[22:39] <lieter> VT's work fine for me with the nvidia proprietary driver
[22:39] <tanath> just tried now to fix my mouse issue before logging in... that didn't work :-/
[22:39] <lieter> what mouse issue?
[22:39] <tanath> not using proprietary
[22:39] <tanath> recent update made it so my scroll wheel acts as back & forward in some apps
[22:39] <tanath> and can't scroll in others unless my mouse is right over the scroll bar
[22:40] <lieter> what mouse?
[22:40] <tanath> logitech mx500
[22:41] <tanath> upgrading to 8.10 at first made it work better, but the recent update botched it
[22:41] <lieter> ah
[22:50] <arsenal_> aloooo
[22:51] <lieter> hello
[22:51] <arsenal_> how are u
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