[00:00] lol [00:00] thanks anyway! [00:14] bye [00:31] what is the passring keyring or something that trys to manage passwords [01:01] hi [01:02] if i updated my kernel to -21, then logged into it and ran the system updates, and there wa an error during the updates, could that be the cause of inability to boot into the new kernel now? [01:09] is it possible to install the -21 kernel again, and overwrite the existing one? [01:38] heya, anyone around to discuss a soundcard related issue in Xubuntu hardy? [01:39] !anyone [01:39] A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? [01:39] !tell Raz0R about errors [01:39] Raz0R, please see my private message [01:40] thing is: I'm not on the computer that has issues right now, I was simply checking if it was worth it to start the xubuntu box :) [01:41] the error was that my internet connection went down during the process, however, i am no longer able to access the -21 kernel as it hangs at the stage "setting system clock" [01:53] that is no hang [01:54] just wait a bit [01:54] and the clock is not set by the kernel either but hwclock, a userspace program [02:16] ok now on the bothersome xubuntu box [02:18] here's the deal, I have a sound blaster AWE 32 PnP (ISA) on it, if the appropriate sound module is loaded (snd_sbawe) the computer eventually freezes when running pretty much any app with sound in it [02:20] that started with hardy, while gutsy and feisty were ok [02:22] that's my dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/29822/ [03:40] looking for a soundcard and/or bus conflict specialist [04:16] i thought by updating my xubuntu to 8.04 would solve some of the probs i'm having... not sure how they started as i just got back from a month in costa rica. anyways, i can' [04:18] i can't get my gnome panels to come up or stay up on startup... i have to start xterm and type in gnome-panel .. but if i close the xterm, the panels disappear as well .... arrrrggggghhhhhhh.... [04:35] Does anyone know where I can find information on battery capacity? [04:38] does anyone know of a motion detecting program i can use with my webcam,i am using motion v4l and it doesnt give an app window so i cant turn on and of it just stays runnin [04:44] you could kill the process to make it stop if you wished [04:45] if you can find the process, "locate " should tell you where it is, so you can restart it [04:46] yes i can stop it in terminal im tryin to simplify and get one with a control window so i can turn on and off in a hurry right from desktop [04:55] coldhak i run locate motion in terminal and it gives me a whole list of dif apps but doesnt seem to show motion v4l [04:58] well...i've never used it. one of those is probably it, but i'm not sure what to tell you from here [04:59] k no prob iv found its location now but its a config file and it isnt an option to make easy start stops.i will see if i can find an app to work with motion [04:59] TY [04:59] alright [05:26] ermm "PnPBIOS: 13 nodes reported by PnP BIOS; 13 recorded by driver" what are those nodes? [05:30] rebooting [06:12] do you need any special program to extract the gzip archives from the mailing list? [06:34] IS anybody around? [06:42] am i the only one having issues with the kernel update? [06:51] evilbug: wait 10 minutes, I'll join you ;) [06:54] :) [06:54] k. [06:59] evilbug: seems to work fine [06:59] evilbug: what are your "issues" exactly? [06:59] aargh, the IPI rescheduling interrupts bug is back XD [07:00] do they really hove to put it into every second kernel? [07:01] my load bar just hangs at ~97% and the system won't load. [07:01] so i'm just stuck there. [07:01] it worked the first time around though, after the reboot. [07:01] evilbug: disable the 'quiet' option in boot options [07:01] and the only thing i did after was reconfigure my madwifi. [07:03] * TheSheep goes back to the old kernel [07:03] i'm going to go test this out. brb. [07:08] hi [07:09] i can't access the release folder of any cdimage source for xubuntu [07:09] i can access http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/8.04.1/ and any subfolder, but not the release-folder linked there [07:09] does it try to load some file which times out? [07:25] Could need some advice here.. I work at a school, where we have been using a mixed enviroment with linux thinclients and winxp/AD.. i now wish to integrate those 2.. make linux clients to authenticate agains AD, and give each user a shared folder on their desktop, as we have in xp.. where they store all there private/work files on a fileserver [07:25] TheSheep- can i uninstall apps using the live cd? [07:29] How can i best do this? [07:46] hi, i managed to get the -21 kernel to work by removing some files from /etc/rcS.d/ [07:47] this means it no longer tries to set the system clock at start up [07:47] --just in case anyone else has the problem [07:50] just in case anyone else has it: it's the wrong approach. hwclock --directisa or such is vastly better [07:51] ok, how would i do this then? [07:52] this is the only way i could get the system to boot [07:52] TheSheep- i managed to boot into the previous kernel. [07:52] wols_ where would i input this hwclock --directisa?? [07:55] wols_ would the changes be permanent if i did sudo hwclock --isa in a terminal?? [07:56] directisa** [07:56] Raz0R: no. you need to edit the script which is called on bootup [07:56] wols_ ok i see, do you know where that can be found?? [07:57] at the place you deleted files [07:58] thankyou [07:58] i didnt delete them, i just moved them [07:58] do you think i should move them back?? [08:02] which ones did you move? [08:05] wols_ i dont think adding --directisa would work for me as i am using a modern motherboard [08:05] well, semi modern :P [08:05] that's the point [08:05] those mobos need just this parameter usually [08:06] oh, someone in \linux on undernet says it only works with older boards [08:06] like i copied this guy as his problem seemed similar: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xen-meta/+bug/163605 [08:06] Launchpad bug 163605 in xen-meta "Boot process don't pass "Setting the system clock" step" [Undecided,New] [08:09] Raz0R: they have no clie [08:09] I need it and I have a p35 mobo [08:19] I asked you something [08:19] wols_ ok [08:34] i can't get my gnome panels to come up or stay up on startup... i have to start xterm and type in gnome-panel .. but if i close the xterm, the panels disappear as well .... arrrrggggghhhhhhh.... [08:37] i can't get my gnome panels to come up or stay up on startup... i have to start xterm and type in gnome-panel .. but if i close the xterm, the panels disappear as well .... arrrrggggghhhhhhh.... [09:25] i can't get my gnome panels to come up or stay up on startup... i have to start xterm and type in gnome-panel .. but if i close the xterm, the panels disappear as well .... arrrrggggghhhhhhh.... [09:25] i can't get my gnome panels to come up or stay up on startup... i have to start xterm and type in gnome-panel .. but if i close the xterm, the panels disappear as well .... arrrrggggghhhhhhh.... [09:25] oooops [09:33] hi [09:33] hi [09:33] haven't been so much people on xubuntu lately [09:34] hope xubuntu isn't dying [09:34] lucky sods don't have problems I guess [09:34] PsynoKhi0: do you know about the xfe window manager? [09:34] i've got an issue with my mouse cursor [09:35] xfe? err i think so so [09:35] i've changed its appearance and size but i can only see it in effect over certain windows [09:35] try for yourself and you'll see what i mean [09:36] oh, had the same problem in Enlightenment, the theme's cursors wouldn't work is e.g. Pidgin windows [09:36] correct? [09:37] maybe i should use the standard cursor [09:37] the cursor reverts to the standard white arrow [09:37] but i'd like to make it bigger [09:37] it's the standard one over this irc client for example [09:37] but over firefox it gets fancy the way it should [09:38] sorry can't help you, that bugged me soI just went for the standard flavour heh [09:39] lucky this behaviour is limited to xubuntu and xfe [09:40] well it's still annoying not to have a homogenous desktop, isn't it? [09:58] PsynoKhi0: certainly [09:59] doesn't beat a computer that lockups when you have your sound card module loaded in hardy when gutsy was a breeze though :) [10:07] i can't get my gnome panels to come up or stay up on startup... i have to start xterm and type in gnome-panel .. but if i close the xterm, the panels disappear as well .... arrrrggggghhhhhhh.... [10:14] if you add gnome-panel to .xsession in your home folder, does it help? [10:17] PsynoKhi0: can u clarify and elaborate for me please [10:18] ok what desktop envireonment are you using? [10:19] environment* [10:20] gnome [10:21] ok so you can't save your sessions, right? [10:23] I mean, when you log you, do you have the option to save your session? [10:23] when you log out* [10:24] i don't know ezackly what you mean by that, but if i restart my system i get a desktop without gnome panels, and i have to invoke them with terminal. if i close the terminal, the panels go too... [10:24] yes and that's not what I was asking :) when you hit the "Exit3 button, do you have a checkbox asking if you want to save your settings? [10:25] "Exit" button* [10:25] i just looked, and there is a checked box on the logout panel that says 'save sessions for future logins' [10:26] ok great, now open your Home folder and make sure you can see hidden files (ctrl + h) [10:28] then go to .cache (with a dot in front, it's a hidden folder usually) [10:28] and then to sessions [10:28] nothing happens when i do 'control h' [10:29] how do i get there [10:29] are you in the file manager [10:32] errr "yes" "no" or "what's the file manager" /P [10:32] :P [10:33] looking for it; you mean the 'filesystem', right [10:33] no, I mean Thunar if you use XUbuntu's standard file manager [10:34] hi [10:34] i.e; what should launch if you double click on your Home icon on the desktop [10:34] darkus hi [10:34] ok, i launched thunar [10:35] ok now press ctrl + h [10:35] ok, done [10:35] did a folder named .cache appear? [10:36] a bunch of folders appeared, .cache is third one to the right [10:36] ok get in there [10:37] then there should be another folder in it called Sessions, go there next [10:37] ok, then sessions, thunar, and xfce appear [10:37] yeah sessions [10:37] ok, done [10:37] ok delete all files in there [10:38] then close Thunar [10:38] ok, you sure? :) [10:38] yes [10:38] k, done [10:39] ok now log out, and make sure you DO NOT save the session this time [10:40] i.e; leave the "Save session blablabla" checkbox empty before hitting the log out button [10:40] ok, b back in a while i spose ... thx [10:45] solved? [10:46] PsynoKhi0: nope, still no gnome panel... have to call it up with xterm .... [10:47] ok solution 2: open your Home folder again [10:47] other things have happened with this box as well... for one thing, errr, ok, opeining [10:47] ok, open [10:47] look for a file called .xsession, if not there, create it (with dot in front, it should be hidden by default) [10:48] what other things? [10:50] like the whole viewable area of my screen is set to the left, so that there is a black area about an inche and a half wide up and down the right side... not a huge prob, but goofy looking [10:50] ok, the last file is called .xsessions-errors , is that the one? [10:50] no [10:51] k, then i guess there is not one; how to i create it? [10:51] create it then,right click on a blank space in your thunar window, new empty file [10:52] or from the menu at the top, File, New file yada yada [10:52] no, i mean HOW do i create it; i don't know [10:52] k, i go try [10:53] btw why are you trying to start gnome-panel in xubuntu? xfce ones aren't good enough? hehe [10:53] am i creating a new folder? nothing says to create a new 'file' there, only 'folder' [10:53] no, not folder, Empty document maybe? [10:54] i don't know, i don't have a preference, should i be using a different panel? [10:55] xfce4-panel is the standard... is that a fresh installation? [10:55] whats the xfce panel, and why doesn't it come up if its sposed to? [10:55] you tell me, I didn't install xubuntu on your comp so I wouldn't know heh [10:56] no, upgraded last nite. i wasn't going to upgrade yet, but i was hoping it would bring my computer back to me. it din't. [10:57] if the standard is xfce i suppose i should use it, huh [10:57] upgrades are always tricky... I only succedded once in like 5 attempts [10:58] ya, i know fresh install is always better [10:58] anyway, do you have your gnome-panel up and running right now? [10:58] ya, its up right now, until i close the xterm and it disappears [10:59] yes, well do just that and launch a new terminal :) [10:59] ummmm, can't remember if that makes me lose chatzilla ... will see i guess [11:00] what the.... [11:02] guess I'll have to give the instructions first :) [11:02] uh, yup; everything went, had to launch firefox throught the filesystem.... where were we? [11:02] open a terminal and type: [11:02] xfce4-panel& [11:03] is that complete instruction? [11:03] with the & at the end, that's not a typo (surprisingly enough given I typed that) [11:03] xterm terminal is ok for this? [11:04] yes, that will launch xfce4-panel and remove the programs dependency uppon the termail [11:04] yes [11:06] program's dependency upon the terminal* (convinced myself to correct that mess for the sake of the logs...) [11:07] good idea [11:08] nubuntu: if that works, close everything log out with Save session ticked this time [11:08] AFK yummy [11:09] i had a very simliar problem [11:10] my top panel was screwed [11:10] all icons to the left, next to "Xfce menu" [11:10] had to rename it, and edit the panels a bit [11:10] then xfce wouldn't show a title bar on windows, and i had to use compiz to get title bars [11:11] ummmm, it said xfce panel was already running, so i took another look at the funny looking square in the top left of my screen and determined that it was an unconfigured panel... now i have a top and bottom panel, but nothing in them; how do i make them into standard configuration? [11:11] so one day i logged in, found a way to fix it by running xfwm4 in terminal, and then saving session [11:11] right click, customize [11:13] i'll help u the best i can since PsynoKhi0 decided to eat [11:13] i don't know why these humans are always thinking about eating. on zarnon, we have more important things to do... [11:14] i agree [11:14] carry on, earthling [11:14] i'll get a screen shot of my top panel config [11:14] thanks [11:14] hmmm looks like your .config folder took a hit then :) [11:15] * nubuntu wonders what could have drawn the earthling away from his bowl of worms [11:16] i guess, don't know anything about it [11:16] well i fail at taking screen shots [11:16] my top panel is set at fixed position [11:16] I have eeXubuntu on an Asus Eee PC, neither Cheese nor Skype find a webcam. Is a solution fairly easy? (Is this an FAQ?) [11:16] the top left most button [11:17] on where it should be [11:17] and stet to "full width" [11:17] nubuntu, from your terminal type: [11:17] mine too, and full width [11:17] odd [11:17] cd .config/xfce4/panel [11:18] then type [11:19] mv panels.xml panels.xm_ [11:19] killall xfce4-panel [11:19] xfce4-panel& [11:19] in that order [11:20] ok, done [11:20] well? [11:22] grahamperrin, http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=12078 maybe [11:23] PsynoKhi0: thanks I just brought up that thread, I'll pay close attention [11:23] more elaborately, my top panel config is set to... Appearance... Size: 24 pixels Transparency: 15% Position: Fixed Position... and the one in the top left corner of those 12 buttons is selected, and Full Width [11:23] np [11:23] you may want to try editing a different panel too [11:23] at the top of the panel manager, you can select which you want to edit [11:24] my panels even disappeared once [11:24] just a quick fool around with some settings, it worked [11:24] ummmm, closer to normal now, but everything seems all bunched to the left on the top panel... the bottom panel looks normal now [11:24] happened a few times to me, cleaning up .cache did the trick [11:25] oops that was meant to bassboi [11:26] lemme try and remember how i got that fixed... [11:26] nubuntu then some more terminal joy: [11:26] oh [11:26] i think think i messed with the spacing [11:27] like can i get my clock and my exit button back over to the right? [11:27] nubuntu, are you still in the panel folder in yur terminal? [11:27] yep [11:28] i haven't touched the term since the last three lines you gave me to input [11:28] nubuntu ok: rm *.* [11:28] :x [11:28] killall xfce4-panel [11:28] huh??? [11:28] xfce4-panel& [11:29] we're cleaning up the config files for your panels to get Xubuntu to regenerate the default ones [11:29] rm *.* should be done in that panel folder [11:29] that's why I asked you [11:30] i not sure i unnerstand [11:30] ok let's do it from the beginning [11:30] to be sure [11:30] type: [11:30] cd [11:30] rm *.* <--- type that? [11:31] that should send you back to user@computer:~/ [11:31] NO, just cd [11:31] k, now i have command prompt [11:32] ok now: [11:32] cd .config/xfce4/panel/ [11:33] k, done [11:33] rm *.* [11:34] k, done [11:34] killall xfce4-panel [11:35] k, done [11:35] xfce4-panel& [11:35] * PsynoKhi0 runs [11:36] uh dang, maybe should have checked the files really get busted first... oh well [11:37] given the silence, I doubt this worked :P [11:38] oh, wow ... standard config present .... now do i want to 'save sessions' on logouts? [11:38] SCORE! [11:39] nubuntu, yes you prolly want that :) [11:40] ok ... hmmm, just a question ... on the top panel before, where it now says applications, was a little bit different looking icon that said xfce menu next to it, where did that come from, if you know? [11:41] not important, tho; thanks for all your help [11:42] uh, ooops .... just closed the terminal, and the panels DISAPPEARED [11:42] aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [11:45] alt-f2 "xfce4-panel" [11:45] np, log out without svaing the session [11:45] with or without? [11:46] if you want to get the panel back, without saving for now [11:46] i don't have a logout/exit button of course, so first i need to xterm the panel back right? [11:47] k, i have panels back [11:47] now what? [11:48] if i logout, i lose you, so just want to be sure i know where i'm going here [11:49] exit without saving [11:49] is this just a 'logout', or a shutdown, or a restart? [11:49] logout is enough [11:50] k, and then .. ? [11:50] then back in [11:50] k [11:51] * PsynoKhi0 feels the urge to get his hands on white portions [11:53] k, panels persisted to login this time [11:54] great, now you want to save your session [11:54] thanks for all your help again [11:54] will deal with screan probs another day i guess [11:54] np [11:55] ok, you mean on the next shutdown? [11:55] is it necessary? [11:56] not necessary but handy [11:56] Hey guys, at our school we have previously used "skolelinux" for our thinclient servers.: 3 ltsp servers and 1 ldap server with users /home folders. now i wish to replace the thinclient servers with a new distro, Xubuntu. but how do make it xubuntu authenticate and mount the /home folders from our ldap server? [11:57] what config files do i need to copy from our skolelinux install? [11:58] a bit too advanced for me... /etc/fstab would be one though I guess [11:59] ok.. [11:59] how about authenticating? [11:59] then user info... not sure sorry [12:00] the config file for iptables if any... [12:00] ok I won't start with wild guesses :) [12:00] brb [12:06] how would i remove compiz and emerald [12:07] and go back to xfce without logging out [12:08] Hello there... [12:09] hi hi [12:09] I have trouble setting up X11 the way I'd like it to behave and I need a little help with that. [12:10] ok, kiddoes ... bedtime for bonzo ... nite [12:10] i guess u can say i just started sippin my 2nd cup [12:10] Sometimes I even wonder if /etc/X11/xorg.conf is the actual location of the configuration file, because some of the changes I've made seem to be ignored. [12:11] I need a virtual desktop. As in, a viewport. I've put in the line "Virtual 1600 1200" in Subsection Display, but I still get the normal layout. [12:12] Hope somebody can help me. [12:12] did you restart X? [12:13] sippin my 2nd cup of ubuntu, that is [12:13] Yeah, multiple times. In the log X11 writes it even says that it is doing what I want it to. [12:13] (II) RADEON(0): Max desktop size set to 1600x1200 [12:13] (II) RADEON(0): For a larger or smaller max desktop size, add a Virtual line to your xorg.conf [12:14] whats the res of your monitor [12:15] ... Max? [12:16] 1280x1024 is the absolute maximum the monitor can handle. [12:17] However, it's set to a somewhat lower res right now. One that the monitor can display in 75Hz mode. [12:18] It seems that for some reason, xubuntu is ignoring the "Virtual" line entirely. I just found http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=343462 and it looks like nothing has changed since that posting was made. [12:19] hm, i'm not 100% on this subject quite yet [12:20] It's quite simple. Think of a pan & scan movie, except that you direct the camera with the mouse, and the box you set with the Virtual line is the actual desktop. You only see a portion of that on the monitor. [12:20] I have been using that since ... gosh, I've even used that back on Windows 3.11 and way way older Linux desktops, in the past decade. [12:21] HEllo, is there anyone here familiar with vnc4server? I got it installed all right and I can connect (from an other computer) to it but when I connect I get the weird screen "grey" screen with a cross... [12:21] I just plain need it. There is just no way I can go without Virtual desktops. [12:21] Also, when I start vncserver with sudo I get that screen but without the sudo I get a connection refused error :/ [12:21] zizou03: Sorry, I have no clue about those myself. Maybe someone else here can help you. [12:22] That's what I hoped.. I think it has something to do with permission but I'm not sure.. [12:22] I also have no idea what the correct permissions would be anyway. [12:22] Chances are you need to be in a certain group/ [12:23] I'll have to figure out what group, lol. [12:23] There is a group for remote desktop stuff specifically, methinks. [12:23] Perhaps that would be the one. [12:23] any idae what it'd be called? [12:23] I'll try to find it. [12:24] Thanks. [12:26] Perhaps you can find out what group you need when you 'ls -l binary-of-vncserver' ... [12:27] Chances are the wrapper or the binary are set to that group. [12:27] Cannot find it in the user management tool, sorry. [12:28] it's ok, I'll just keep googling. [12:34] zizou03: You don't happen to know your way around Virtual desktops in Xubuntu, perhaps? [12:34] sort of [12:34] not with linux I'm afraid :( [12:34] I run XP on my mac.. through paralles [12:34] Bummer. =( [12:34] and, well, it just works :p [12:34] but I can try [12:35] using VMware I assume? [12:35] I've setup xorg though xorg.conf properly - to have a functioning Virtual desktop. I tested it and know it works elsewhere using the exact same xorg.conf. Just not in Xubuntu right now. [12:35] No, I'm not on an virtual machine. [12:36] In that case, I have no idea I'm afraid :( [12:36] I've been using xubuntu since yesterday for the record, same goes for linux :p [12:36] With Virtual desktop I mean a virtual resolution that is much bigger than the resolution the monitor is showing. You only see part of the desktop and you move that viewport with the mouse. [12:37] Okay. Thanks anyway. [12:37] can't you set a bootflag forcing it to go in a certain res? [12:37] I don't know how that works for xubuntu, grub or whatever [12:37] It's already setup to start with the maximum res the screen can handle at 75Hz. I just need me a bigger desktop. [12:38] Ok.. [12:38] Sorry :( [12:38] You see, I'm not a big fan of taskbars. I'd rather move the mouse an inch. [12:46] I foolishly deleted the contents of /var/cache, but now apt-get is refusing to run because of missing directories and files etc. Is there a way of telling apt-get to re-init? [12:54] . [13:02] Twinkletoes|W: try sudo apt-get install --reinstall apt [13:02] hopefully it will re-generate them [13:03] btw just fyi sudo apt-get autoclean will clean up cache [13:09] gnomefreak: Thanks, I'll try that. As for the cache, it was /var/cache in general I Was thinking about, and my actions were as a result of reading this: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/2.2/fhs-5.5.html [13:09] gnomefreak: That seems to be a dangerous page [13:10] Twinkletoes|W: thats why we have wiki.ubuntu.com [13:10] * Twinkletoes|W lives and learns... [13:11] gnomefreak: I got the "unable to initialize HAL" error after deleintg /var/cache/* too... that's my next port of call to fix [13:11] hi [13:11] i don't have sound [13:11] Twinkletoes|W: that might be a bit harder to fix [13:11] like yesterday [13:11] gnomefreak: I'll reinstall [13:11] Twinkletoes|W: not htat hard [13:12] but do what you need to ;) reboot might help but im working atm [13:12] gnomefreak: What I *should* of done was create a snapshot first! (yes - I'm using VMware and didn't even create a snapshot - I deserve what I get) [13:12] can you help meh? [13:13] Twinkletoes|W: always back up (first rule in windows mac linuz bsd ect... [13:13]