[00:20] <vorian> even with kdelibs installed from svn, still get this error on kdebase-workspace
[00:20] <vorian> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgeneral
[00:25] <apachelogger> vorian: kdepimlibs and phonon are build-deps as well, aren't they?
[00:27] <apachelogger> vorian: http://www.nabble.com/Re:-Build-error-linking--lgeneral-p15134323.html
[00:31]  * apachelogger pokes Xand3r_laptop
[00:32] <Jucato> kdepimlibs shouldn't be a dep of kdebase* anymore I think
[00:32] <Xand3r> apachelogger: ?
[00:32]  * apachelogger shrugg0rs
[00:32] <apachelogger> Xand3r: shouldn't you be in bed or something?
[00:33] <Xand3r> apachelogger: -.-
[00:33]  * apachelogger dances to moby's last night
[00:34] <Xand3r> apachelogger: have you an idea how i can share files vie the network?
[00:34] <Xand3r> somthing like nfs
[00:34] <Xand3r> with a gui
[00:34] <Xand3r> but working
[00:34] <apachelogger> nfs
[00:35] <apachelogger> smb
[00:35] <apachelogger> ssh
[00:35] <apachelogger> irc
[00:35] <apachelogger> trt
[00:35] <apachelogger> usb
[00:35] <apachelogger> eth
[00:35] <apachelogger> wfi
[00:35] <apachelogger> stuff like that
[00:35] <apachelogger> W: klinkstatus-kde4: unusual-interpreter ./usr/share/kde4/apps/klinkstatus/scripts/statistics.rb #!kross
[00:36] <apachelogger> ok
[00:36] <apachelogger> now
[00:36] <Jucato> I was almost expecting to find "wtf" at the end of that list :)
[00:36] <apachelogger> seriously
[00:36] <apachelogger> someone burn lintian
[00:36] <apachelogger> that thing is a witch
[00:36] <apachelogger> always manges to make me grumpy with stupid warnings
[00:38]  * Xand3r is listening to Burn The Witch by Queens of the Stone Age on Lullabies To Paralyze [Amarok]
[00:38] <Xand3r> ^^
[01:15] <vorian> kdepim is taking forever to build!
[01:15] <apachelogger> tell me about it ;-)
[01:15] <apachelogger> but
[01:15] <apachelogger> worst package is kdebindings
[01:15] <apachelogger> 4.4 MiB
[01:15] <vorian> yeah, i'm glad you did that first
[01:15] <apachelogger> but takes ~1 hour to build
[01:15] <apachelogger> that is pure magic to me
[01:16] <vorian> haha
[01:16] <vorian> so, with the distro cmake error on kdebase-workspace...
[01:16] <vorian> what is the fix?
[01:16] <vorian> as for a -us -uc build
[01:17] <apachelogger> hm
[01:17] <apachelogger> vorian: throw over the debian directory
[01:17] <apachelogger> I will digg into it
[01:20] <vorian> kk
[01:20] <apachelogger> hum
[01:20] <apachelogger> hell
[01:20] <apachelogger> dpkg: error processing kdelibs5-data_4.1.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb (--install):
[01:20] <apachelogger>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man1/makekdewidgets.1.gz', which is also in package kdelibs5-dev
[01:22]  * apachelogger sings - there we build again
[01:23] <vorian> you have mail
[01:24] <apachelogger> <3 mail
[01:29] <apachelogger> vorian: could take some time, bindings is eating all performance :S
[01:29] <vorian> noooo
[01:29] <apachelogger> vorian: go start backporting :P
[01:30] <vorian> let me finish pim first
[01:30] <apachelogger> ok
[01:37] <vorian> ug
[01:37] <vorian> for
[01:37] <vorian> e
[01:37] <vorian> ver
[01:49] <apachelogger> vorian: at what percentage did the build error occur?
[01:49] <vorian> 9%
[01:49] <apachelogger> [ 30%] Generating kscreensaveradaptor.cpp, kscreensaveradaptor.h
[01:49] <vorian> YIPPEEE!
[01:49] <vorian> my system is borked!
[01:50] <apachelogger> ^_^
[01:50] <apachelogger> maybe mine is b0rked ;-)
[01:50] <vorian> haha
[01:50] <apachelogger> well, we will see what the buildds think
[01:50] <vorian> right
[01:54] <apachelogger> hm
[01:54] <apachelogger> funky build error with bindings though :D
[01:54] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/30150/
[01:55] <apachelogger> oh, newish files
[01:58] <vorian> 90%
[02:06] <apachelogger> vorian: build-dependency bump of kdebase was incomplete
[02:06] <apachelogger>  kdepimlibs5-dev (>= 4:4.1.0), libphonon-dev (>= 4:4.0.80), libplasma-dev (>= 4:4.0.98),
[02:07] <vorian> i seeeeee
[02:09] <vorian> pim failed again
[02:09] <vorian> bleh
[02:19] <vorian> apachelogger: would it make sense that korn.install would be empty?
[02:19] <apachelogger> vorian: was it before?
[02:19] <vorian> there were 10 or so lines
[02:20] <apachelogger> vorian: did korn got removed?
[02:20]  * apachelogger should go to bed
[02:20] <vorian> no
[02:20] <vorian> it did not get removed
[02:20] <apachelogger> staying up that late can't be good
[02:20] <vorian> lol
[02:20] <apachelogger> vorian: so why should it be empty now?
[02:21] <vorian> well, it had no files to install
[02:21] <vorian> remaining
[02:21] <apachelogger> Oo
[02:21] <apachelogger> I don't get it
[02:21] <apachelogger> vorian: it doesn't install any files anymore?
[02:22] <vorian> i ran the dh_install --sorcedir bla bla
[02:22] <vorian> I kept removing missing files
[02:23] <vorian> then, on the list of files in debian/tmp, there were no files
[02:23] <vorian> confused yet :P
[02:23] <apachelogger> +1
[02:23] <apachelogger> why would they not remove it but deactivate any installation?
[02:24] <vorian> i dunno
[02:25] <apachelogger> http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=835437
[02:25] <vorian> f-that
[02:25] <apachelogger> my system is exploding
[02:26] <apachelogger> vorian: comment out the portions in debian/control and ask master riddell to remove the binary package from the archives
[02:26] <vorian> roger that
[02:26] <vorian> apachelogger: remove the related debian korn.* files as well?
[02:26] <apachelogger> nope
[02:27] <apachelogger> they will not get used anyway without the control entry
[02:27] <vorian> ah, gotche
[02:30] <apachelogger> 3:30am
[02:30]  * apachelogger begins wonder what exactly the point of going to bed is
[02:30] <apachelogger> oh right, not loosing communication capabilities
[02:30] <apachelogger> is that actually a word
[02:30] <ScottK-laptop> Like that's a good thing.
[02:49] <apachelogger> d'oh
[02:49]  * apachelogger has networkmanager 7 installed
[02:49] <apachelogger> -.-
[03:11] <vorian> I hate pim atm
[04:11]  * skreechmiester loves vorian for hating pim
[04:11] <vorian> <3
[04:14] <Jucato> if you hate kopete, he will love you even more :)
[04:15]  * ScottK-laptop has no trouble with that one.
[04:15] <vorian> +1
[04:17]  * skreechmiester h8 
[04:20] <skreechmiester> Jucato: Saw the new plasmoid concept ?;)
[10:16]  * smarter waves
[10:20] <Riddell> morning
[10:20] <Riddell> vorian: thanks for doing alpha 3 testing, much appreciated
[10:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: so, how do I join the 4.1 fun?
[10:30] <Riddell> looks like it's all done
[10:31] <smarter> Riddell: nop ;)
[10:32] <smarter> you still have to do l10n :P
[10:57] <Riddell> hmm, that kdebase-workspace build failure is nasty
[11:05] <supert0nes> you guys waiting for the 29th to release?
[11:06] <Riddell> yep
[11:07] <supert0nes> finally all those people using 4.0.5 can get something usable
[11:27] <Jucato> Riddell: "This release uses .kde instead of .kde4 for KDE settings so you will unable to easily downgrade to KDE 3" <--- "you will be unable to"?
[11:29] <Riddell> fixed, thanks
[11:29] <Nightrose> Riddell, ryanakca: the author of the news is "webmaster" in the rss feed - could be changed to something more friendly ;-)
[11:56] <smarter> anyone know how to shutdown KDE4 using dbus?
[11:58] <Riddell> poke ksmserver
[12:03] <smarter> Riddell: thanks, found it
[12:04] <Riddell> think I've got a workaround for kdebase-workspace
[12:05] <Riddell> smarter: edu and games are marked as done but not online, have you sent them to apachelogger?
[12:14] <ryanakca> Nightrose: We can't change that I don't think since it's our login name for Drupal, but I'll dig in to it for you, thanks :)
[12:14] <Nightrose> ryanakca: :) thanks
[12:15] <Riddell> I think you can
[12:15] <Riddell> under authoring information
[12:16] <Riddell> oh, hmm, "The username jriddell does not exist."  guess not
[12:17] <seezer> is it about the latest kubuntu.org news? it links to the ubuntu alpha2 announcement ( https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2008-July/000451.html )
[12:18] <smarter> Riddell: yes
[12:18] <seezer> should probably be https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2008-July/000459.html
[12:18] <smarter> Riddell: well, I told him where he could find them
[12:24] <Riddell> seezer: doh, sorry
[12:24] <nixternal> mornin'
[12:24] <Riddell> seezer: fixed
[12:24] <seezer> Riddell: don't be, just another bugreport :)
[12:29] <devfil> Riddell: uploaded the patch?
[12:30] <Nightrose> morning nixternal :)
[12:32] <Riddell> devfil: it looks like kdelibs5-dev already has no preparetips
[12:32] <devfil> Riddell: but kdelibs4-dev yes
[12:33] <Riddell> ah, hmm
[12:33] <Riddell> devfil: where's your patch again?
[12:33] <devfil> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/30052/
[12:37] <Riddell> devfil: groovy, uploaded
[12:38] <devfil> thanks
[12:40] <JontheEchidna> libs are called kdelibs5 in Hardy, right?
[12:41] <Riddell> Jucato: kde4libs are yes
[12:41] <JontheEchidna> k, cool
[12:59] <JontheEchidna> is kde4libs a beast to build?
[12:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: have a look at the batcave
[12:59] <apachelogger> the mainpage holds a link to the backports
[13:01] <apachelogger> depends on the definition of beast ;-)
[13:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: builds in less than an hour which makes it considerable unbeasty
[13:01] <JontheEchidna> cool
[13:14] <JontheEchidna> That means on my sucky computer it'll take 2.5 hours
[13:14] <JontheEchidna> oh well, at least it's not kdepim
[13:15] <JontheEchidna> Oh hey, that reminds me. I need to fix that typo in plasmoid-am4rok
[13:18] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: does plasmoid-am4rok need to go back through revu since it was just a typo/whitespace fix?
[13:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you shouldn't backport kdelibs yet
[13:23]  * apachelogger didn't upload the revised version
[13:24] <JontheEchidna> what changed did you make?
[13:24] <JontheEchidna> *changes
[13:24] <apachelogger> everything
[13:24] <apachelogger> vorian packaged the wrong verison of KDE ;-)
[13:25] <JontheEchidna> you mean he got his tarballs from trunk??
[13:25] <JontheEchidna> *trunk/?
[13:25] <apachelogger> aye
[13:25]  * JontheEchidna crtl +c's the build
[13:26] <Nightrose> apachelogger: still no screenie in hardy :/
[13:26]  * apachelogger is wondering in which konsole tab it is hiding
[13:27] <apachelogger> Nightrose: we could all pinch the Riddell :P
[13:27] <Nightrose> haha let's do that then :P
[13:27] <vorian> apachelogger: hmm?
[13:27]  * Nightrose pokes Riddell 
[13:27] <apachelogger> vorian: JontheEchidna wanted to backport the libs
[13:28] <vorian> ah, I remember now ....
[13:37] <vorian> alllllrighy
[13:37] <vorian> off to the batcave
[13:38] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: no
[13:39] <apachelogger> holy barracuda
[13:39] <apachelogger> today is another party :S
[13:40] <Riddell> what's the party for?
[13:40] <apachelogger> brithday of someone I don't even know
[13:40] <apachelogger> oh boy, I am the cab driver
[13:40] <vorian> ha
[13:44] <Riddell> apachelogger, vorian: http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kdebase-workspace_4.1.0-0ubuntu1.dsc
[13:45] <Riddell> Nightrose: accepted screenie-qt
[13:45] <Nightrose> \o/
[13:45] <Nightrose> thanks Riddell :)
[13:45]  * vorian looks at workspace
[13:46] <apachelogger> hum
[13:46]  * apachelogger should have reassigned the workspace :P
[13:46] <vorian> apachelogger: you finished it?
[13:46] <apachelogger> yeah ;-)
[13:46] <vorian> i was confused, last night you were speaking jibberish
[13:46] <vorian> :P
[13:46] <apachelogger> I was tired and drunk :P
[13:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: you did workspace?  how did you get it to compile?
[13:47] <vorian> and I was trying to fix a grub issue from the alpha testing
[13:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: it never failed here
[13:47] <vorian> cmake version right?
[13:47] <Riddell> hmm, maybe it only fails with old kdelibs
[13:47] <apachelogger> yes
[13:48] <apachelogger> according to kde-core-devel this issue appears when the cmake versions differ
[13:48] <apachelogger> so compiling the new kdelibs should prevent the issue from appearing
[13:50] <apachelogger> revised kdelibs online
[13:50] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ^
[13:50] <JontheEchidna> kk
[13:50] <apachelogger> revised pimlibs online
[13:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: should I use your version of workspace?
[13:51]  * apachelogger debdiffs 
[13:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: you forgot to add new files to the .installs ;-)
[13:59]  * apachelogger pbuilds the workspace stack to see whether the issue occurs
[14:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: which files?  I added the new plasma headers
[14:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: the oxygen cursors and kdm theme I don't especially want to add
[14:15] <Riddell> kdebase is getting too much artwork, kdeartwork is being forgotten about
[14:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: the plasma headers don't exist in the version you uploaded
[14:16] <apachelogger> according to debdiff
[14:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm, so it doesn't
[14:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: well go with yours then
[14:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'll do kde-l10n
[14:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: I revised the script
[14:20] <apachelogger> sec
[14:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/scripts/updatel10n.rb
[14:21] <apachelogger> exchanges kdelibs5 (>= 4.0.0) with (>= 4.1.0)
[14:21] <Riddell> gosh, you've thought of everything
[14:22] <apachelogger> not everything ... I forgot to mention that some debian/rules include version defintions :)
[14:23] <Riddell> version definitions?
[14:23] <apachelogger> for shlibs
[14:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: DEB_DH_MAKESHLIBS_ARGS_libkwineffects1 := -V'libkwineffects1 (>= 4:4.0.82)'
[14:23] <apachelogger> in workspace for example
[14:24] <Riddell> oh right, was thinking of l10n
[14:24] <apachelogger> :)
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> kdelibs are at 5% \o/
[14:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: 9% :P
[14:35] <Jucato> ooooh race!!!
[14:35]  * Jucato gets popcorn
[14:35] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: lol, you're right
[14:35] <JontheEchidna> I am at 9% now
[14:35]  * apachelogger started when JontheEchidna had 5 :P
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> ...
[14:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: 21%
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> 12%
[14:42]  * apachelogger starts another compile job :P
[14:43]  * davmor2 tries the latest live cd hesitantly 
[14:45] <vorian> apachelogger: what are you building?
[14:45] <apachelogger> vorian: libs and bindings
[14:45] <vorian> rock
[14:45] <vorian> ill get base
[14:45] <vorian> all your base belongs to us
[14:46] <vorian> eek
[14:47] <Riddell> davmor2: latest live CD?  havn't we just done a release?
[14:47] <davmor2> Riddell: yes but I don't think that 20080725 was covered very well so I'm checking it out for bugs :)
[14:48] <vorian> that hurts my feelings :'(
[14:49] <davmor2> now sees why it failed
[14:50] <apachelogger>  /me hands vorian a cookie
[14:50] <vorian> thanks /me
[14:50] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: 55%
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> 17%
[14:52] <apachelogger> I think I am winning the new pc :P
[14:54] <davmor2> vorian: sorry didn't realise it had failed just saw 1 test on each :) you did good :) honest
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> 20%
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> you should hear my fans right about now
[14:54] <vorian> davmor2: it took a while to recover from that failure :)
[14:55] <davmor2> nothing new to me they had been failing all day :(
[14:55] <davmor2> for the last 3 days
[14:56] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna:  pfft, you might have the better fans, but I got the better compilers
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> worse fans, these sound like jet engines
[14:57] <apachelogger> lol
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> and they drive the dog crazy in the middle of the night so I can't compile junk overnight
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> my dad usually shuts down my computer if it's making too much noise anyway
[14:58]  * apachelogger thinks JontheEchidna should get himself better fans ;-)
[14:58] <apachelogger> talking about fans... we need some fans for the race I guess
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> it's the power supply fans that are making all the noise
[14:58]  * apachelogger pokes Nightrose
[14:58] <Nightrose> haha
[14:59] <Nightrose> i knew you would poke me now
[14:59] <apachelogger> lol
[14:59] <Nightrose> i need to go shopping now thouhg
[14:59] <Nightrose> go go go guys
[14:59] <apachelogger> damn
[14:59] <davmor2> vorian: mine just worked fine :P
[14:59] <vorian> davmor2: your ... ?
[14:59] <davmor2> vorian: were you using kvm?
[15:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: we probably should do a meeting again
[15:00] <vorian> no, just a fresh basic install in a 40gig partition
[15:00] <davmor2> vorian: Installation of Kubuntu amd64bit
[15:01] <vorian> yeah
[15:01] <vorian> cool!
[15:01] <vorian> my issue was a grub bug
[15:01] <vorian> but by desktop setup is atypical
[15:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: we should.  next wednesday?
[15:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: sounds good to me
[15:02] <davmor2> vorian: it's fine looks good and is functioning properly-ish
[15:02] <vorian> that's the imporant thing :)
[15:03] <Riddell> seele, nixternal, yuriy? wedneday at 22:00UTC?
[15:03] <vorian> yay! a meeting I can make :)
[15:03] <Riddell> Nightrose?
[15:04] <jjesse> i can make it as well
[15:04] <Nightrose> fine with me
[15:04] <seele> yeah, that´s good for me
[15:04] <Riddell> nixternal: please add to fridge
[15:04] <Jucato> 6am.. weee I can attend this one! :)
[15:05] <smarter> apachelogger: in kdegraphics' debian/rules there's DEB_DH_MAKESHLIBS_ARGS_libokularcore1 := -V'libokularcore1 (>= 4:4.0.80)', could you update it?
[15:05] <Nightrose> <- gone
[15:05] <Jucato> bye Nightrose
[15:05] <apachelogger> smarter: add it to my todo in the batcave
[15:05]  * apachelogger needs to update the tarball anyway
[15:05] <smarter> apachelogger: okay
[15:06] <smarter> apachelogger: 4.1.0 was not really 4.1.0? ;)
[15:06] <apachelogger> something like that
[15:08] <smarter> someone managed to build -workspace ?
[15:08] <apachelogger> sure
[15:08] <smarter> cool
[15:08] <smarter> how?
[15:10] <JontheEchidna> 31%
[15:13] <vorian> y
[15:13] <vorian> whoopsie
[15:13] <apachelogger> 78%
[15:13] <apachelogger> smarter: didn't fail for me at all
[15:13] <vorian> -10%
[15:13] <apachelogger> and Riddell created a patch
[15:13] <Riddell> I think it just needs 4.1 kdelibs
[15:13] <apachelogger> I am currently building the complete stack in pbuilder to check wheather the patch is necessary
[15:15] <smarter> ok, great :)
[15:15]  * smarter is waiting for kdelibs3 build to test his patches for Adept
[15:15] <Riddell> smarter: what are those patches?
[15:15]  * JontheEchidna goes outside to exercise the dog
[15:15] <Jucato> don't you mean kdelibs4? :)
[15:16] <smarter> Jucato: yep, but kdelibs4 sounds like kdelibs of kde4 :P
[15:16] <JontheEchidna> P.S. 36
[15:16] <JontheEchidna> %
[15:16] <Jucato> smarter: let's thank Debian for that :)
[15:17] <smarter> Riddell: one to make the "you need to reboot" dialog work with kde4
[15:17] <smarter> Riddell: another one to make Adept Installer displays more icons
[15:18] <smarter> I was working on app-install-data for Medibuntu and I discovered that adept-installed did not fetch icons when the Icon= field don't have an extension
[15:18] <smarter> *adept-installer
[15:18] <Jucato> hm...
[15:19] <smarter> (which is the correct way to do it, according to the freedesktop spec)
[15:19] <Jucato> not sure if it was fixed before, but does adept installer now Fetch Updates (apt-get update) whenever the repositories have been change (Software Sources button)?
[15:19] <smarter> I worked on that but I don't remember (:
[15:20] <smarter> I think it was tricky, because the update part is part of manager, not the lib
[15:20] <Jucato> I tried to work on it too :P
[15:20] <Jucato> too bad though, I gave up
[15:20] <smarter> I even implemented dcop calls in adept manager one day :P
[15:21] <Jucato> heheh
[15:22] <Jucato> and then we'll be moving to packagekit. ain't that great? :P
[15:24] <smarter> we'll see
[15:24] <smarter> but I think anything we'll be better than our overpatched adept :]
[15:25] <Riddell> packagekit needs kpolicykit to work
[15:25] <Riddell> smarter: have you looked at adept 3?
[15:25] <smarter> not for a long time
[15:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: finished :P
[15:26] <apachelogger> now building workspace
[15:26] <smarter> latest release on mornfall's PPA is 4 months old :/
[15:26] <smarter> by the way, where is he?
[15:29]  * davmor2 goes for a live 32bit test 
[15:33] <Riddell> smarter: on #kde-devel
[15:33] <Riddell> smarter: possibly his darcs or mercurial branch has something newer
[15:33] <Riddell> can't remember which revision control he uses now
[15:34] <smarter> ok, thanks
[15:39] <yuriy> Riddell: sounds good
[15:39] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: 54%
[15:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: starting pimlibs now
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> cool
[15:45]  * apachelogger is wondering whether we can make the backport process more productive
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> 61%
[15:50] <Jucato> Riddell: is the meeting on Wednesday final already? maybe we could add it to the topic? (please? :P)
[15:50] <Riddell> Jucato: go ahead
[15:50]  * Jucato doesn't trust kdepim to always work these days
[15:50] <apachelogger> :)
[16:39] <nixternal> Riddell: that date and time works for me
[16:39] <nixternal> http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/113351  <- that totally sucks
[16:39] <Jucato> nixternal!!!!
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> 85% \o/
[16:39] <nixternal> just rode into work
[16:39] <jjesse> long ride?
[16:40] <Jucato> jjesse!!!!
[16:40] <nixternal> jjesse: not really
[16:40] <nixternal> rode in on the new bike today
[16:40] <jjesse> Jucato: hello stranger
[16:40] <Jucato> nixternal: I hope your vehicle didn't literally ride *into* work...
[16:40] <Jucato> jjesse: hahah! true dat :P
[16:40] <nixternal> ya, that would hurt
[16:40] <nixternal> ;p
[16:40] <Jucato> hahaha well since it's a bike...
[16:40] <jjesse> super busy w/ kid and work so haven't been on much
[16:41] <nixternal> hehe, I know the busy feeling
[16:42] <Jucato> do you know the "should be busy but don't know where my time has gone to" feeling?
[16:43] <Jucato> I mentioned the other day that I'll be doing a talk about contributing to KDE and Kubuntu next month for our LoCo. I need to get updated on our KDE 4 plans for Intrepid (thank goodness there will be a meeting next week :P)
[16:45] <nixternal> hehe, no doubt
[16:45] <nixternal> I am planning to deliver big news at our next meeting
[16:45] <jjesse> i actually have never installed any alphas of intrepid
[16:46] <jjesse> this is quite unusual for a dev cylce for me
[16:46] <nixternal> same here
[16:46] <Jucato> for nixternal specially!
[17:16] <vorian> all my belongs to the base
[17:17] <Jucato> kdebase, that is :)
[17:17] <vorian> haha
[17:19] <vorian> i love elmo's world
[17:30]  * JontheEchidna <3's debuild -nc
[17:33] <vorian> <3 food
[17:34] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I think kde4libs should ftbfs
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> usr/share/kde4/accept-languages.codes should be usr/etc/kde4/accept-languages.codes
[17:35] <smarter> usr/etc?
[17:36] <JontheEchidna> that's what make -f debian/rules list-missing said
[17:36] <JontheEchidna> /usr/lib/kde4/etc/kde4/accept-languages.codes
[17:36] <JontheEchidna> ^that's for hardy
[17:36] <smarter> ah :)
[17:36] <vorian> shouldn't you add it JontheEchidna?
[17:37] <JontheEchidna> vorian: it also said that usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/accept-languages.codes didn't exist
[17:37] <vorian> add them in the correct .install files
[17:38] <JontheEchidna> it ftbfs when it tried to cp usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/accept-languages.codes
[17:38] <JontheEchidna> and list-missing said that usr/lib/kde4/etc/kde4/accept-languages.codes was missing
[17:39] <vorian> JontheEchidna: run this
[17:39] <vorian> dh_install --sourcedir=debian/tmp --list-missing
[17:39] <vorian> and tell me what it shows
[17:39]  * JontheEchidna is debuild -nc at the moment
[17:39] <vorian> well, never mind then
[17:39] <vorian> :P
[17:39] <JontheEchidna> :P
[17:41] <JontheEchidna> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde4/lib/qt4/plugins/designer/kdewidgets.so': No such file or directory
[17:41] <JontheEchidna> (I had fixed the accept-languages one
[17:41] <JontheEchidna> )
[17:41] <vorian> ok, remove that line, save it, then rerun dh_install -sourcedir
[17:42] <vorian> keep doing that until you have to remove no more lines
[17:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: all kde-l10n compiled and looking good
[17:51]  * JontheEchidna can't find the file in the .install files...
[17:53] <vorian> noooooooo
[17:53] <vorian> argh
[17:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: cool ... btw, workspace is compiling fine with 4.1.0 kdelibs
[18:02] <vorian> apachelogger: base and base-runtime for hardy are all yours
[18:02] <vorian> (as in now in your inbox)
[18:02]  * apachelogger hands vorian a cookie and uploads -workspace
[18:02] <vorian> i'll almost done with pimlibs
[18:03] <vorian> then i'll have to go to work
[18:03]  * apachelogger should go showering for the partynighty(tm)
[18:09] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the backports howto seems a bit strange
[18:09] <JontheEchidna> it probably is
[18:10] <apachelogger> why would one grab the .98 package?
[18:10] <apachelogger> Get orig.tar.gz, .dsc, and diff.gz from Launchpad (e.g. https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwor
[18:10]  * apachelogger edits
[18:10] <vorian> apachelogger: kdepimlibs sent
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah, magic directory
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> oh wait
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> nevermind
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> I was thinking doing backports + new upstreams
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> since that's what I had been doing
[18:12] <apachelogger> backporting for hardy is awkward anyway
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> confounded /usr/lib/kde4
[18:12]  * apachelogger doesn't even know which approach to describe
[18:12] <apachelogger> vorian: how are you doing it?
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> if it compiles, ship it!
[18:12] <vorian> well
[18:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that is a very very very very bad technique
[18:12] <vorian> i'm doing it the same way i did in hardy
[18:13] <vorian> i take the tarball
[18:13] <apachelogger> hm
[18:13] <apachelogger> ok
[18:13] <vorian> apt-get source the curversion
[18:13] <JontheEchidna> wrestle with dh_install
[18:13] <vorian> copy the debian dir over to the new package
[18:13] <vorian> etc ...
[18:13] <vorian> it's much safer that way IMO
[18:13] <apachelogger> that actually might be the most sensable approach
[18:13] <apachelogger> vorian: yeah, I like it
[18:13]  * apachelogger documents
[18:13] <vorian> :)
[18:14] <vorian> sorry I can't do any more today
[18:14] <vorian> have fun everyone :)
[18:15] <Riddell> yes, hardy backports are best done with the current hardy ppa version
[18:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: ok if I start uploading the packages that come before kdelibs?
[18:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think I changed something in akonadi today
[18:17] <apachelogger> I'll reupload the diff and dscs
[18:17] <JontheEchidna> ok, I think I've fixed all the FTBFS's from moved files, now I have to get the new locations into the .install files and kde4libs~hardy will be done
[18:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: ready for upload :)
[18:21] <JontheEchidna> dh_install takes a lot longer when it doesn't fail... heh
[18:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: updated the howto
[18:24] <Riddell> I wonder if automoc can be synced from debian
[18:25] <apachelogger> probably, I didn't see any thing that differs
[18:25]  * apachelogger needs to go showering
[18:28] <Riddell> hot day, I've had two showers already
[18:32] <Nightrose> re
[18:32] <Jucato> mi?
[18:46] <yuriy> ryanakca: gutsy proposals? pun intended?
[18:48] <JontheEchidna> How do I know where to place the files listed in list-missing?
[18:49] <JontheEchidna> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/30336/
[18:50] <JontheEchidna> usr/lib/kde4/lib/kde4/kspell_aspell.so should probably go to kdelibs5
[18:52] <ryanakca> yuriy: nah
[18:52] <JontheEchidna> apt-file search to the rescue
[18:52] <ryanakca> yuriy: Gutsy Gibbon crossed my mind, but I could've used edgy if you would've prefered :P
[18:57] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: look at where the intrepid packages put them
[18:57] <Riddell> some of those don't need to be installed
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> Like the manpages
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> since the .manpage file takes care of that
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> and that all_lanugages file
[18:58] <JontheEchidna> ok, it should all be good now. Let's hope debuild agrees
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sent kde4libs 4.1.0 hardy
[19:31] <Nightrose> ryanakca: in case i havn't said so yet: great work on the website :)
[19:33] <ryanakca> Nightrose: thanks :)  Thank Matt Nuzum too, it's all based on his work :)
[19:40] <smarter>   kdelibs4c2a: Depends: libavahi-qt3 (>= 0.6.16) which is a virtual package.
[19:40] <smarter>   kdelibs4c2a: Depends: libavahi-qt3 (>= 0.6.16) which is a virtual package.
[19:40] <smarter> oops
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: oops, forgot to change the build-depend packages required versions back to 4.1.0
[19:52] <bdgraue> is there any chance to get intrpid run in hardy virtualbox?
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: resent
[19:52] <bdgraue> s/intrpid/intrepid
[19:56] <Riddell> bdgraue: #ubuntu-testers may know about things like that
[19:57] <bdgraue> thx Riddell
[19:57] <bdgraue> there is no channel named #ubuntu-testers  :(
[19:58] <bdgraue> do i have to go to #ubuntu+1?
[19:58] <Riddell> #ubuntu-testing ?
[19:58] <bdgraue> #ubuntu-testing exists :D
[19:59] <Riddell> vorian: no backports of phonon, akonadi, soprano?
[19:59] <Riddell> I'd expect they'd be needed
[20:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: are you in e.v. yet?
[20:14] <Nightrose> Riddell: he is not
[20:15] <Nightrose> but should be... ;-)
[20:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: the current thread seems like a good point to pimp kde nightly
[20:20] <Nightrose> indeed
[20:21] <Nightrose> but he would still refuse to spend the time to set up the maschine i guess
[20:21] <Nightrose> which i can understand
[20:21] <Nightrose> anyway - worth mentioning it
[20:32] <Nightrose> Riddell: are you going to pimp neon on the eV list or should I? ;-)
[20:33] <Riddell> Nightrose: go ahead if you want, I'm looking at planetkde bits
[20:33] <Nightrose> ok
[20:48] <yuriy> to whom it may concern: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdesdk-scripts_4%3a4.0.98-0ubuntu2_all.deb (--unpack):                      trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/preparetips', which is also in package kdelibs4-dev
[20:49] <Riddell> yuriy: intrepid?
[20:49] <yuriy> Riddell: yes
[20:49] <Riddell> yuriy: what version of kdelibs4-dev?
[20:51] <yuriy> Riddell: hmm... kdelibs4-dev_3.5.9.dfsg.1-4ubuntu3_i386
[20:51] <devfil_> yuriy: already fixed in kdelibs4-dev_3.5.9.dfsg.1-4ubuntu4
[20:51] <Riddell> it should have kdesdk-scripts updated with a Replaces too
[20:52] <devfil_> Riddell: it is the problem that I've fixed
[20:53] <yuriy> devfil_: ok, thanks!
[20:53] <Riddell> devfil_: right, but it needs kdesdk-scripts with a Replaces too
[20:53] <devfil_> Riddell: kdesdk-scripts is a dependency of kdelibs4-dev
[20:54] <devfil_> I've removed preparetips from kdelibs4-dev
[20:54] <devfil_> so the bug is fixed
[20:54] <Riddell> devfil_: not quite, as with yuriy apt can update kdesdk-scripts without updating kdelibs4-dev
[20:55] <Riddell> kdesdk-scripts should have Replaces: kdelibs4-dev (<< 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-4ubuntu4)
[20:56] <devfil_> Riddell: ah ok, let me make it
[21:03] <devfil_> Riddell: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/30373/
[21:05] <hunger> Riddell: Thanks for cmake-gui and ccmake!
[21:05] <Riddell> hunger: thanks for poking us
[21:06] <Riddell> devfil_: groovy, uploading
[21:06] <devfil_> thanks
[21:12] <hunger> Riddell: May I poke you about kdelibs4? That needs a rebuild for the libcupsys->libcups transition.
[21:13] <Riddell> it does?
[21:13]  * hunger guesses that this is already in the works though.
[21:13] <Riddell> err, yes, that's right, we're just QAing it now :)
[21:13] <Riddell> maybe devfil_ would volunteer?
[21:14] <hunger> It is the only kde thing that breaks when removing libcupsys2:-)
[21:14] <devfil_> Riddell: for the rebuild?
[21:15] <devfil_> ok
[21:15]  * hunger thinks kubuntu/intrepid is actually usable. Good work, guys.
[21:15] <Riddell> thanks devfil_, you're the best
[21:15] <Riddell> thanks hunger :)
[21:16] <hunger> I have to admit that it works better than my svn builds;-)
[21:20] <devfil_> Riddell: I need only to change libcupsys2-dev with libcups2-dev, right?
[21:20] <Riddell> devfil_: yes, and recompile to make sure it picks up the right dependency for kdelibs4c2a
[21:20] <devfil_> ok
[21:36] <yuriy> gtk apps look so much better without any widget styling whatsoever :D
[21:41] <devfil_> Riddell: uploaded to my ppa
[21:59] <Riddell> Nightrose: ach weel, worth a shot :)
[22:00] <Nightrose> Riddell: ?
[22:00] <Nightrose> ah
[22:00] <Nightrose> yea ;-)
[22:00] <Nightrose> and probably others will read it
[22:00] <Nightrose> and they might find it useful
[22:00] <Riddell> pimpage :)
[22:00] <Nightrose> like Wade
[22:01] <Nightrose> i assume way too few have heard about it yet
[22:36] <ScottK> Riddell: Would you have time for a small archive-admin task?  In Bug #248716, both sauerbraten and sauerbraten data were supposed to be backported, but the data package didn't get done, so now it's uninstallable ...
[22:38] <Riddell> ScottK: ok
[22:38] <devfil_> Riddell: kdelibs build fine as you can see on my ppa and this is the debdiff: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/30401/
[22:38] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.  Game players are very impatient about this stuff.  I wouldn't want to leave them without their data over the weekend ... ;-)
[22:39] <Riddell> devfil_: and now it depends on libcups?
[22:41] <devfil_> Riddell: I need that binaries appear on my repo so I can check for dep
[22:42] <devfil_> Riddell: I need to check kdelibs4c2a package, right?
[22:45] <devfil_> Riddell: kdelibs4c2a  depends on libcups2 (>= 1.3.7)
[22:47] <devfil_> Riddell: I've discovered another error
[22:47] <devfil_> Riddell: kdelibs4c2a depends on libavahi-qt3 but he package name is libavahi-qt3-1
[22:47] <devfil_> s/he/the/
[22:48] <Riddell> devfil_: in your ppa?
[22:48] <devfil_> Riddell: yes, maybe in the package in main
[22:48] <Riddell> ScottK: that package is 298M!
[22:49] <ScottK> Yeah.
[22:49] <ScottK> As game data packages go it's pretty small.
[22:50] <devfil_> Riddell: also the package in main
[22:51] <devfil_> avahi should be fixed
[22:52] <Riddell> this is most peculiar
[22:52] <devfil_> ${shlibs:Depends} adds it
[22:56] <Riddell> cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/libavahi-qt3-1.shlibs
[22:56] <Riddell> libavahi-qt3 1 libavahi-qt3-1 (>= 0.6.16)
[22:56] <Riddell> that's fine
[22:57] <devfil_> Riddell: it should be fixed in the package
[22:58] <Riddell> which package?
[22:58] <devfil_> kdelibs4c2a
[22:59] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[23:00] <Riddell> can't imagine what's wrong with kdelibs4c2a
[23:00] <Riddell> and avahi seems fine as I just pasted
[23:00] <devfil_> Riddell: DEB_SHLIBDEPS_INCLUDE = $(foreach p,$(PACKAGES_WITH_LIBS),debian/$(p)/usr/lib)
[23:00] <devfil_> maybe we can adjust here
[23:01] <Riddell> I don't see that
[23:01] <Riddell> but anyway i'd rather track down what the actual problem is
[23:05] <devfil_> Riddell: look at 27_kdnssd_avahi patch
[23:05] <devfil_> +PKG_CHECK_MODULES( AVAHI, [ avahi-qt3 >= 0.4 , avahi-client >= 0.4 ])
[23:05] <devfil_> maybe should be
[23:05] <devfil_> +PKG_CHECK_MODULES( AVAHI, [ avahi-qt3-1 >= 0.4 , avahi-client >= 0.4 ])
[23:07] <Riddell> no, that's looking for the name of the library file, which is avahi-qt3 (libavahi-qt3.so)
[23:07] <devfil_> ah ok
[23:07] <Riddell> it's only the package which has the -1 on the end
[23:07] <Riddell> but shlibs knows that it does
[23:08] <devfil_> Riddell: is possible to make a virtual package for -1?
[23:09]  * JontheEchidna boots into the unspeakable OS
[23:10] <Riddell> devfil_: sure but it's not really finding the root of the problem
[23:11] <devfil_> Riddell: but it is a workaround
[23:11] <devfil_> we don't know if kdelibs4c2a is the only package with this problem
[23:12] <Riddell> try recomiling mateedit maybe, it also uses libavahi-qt3-1
[23:15] <devfil_> Riddell: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[23:15] <devfil_>   kdelibs4c2a: Depends: libavahi-qt3 (>= 0.6.16) which is a virtual package.
[23:18] <Riddell> devfil_: that's mateedit?
[23:18] <devfil_> ehm yes
[23:18] <devfil_> it cannot be builded with this problem
[23:19] <Riddell> you need an old kdelibs4c2a
[23:19] <Riddell> wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdelibs/kdelibs4c2a_3.5.9.dfsg.1-4ubuntu3_i386.deb
[23:19] <devfil_> ok
[23:22] <Riddell> Depends: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.9), libacl1 (>= 2.2.11-1), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.18), libattr1 (>= 2.4.41-1), libaudio2, libavahi-client3 (>= 0.6.16), libavahi-common3 (>= 0.6.16), libavahi-qt3 (>= 0.6.16)
[23:22] <Riddell> I don't understand it
[23:23] <devfil_> I don't too
[23:39] <devfil_> Riddell: same dep also in mateedit
[23:39] <devfil_> without -1
[23:39] <Riddell> is crazy
[23:40] <devfil_> yes
[23:40] <Notch-1> hi all
[23:40] <devfil_> Riddell: we need a workaround while we fix it properly
[23:41] <Notch-1> may i ask a little question'
[23:41] <Notch-1> ?
[23:41] <devfil_> Notch-1: you already asked a question :)
[23:42] <Notch-1> hehe
[23:43] <Notch-1> i know but you seem in other conversation...
[23:43] <Notch-1> anyway... i noticed that with "kdialog --progressbar test 0" i can create a "scanning" progressbar, but to make it scan i have to setProgress many time....
[23:43] <Notch-1> Is there a way to make it scan by itself?
[23:45] <Riddell> Notch-1: #kde
[23:45] <Notch-1> i know but nobody never answer on #kde :D
[23:47] <Riddell> probably nobody knows
[23:48] <Notch-1> never got answers... on anything...
[23:51] <devfil_> Riddell: avahi is ridiculous
[23:51] <devfil_> is impossible