[00:44] <MGrunde> Anybody know the status of Alpha 3?
[00:45] <jbroome> it's alpha
[00:46] <MGrunde> Erm, meaning if it's still expected to be released today.
[00:47] <jbroome> I've been looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule  every so often to see if the alpha 3 link is live.  other than that i don't know w/o digging into the mailing list
[00:48] <MGrunde> Okay, thank you.
[01:12] <Martiini> Has intrepid alpha 3 been released yet ??
[01:37] <Bodsda> hey guys
[01:38] <Bodsda> is pulseaudio going to be in intrepid? if so will it work properly or is it gonna be left the same as in hardy?
[01:53] <alex-weej> Bodsda: what's broken?
[01:54] <Bodsda> alex-weej, pulse audio, something about its config in default hardy means it doesnt allow multi programs to use sound
[01:54] <alex-weej> no, it works fine
[01:54] <alex-weej> Flash is broken
[01:54] <Bodsda> removing the damn thing seems to help
[01:54] <alex-weej> that's basically it.
[01:55] <Bodsda> no its pa not flash
[01:55] <alex-weej> no, it's flash
[01:55] <Bodsda> pa
[01:55] <alex-weej> flash
[01:55] <Bodsda> pa
[01:55] <alex-weej> flash
[01:55] <Bodsda> pa
[01:55] <alex-weej> flash
[01:55] <Bodsda> pa
[01:55] <alex-weej> flash
[01:55] <Bodsda> pa
[01:55] <alex-weej> flash
[01:55] <Bodsda> pa
[01:55] <awalton_laptop> if it's pulse, remove it and be done with it.
[01:56] <awalton_laptop> then you'll realize, flash still sucks.
[01:56] <alex-weej> chortle
[01:56] <alex-weej> flash can be made to work with pulse properly if you install libflashsupport
[01:56] <Bodsda> if the prob is flash alex-weej why do i not get sound after a clean reinstall? (no sound untill i remove pa) awalton_laptop i did ;~)
[01:56] <alex-weej> unfortunately, because flash is rubbish, it crashes more that way
[01:56] <alex-weej> Bodsda: then file some bugs, because it WORKSFORME :P
[01:56] <awalton_laptop> swfdec wfm.
[01:57] <Bodsda> alex-weej, BROKENFORME -- will file some bugs, cheers
[01:57] <Bodsda> cya guys
[01:57] <alex-weej> ciao
[01:57] <alex-weej> MUPPET!
[02:54] <scyrma> thunderbird breaks for me in this morning's update ... "buffer overflow" .. am I the only one?
[02:54] <scyrma> (morning means 30 minutes ago)
[03:04] <gnomefreak> i will test in about an hour, is it just an buffer overflow issue?
[03:04] <gnomefreak> sc`hardy or intrepid?
[03:04] <gnomefreak> scyrma: hardy or intrepid?
[03:04] <scyrma> gnomefreak: on intrepid
[03:05] <gnomefreak> scyrma: ok ill look at it tonight or first thing in morning (i have a tv show i need to watch but its already 10pm here so we will see if i make it back
[03:05] <scyrma> when I try to start it, I get "*** buffer overflow detected ***: /usr/lib/thunderbird/thunderbird-bin terminated" and a backtrace
[03:05] <Hobbsee> oh dear.
[03:05] <Hobbsee> yeah, i've got that too.
[03:06] <gnomefreak> ok looks like easy fix. ill ping Alexander when i get back to find out what he did other than security update after i look at it.
[03:06] <scyrma> ah, cheers!
[03:06] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: how?
[03:07] <gnomefreak> how to fix?
[03:07] <gnomefreak> i need to look at it first either in an hour or in morning
[03:07] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:08] <gnomefreak> strange feeling im wrong about easy fix since its most likely upstream issue but i will find out
[03:08] <gnomefreak> ok gone for an hour see you than
[03:18]  * scyrma wonders what's that Thursday night 10pm tv show 
[03:19]  * ethana2 is waiting anxiously for alpha 3
[03:27] <ethana2> I don't think I'll stay up tonight waiting for it this time though
[03:27] <ethana2> in the past, that hasn't gone too well at all
[03:28] <ethana2> by the way, I have an nVidia geforce 8400m gs
[03:28] <ethana2> if i install intrepid beside hardy, will it have 3d acceleration?
[03:29] <LSD|Ninja> ethana2: on a newer card like that it should, the drivers aren't in the panel yet afaik but you can still install them through synaptic
[03:37] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: scyrma is this on IMAP or POP3?
[03:37] <Hobbsee> imap
[03:37] <gnomefreak> i was testing our ~qa and didnt see it with pop
[03:38] <gnomefreak> testing official tbirf now
[03:38] <gnomefreak> tbird
[03:38] <scyrma> I've got both imap and pop, three accounts active
[03:38] <gnomefreak> im betting its due to IMAP
[03:38] <gnomefreak> scyrma: can you turn off IMAP accounts (disable atleast)
[03:39] <gnomefreak> scyrma: or use a new profile by renaming ~/.mozilla-thunderbird and than start thunderbird and set up one pop3 account
[03:39] <gnomefreak> mines not opening :(
[03:40] <gnomefreak> scyrma: dont no need to do that
[03:40] <gnomefreak> what the hell did he change
[03:40] <scyrma> doesn't work for me either
[03:40] <gnomefreak> the ~qa package works
[03:40] <scyrma> ..where can I get it? :)
[03:40] <scyrma> (just joking)
[03:40] <gnomefreak> and thats testing for the official package so i would love to know what alexander did
[03:41] <gnomefreak> scyrma: one of our PPAs if you give me a minute ill get it for you but you will have to downgrade to it than pin the official tbird
[03:49]  * scyrma found the qa package :)
[03:51] <scyrma> I removed and purged the old thunderbird package, installed the ~qa one, and I still get the buffer overflow
[03:54] <scyrma> ...even with a blank ~/.mozilla-thunderbird
[03:55] <gnomefreak> ah ok its not thunderbird than
[03:55] <gnomefreak> it was working this afternoon now its not
[03:56] <gnomefreak> gine me a few minutes im gonna test on hardy
[03:57] <scyrma> I also removed enigmail and locales packages, in case it changes something ..
[03:57] <gnomefreak> it wont
[03:57] <gnomefreak> need to find out what package is causing this
[03:57] <gnomefreak> brb
[03:57] <scyrma> ok
[04:01] <gnomefreak> ill be back smoke and phone
[04:04] <DanaG> I actually use two IMAP accounts with no issues.
[04:04] <DanaG> What's the issue you're having?
[04:05] <scyrma> buffer overflow, on startup ...
[04:08] <DanaG> Aah.
[04:08] <DanaG> Odd.
[04:09] <Hobbsee> sigh.
[04:09] <Hobbsee> wait, no, maybe pidgin didn't explode
[04:23] <gnomefreak> tbird 2.0.0.16 works on hardy
[04:24] <gnomefreak> so its caused by another app just not sure if its libc6 or the other package (name escapes me
[04:25] <gnomefreak> it hasnt been set up yet during updates
[04:32] <gnomefreak> it is definatly something other than tbird causing that as its not the only package that does it
[04:33] <DanaG> hEH, now Flash is spamming my desktop with random windows in the sizes and shapes of the banner ads that should be on the page.
[04:33] <DanaG> Great... and closing the window just killed my Firefox session.
[04:33] <gnomefreak> yep works fine in Hardy
[04:33] <DanaG> Thanks a pantsload, Adobe!
[04:34] <DanaG> Isn't flash "Wonderful"?
[04:36]  * burner despises flash but loves its content
[04:36] <burner> go moonlight!!  ?? ;)
[04:37] <RAOF> DanaG: Is that with flashplugin-nonfree, or swfdec, or whatever?
[04:37] <RAOF> Also, Go Moonlight!
[04:37] <RAOF> Kill that flash dead!
[04:38]  * burner wonders if open sourced app built behind Microsoft is really that much better
[04:38] <DanaG> nonfree.
[04:39] <RAOF> Hm.  I thought that was a swfdec problem, since gnash doesn't suffer from it.
[04:40] <burner> anyone have synergy working in intrepid?
[04:40] <burner> i'm not sure what killed it, but I upgraded to hardy last night and I can't connect
[04:40] <burner> s/hardy/intrepid/g :)
[04:40] <scyrma> gnomefreak: what other packages are doing the buffer overflow thing?
[04:40] <gnomefreak> ok tbird bug will be looked into tomorow
[04:41] <gnomefreak> scyrma: not sure yet i will know more tomorrow
[04:41] <scyrma> cool, thanks
[04:41] <gnomefreak> but it was working until updates after 1pm here
[04:41] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I am also using nspluginwrapper.
[04:41] <burner> do we have any idea what the timeline for Thunderbird 3.0 is?  I've been using the nightlies and it's just so much better!
[04:41] <DanaG> Otherwise... it'd be taking down Firefox about, oh, every 3 web pages.
[04:41] <ethana2> oh hey,  is intrepid going to ship with java preinstalled, or is that a waste of disk space?
[04:41] <DanaG> s/down Firefox/Firefox down/
[04:42] <DanaG> burner: what does 3.0 change?
[04:42] <burner> IMAP accounts actually work with decent speed :)
[04:42] <burner> fonts are rendered better
[04:43] <ethana2> burner: does thunderburd know how to use gmail and all that without you telling it like mac mail?
[04:43] <RAOF> ethana2: I think we're unlikely to be able to find the space to ship java.
[04:43] <burner> ethana2: i think thunderbird 2 does that!
[04:43] <ethana2> oh, sweet
[04:43] <ethana2> ...why are we shipping evolution then?
[04:44] <burner> because the time applet depends on eds ;)
[04:44] <Flannel> thunderbird does have a special gmail entry in its wizard
[04:44] <ethana2> ah.
[04:44] <burner> eds powers a few things in java
[04:44] <RAOF> Because Evolution is a gnome app, and tbird looks like arse? :)
[04:44] <burner> er... s/java/gnome  sorry, i must be sleepy or something tonight
[04:44] <ethana2> I see
[04:45] <burner> tbird is gtk
[04:45]  * ethana2 checks to see if his drive burns DVDs
[04:45] <RAOF> Also, evolution does a bunch of stuff that tbird doesn't.
[04:45] <ethana2> that makes sense
[04:45] <ethana2> yep, it burns DVDs
[04:45] <burner> tbird does contacts, tasks, and calendar with the lightning extension... though exchange support is not there
[04:46]  * burner notes that exchange with evolution is not usable
[04:46] <ethana2> My apologies, I'm not a very good lurker.. I just want to know the instant alpha 3 of intrepid is out
[04:47] <burner> well, the latest gnome release is already there, that's pretty exciting!  I like my eject button in nautilus and my tabs and my compact view
[04:47] <ethana2> columns in nautilus?
[04:47] <Hobbsee> ethana2: topic will change, most likely.  of course, you could help test alpha 3.
[04:47] <burner> no... kind of like "list view"  in windows
[04:47] <gnomefreak> burner: should be in tbird 3 as it is a bug on mozillas bugzilla tracker
[04:48] <ethana2> Hobbsee: what kind of testing?
[04:48] <gnomefreak> ethana2: why why not grab daily ISO
[04:48] <burner> gnomefreak: i'm just curious if tbird 3 is planned to get into intrepid
[04:48] <gnomefreak> if you are that hard up for broken system
[04:48] <ethana2> heh
[04:48] <gnomefreak> burner: i havent decided yet
[04:48] <ethana2> it's already broken actually
[04:48] <ethana2> i have to send it back to dell soon
[04:49] <ethana2> mainboard is unreliable..  i keep the hard drive though
[04:49] <gnomefreak> burner: i have it on my PPA the latest snapshot was todays this morning
[04:49] <Hobbsee> ethana2: to see if it works
[04:49] <ethana2> I actually bought this with ubuntu preinstalled from dell, i hope it helps them
[04:49] <ethana2> Hobbsee: working is always good
[04:49] <burner> gnomefreak: i'd use your ppa, but it's easy to just download a .tar.gz from mozilla.org, extract it, and run it
[04:49] <gnomefreak> burner: i will talk to the rest of the team and see what we think
[04:49] <Hobbsee> ethana2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing#head-23b21b368030f6c1c8d2dd33a06da8cef41e0573
[04:50] <gnomefreak> burner: but you wont get updates since i am new maintainer of tbird 3 i will be releasing new snapshots every 2-3 weeks
[04:50] <Flannel> gnomefreak: Hows TB3 looking?
[04:51] <gnomefreak> Flannel: eh its not too bad atm but it isnt ready for xulrunner yet once that happens its gonna change alot
[04:51] <burner> gnomefreak: in my tbird nightly, i hit, help, check for updates and it gets the next days tbird and automatically restarts for me :)  it's a bit scary they call it "shredder"
[04:51] <gnomefreak> tbird 3 WILL have lightning with it
[04:51] <Flannel> gnomefreak: Really?
[04:51] <burner> sweet
[04:51] <gnomefreak> Flannel: yes
[04:51]  * Flannel didn't think Lightning was mature
[04:52] <burner> it's sweet with my google calendar
[04:52] <gnomefreak> we will be carrying sunbird still
[04:53] <gnomefreak> Flannel: it is but we are waiting for 1.0 before adding it to tbird 3 as 1.0 will have  massive changes
[04:53] <gnomefreak> atleast that is what we/they were thinking about
[04:59] <DanaG> I won't use Evolution as long as it doesn't let you separate POP accounts... and as long as it doesn't let you rename folders.
[04:59] <DanaG> Where do I go to get tbird 3?
[05:00] <DanaG> And are there prebuilt Windows versions?
[05:00] <DanaG> I share a profile between Windows and Linux.
[05:01] <gnomefreak> DanaG: my PPA
[05:01]  * Flannel wonders why anyone doesn't use getmail/fetchmail for fetching.
[05:02] <gnomefreak> and it will sync with your tbird set up now and will have profile ~/.thunderbird
[05:02] <Flannel> DanaG: http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/early_releases/
[05:03] <gnomefreak> DanaG: be warned i havent had a chance to test this latest build
[05:04] <gnomefreak> Flannel: test with our builds https://edge.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/+archive  that way we can fix bugs
[05:05] <Flannel> gnomefreak: DanaG was asking for a windows version
[05:05] <gnomefreak> oh
[05:05]  * Flannel still hasn't upgraded to Hardy from Dapper.
[05:06] <gnomefreak> ftp.mozilla.org is where i get windows versions
[05:06] <gnomefreak> of all mozilla apps except prism and other xulrunner apps
[05:06] <Flannel> Which means you're all wondering why I'm here! so I'll tell you:  I'm doing a speech at a LUG soon, and they want to learn about some new/exciting features planned for intrepid.  Anyone know of a good list (or rattle off a couple of good ones)?
[05:07] <DanaG> I don't quite like dailies; I'd rather have specific alphas.
[05:10] <gnomefreak> DanaG: ftp.mozilla.org has dailys and alphas
[05:10] <gnomefreak> ok ill be back
[05:30] <sosriqwe> tbird-3.0 is also broken currently... same problem with tbird-2
[05:33] <gnomefreak> sosriqwe: yes because its not thunderbird that is causing it
[05:33] <gnomefreak> i have a feeling it was one of the gnome libs
[05:33] <gnomefreak> but i will know more tomorrow
[05:33] <sosriqwe> i see.. probably..
[05:35] <gnomefreak> i will be running back trace tomorrow to find out exactly what package is causing it but i have found out it is not tbird for a fact
[05:36] <gluer> hi all.. is alpha-3 iso ready for download?? i want to download it at work
[05:37] <DanaG> *** buffer overflow detected ***: /usr/lib/thunderbird-3.0a2pre/thunderbird-bin terminated
[05:37] <DanaG> yay.
[05:37] <DanaG> =þ
[05:37] <gluer> alpha-3 ?
[05:38] <RAOF> gluer: Are the release notes up?  If not, then no.  If yes, then yes.
[05:38] <DanaG> My thunderbird worked until the latest update.
[05:38] <gluer> bugger.... i wanna download at work
[05:38] <gluer> danag: my firefox went all screwy after some recent updates
[05:39] <DanaG> dang mirrors don
[05:39] <DanaG> don't keep old versions.
[05:39] <sosriqwe> DanaG, it is a known issue..
[05:39] <DanaG> Seriously, the mirrors should keep around at least one old version.
[05:39] <DanaG> And make it appear in aptitude and such.
[05:40] <DanaG> Time to manually download the old-version debs.  Ugh.
[05:41] <sosriqwe> as you are using alha software, these are expected things to happen...
[05:42] <gnomefreak> DanaG: downgrading tbird will not fix the problem
[05:42] <gnomefreak> ive been there with 2.0.0.16~qa and 2.0.0.14
[05:43] <DanaG> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/thunderbird/
[05:43] <DanaG> hmm, I'll still try it .
[05:43] <gnomefreak> ok im gone ill find problem adn fix it tomorrow i hope if not i have a long weekend ahead of me
[05:43] <gnomefreak> night
[05:44] <DanaG> Aah, it worked until the last set of upgrades I installed...
[05:44] <DanaG> which included some gvfs changes.
[05:45] <sosriqwe> gnomefreak, good luck & bye
[05:45] <DanaG> Odd... for me, downgrading just thunderbird and thunderbird-gnome-support fixed it.
[05:46] <gnomefreak> DanaG: that is a very very good chance that is what caused it but its too late for me to work on it tonight, im also gonna yell at alexander
[05:46] <gnomefreak> DanaG: version?
[05:46] <DanaG> I actually didn't have to downgrade gvfs to fix it.
[05:46] <DanaG> I went to 2.0.0.14-ubuntu2 (or whatever's the last 14 on the mirror).
[05:47] <DanaG> Preparing to replace libgvfscommon0 0.99.1-0ubuntu3 (using .../libgvfscommon0_0.99.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
[05:47] <DanaG> Unpacking replacement libgvfscommon0 .
[05:47] <burner> DanaG: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/nightly/latest-trunk/thunderbird-3.0a2pre.en-US.linux-i686.tar.bz2 for the nightly
[05:47] <DanaG> Same for gvfs-backends, gvfs, gvfs-fuse.
[05:54] <DanaG> Eeh, no point to it right now, while it's overflowing.
[05:56] <gnomefreak> its not gvfs
[05:56] <DanaG> yay, deskbar-applet has an arrow again.
[05:56] <DanaG> Yeah, I looked in the backtrace; no gvfs.
[05:56] <gnomefreak> night
[05:56] <DanaG> Good night.
[05:56] <DanaG> If anyone else gets the issue, I can just tell them to reinstall the last "14" version.
[05:57] <DanaG> At least, that fixed it for me.
[05:57] <gnomefreak> i will see what i can do tomorrow i dont have much else to do since its friday ;)
[05:59] <DanaG> Downgrade isn't a real fix, it's just a way to avoid the breakage for now.
[06:00] <DanaG> One way I keep myself out of some breakage: I always try to wait until changelogs are available before installing corresponding updates.
[06:00] <DanaG> That way, I stay one update cycle behind, and have a chance to watch this channel for complaints and such.
[06:15] <DanaG> !find style.desktop
[06:16] <DanaG> yay.
[06:16] <DanaG> I wish there were a way to use my Gnome color settings in KDE apps.
[06:24]  * Hobbsee smashes flash to pieces.
[06:24]  * Hobbsee smashes websites that have their menus as flash, to pieces.
[06:26] <G_009> at least restore previous session works well in case of a session crash with multiple tabs
[06:28] <Hobbsee> that it does.
[06:47] <DanaG> wtf? can't install kcontrol.
[06:48] <DanaG> depemnddepends on kdebase-data 3.5.10 (real version); not available.
[06:48] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/human-icon-theme/+bug/144957
[06:48] <DanaG> that too.
[06:53] <DanaG> odd, some hardy-proposed updates are newer than intrepid versions.
[07:11] <scyrma> hmm.. yeah, kde isn't in a nice state in intrepid
[07:11] <ethana2> kde and gnome get a unified theme with intrepid right?
[07:12] <scyrma> with kde, you can force gtk app to use a similar ("kde colors") look .. dunno if the same is possible in gnome
[07:13] <ethana2> i'd love to have a non-frankenstein looking functional desktop with 8.10
[07:13] <ethana2> the best apps are always scattered across both DE's
[07:14] <ethana2> amarok, firefox, koffice, inkscape, gnome panel, dolphin..
[07:33] <zerwas> Perhaps someone knows: Will splashy substitute usplash with Ubuntu 8.10?
[07:47] <zerwas> ok looks like it won't make it before kernel 2.6.27 :/
[07:50] <mamooth> plop
[07:59] <jbroome> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-3/
[08:04] <ethana2> jbroome: it says daily
[08:04] <ethana2> but i'll check the other things too
[08:06]  * ethana2 torrents
[08:07] <DanaG> Dolphin... sucks.
[08:07] <DanaG> Try dragging column headers around to re-order them...
[08:08] <DanaG> :P
[08:08] <RAOF> zerwas: Does splashy now do the things that it didn't do when we first chose to write usplash? (Such as work on !IA32, not break resume-from-suspend, etc)
[08:08] <ethana2> no seeders on the torrent, blast
[08:09] <DanaG> splashy also looked bad when you hit f2, last time I tried it.
[08:09] <ethana2> i'll just get the .iso the regular way i guess
[08:09] <DanaG> It got into an odd half-graphical state.
[08:09] <DanaG> And flickery, too.
[08:12] <ethana2> DanaG: that thing jbroome posted is /the/ alpha 3, right?
[08:12] <zerwas> Okay, does not sound good.
[08:12] <ethana2> i suppose you don't bother with fanfare until stable releases ;)
[08:13] <RAOF> ethana2: It's not alpha 3 until it's got some release notes.
[08:13] <ethana2> oh.
[08:13] <ethana2> i'm downloading the .iso--
[08:14] <ethana2> whatever, it'll be virtualized anyway
[08:15] <RAOF> Soft!
[08:16]  * DanaG wishes there were a qt-gtk engine to wrap QT apps under Gnome.
[08:17] <RAOF> There is.
[08:17] <RAOF> We've covered this :)
[08:18] <RAOF> It's probably not packaged yet, though.
[08:18] <ethana2> RAOF: what is it?
[08:18] <RAOF> The GTK backend for QT.
[08:18] <DanaG> I'm willing to compile such a thing; where can I find it?
[08:18] <RAOF> QT does cross-platform right :)
[08:25] <RAOF> Gar.  Can't find it again.
[08:33] <RAOF> DanaG: http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2008/05/22/qgtkstyle-makes-kde-apps-fit-in-with-gnome
[08:34] <DanaG> ♡♥♡♥ yay.
[08:34] <DanaG> At last!
[08:34] <DanaG> I've been wanting that sort of thing for ages.
[08:35] <DanaG> Dang, for QT 4... and virtualbox uses QT 3.  :(
[08:35] <DanaG> And amarok for kde4 isn't as good as amarok for kde3, right now.
[08:36] <DanaG> HEh, that would be funny: qt4 app -> this thingy -> gtk api -> gtk-qt-engine
[08:38] <ethana2> sweet!
[08:39] <DanaG> But according to the blog, it's not possible.
[08:39] <negge> finally a workaround to the VMware login problem has been posted on the Ubuntu pages
[08:39] <DanaG> http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/05/13/introducing-qgtkstyle/
[08:39] <negge> I find it quite hard to search Launchpad but now that I saw this I can finally try the new version out
[08:46] <negge> DanaG: thanks for that link, I gotta check that out when I get home. It would be great to be able to use KDE apps without having the awful Qt look in GNOME
[08:46] <ethana2> absolutely!
[08:47] <ethana2> i think ubuntu should ship with that preinstalled ;)
[08:48] <Hobbsee> alpha 3 is out...
[08:48] <DanaG> Thank RAOF first, though.
[08:48] <negge> Hobbsee: I'm downloading it right now, gonna install in a VM
[08:48] <negge> ethana2: yeah
[08:48] <DanaG> But VirtualBox is QT3....
[08:48] <DanaG> and the good version of Amarok is qt3.
[09:09] <DanaG> !date
[09:09] <DanaG> er
[09:09] <DanaG> Fri Jul 25 01:09:23 PDT 2008
[09:12] <Hobbsee> @date
[09:12] <Hobbsee> bah
[09:12] <Hobbsee> !now
[09:15] <DanaG> pidgin plugin.        exec [-o] <command>, runs the command.               If the -o flag is used then output is sent to thecurrent conversation; otherwise it is printed to the current text box.
[09:27] <RAOF> Hobbsee: You're after /exec date, if you're sensibly using irssi :)
[09:28] <DanaG> or /exec -o, if using the pidgin plugin.
[09:28] <Hobbsee> RAOF: bleck.
[09:29] <RAOF> Fri Jul 25 18:29:05 EST 2008
[09:30] <DanaG> EST?  What's E, then?  Can't be east coast of USA.
[09:30] <DanaG> Fri Jul 25 01:30:46 PDT 2008
[09:30] <DanaG> for me.
[09:34] <gnomefreak> DanaG: did you run into problem?
[09:34] <gnomefreak> i mean cause of tbird?
[09:35] <DanaG> Hmm, downgrading Thunderbird fixed the crashing, so that's all that matters to me for now.
[09:37] <gnomefreak> lol
[09:38] <gnomefreak> i slept less than 3 hours and i work til someone if not myself figure it out
[09:41] <gnomefreak> oh well works for me :)
[09:41] <DanaG> That's a bit too truncated.
[09:41] <gnomefreak> there was more just too long
[09:41] <DanaG> Perhaps shorten it to something more like,
[09:42] <DanaG> The breakage of the day is: Thunderbird.
[09:42] <DanaG> Or something like that.
[09:42] <DanaG> Along with a note not to upgrade to the "16" version.
[09:44] <gnomefreak> i think we found the problem
[09:49] <gnomefreak> fix has been uploaded ;) atleast it should fix it
[09:50]  * gnomefreak wonders if i should fix it locally or not
[10:10] <LSD|Ninja> Desktop CDs, FINALLY! :D
[10:11]  * LSD|Ninja just remembered he's out of blank media :(
[10:13] <gnomefreak> LSD|Ninja: good luck with them
[10:13] <gnomefreak> LSD|Ninja: there is a reason they are just surfacing
[10:14] <LSD|Ninja> meh, I doubt they can be much worse than the alternate CDs
[10:42] <AlmightyCthulhu> uhhhm, why am I banned in #ubuntuforums ?
[10:56] <gnomefreak> AlmightyCthulhu: ask in #ubuntu-ops or ping one of the ops please keep it out of the channels other than those
[11:31] <propagandhi> anybody here running intrepid in vmware
[12:02] <propagandhi> hello people, I am running mac osx running vmware fusion with intrepid alpha installed (kubuntu), the mouse does not work at all
[12:03] <propagandhi> sorry, i will clarify, i mean it does not move from the bottom right corner of the screen
[12:03] <propagandhi> clicks work
[12:03] <propagandhi> anybody have any ideas
[12:04] <hyperair> try installing the guest tools or wahtevr it's called
[12:04] <hyperair> i'm not too sure about it, but it's worth a try
[12:04] <hyperair> never used vmware fusion before
[12:04] <propagandhi> done that
[12:04] <hyperair> you mean it stays at the bottom right corner of the vm's screen?
[12:04] <hyperair> what dyou mean clicks work
[12:04] <propagandhi> yes
[12:04] <hyperair> don't clicks depend on the pointer position
[12:05] <propagandhi> clicks, as in i can right click, it shows the ADD PANEL etc menu
[12:05] <hyperair> ah
[12:05] <propagandhi> hyperair: ???
[12:05] <hyperair> so you can click but only at the bottom right of the screen?
[12:05] <hyperair> how very strange
[12:05] <propagandhi> hyperair: thats it
[12:07] <propagandhi> its using the vmmouse driver
[12:07] <propagandhi> basically wanted to investigate the intrepid release, but if its futile I dont want to waste time on it until it goes to at least RC1
[12:07] <propagandhi> i'm running 8.04 everywhere else
[12:08] <propagandhi> but I've got some QT apps i want future proofed
[12:08] <hyperair> heh
[12:08] <hyperair> i usually run the alphas
[12:08] <hyperair> i mean i did on my only machine
[12:08] <hyperair> with gutsy and hardy
[12:08] <propagandhi> hyperair: yes, I have numerous times in the past
[12:08] <hyperair> but intrepid's just...
[12:08] <hyperair> T_T
[12:09] <propagandhi> its what?
[12:09] <hyperair> erm
[12:09] <hyperair> broken beyond words
[12:09] <hyperair> undescribably broken?
[12:09] <hyperair> or something along that line
[12:09] <propagandhi> ok, no worries I'm gonna discard it at this stage then
[12:09] <hyperair> mmhm
[12:10] <hyperair> considering archlinux is getting on my nerves maybe i should reinstall ubuntu
[12:10] <propagandhi> ewww i hate archlinux
[12:11] <AlmightyCthulhu> what does the kernel refer to itself as when given a challenge by the BIOS?
[12:11] <AlmightyCthulhu> is it still Microsoft Windows NT?
[12:12] <propagandhi> what the hell was that all about
[12:26] <gnomefreak> guys please move non intrepid topics to #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:32] <laga> hey. to save myself some trouble: the alpha3 desktop CD works just fine, right? or should i prefer the alternate disk? (setting up a devel box in virtualbox)
[14:42] <laga> okay, after trying the alpha3 image and daily-live/20080724.1/: can someone recommend an image which will work with virtualbox?
[14:54] <gnumm> will the next ubuntu have flashplayer 10?
[14:54] <gnumm> or a better working swfdec?
[14:59] <beilabs> Hey guys, quick question, is bluetooth support for headsets a priority for this release?
[15:05] <sosriqwe> does anybody know when the thunderbird bugfix be in the repo's?
[15:07] <Hobbsee> hopefully tomorrow, is when they said it'd be looked at
[15:07] <Hobbsee> which may be in the next few hours
[15:07] <Hobbsee> just downgrade to the earlier version
[15:12] <sosriqwe> ok.. thank  you..
[15:17] <BooVeMan_work> hi guys - a kubuntu question which i haven't found a clear answer for: a dist-upgrade from hardy to idex will replace kde3 with kde4 or will retain kde3? If retains kde3 - will it move .kde to .kde3?
[15:47] <Nece228> wheres intrepid alpha 3?
[15:50] <jbroome> hiding
[15:50] <Nece228> hiding?
[15:55] <Nece228> someone?
[15:55] <bazhang> Nece228, you upgrading or installing fresh
[15:55] <Nece228> maybe i wanna fresh
[15:56] <Nece228> im searching for cd iso download
[15:57] <bazhang> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-3/
[15:57] <bazhang> Nece228, ^^
[15:57] <BooVeMan_work> Nece228: or for kubuntu: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/intrepid/alpha-3/
[15:57] <Nece228> wow! thanks bazhang
[15:58] <bazhang> np :)
[15:58] <Nece228> BooVeMan_work thank you too
[15:59] <BooVeMan_work> bazhang: You know answer to this kubuntu question which i haven't found a clear answer for: a dist-upgrade from hardy to ibex will replace kde3 with kde4 or will retain kde3? If retains kde3 - will it move .kde to .kde3?
[16:00] <Nece228> but i dont understand why there isnt release notes for ibex
[16:00] <Nece228> hardy gutsy had it
[16:00] <bazhang> Nece228, not released yet
[16:00] <bazhang> BooVeMan_work, will look for an answer
[16:01] <BooVeMan_work> bazhang: (y)ç
[16:01] <BooVeMan_work> bazhang: (y)
[16:02] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=854315 BooVeMan_work the answer is no kde3 unless you explicitly choose to do according to that link
[16:03] <Nece228> bye, im off
[16:08] <BooVeMan_work> bazhang: sigh - which means i'll skip ibex
[16:43] <_CrashMaster_> Did Alpha3 go out yet?
[16:44] <JasonF> hey, if a fixed package has been "uploaded" but isn't on my apt sources yet, is there a place I can pull it from?
[16:46] <BooVeMan_work> _CrashMaster_: yes
[16:46] <BooVeMan_work> _CrashMaster_: ubuntu or kunbuntu?
[17:34] <Aranel> Is Kubuntu Intrepid using Pardus' network manager ?
[17:38] <Unksi> Aranel: knetworkmanager from kde3
[17:38] <Aranel> Unksi: thanks, what about user manager ?
[17:38] <Aranel> Unksi: Is it kde3 too ?
[17:38] <Unksi> you mean the user component of system settings?
[17:38] <Aranel> yes
[17:39] <Unksi> there is none atm
[17:39] <Aranel> ok thanks :)
[17:39] <Unksi> yw :)
[18:11] <joaopinto> hello
[18:11] <Unksi> hi
[18:29] <hyperair> hello there
[18:29] <hyperair> anybody knows anything about the vga terminals?
[18:29] <hyperair> they seem to be missing
[19:05] <hyperair> hm. looks like nvidia-glx-96 still isn't working as i hoped it would. =(
[19:46]  * G_009 learns something knew every other day
[21:18] <MagicFalre>  hi, i just updated ubuntu to v8.10 but failed to load: http://paste.ubuntu.com/30376/
[21:20] <_Zeus_> does it really have that typo?  or did you hand-copy it
[21:20] <_Zeus_> are you booting to recovery mode
[21:20] <_Zeus_> ?
[21:21] <MagicFalre> ??
[21:21] <_Zeus_> Startgin up.....
[21:22] <_Zeus_> i assume that you hand-copied that to the pastebin?
[21:23] <MagicFalre> i hand copied it..lol i tried to recover...
[21:24] <_Zeus_> ok thought so
[21:24] <_Zeus_> in GRUB were you booting into recovery mode?
[21:24] <MagicFalre> i am dual booting win and UB with Grap
[21:25] <_Zeus_> yes
[21:25] <_Zeus_> but when you boot up you sohuld have 4 options
[21:26] <_Zeus_> normal, recovery mode, memtest86+, and windows, correct?
[21:26] <MagicFalre> grub**
[21:27] <MagicFalre> i have generic, recovery, older v. of grub and win
[21:27] <MagicFalre> i also have last know stable boot
[21:27] <MagicFalre> i think it v2.26
[21:28] <_Zeus_> yes
[21:28] <_Zeus_> try that one
[21:28] <_Zeus_> actually scratch that
[21:28] <_Zeus_> try recovery
[21:28] <MagicFalre> i did...
[21:29] <_Zeus_> and what did it do?
[21:29] <MagicFalre> did not work, when i restarted i got a red screen with gray lines.
[21:29] <_Zeus_> oh
[21:30] <_Zeus_> try the last known one
[21:30] <MagicFalre> it froze, and i tryied last known one but it only took me to normal boot
[21:32] <MagicFalre> i think i am missing an image file...
[21:33] <_Zeus_> sry don't know what to tell you know
[21:34] <ryanpg> anyone have any information on the mesa/xorg bug that's preventing compiz from working with intel 965 chipsets?
[21:34] <_Zeus_> nope
[21:34] <ryanpg> I think this is the bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/245888 but I was hoping to find the upstream report too
[21:35] <ryanpg> ahh.. bots... thanks ubottu
[21:36] <ryanpg> ahh... bot abuse... anyway, I'm guessing it's a case of "we know - wait for a fix" but I want to be sure I've exhausted all my options :)
[21:53] <emet> you guys think 2.6.27 will make it into Intrepid?
[21:58] <TheInfinity> not really
[22:05] <joaopinto> flash outputs the sound to the pc speaker, any idea how to change output device for the flash plugin ?
[22:08] <G_009> i'd try pulseaudio if you're not already using it, joaopinto .. or blacklist pc_sp and see what happens
[22:08] <joaopinto> erm, isn't pulseaudio installed by default ?
[22:09] <joaopinto> blacklisting a device to force another device to be used does not look a good option :P
[22:09] <G_009> yes, but you still need to select it.. check your sound preferences
[22:11] <G_009> you can still undo the blacklisting.. then again pc_sp module is mostly necessary if you like the system beep sound (i find it annoying anyway)
[22:11] <joaopinto> I have pulseaudio set on the sound devices
[22:12] <joaopinto> it also happens with mplayer
[22:13] <G_009> exactly.. the workaround i found out was to blacklist pc_sp module.. that's all i got
[22:16] <G_009> you can reverse that if it does not work out
[22:16]  * G_009 burps
[22:17] <joaopinto> do you have the bug nr for this ?
[22:17] <G_009> nay
[22:17] <joaopinto> I hope someone reported it instead of just blacklisting the pc speaker :P
[22:17] <G_009> there is a launchpad bug report about it though.. i just dont have the link
[22:18] <G_009> it's also up in the forums
[22:19] <joaopinto> tks
[22:26] <crimsun_> that issue is known and being worked on.
[22:27] <crimsun_> basically, the pc speaker will be blacklisted for PulseAudio when parsing hal info.
[22:29] <joaopinto> somotime during startup/shutdown my system keeps beeping with intervals but a fixed frequence, it seems to be BIOS generated. I need to hard reset the PC
[22:29] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I thought of a way to fix set-default-card through pulseaudio: have it parse .asoundrc and respect the setting.
[22:30] <joaopinto> this is happening randomly
[22:34]  * DanaG wonders if Ubuntu will support ext4.
[22:34] <DanaG> Support as in be able to use, not as in sanction.
[22:37] <crimsun_> DanaG: ?
[22:37] <crimsun_> it already can via 'default'
[22:38] <DanaG> I don't remember, but last time I tried it, it wouldn't mount.
[22:38] <DanaG> Or something.
[22:38] <crimsun_> not until the on-disk format is stable.
[23:02] <Pici> Are there any significant issues I should be aware of before attempting an upgrade to Intrepid?
[23:04] <crimsun_> Pici: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha3
[23:05] <Pici> crimsun_: Thanks
[23:06] <Pici> Shame on me for not expecting a nice 'possible issues' page.
[23:16] <Laney> Is alpha 3 broken in vbox?
[23:16] <Laney> I just get some display corruption
[23:19] <Laney> Aha, after recreating I get bug #246067
[23:21] <Pici> Well, at least you arent the only one
[23:23] <Laney> yep
[23:23] <Laney> KVM seems to be getting further anyway
[23:46] <Overand> Hey - the wiki page /IntrepidReleaseSchedule needs a link added for Alpha 3, which i would ladly do, except it sayus 'please do not edit' =]
[23:47] <Overand> Also apparently I can't type, and I'm a liar.