[00:44] Anybody know the status of Alpha 3? [00:45] it's alpha [00:46] Erm, meaning if it's still expected to be released today. [00:47] I've been looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule every so often to see if the alpha 3 link is live. other than that i don't know w/o digging into the mailing list [00:48] Okay, thank you. [01:12] Has intrepid alpha 3 been released yet ?? [01:37] hey guys [01:38] is pulseaudio going to be in intrepid? if so will it work properly or is it gonna be left the same as in hardy? === LSD|Ninj1 is now known as LSD|Ninja [01:53] Bodsda: what's broken? [01:54] alex-weej, pulse audio, something about its config in default hardy means it doesnt allow multi programs to use sound [01:54] no, it works fine [01:54] Flash is broken [01:54] removing the damn thing seems to help [01:54] that's basically it. [01:55] no its pa not flash [01:55] no, it's flash [01:55] pa [01:55] flash [01:55] pa [01:55] flash [01:55] pa [01:55] flash [01:55] pa [01:55] flash [01:55] pa [01:55] flash [01:55] pa [01:55] if it's pulse, remove it and be done with it. [01:56] then you'll realize, flash still sucks. [01:56] chortle [01:56] flash can be made to work with pulse properly if you install libflashsupport [01:56] if the prob is flash alex-weej why do i not get sound after a clean reinstall? (no sound untill i remove pa) awalton_laptop i did ;~) [01:56] unfortunately, because flash is rubbish, it crashes more that way [01:56] Bodsda: then file some bugs, because it WORKSFORME :P [01:56] swfdec wfm. [01:57] alex-weej, BROKENFORME -- will file some bugs, cheers [01:57] cya guys [01:57] ciao [01:57] MUPPET! [02:54] thunderbird breaks for me in this morning's update ... "buffer overflow" .. am I the only one? [02:54] (morning means 30 minutes ago) [03:04] i will test in about an hour, is it just an buffer overflow issue? [03:04] sc`hardy or intrepid? [03:04] scyrma: hardy or intrepid? [03:04] gnomefreak: on intrepid [03:05] scyrma: ok ill look at it tonight or first thing in morning (i have a tv show i need to watch but its already 10pm here so we will see if i make it back [03:05] when I try to start it, I get "*** buffer overflow detected ***: /usr/lib/thunderbird/thunderbird-bin terminated" and a backtrace [03:05] oh dear. [03:05] yeah, i've got that too. [03:06] ok looks like easy fix. ill ping Alexander when i get back to find out what he did other than security update after i look at it. [03:06] ah, cheers! [03:06] gnomefreak: how? [03:07] how to fix? [03:07] i need to look at it first either in an hour or in morning [03:07] yes [03:08] strange feeling im wrong about easy fix since its most likely upstream issue but i will find out [03:08] ok gone for an hour see you than [03:18] * scyrma wonders what's that Thursday night 10pm tv show [03:19] * ethana2 is waiting anxiously for alpha 3 [03:27] I don't think I'll stay up tonight waiting for it this time though [03:27] in the past, that hasn't gone too well at all [03:28] by the way, I have an nVidia geforce 8400m gs [03:28] if i install intrepid beside hardy, will it have 3d acceleration? [03:29] ethana2: on a newer card like that it should, the drivers aren't in the panel yet afaik but you can still install them through synaptic [03:37] Hobbsee: scyrma is this on IMAP or POP3? [03:37] imap [03:37] i was testing our ~qa and didnt see it with pop [03:38] testing official tbirf now [03:38] tbird [03:38] I've got both imap and pop, three accounts active [03:38] im betting its due to IMAP [03:38] scyrma: can you turn off IMAP accounts (disable atleast) [03:39] scyrma: or use a new profile by renaming ~/.mozilla-thunderbird and than start thunderbird and set up one pop3 account [03:39] mines not opening :( [03:40] scyrma: dont no need to do that [03:40] what the hell did he change [03:40] doesn't work for me either [03:40] the ~qa package works [03:40] ..where can I get it? :) [03:40] (just joking) [03:40] and thats testing for the official package so i would love to know what alexander did [03:41] scyrma: one of our PPAs if you give me a minute ill get it for you but you will have to downgrade to it than pin the official tbird [03:49] * scyrma found the qa package :) [03:51] I removed and purged the old thunderbird package, installed the ~qa one, and I still get the buffer overflow [03:54] ...even with a blank ~/.mozilla-thunderbird [03:55] ah ok its not thunderbird than [03:55] it was working this afternoon now its not [03:56] gine me a few minutes im gonna test on hardy [03:57] I also removed enigmail and locales packages, in case it changes something .. [03:57] it wont [03:57] need to find out what package is causing this [03:57] brb [03:57] ok [04:01] ill be back smoke and phone [04:04] I actually use two IMAP accounts with no issues. [04:04] What's the issue you're having? [04:05] buffer overflow, on startup ... [04:08] Aah. [04:08] Odd. [04:09] sigh. [04:09] wait, no, maybe pidgin didn't explode [04:23] tbird 2.0.0.16 works on hardy [04:24] so its caused by another app just not sure if its libc6 or the other package (name escapes me [04:25] it hasnt been set up yet during updates [04:32] it is definatly something other than tbird causing that as its not the only package that does it [04:33] hEH, now Flash is spamming my desktop with random windows in the sizes and shapes of the banner ads that should be on the page. [04:33] Great... and closing the window just killed my Firefox session. [04:33] yep works fine in Hardy [04:33] Thanks a pantsload, Adobe! [04:34] Isn't flash "Wonderful"? [04:36] * burner despises flash but loves its content [04:36] go moonlight!! ?? ;) [04:37] DanaG: Is that with flashplugin-nonfree, or swfdec, or whatever? [04:37] Also, Go Moonlight! [04:37] Kill that flash dead! [04:38] * burner wonders if open sourced app built behind Microsoft is really that much better [04:38] nonfree. [04:39] Hm. I thought that was a swfdec problem, since gnash doesn't suffer from it. [04:40] anyone have synergy working in intrepid? [04:40] i'm not sure what killed it, but I upgraded to hardy last night and I can't connect [04:40] s/hardy/intrepid/g :) [04:40] gnomefreak: what other packages are doing the buffer overflow thing? [04:40] ok tbird bug will be looked into tomorow [04:41] scyrma: not sure yet i will know more tomorrow [04:41] cool, thanks [04:41] but it was working until updates after 1pm here [04:41] Oh yeah, I am also using nspluginwrapper. [04:41] do we have any idea what the timeline for Thunderbird 3.0 is? I've been using the nightlies and it's just so much better! [04:41] Otherwise... it'd be taking down Firefox about, oh, every 3 web pages. [04:41] oh hey, is intrepid going to ship with java preinstalled, or is that a waste of disk space? [04:41] s/down Firefox/Firefox down/ [04:42] burner: what does 3.0 change? [04:42] IMAP accounts actually work with decent speed :) [04:42] fonts are rendered better [04:43] burner: does thunderburd know how to use gmail and all that without you telling it like mac mail? [04:43] ethana2: I think we're unlikely to be able to find the space to ship java. [04:43] ethana2: i think thunderbird 2 does that! [04:43] oh, sweet [04:43] ...why are we shipping evolution then? [04:44] because the time applet depends on eds ;) [04:44] thunderbird does have a special gmail entry in its wizard [04:44] ah. [04:44] eds powers a few things in java [04:44] Because Evolution is a gnome app, and tbird looks like arse? :) [04:44] er... s/java/gnome sorry, i must be sleepy or something tonight [04:44] I see [04:45] tbird is gtk [04:45] * ethana2 checks to see if his drive burns DVDs [04:45] Also, evolution does a bunch of stuff that tbird doesn't. [04:45] that makes sense [04:45] yep, it burns DVDs [04:45] tbird does contacts, tasks, and calendar with the lightning extension... though exchange support is not there [04:46] * burner notes that exchange with evolution is not usable [04:46] My apologies, I'm not a very good lurker.. I just want to know the instant alpha 3 of intrepid is out [04:47] well, the latest gnome release is already there, that's pretty exciting! I like my eject button in nautilus and my tabs and my compact view [04:47] columns in nautilus? [04:47] ethana2: topic will change, most likely. of course, you could help test alpha 3. [04:47] no... kind of like "list view" in windows [04:47] burner: should be in tbird 3 as it is a bug on mozillas bugzilla tracker [04:48] Hobbsee: what kind of testing? [04:48] ethana2: why why not grab daily ISO [04:48] gnomefreak: i'm just curious if tbird 3 is planned to get into intrepid [04:48] if you are that hard up for broken system [04:48] heh [04:48] burner: i havent decided yet [04:48] it's already broken actually [04:48] i have to send it back to dell soon [04:49] mainboard is unreliable.. i keep the hard drive though [04:49] burner: i have it on my PPA the latest snapshot was todays this morning [04:49] ethana2: to see if it works [04:49] I actually bought this with ubuntu preinstalled from dell, i hope it helps them [04:49] Hobbsee: working is always good [04:49] gnomefreak: i'd use your ppa, but it's easy to just download a .tar.gz from mozilla.org, extract it, and run it [04:49] burner: i will talk to the rest of the team and see what we think [04:49] ethana2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing#head-23b21b368030f6c1c8d2dd33a06da8cef41e0573 [04:50] burner: but you wont get updates since i am new maintainer of tbird 3 i will be releasing new snapshots every 2-3 weeks [04:50] gnomefreak: Hows TB3 looking? [04:51] Flannel: eh its not too bad atm but it isnt ready for xulrunner yet once that happens its gonna change alot [04:51] gnomefreak: in my tbird nightly, i hit, help, check for updates and it gets the next days tbird and automatically restarts for me :) it's a bit scary they call it "shredder" [04:51] tbird 3 WILL have lightning with it [04:51] gnomefreak: Really? [04:51] sweet [04:51] Flannel: yes [04:51] * Flannel didn't think Lightning was mature [04:52] it's sweet with my google calendar [04:52] we will be carrying sunbird still [04:53] Flannel: it is but we are waiting for 1.0 before adding it to tbird 3 as 1.0 will have massive changes [04:53] atleast that is what we/they were thinking about [04:59] I won't use Evolution as long as it doesn't let you separate POP accounts... and as long as it doesn't let you rename folders. [04:59] Where do I go to get tbird 3? [05:00] And are there prebuilt Windows versions? [05:00] I share a profile between Windows and Linux. [05:01] DanaG: my PPA [05:01] * Flannel wonders why anyone doesn't use getmail/fetchmail for fetching. [05:02] and it will sync with your tbird set up now and will have profile ~/.thunderbird [05:02] DanaG: http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/early_releases/ [05:03] DanaG: be warned i havent had a chance to test this latest build [05:04] Flannel: test with our builds https://edge.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/+archive that way we can fix bugs [05:05] gnomefreak: DanaG was asking for a windows version [05:05] oh [05:05] * Flannel still hasn't upgraded to Hardy from Dapper. [05:06] ftp.mozilla.org is where i get windows versions [05:06] of all mozilla apps except prism and other xulrunner apps [05:06] Which means you're all wondering why I'm here! so I'll tell you: I'm doing a speech at a LUG soon, and they want to learn about some new/exciting features planned for intrepid. Anyone know of a good list (or rattle off a couple of good ones)? [05:07] I don't quite like dailies; I'd rather have specific alphas. [05:10] DanaG: ftp.mozilla.org has dailys and alphas [05:10] ok ill be back [05:30] tbird-3.0 is also broken currently... same problem with tbird-2 [05:33] sosriqwe: yes because its not thunderbird that is causing it [05:33] i have a feeling it was one of the gnome libs [05:33] but i will know more tomorrow [05:33] i see.. probably.. [05:35] i will be running back trace tomorrow to find out exactly what package is causing it but i have found out it is not tbird for a fact [05:36] hi all.. is alpha-3 iso ready for download?? i want to download it at work [05:37] *** buffer overflow detected ***: /usr/lib/thunderbird-3.0a2pre/thunderbird-bin terminated [05:37] yay. [05:37] =þ [05:37] alpha-3 ? [05:38] gluer: Are the release notes up? If not, then no. If yes, then yes. [05:38] My thunderbird worked until the latest update. [05:38] bugger.... i wanna download at work [05:38] danag: my firefox went all screwy after some recent updates [05:39] dang mirrors don [05:39] don't keep old versions. [05:39] DanaG, it is a known issue.. [05:39] Seriously, the mirrors should keep around at least one old version. [05:39] And make it appear in aptitude and such. [05:40] Time to manually download the old-version debs. Ugh. [05:41] as you are using alha software, these are expected things to happen... [05:42] DanaG: downgrading tbird will not fix the problem [05:42] ive been there with 2.0.0.16~qa and 2.0.0.14 [05:43] http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/thunderbird/ [05:43] hmm, I'll still try it . [05:43] ok im gone ill find problem adn fix it tomorrow i hope if not i have a long weekend ahead of me [05:43] night [05:44] Aah, it worked until the last set of upgrades I installed... [05:44] which included some gvfs changes. [05:45] gnomefreak, good luck & bye [05:45] Odd... for me, downgrading just thunderbird and thunderbird-gnome-support fixed it. [05:46] DanaG: that is a very very good chance that is what caused it but its too late for me to work on it tonight, im also gonna yell at alexander [05:46] DanaG: version? [05:46] I actually didn't have to downgrade gvfs to fix it. [05:46] I went to 2.0.0.14-ubuntu2 (or whatever's the last 14 on the mirror). [05:47] Preparing to replace libgvfscommon0 0.99.1-0ubuntu3 (using .../libgvfscommon0_0.99.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ... [05:47] Unpacking replacement libgvfscommon0 . [05:47] DanaG: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/nightly/latest-trunk/thunderbird-3.0a2pre.en-US.linux-i686.tar.bz2 for the nightly [05:47] Same for gvfs-backends, gvfs, gvfs-fuse. [05:54] Eeh, no point to it right now, while it's overflowing. [05:56] its not gvfs [05:56] yay, deskbar-applet has an arrow again. [05:56] Yeah, I looked in the backtrace; no gvfs. [05:56] night [05:56] Good night. [05:56] If anyone else gets the issue, I can just tell them to reinstall the last "14" version. [05:57] At least, that fixed it for me. [05:57] i will see what i can do tomorrow i dont have much else to do since its friday ;) [05:59] Downgrade isn't a real fix, it's just a way to avoid the breakage for now. [06:00] One way I keep myself out of some breakage: I always try to wait until changelogs are available before installing corresponding updates. [06:00] That way, I stay one update cycle behind, and have a chance to watch this channel for complaints and such. [06:15] !find style.desktop [06:16] File style.desktop found in kcontrol, kdebase-workspace-data, kdevelop [06:16] yay. [06:16] I wish there were a way to use my Gnome color settings in KDE apps. [06:24] * Hobbsee smashes flash to pieces. [06:24] * Hobbsee smashes websites that have their menus as flash, to pieces. [06:26] at least restore previous session works well in case of a session crash with multiple tabs [06:28] that it does. [06:47] wtf? can't install kcontrol. [06:48] depemnddepends on kdebase-data 3.5.10 (real version); not available. [06:48] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/human-icon-theme/+bug/144957 [06:48] Launchpad bug 144957 in human-icon-theme "KDE Human and Tangerine icons not complete" [Low,Confirmed] [06:48] that too. [06:53] odd, some hardy-proposed updates are newer than intrepid versions. [07:11] hmm.. yeah, kde isn't in a nice state in intrepid [07:11] kde and gnome get a unified theme with intrepid right? [07:12] with kde, you can force gtk app to use a similar ("kde colors") look .. dunno if the same is possible in gnome [07:13] i'd love to have a non-frankenstein looking functional desktop with 8.10 [07:13] the best apps are always scattered across both DE's [07:14] amarok, firefox, koffice, inkscape, gnome panel, dolphin.. [07:33] Perhaps someone knows: Will splashy substitute usplash with Ubuntu 8.10? === fdd-01 is now known as fdd [07:47] ok looks like it won't make it before kernel 2.6.27 :/ [07:50] plop [07:59] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-3/ [08:04] jbroome: it says daily [08:04] but i'll check the other things too [08:06] * ethana2 torrents [08:07] Dolphin... sucks. [08:07] Try dragging column headers around to re-order them... [08:08] :P [08:08] zerwas: Does splashy now do the things that it didn't do when we first chose to write usplash? (Such as work on !IA32, not break resume-from-suspend, etc) [08:08] no seeders on the torrent, blast [08:09] splashy also looked bad when you hit f2, last time I tried it. [08:09] i'll just get the .iso the regular way i guess [08:09] It got into an odd half-graphical state. [08:09] And flickery, too. [08:12] DanaG: that thing jbroome posted is /the/ alpha 3, right? [08:12] Okay, does not sound good. [08:12] i suppose you don't bother with fanfare until stable releases ;) [08:13] ethana2: It's not alpha 3 until it's got some release notes. [08:13] oh. [08:13] i'm downloading the .iso-- [08:14] whatever, it'll be virtualized anyway [08:15] Soft! [08:16] * DanaG wishes there were a qt-gtk engine to wrap QT apps under Gnome. [08:17] There is. [08:17] We've covered this :) [08:18] It's probably not packaged yet, though. [08:18] RAOF: what is it? [08:18] The GTK backend for QT. [08:18] I'm willing to compile such a thing; where can I find it? [08:18] QT does cross-platform right :) [08:25] Gar. Can't find it again. [08:33] DanaG: http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2008/05/22/qgtkstyle-makes-kde-apps-fit-in-with-gnome [08:34] ♡♥♡♥ yay. [08:34] At last! [08:34] I've been wanting that sort of thing for ages. [08:35] Dang, for QT 4... and virtualbox uses QT 3. :( [08:35] And amarok for kde4 isn't as good as amarok for kde3, right now. [08:36] HEh, that would be funny: qt4 app -> this thingy -> gtk api -> gtk-qt-engine [08:38] sweet! [08:39] But according to the blog, it's not possible. [08:39] finally a workaround to the VMware login problem has been posted on the Ubuntu pages [08:39] http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/05/13/introducing-qgtkstyle/ [08:39] I find it quite hard to search Launchpad but now that I saw this I can finally try the new version out [08:46] DanaG: thanks for that link, I gotta check that out when I get home. It would be great to be able to use KDE apps without having the awful Qt look in GNOME [08:46] absolutely! [08:47] i think ubuntu should ship with that preinstalled ;) [08:48] alpha 3 is out... [08:48] Thank RAOF first, though. [08:48] Hobbsee: I'm downloading it right now, gonna install in a VM [08:48] ethana2: yeah [08:48] But VirtualBox is QT3.... [08:48] and the good version of Amarok is qt3. [09:09] !date [09:09] Sorry, I don't know anything about date [09:09] er [09:09] Fri Jul 25 01:09:23 PDT 2008 === DarkOrb|zZz is now known as DarkOrb [09:12] @date [09:12] bah [09:12] !now [09:13] Sorry, I don't know anything about now [09:15] pidgin plugin. exec [-o] , runs the command. If the -o flag is used then output is sent to thecurrent conversation; otherwise it is printed to the current text box. [09:27] Hobbsee: You're after /exec date, if you're sensibly using irssi :) [09:28] or /exec -o, if using the pidgin plugin. [09:28] RAOF: bleck. [09:29] Fri Jul 25 18:29:05 EST 2008 [09:30] EST? What's E, then? Can't be east coast of USA. [09:30] Fri Jul 25 01:30:46 PDT 2008 [09:30] for me. [09:34] DanaG: did you run into problem? [09:34] i mean cause of tbird? [09:35] Hmm, downgrading Thunderbird fixed the crashing, so that's all that matters to me for now. [09:37] lol [09:38] i slept less than 3 hours and i work til someone if not myself figure it out === gnomefreak changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Welcome to the home of the Intrepid Ibex, the code name for the next release of Ubuntu due out in October. For more info, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex Intrepid is ALPHA software, and we do NOT recommend users upgrade at this time. Only developers comfortable with very significant instability and recovering from systems which have suffered up to total system failure should consider running Intrepid for now. Thunderbird is broken, [09:41] oh well works for me :) [09:41] That's a bit too truncated. [09:41] there was more just too long [09:41] Perhaps shorten it to something more like, [09:42] The breakage of the day is: Thunderbird. [09:42] Or something like that. [09:42] Along with a note not to upgrade to the "16" version. [09:44] i think we found the problem [09:49] fix has been uploaded ;) atleast it should fix it [09:50] * gnomefreak wonders if i should fix it locally or not === gnomefreak changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Welcome to the home of the Intrepid Ibex, the code name for the next release of Ubuntu due out in October. For more info, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex Intrepid is ALPHA software, and we do NOT recommend users upgrade at this time. Only developers comfortable with recovering system from total system failure should use it. Thunderbird is broken and the fix has been pushed, it should hit a repo near you soon. [10:10] Desktop CDs, FINALLY! :D [10:11] * LSD|Ninja just remembered he's out of blank media :( [10:13] LSD|Ninja: good luck with them [10:13] LSD|Ninja: there is a reason they are just surfacing [10:14] meh, I doubt they can be much worse than the alternate CDs === baron1984` is now known as TheAlmightyCthul === TheAlmightyCthul is now known as AlmightyCthulhu [10:42] uhhhm, why am I banned in #ubuntuforums ? [10:56] AlmightyCthulhu: ask in #ubuntu-ops or ping one of the ops please keep it out of the channels other than those [11:31] anybody here running intrepid in vmware === Sakarias_ is now known as Sakarias [12:02] hello people, I am running mac osx running vmware fusion with intrepid alpha installed (kubuntu), the mouse does not work at all [12:03] sorry, i will clarify, i mean it does not move from the bottom right corner of the screen [12:03] clicks work [12:03] anybody have any ideas [12:04] try installing the guest tools or wahtevr it's called [12:04] i'm not too sure about it, but it's worth a try [12:04] never used vmware fusion before [12:04] done that [12:04] you mean it stays at the bottom right corner of the vm's screen? [12:04] what dyou mean clicks work [12:04] yes [12:04] don't clicks depend on the pointer position [12:05] clicks, as in i can right click, it shows the ADD PANEL etc menu [12:05] ah [12:05] hyperair: ??? [12:05] so you can click but only at the bottom right of the screen? [12:05] how very strange [12:05] hyperair: thats it [12:07] its using the vmmouse driver [12:07] basically wanted to investigate the intrepid release, but if its futile I dont want to waste time on it until it goes to at least RC1 [12:07] i'm running 8.04 everywhere else [12:08] but I've got some QT apps i want future proofed [12:08] heh [12:08] i usually run the alphas [12:08] i mean i did on my only machine [12:08] with gutsy and hardy [12:08] hyperair: yes, I have numerous times in the past [12:08] but intrepid's just... [12:08] T_T [12:09] its what? [12:09] erm [12:09] broken beyond words [12:09] undescribably broken? [12:09] or something along that line [12:09] ok, no worries I'm gonna discard it at this stage then [12:09] mmhm [12:10] considering archlinux is getting on my nerves maybe i should reinstall ubuntu [12:10] ewww i hate archlinux [12:11] what does the kernel refer to itself as when given a challenge by the BIOS? [12:11] is it still Microsoft Windows NT? [12:12] what the hell was that all about [12:26] guys please move non intrepid topics to #ubuntu-offtopic [13:32] hey. to save myself some trouble: the alpha3 desktop CD works just fine, right? or should i prefer the alternate disk? (setting up a devel box in virtualbox) [14:42]