=== zerwas_ is now known as zerwas | ||
=== zerwas_ is now known as zerwas | ||
pwnguin | heh | 03:12 |
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pwnguin | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Newsplash | 03:12 |
zerwas | heh | 03:29 |
zerwas | MadsRH's idea is by far the coolest | 03:29 |
zerwas | pwnguin, don't you think so too? | 03:30 |
DanaG | where what? I entered whatever conversation that was, way late. | 03:41 |
zerwas | i would love to make MadsRH idea real if i would know anything about the usplash things | 03:44 |
zerwas | looks like C knowledge is needed :( | 03:46 |
DanaG | can't say I know who MadRH is. | 04:02 |
pwnguin | zerwas: i do know C ;) | 06:51 |
zerwas | pwnguin, do it, do it! :> | 06:52 |
zerwas | with 8.10 i will think of you *every* time i boot my ubuntu :-P | 06:52 |
pwnguin | so which one was madRH? | 06:53 |
pwnguin | oh, that'll be a bit tricky | 06:53 |
pwnguin | afaik, there are some pretty brutal usplash limitations | 06:55 |
DanaG | Oh hey, if you want to see something random, try out any of the SuSE or OpenSUSE (even as far back as 9.3, I think) CDs... | 06:58 |
DanaG | boot it multiple times, and sometimes you'll get penguins. | 06:58 |
DanaG | And hit F8 and you'll get pixels marching around to make the chamelon. | 06:58 |
pwnguin | so what's the feeling on usplash vs splashy? | 07:12 |
zerwas | mh, will splashy substitute usplash with Ubuntu 8.10? (hope so) | 07:31 |
zerwas | pwnguin, i would love to help you with this where i can (like, packaging ore something that does not require coding) | 07:32 |
pwnguin | do you really package without coding? | 07:38 |
zerwas | tried a bit | 07:40 |
zerwas | ;) | 07:40 |
pwnguin | heh, if you really wanna help, collect boot splash videos from various OS's | 07:43 |
zerwas | pwnguin, okay, i have XP, Mac OS X 10.4, OpenSUSE 11 for the beginning. how would that help? | 07:45 |
DanaG | Hmm, opensuse 11 sucks. | 07:46 |
DanaG | Look at earlier ones. | 07:46 |
zerwas | okay, just read that Splashy won't make it before Kernel 2.6.27 :-( | 07:47 |
* DanaG wants fbsplash! | 07:48 | |
pwnguin | what? | 07:49 |
pwnguin | i thought splashy was a userspace thing | 07:49 |
DanaG | google it -- it gives nifty console backgrounds. | 07:49 |
pwnguin | i know about fbsplash | 07:49 |
zerwas | pwnguin, i thought so too, but on ubuntuforums.org they say: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=477426&page=24 | 07:50 |
DanaG | The countdown thingy on SuSE is nifty.... the circle in grub. | 07:51 |
pwnguin | oh, well if ubuntuforums says its true, then it must be false | 07:52 |
DanaG | heh, penguins. | 07:52 |
DanaG | http://www.pro-linux.de/berichte/jpgs/suse10/suse10-boot.jpg | 07:52 |
zerwas | have to write exam now | 07:53 |
pwnguin | oh | 07:53 |
pwnguin | zerwas: its about mode switching | 07:54 |
pwnguin | in kernel | 07:54 |
zerwas | pwnguin, huh? they are not talking about splashy? you are sure? | 07:54 |
zerwas | go one page backward | 07:54 |
pwnguin | they're talking about seemless mode switching in fedora | 07:57 |
pwnguin | redhat pays the most prolific kernel hacker to bring that kinda stuff into rawhide | 07:57 |
DanaG | Too bad I'll never be able to get native-res framebuffer on my current laptop. | 07:57 |
pwnguin | you know how there's a black screen between switching modes? the idea is to eliminate that | 07:57 |
pwnguin | and go straight from bootsplash to gdm | 07:58 |
pwnguin | DanaG: never? | 07:58 |
DanaG | Well, as long as nvidiafb doesn't get along with nvidia binaries... | 08:00 |
DanaG | Well, once nouveau gets good, then maybe it'll be possible. | 08:01 |
DanaG | My VESA BIOS does not have even any right-aspect-ratio modes... except for 640x400 (which is widescreen). | 08:01 |
DanaG | http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/perfect_setup_suse9_3/images/15.jpg | 08:06 |
DanaG | that has a nifty spinny thing. | 08:06 |
pwnguin | ive used nouveau several times | 08:07 |
pwnguin | works okay for both my cards | 08:07 |
pwnguin | screenshots are worthless; we're after animations ;) | 08:08 |
DanaG | Anyway, the dots around the chameleon head change color, kinda' like the spinner in Firefox. | 08:08 |
davmor2 | morning people. My blog post about how non-devs can contribute seems to of attracted an artist do I just need to point them here or are there some wiki pages or what? | 08:41 |
davmor2 | no probs found the wiki section in the end and passed it on :) | 08:46 |
thorwil | oops: http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/images/hrf/home_brand2.gif | 12:37 |
db92 | pst, im looking for ubuntu hardy covers for a dvd case, know of any in existence? :/ ive been looking for a while but i cant find any | 14:17 |
zerwas | pwnguin, did you have a look at the usplash theming thing? | 21:47 |
pwnguin | i browsed the source a bit | 21:51 |
pwnguin | its kinda wierd | 21:51 |
pwnguin | probably because usplash runs at boot, where you might not have the full runtime libraries available | 21:52 |
zerwas | ye that's what i also thought | 21:52 |
pwnguin | basically, there's a bunch of functions in the libusplash | 21:52 |
zerwas | do you think the idea we saw in the wiki is possible? | 21:52 |
pwnguin | well, i think anything is possible | 21:52 |
pwnguin | how much of usplash would be left I can't say | 21:52 |
pwnguin | there's a bit of wierd OO there | 21:53 |
zerwas | hm | 21:53 |
pwnguin | where if your theme object has functions, they override the defaults | 21:53 |
pwnguin | but its all in C | 21:54 |
* _MMA_ is going to look at using Splashy for Studio. Easier to theme. | 21:55 | |
pwnguin | you could probably write your own animation functions rather than use the built in bar render | 21:55 |
pwnguin | i read splashy uses XML | 21:55 |
pwnguin | so thats also kinda ~~ | 21:55 |
_MMA_ | No worse that GDM. | 21:55 |
pwnguin | if they havent thought of your idea, i imagine you're SoL | 21:56 |
zerwas | better than C :-P | 21:56 |
pwnguin | gdm is bad | 21:56 |
_MMA_ | It's all relative. | 21:56 |
_MMA_ | Anything I can look at and read is fine for me. | 21:56 |
pwnguin | but the layout is fairly restrictive, if i recall | 21:57 |
zerwas | But splashy is no alternative yet because it won't find it's way into intrepid as default | 21:57 |
pwnguin | zerwas: why not? | 21:57 |
_MMA_ | zerwas: I can do what I want with Studio. ;) | 21:57 |
_MMA_ | Fedora is also looking at Splashy. | 21:59 |
_MMA_ | Or writing something from scratch. | 21:59 |
zerwas | pwnguin, hm due to the fact that kernel 2.6.27 won't be in intrepid? | 21:59 |
pwnguin | jesus | 22:00 |
pwnguin | do we have to go through that again? | 22:00 |
pwnguin | why does usplash depend on 2.6.27? | 22:00 |
_MMA_ | ? | 22:00 |
_MMA_ | s/usplash/splashy ? | 22:01 |
pwnguin | yes | 22:01 |
pwnguin | sorry | 22:01 |
_MMA_ | Who says Splashy depends on any kernel? Link? | 22:01 |
pwnguin | _MMA_: check the irclogs for this channel | 22:03 |
pwnguin | from like yesterday | 22:03 |
_MMA_ | You know the crackheads in here. | 22:03 |
_MMA_ | Last mention of "splashy" I have in here is from April. | 22:04 |
pwnguin | thats why we have irclogs.ubuntu.com ;) | 22:05 |
_MMA_ | So... link? | 22:05 |
zerwas | i just read it here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=477426&page=24 | 22:05 |
_MMA_ | And it better be from someone with a shred of credibility. | 22:06 |
pwnguin | http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/07/25/%23ubuntu-artwork.html | 22:06 |
zerwas | sorry, i was busy making tea | 22:06 |
_MMA_ | pwnguin: Ahh... Nice. New modsetting options. | 22:09 |
_MMA_ | Cool. | 22:09 |
pwnguin | eventually | 22:10 |
zerwas | i also asked about intrepid+splashy-by-default in #ubuntu+1 and got: "RAOF Does splashy now do the things that it didn't do when we first chose to write usplash? (Such as work on !IA32, not break resume-from-suspend, etc)" | 22:10 |
pwnguin | heh | 22:10 |
pwnguin | now those are valid reasons | 22:10 |
pwnguin | and i kinda wish there was a good way to document these sorts of blockers | 22:11 |
_MMA_ | Yep. All valid reasons. But you can bet if RH is paying someone to do it it gonna work out for everyone. | 22:12 |
zerwas | The question is if it will be finished til feature freeze for intrepid | 22:14 |
pwnguin | _MMA_: packagekit is done by a redhat hire... | 22:15 |
_MMA_ | zerwas: Who's that question for? If it's not, it's not. Simple. Usplash 'till Splashy is ready. Simple. | 22:16 |
pwnguin | _MMA_: well, if you want to write a boot theme for intrepid it matters | 22:16 |
pwnguin | if you want to write a boot theme for splashy, maybe not | 22:17 |
_MMA_ | Ok. I just see it as an odd question. For the general public, sure. It's a bummer. For Ubuntu... oh well. :) | 22:18 |
pwnguin | well, i think you have that backwards | 22:18 |
pwnguin | the general public, who cares | 22:18 |
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pwnguin | for the guy writing a theme he wants to see in ubuntu and get recognition for, its important | 22:18 |
_MMA_ | Thats the general public. | 22:19 |
_MMA_ | There's only 2 people "the guy". | 22:19 |
_MMA_ | Mark and Ken. | 22:19 |
pwnguin | what? | 22:19 |
_MMA_ | *people who can be.. | 22:19 |
pwnguin | maybe I misunderstood something fundamental to the artwork team | 22:20 |
pwnguin | Mark and Ken are Ubuntu and the rest of us can deal? | 22:21 |
_MMA_ | As far as the art goes, yes. To a degree. Since they are ultimately the ones who decide what's default. | 22:22 |
pwnguin | cuz if that's how it is, i got other stuff I can do; patch up cellwriter or file some wacom bugs with upstream | 22:22 |
pwnguin | sure, they're the vote on default, but they can't make splashy work by sheer force of will | 22:23 |
pwnguin | anyways, this is coming down to silly semantics | 22:24 |
_MMA_ | No. Im saying if its not ready for intrepid, they aren't sweating it. | 22:24 |
_MMA_ | Whereas the "general public" will be pissed its not in Intrepid. | 22:24 |
pwnguin | your false dictomy of "general public" versus "ubuntu" needs a third category | 22:24 |
_MMA_ | For you it might. | 22:25 |
_MMA_ | If something simply isnt ready, nobody who has power to put things in by default is losing sleep. | 22:26 |
zerwas | don't forget that mark just has said how really important the look of ubuntu is and the task is now to even beat apples art | 22:27 |
_MMA_ | And whether Spashy is ready for default is the issue. If its not, it's unimportant to Mark and Ken. | 22:27 |
pwnguin | I doubt that; if some genius decides to write an awesome splashy theme, having to veto it because awesome hardware support trumps awesome art will be a tough choice | 22:28 |
_MMA_ | hahahaha Don't get me started on that. :P | 22:28 |
* DanaG can't even get native-resolution framebuffer. | 22:28 | |
DanaG | How do you tell usplash to use the fake-widescreen theme instead of the 4:3 theme? | 22:28 |
_MMA_ | pwnguin: A genius themer can do all they want. If the underlying tech isnt ready, it matters not. | 22:29 |
DanaG | If my framebuffer is 1024x768 stretched to widescreen.... it makes circular things non-circular. | 22:29 |
_MMA_ | DanaG: AFAIK it won't support anything but 4:3 atm. | 22:29 |
pwnguin | granted, compiz was pressed into service a bit early | 22:29 |
* _MMA_ agrees. | 22:29 | |
DanaG | I know, but there are pre-squished fake-widescreen usplash themes... | 22:30 |
pwnguin | but i thought we had safeguards in place to make sure compiz didn't break things that used to work? | 22:30 |
DanaG | and I just don't know how to force usplash to use them. | 22:30 |
_MMA_ | DanaG: Lemmie see if I can find something for you. 1 sec. | 22:31 |
_MMA_ | http://www.getdeb.net/app.php?name=usplash-switcher | 22:31 |
DanaG | I've currently set usplash.conf for 1024x853, which is 1024 * (4/3 ) / (16/10) | 22:31 |
_MMA_ | It's on GetDeb but the original Usplash creator wrote that tool. | 22:32 |
DanaG | Well, the issue is, it's not a different .so file; it's a different resolution part in the same .so theme. | 22:34 |
_MMA_ | DanaG: Searching the art list should also show you the manual commands that the app invokes. | 22:34 |
_MMA_ | Well what is the resolution you're trying to use? | 22:35 |
_MMA_ | Your FB also has to support it. | 22:35 |
_MMA_ | Mine wont do over 1024x768 vga=792 | 22:35 |
DanaG | The point is this: native res is widescreen (1440x900), but the highest res VESA mode is 1024x768.... and I can't turn off stretching. | 22:36 |
DanaG | So, I need to force usplash to anti-stretch the thing, so it'll look correct when stretched. | 22:36 |
_MMA_ | I dont think that's possible unless you edit the source theme and recompile. | 22:37 |
DanaG | The only true widescreen framebuffer mode I have.... is 640x400. | 22:37 |
_MMA_ | There was talk of making usplash-theme-ubuntu-widescreen packages to get around all this crazyness. | 22:37 |
_MMA_ | But even that would be a manual thing after install. | 22:38 |
DanaG | Same with my math hack. | 22:38 |
DanaG | Pre-stretch it vertically so it looks correct when stretched horizontally. | 22:38 |
* DanaG hopes ATI 3-series cards will support native-res framebuffer... either through VBE modes, or through radeonfb. | 22:39 | |
_MMA_ | Later people. Time for the fam. | 22:45 |
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