/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/07/25/#ubuntu-artwork.txt

=== zerwas_ is now known as zerwas
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pwnguinheh03:12
pwnguinhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Newsplash03:12
zerwasheh03:29
zerwasMadsRH's idea is by far the coolest03:29
zerwaspwnguin, don't you think so too?03:30
DanaGwhere what?  I entered whatever conversation that was, way late.03:41
zerwasi would love to make MadsRH idea real if i would know anything about the usplash things03:44
zerwaslooks like C knowledge is needed :(03:46
DanaGcan't say I know who MadRH is.04:02
pwnguinzerwas: i do know C ;)06:51
zerwaspwnguin, do it, do it! :>06:52
zerwaswith 8.10 i will think of you *every* time i boot my ubuntu :-P06:52
pwnguinso which one was madRH?06:53
pwnguinoh, that'll be a bit tricky06:53
pwnguinafaik, there are some pretty brutal usplash limitations06:55
DanaGOh hey, if you want to see something random, try out any of the SuSE or OpenSUSE (even as far back as 9.3, I think) CDs...06:58
DanaGboot it multiple times, and sometimes you'll get penguins.06:58
DanaGAnd hit F8 and you'll get pixels marching around to make the chamelon.06:58
pwnguinso what's the feeling on usplash vs splashy?07:12
zerwasmh, will splashy substitute usplash with Ubuntu 8.10? (hope so)07:31
zerwaspwnguin, i would love to help you with this where i can (like, packaging ore something that does not require coding)07:32
pwnguindo you really package without coding?07:38
zerwastried a bit07:40
zerwas;)07:40
pwnguinheh, if you really wanna help, collect boot splash videos from various OS's07:43
zerwaspwnguin, okay, i have XP, Mac OS X 10.4, OpenSUSE 11 for the beginning. how would that help?07:45
DanaGHmm, opensuse 11 sucks.07:46
DanaGLook at earlier ones.07:46
zerwasokay, just read that Splashy won't make it before Kernel 2.6.27 :-(07:47
* DanaG wants fbsplash!07:48
pwnguinwhat?07:49
pwnguini thought splashy was a userspace thing07:49
DanaGgoogle it -- it gives nifty console backgrounds.07:49
pwnguini know about fbsplash07:49
zerwaspwnguin, i thought so too, but on ubuntuforums.org they say: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=477426&page=2407:50
DanaGThe countdown thingy on SuSE is nifty.... the circle in grub.07:51
pwnguinoh, well if ubuntuforums says its true, then it must be false07:52
DanaGheh, penguins.07:52
DanaGhttp://www.pro-linux.de/berichte/jpgs/suse10/suse10-boot.jpg07:52
zerwashave to write exam now07:53
pwnguinoh07:53
pwnguinzerwas: its about mode switching07:54
pwnguinin kernel07:54
zerwaspwnguin, huh? they are not talking about splashy? you are sure?07:54
zerwasgo one page backward07:54
pwnguinthey're talking about seemless mode switching in fedora07:57
pwnguinredhat pays the most prolific kernel hacker to bring that kinda stuff into rawhide07:57
DanaGToo bad I'll never be able to get native-res framebuffer on my current laptop.07:57
pwnguinyou know how there's a black screen between switching modes? the idea is to eliminate that07:57
pwnguinand go straight from bootsplash to gdm07:58
pwnguinDanaG: never?07:58
DanaGWell, as long as nvidiafb doesn't get along with nvidia binaries...08:00
DanaGWell, once nouveau gets good, then maybe it'll be possible.08:01
DanaGMy VESA BIOS does not have even any right-aspect-ratio modes... except for 640x400 (which is widescreen).08:01
DanaGhttp://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/perfect_setup_suse9_3/images/15.jpg08:06
DanaGthat has a nifty spinny thing.08:06
pwnguinive used nouveau several times08:07
pwnguinworks okay for both my cards08:07
pwnguinscreenshots are worthless; we're after animations ;)08:08
DanaGAnyway, the dots around the chameleon head change color, kinda' like the spinner in Firefox.08:08
davmor2morning people.  My blog post about how non-devs can contribute seems to of attracted an artist do I just need to point them here or are there some wiki pages or what?08:41
davmor2no probs found the wiki section in the end and passed it on :)08:46
thorwiloops: http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/images/hrf/home_brand2.gif12:37
db92pst, im looking for ubuntu hardy covers for a dvd case, know of any in existence? :/ ive been looking for a while but i cant find any14:17
zerwaspwnguin, did you have a look at the usplash theming thing?21:47
pwnguini browsed the source a bit21:51
pwnguinits kinda wierd21:51
pwnguinprobably because usplash runs at boot, where you might not have the full runtime libraries available21:52
zerwasye that's what i also thought21:52
pwnguinbasically, there's a bunch of functions in the libusplash21:52
zerwasdo you think the idea we saw in the wiki is possible?21:52
pwnguinwell, i think anything is possible21:52
pwnguinhow much of usplash would be left I can't say21:52
pwnguinthere's a bit of wierd OO there21:53
zerwashm21:53
pwnguinwhere if your theme object has functions, they override the defaults21:53
pwnguinbut its all in C21:54
* _MMA_ is going to look at using Splashy for Studio. Easier to theme.21:55
pwnguinyou could probably write your own animation functions rather than use the built in bar render21:55
pwnguini read splashy uses XML21:55
pwnguinso thats also kinda ~~21:55
_MMA_No worse that GDM.21:55
pwnguinif they havent thought of your idea, i imagine you're SoL21:56
zerwasbetter than C :-P21:56
pwnguingdm is bad21:56
_MMA_It's all relative.21:56
_MMA_Anything I can look at and read is fine for me.21:56
pwnguinbut the layout is fairly restrictive, if i recall21:57
zerwasBut splashy is no alternative yet because it won't find it's way into intrepid as default21:57
pwnguinzerwas: why not?21:57
_MMA_zerwas: I can do what I want with Studio. ;)21:57
_MMA_Fedora is also looking at Splashy.21:59
_MMA_Or writing something from scratch.21:59
zerwaspwnguin, hm due to the fact that kernel 2.6.27 won't be in intrepid?21:59
pwnguinjesus22:00
pwnguindo we have to go through that again?22:00
pwnguinwhy does usplash depend on 2.6.27?22:00
_MMA_?22:00
_MMA_s/usplash/splashy ?22:01
pwnguinyes22:01
pwnguinsorry22:01
_MMA_Who says Splashy depends on any kernel? Link?22:01
pwnguin_MMA_: check the irclogs for this channel22:03
pwnguinfrom like yesterday22:03
_MMA_You know the crackheads in here.22:03
_MMA_Last mention of "splashy" I have in here is from April.22:04
pwnguinthats why we have irclogs.ubuntu.com ;)22:05
_MMA_So... link?22:05
zerwasi just read it here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=477426&page=2422:05
_MMA_And it better be from someone with a shred of credibility.22:06
pwnguinhttp://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/07/25/%23ubuntu-artwork.html22:06
zerwassorry, i was busy making tea22:06
_MMA_pwnguin: Ahh... Nice. New modsetting options.22:09
_MMA_Cool.22:09
pwnguineventually22:10
zerwasi also asked about intrepid+splashy-by-default in #ubuntu+1 and got: "RAOF Does splashy now do the things that it didn't do when we first chose to write usplash? (Such as work on !IA32, not break resume-from-suspend, etc)"22:10
pwnguinheh22:10
pwnguinnow those are valid reasons22:10
pwnguinand i kinda wish there was a good way to document these sorts of blockers22:11
_MMA_Yep. All valid reasons. But you can bet if RH is paying someone to do it it gonna work out for everyone.22:12
zerwasThe question is if it will be finished til feature freeze for intrepid22:14
pwnguin_MMA_: packagekit is done by a redhat hire...22:15
_MMA_zerwas: Who's that question for? If it's not, it's not. Simple. Usplash 'till Splashy is ready. Simple.22:16
pwnguin_MMA_: well, if you want to write a boot theme for intrepid it matters22:16
pwnguinif you want to write a boot theme for splashy, maybe not22:17
_MMA_Ok. I just see it as an odd question. For the general public, sure. It's a bummer. For Ubuntu... oh well. :)22:18
pwnguinwell, i think you have that backwards22:18
pwnguinthe general public, who cares22:18
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pwnguinfor the guy writing a theme he wants to see in ubuntu and get recognition for, its important22:18
_MMA_Thats the general public.22:19
_MMA_There's only 2 people "the guy".22:19
_MMA_Mark and Ken.22:19
pwnguinwhat?22:19
_MMA_*people who can be..22:19
pwnguinmaybe I misunderstood something fundamental to the artwork team22:20
pwnguinMark and Ken are Ubuntu and the rest of us can deal?22:21
_MMA_As far as the art goes, yes. To a degree. Since they are ultimately the ones who decide what's default.22:22
pwnguincuz if that's how it is, i got other stuff I can do; patch up cellwriter or file some wacom bugs with upstream22:22
pwnguinsure, they're the vote on default, but they can't make splashy work by sheer force of will22:23
pwnguinanyways, this is coming down to silly semantics22:24
_MMA_No. Im saying if its not ready for intrepid, they aren't sweating it.22:24
_MMA_Whereas the "general public" will be pissed its not in Intrepid.22:24
pwnguinyour false dictomy of "general public" versus "ubuntu" needs a third category22:24
_MMA_For you it might.22:25
_MMA_If something simply isnt ready, nobody who has power to put things in by default is losing sleep.22:26
zerwasdon't forget that mark just has said how really important the look of ubuntu is and the task is now to even beat apples art22:27
_MMA_And whether Spashy is ready for default is the issue. If its not, it's unimportant to Mark and Ken.22:27
pwnguinI doubt that; if some genius decides to write an awesome splashy theme, having to veto it because awesome hardware support trumps awesome art will be a tough choice22:28
_MMA_hahahaha Don't get me started on that. :P22:28
* DanaG can't even get native-resolution framebuffer.22:28
DanaGHow do you tell usplash to use the fake-widescreen theme instead of the 4:3 theme?22:28
_MMA_pwnguin: A genius themer can do all they want. If the underlying tech isnt ready, it matters not.22:29
DanaGIf my framebuffer is 1024x768 stretched to widescreen.... it makes circular things non-circular.22:29
_MMA_DanaG: AFAIK it won't support anything but 4:3 atm.22:29
pwnguingranted, compiz was pressed into service a bit early22:29
* _MMA_ agrees.22:29
DanaGI know, but there are pre-squished fake-widescreen usplash themes...22:30
pwnguinbut i thought we had safeguards in place to make sure compiz didn't break things that used to work?22:30
DanaGand I just don't know how to force usplash to use them.22:30
_MMA_DanaG: Lemmie see if I can find something for you. 1 sec.22:31
_MMA_http://www.getdeb.net/app.php?name=usplash-switcher22:31
DanaGI've currently set usplash.conf for 1024x853, which is 1024 * (4/3 ) / (16/10)22:31
_MMA_It's on GetDeb but the original Usplash creator wrote that tool.22:32
DanaGWell, the issue is, it's not a different .so file; it's a different resolution part in the same .so theme.22:34
_MMA_DanaG: Searching the art list should also show you the manual commands that the app invokes.22:34
_MMA_Well what is the resolution you're trying to use?22:35
_MMA_Your FB also has to support it.22:35
_MMA_Mine wont do over 1024x768 vga=79222:35
DanaGThe point is this: native res is widescreen (1440x900), but the highest res VESA mode is 1024x768.... and I can't turn off stretching.22:36
DanaGSo, I need to force usplash to anti-stretch the thing, so it'll look correct when stretched.22:36
_MMA_I dont think that's possible unless you edit the source theme and recompile.22:37
DanaGThe only true widescreen framebuffer mode I have.... is 640x400.22:37
_MMA_There was talk of making usplash-theme-ubuntu-widescreen packages to get around all this crazyness.22:37
_MMA_But even that would be a manual thing after install.22:38
DanaGSame with my math hack.22:38
DanaGPre-stretch it vertically so it looks correct when stretched horizontally.22:38
* DanaG hopes ATI 3-series cards will support native-res framebuffer... either through VBE modes, or through radeonfb.22:39
_MMA_Later people. Time for the fam.22:45

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